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Amiga computer related discussion => General chat about Amiga topics => Topic started by: Delta on October 21, 2011, 10:59:07 PM
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Since we know the X1000 is over US$2600, are you still planning to buy it or look for another solution such as...
As for myself, the SAM460 is a much more realistic choice since I don't see what the X1000 can do that any NG Amiga can't(!)
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i go for a 460ex complete system ;-)
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I already have a nice uA1 (Micro AmigaOne)
It does the job for me with regards to OS4.1 and since I already spent enough money to get OS4.1 Classic running on my A1200T I won't be investing further on this platform.
However it's great these machines are being produced :)
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I am currently looking for a Powerbook to run MorphOS on it.
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Knowing that it's going to cost even more than it sounded like it was going to cost, I think I'll continue with my plan of not buying it, thanks. Instead, perhaps I'll give MorphOS a spin and see how I like it on the refurbished PowerBook G4 I got as a trade-in for some recycle-center rescues (which I paid approximately 1% the cost of an X1000 for.)
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My options are not listed.
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I know, I forgot the Waffles ;)
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2 words...
Lottery Tickets
desiv
p.s. I play for investment purposes only...
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I did nearly exactly what I said I'd do when I heard the price announcement of the X1000: Bought a MacMini and played around with MorphOS a bit and then eventually got a nice new iMac - which I just treated myself to. :)
For hobbyist OS's, it's classic Amiga/TI/TRS-80/C64 or bust from here on out. Sorry, but no longer have the time, desire or patience for modern experimental stuff. Certainly glad the Amiga-like OS's exist, but it's just not for me anymore. Oh and in case you're wondering, Tiger's back on the Mini. ;)
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I know, I forgot the Waffles ;)
Well that and...
Stick with my Classic Amigas as nothing seems capable of replacing them 100%.
Continue to use and love my experience with MorphOS (a fast as hell Amiga compatible environment, not emulator).
Hope for Natami or some high speed FPGA solution to arrive.
Dabble with AROS till it matures.
Use Amithlon.
Continue to give WinUAE the finger.
Continue to wonder why non-Windows based Amiga emulators continue to get no love.
Hold out on OS 4 till it is released for Powerful modern hardware that is priced decently so all can afford and enjoy.
Oh and continue to use my Atari 8-bits as well. ;)
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@XDelusion: The most positive thing I see about your post is that you will not be a bored user whatever system you choose :)
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I bought a Sam 460, and I'll had the idea of buy a X1000 but for 1500 euros but 2000 none, it is much money, with this money you can buy a MAC and it has more software.
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@XDelusion: The most positive thing I see about your post is that you will not be a bored user whatever system you choose :)
You bet ya! Positive indeed!
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I'll keep my Pegasos II which fullfills my OS4.x needs perfectly.. I even run MorphOS 2.7 on it and plan to run MorphOS 3.0 on it as well..
I'd love a Powerbook to get MorphOS mobility... and will keep praying for a new HW platform capable to run OS4.2+ and beyond priced accordingly... with full support of the underlying OS of course (X1000 no ethernet nor sound support on release?! c'mon!)...
Cheers,
Dragster
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oops... owb double post.. sorry
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Already bought the SAM460EX complete system!
SAM460EX in new Silverstone case (http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=34429&forum=33&9)
Tiger's back on the Mini. ;)
I'm gonna do the same thing to my 1.25MHz Mac Mini! :)
The 1.5GHz Minis are OK with Leopard and another 1.5GHz has MorphOS & Leopard.
Continue to give WinUAE the finger.
Continue to wonder why non-Windows based Amiga emulators continue to get no love.
My thoughts exactly brother! :)
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I allready ordered my Amiga X500 from Acube.
x1000 to expensive for me.
just got lucky to buy me a X500 (flex460ex)
whole system and my first Amiga One product
never had a change to buy one.
for my collection of clasic amigas now the NG besides mac mini with Mos 2.7
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I would buy one if I could afford it.
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The Amigaone G3 in my signature is plenty enough power for OS4 for me. I got it for $300 USD. I got the G4 Mac for MorphOS for free so I'm good there. I'm mean how much better is Octamed/OWB/MilkyTracker going to run on a X1000 then it does on my G3?. I guess I'm not the target audience.
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Nothing really changes for me here, I didnt plan on buying one anyway, but no option is quite right for me either. If there was one for me it'd be something like:
Keep hopeing for better value OS4 hardware before I jump onboard.
Until then Im content with my a1200, amithlon and MOS.
I am actually willing to spend a little more on OS4 gear if I have to than any of the others, but as things stand for me the difference is too great.
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Think I'll stick to my A3k and WinUAE. I rarely use either these days for the occasional game or ImageFX. Hopefully a good used Mac will come by and I might give MorphOS a try since its relatively afordable.
I got severe sticker shock when saw the price. I almost thought it was an April fools joke.
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I'll go sit and cry in a dark corner.
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I'll go sit and cry in a dark corner.
Cheer up little guy, there's still hope! :)
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Hello FPGAs - my next dollars will be spent on FPGA Replay or Natami. Even if I had loads of money, or finish the tunnel to the bank; I would not know what to do with such a thing, it's really for uber computer scientists - not consumer / hobbyists.
:drink:
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I'm going to wait a little longer and see what happens with the drivers for the X1000. If the situation isn't resolved soon then I'll probably go with an AmigaOne500.
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It just helps me realise that AROS is the way to go.
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Well that and...
Stick with my Classic Amigas as nothing seems capable of replacing them 100%.
Continue to use and love my experience with MorphOS (a fast as hell Amiga compatible environment, not emulator).
Hope for Natami or some high speed FPGA solution to arrive.
Dabble with AROS till it matures.
Use Amithlon.
Continue to give WinUAE the finger.
Continue to wonder why non-Windows based Amiga emulators continue to get no love.
Hold out on OS 4 till it is released for Powerful modern hardware that is priced decently so all can afford and enjoy.
Oh and continue to use my Atari 8-bits as well. ;)
What he said :) minus the Atari garbage :P
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Since we know the X1000 is over US$2600, are you still planning to buy it or look for another solution such as...
As for myself, the SAM460 is a much more realistic choice since I don't see what the X1000 can do that any NG Amiga can't(!)
I'll be purchasing a Natami and FPGA arcade... don't see that option on the poll.
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At EUR €1,000 a system of this level is too expensive. EUR €1,500 is *way* over the top. At EUR €2,500 its just plain ridiculous...
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My options are not listed.
Yeah, where's the point&laugh-option? :-D
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i'm already a morphos/aros user.
but i read the poll and i think that a 14% of people saying it'll buy an x1000 is a very good result for it.
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Watch what you do !. When your desperate for cash I will pounce! Grrrrh! ;)
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My options are not listed.
+1
I'll stay with my old AMIGA and will buy X1000 at $500/$800, not more.
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FPGA options are not listed.
Natami and Arcade are the way to go for a lot of people, including me.
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Call me stupid but I would rather sell one hundred X1000s at 1000EUR each than ten X1000s at 2500EUR each. Nevertheless, it would be cool if we had an expandable and powerful X2000 workstation alongside a cheaper X500 machine as we had A500 and A2000 (or even better, A1200 and A4000) two decades ago. And yes, the Sam460 should cost 300EUR with a complete system at 500EUR _including_ AmigaOS4. Oh well ....
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dpgdmamdgdm
WinUAE is where it's at these days. If only there was a way to boot into a WinUAE environment from a Live CD or something bypassing Windows.
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Originally Posted by FaLLeNOnE (http://www.amiga.org/forums/web/buttons/viewpost.gif) (http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?p=664519#post664519)
I'll go sit and cry in a dark corner
Only amiga makes it possible!
2600$ for a machine with dual core, but you can only use one core, and no internet or sound? Thats retarded, even by amiga standards.
Steven
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Tension,
While you don't get "rid" of Windows, I've been extremely happy with the slipstream XP method. Boots right into WB, no muss no fuss. After configuration as per the guide you can opt to never see Windows again.
http://wowohl.de/Amiga_XP_x86.pdf
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@Templario
I bought a Sam 460, and I'll had the idea of buy a X1000 but for 1500 euros but 2000 none, it is much money, with this money you can buy a MAC and it has more software.
Unfortunately
I must agree to your post here, My uncles Mac (christmas 2010) cost us $2800 in the end, even though its on x86 architecture, and in comparison to the x1000, well, the Mac would currently win hands down in software demand.
But the Amiga OS is growing, getting better, and eventually I am expecting to see a web browser capable of doing everything a real modern brwoser should.
HAha, and that is just the most important tool needed. Imagine if we started talking about software.......comparisons.
Overall, I am uncertain of my choice, as in the PDF of A-EON it stated that varysis had plans on bigger and better systems for us in future, if this is the case, would that not mean that something of notable power comes onto the market for AOS?
Example, 460 is already 1.15, ok x1000 is 1.8 dual core, but the AOS is not going to be using the dual core at immediate release. Not sure...............
Nope still not sure, consistantly wanting x1000, but trying to work out why the cost is so high when theyve used a CPU thats been out for a long time..............dont know what to make of it.
My answer atm would be this, still possible I buy one for myself also sure, but when is the question.
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Well its pricey, not too shocked about that, I'm more worried about it being
rushed to market slightly, I get the thinking behind it to get it to users hands for Christmas and money to develop the OS forward for Os4.2 which I guess will support all the X1000 features natively and I guess that's at best a few more months away, and I suppose they didn't want another Summer to past by without the new Amiga showing up, that would of made the Trolls way to happy!
So will I be getting one, I think what comes out of Amiwest will be the deciding factor and what the actually end cost is, as I can afford £1699 but that's not the final cost with OS, taxs, shipping etc I think it will pass £2,000 mark which is my upper limit (at the moment). So I need to really have a good think about what I want to do and weather its worth it, I know I could get a bad ass Sam460 set up with this much money with all the apps I want, as I was hoping to maybe buy a few for Os4, like Hollywood and AMC. But its all good news, and excellent work all round to all involved and I really hope its a success.
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My moves:
Stay where I am, using MorphOS and enjoying it.
Giving a try to AROS as soon as I can.
Buy something for my retro-passion when I'll be able.
Hoping for Natami, too.
Playing with C64 =)
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dpgdmamdgdm
WinUAE is where it's at these days. If only there was a way to boot into a WinUAE environment from a Live CD or something bypassing Windows.
perhaps it would work in BartPE.
yes, its still windows, but can be run from LiveCD or, even better, LiveUSB.
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This is wrong forum to ask that kind of question. Most of Os4 users and those who has interest to it has left this site already.
Some hostile MorphOs users has made them do that decision.
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I will buy two, one for use and another for collection purpose. YES I COULD BUY A 500 EURO PC MORE POWERFUL TODAY BUT THIS PC WILL COST 20 EURO FOR SELL TOMORROW!!!!
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@all
Although I would love to have one, I winced when I saw the price. A big factor for me would be whether I could sell my micro A1 to move up to the X1000. Perhaps that option should be added to the poll. Anyone care to guess what a 512MB slightly used micro is worth these days?
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Call me stupid but I would rather sell one hundred X1000s at 1000EUR each than ten X1000s at 2500EUR each. Nevertheless, it would be cool if we had an expandable and powerful X2000 workstation alongside a cheaper X500 machine as we had A500 and A2000 (or even better, A1200 and A4000) two decades ago. And yes, the Sam460 should cost 300EUR with a complete system at 500EUR _including_ AmigaOS4. Oh well ....
You would have to be stupid are else extremely rich as you would be selling at a big loss. The AmigaOne X1000 and Sam are manufactured in low volumes in England and Italy, so will always be pricy compared to Dell's, Apple etc which are built by the millions in China.
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How to make a small fortune in AmigaOS.
1) Start with a large fortune.
We lose money on every sale but we make it up on volume...
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Buy one at 2600 dollars? Of course not.
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I voted stick with my classic/ng amiga. What I really meant was that as well as use MorphOS on my PowerMac G4 and AROS also. Not to mention upgrading my classic to a NatAmi when I get the money to do so.
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Buy one at 2600 dollars? Of course not.
Don't forget the (discounted) upgrades:
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:HlgDnGTByJoJ:amigakit.leamancomputing.com/catalog/CAD.php%3Furl%3Dproduct_info.php%3Fproducts_id%3D703+&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us
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I voted stick with my classic/ng amiga. What I really meant was that as well as use MorphOS on my PowerMac G4 and AROS also. Not to mention upgrading my classic to a NatAmi when I get the money to do so.
+1
Or a Replay board instead of the Natami.
And in December, MorphOS 3.0 on a Powerbook.
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How to make a small fortune in AmigaOS.
1) Start with a large fortune.
:roflmao::roflmao::roflmao:
Oh, I probably shouldn't have laughed at that, but...
desiv
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$2600 ? is this:
a) a joke ?
b) confirmed ? link please
either way... madness... not me, not even for half of that
Tom UK
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I think...
...if a ton of coders jumped on board to support this hardware, I'd be willing to go as far as $1,600 for one of these, though I was hoping it would be more like $1,300.
That of course would mean that the hardware would be 110%. Great 3D drivers, hi-speed on-line drivers, software that showed off what the programmable CPU could do, and more than anything, GREAT backwards compatibility! I think if this programmable CPU is anything like FPGA technology, that that might be possible. That would make it an Amiga, not having to use some sub-standard port of UAE, which btw is light years behind WinUAE.
Give me that, and at that price range, and I'm on bored!
In the mean time, it does not offer me ANYTHING that my classic Amiga(s) and MorphOS machine do not offer.
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Still sitting on my hard earned cash and waitin' for NATAMI project to become consumers reality. X1000 isn't any continum IMHO of what C= left for us Amigans. But again who am I to judge. I respect their (Hyperion) doings in NG field, but this isn't my "cup of tea". Thank you.
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i voted ill stick with my classic amigas, though will run aros eventually on them.
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Tension,
While you don't get "rid" of Windows, I've been extremely happy with the slipstream XP method. Boots right into WB, no muss no fuss. After configuration as per the guide you can opt to never see Windows again.
http://wowohl.de/Amiga_XP_x86.pdf
But it still suffers from all the problems of Windows. Just because you are running WinUAE does not mean you are not getting hacked over the network cable or get a corrupt 2 byte file in the registry that stops it booting :)
As far as MOS or OS4 goes....I'll wait until someone writes a PPC G4/G5 emulator core and then lets me run either of those systems via some sort of OS4 emulator :) I have no interest in running OS4/MOS on hardware that is worthless to 99% of the world of computer users in reality.
The price of the x1000 is not the only problem, none of these Next Gen 'Amiga' solutions will actually replace a REAL Amiga than a PC running WinUAE at all, and what am I supposed to do with my 300+ original Amiga games.....exchange them for cracktros from Planetemu.net? No thanks :)
As long as you are not retarded enough to buy Amiga Forever (you are entitled legally to use downloaded roms if you own that version of Kickstart in an A500/A1200/CD32 FACT) then WinUAE OR a REAL Amiga is the only options AFAIC
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Still sitting on my hard earned cash and waitin' for NATAMI project to become consumers reality. X1000 isn't any continum IMHO of what C= left for us Amigans. But again who am I to judge. I respect their (Hyperion) doings in NG field, but this isn't my "cup of tea". Thank you.
Interesting. The problem is a hypothetical 'modern Amiga' is such a leap from what we had to what is possible on current CPUs like 6 core AMD Phenom etc it's like going from a wooden sailing boat called enterprise to a galaxy class star ship called Enterprise ;)
It's been so long since a real Amiga was made (1994) that really, in reality, there will never be a modern Amiga because too much time has now passed to actually create a genuine Amiga setup on level playing field with OS X/Win7 machines for daily use (let alone a superior system which is what the A1000 was in 1985 to EVERYTHING and in EVERY WAY ;) )
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As far as MOS or OS4 goes....I'll wait until someone writes a PPC G4/G5 emulator core and then lets me run either of those systems via some sort of OS4 emulator :)
There are PowerPC emulators out there. I believe QEMU emulates the full G4 instruction set (can't recall if it supports G5 or not,) but it doesn't emulate any OS4 custom hardware, and anyway QEMU's performance is lackluster in my experience. SheepShaver emulates PPC Macs, but I don't know if it goes up to any of the G4s, or if it emulates things well enough for MorphOS to run.
It's been so long since a real Amiga was made (1994) that really, in reality, there will never be a modern Amiga because too much time has now passed to actually create a genuine Amiga setup on level playing field with OS X/Win7 machines for daily use (let alone a superior system which is what the A1000 was in 1985 to EVERYTHING and in EVERY WAY ;) )
Oh, that's a load of crap. OSX and Windows 7 aren't powered by fairy magic imported from the distant future, they're just newer, more solid implementations of old technology. Hell, OSX's kernel is based on CMU's Mach project, which is as old as the Amiga itself!
Amiga-like OSes can be hampered by how much they want to retain compatibility with legacy Amiga software and its API, but so were Windows 95 and Mac OS (in fact, later versions of Mac OS suffered from some of the same problems Amiga updates have to deal with, stemming from both systems' decision to rely on a lack of memory protection that hampered things later when MMUs were common and could have helped stability.) Mac OS solved that issue by ditching the existing system entirely and relegating it to a whole OS instance running in emulation for classic applications, not too different from some Amiga approaches. None of this stuff is magic, it's just one set of workable solutions to a common set of problems.
And no, a modern Amiga attempt probably isn't going to be the absolute best thing on the market, because it's a whole different market now than it was in 1985. If we focused less on keeping up with the Joneses than simply trying to make something that's good on its own merits, we might have more systems worth using and fewer $3000 paperweights that underperform $500 used Macs.
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£1700 for a system that runs outdated hardware?
What exactly is the strategy for these systems? What are they supposed to do? Who do they expect to buy them?
As much as I'd like to have something with the Amiga name and OS again, I can't help but feel that dumping that amount on a system who's future or support is extremely shaky at the best of times is a silly idea.
Think Apple's made it quite clear that the only way to make a dent in the PC market is to make a machine that's shiny, and even then you need a hell of a lot of other shiny products to bolster company funds.
Consumer wise, there is one strength Amiga/AmigaOS can play to and that's it's almost instant on, even from cold. That and the OS itself can be quite tiny, which would be a blessing for smartphones. You can't help but feel the owners of the rights to AmigaOS missed a trick there.
Sorry if I'm wide of the mark. I don't keep up much with the goings on with Amiga these days. Plus a lot up there ^^^ is rambling. :lol:
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I have been using MorphOS since 2004 and will continue. X1000 price is completely irrelevant, because even if the hardware was worth its price, the software running on it is lagging behind.
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Waiting.........
Maybe they'll come down....
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£1700 for a system that runs outdated hardware?
What exactly is the strategy for these systems? What are they supposed to do?
They're supposed to be like the original Amiga was, with custom hardware in this case represented by the presence of an XMOS chip and a deliberately b0rked PCI-e bus. The multicore processor I guess was intended to stand in for the preemptive multitasking ability of the original Amiga. Only problem is, none of that is used on the X1000. The strategy failed, so now it's just a somewhat faster board to run OS4.
Who do they expect to buy them?
It's laid out in the original copy from the A-eon website: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ayPOZfxNzg8
From the transcription:
"we're aiming at the high-end first, with a powerful desktop computer aimed at the professional and serious hobbyist markets"
In a later version of the website, but prior to the one now, regarding the XMOS chip: "Scientific users take note!"
The strategy would have made more sense if it wasn't a flop.
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Hmm... yes, I think I'm going to throw my 2000€ expanded A4000T out the window and join the group of 5 X1000 owners instead. Makes sense. Not.
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My old Amiga models still do what I want/need. When I need to render something faster, winAUE fills the bill.
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I'll get one if DoomMaster buys me one. ;) I'd rather use that money to build a new I7 box for rendering in Maya. Maybe I'll buy a powerbook for MorphOS or that Netbook for OS4, when it arrives.
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Since we know the X1000 is over US$2600, are you still planning to buy it or look for another solution such as...
I wasn't planning to buy a desktop/tower, so my plan continues to be to NOT buy the X1000. Put a similar performance/features OS4 kit into a proper laptop then I'll be trying very hard to buy it.
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deliberately b0rked PCI-e bus.
Huh?
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For me its got to be amiga x 1000 for one i want support the man behind it
and i like the machine design the sam boards are good too but just my choice
and as soon as i can i will be doing so
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Huh?
Sorry, I meant PCI-e *slot*, aka Xorro. You can't put a real PCI-e card into it and have it work.
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I'll use my MorphOS machines and my classics.
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Sorry, I meant PCI-e *slot*, aka Xorro. You can't put a real PCI-e card into it and have it work.
I was under the impression that the Xorro slot was behind and in-line with a x1 PCI-Express slot, so you can ignore Xorro and plug in a standard x1 PCI-Express card. There's nothing b0rked about it being a PCI-Express slot.
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Sorry, I meant PCI-e *slot*, aka Xorro. You can't put a real PCI-e card into it and have it work.
You couldn't plug an ISA card into a Zorro slot on a real Amiga and expect it to work either so what's your point? ;-)
The only borked thing I see is that there is only one of them. There should be four. :-)
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There are PowerPC emulators out there. I believe QEMU emulates the full G4 instruction set (can't recall if it supports G5 or not,) but it doesn't emulate any OS4 custom hardware
What OS4 custom hardware? Taking my A1 as an example, apart from the CPU, nothing much else I can see is custom. It's all made out of standard PC parts! I don't see the problem here. UBoot is downloadable and ACiube even offer the source on their server!
I'm surprised no one has made an A1 emulator yet. Compared to the complex original Amiga, which has been emulated for years, an A1 is easy! You got no custom chips to think about. Either those coders are lazy, or they think it's too hard and don't bother. Hey, my A1 can emulate a Mac in Linux, so there's no reason why a PC couldn't emulate an A1.
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i want support the man behind it
looks like the man desperately needs your support, since he was able to pull the funds for such an effort all by himself. i would also sponsor the banks furtherly paying them all money i can earn, and supply the middle west and norway with free oil.
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I was under the impression that the Xorro slot was behind and in-line with a x1 PCI-Express slot, so you can ignore Xorro and plug in a standard x1 PCI-Express card. There's nothing b0rked about it being a PCI-Express slot.
funny thing is: there is a slot but there is no cards for it. not even mentioned, not even announced (we are good at it, right?) not even questions asked. and even more funny is that the slot is standard form factor that can easily be confused with another widely used standard. so what happens if a dumbnut puts a pcie card into that slot? does warranty covers that, i wonder?
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and even more funny is that the slot is standard form factor that can easily be confused with another widely used standard. so what happens if a dumbnut puts a pcie card into that slot? does warranty covers that, i wonder?
I was under the impression that, while the slot is physically the same, it's aligned differently so you can't put a standard PCI-e card in the slot and have it match up with the backplane, and there's a PCI-e x1 slot in front of it. So, only a PCI-e 1x card will fit, and if you fit one of them it will work as expected, but will block use of the Xorro slot. No damage done. Similar to the ISA and Zorro slot layout on big-box Amigas... That's how it looked in the board layout pics that were floating around a while back anyway.
Edit: I see you don't take billt's word for it, so you probably wouldn't take mine either so. Far too easy to jump on the bandwagon. Anyway, here's a pic of the top of the PCB. (http://www.a-eon.com/pics/nemo2_top.jpg) You can more easily see there how it's laid out to avoid just that confusion, and to allow the use of PCI-e x1 in that slot.
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I was under the impression that, while the slot is physically the same, it's aligned differently so you can't put a standard PCI-e card in the slot and have it match up with the backplane, and there's a PCI-e x1 slot in front of it. So, only a PCI-e 1x card will fit, and if you fit one of them it will work as expected, but will block use of the Xorro slot. No damage done. Similar to the ISA and Zorro slot layout on big-box Amigas... That's how it looked in the board layout pics that were floating around a while back anyway.
Edit: I see you don't take billt's word for it, so you probably wouldn't take mine either so. Far too easy to jump on the bandwagon. Anyway, here's a pic of the top of the PCB. (http://www.a-eon.com/pics/nemo2_top.jpg) You can more easily see there how it's laid out to avoid just that confusion, and to allow the use of PCI-e x1 in that slot.
With XMOS driving the card it isn't going to do much.
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With XMOS driving the card it isn't going to do much.
*sigh* I'll bite once more. Maybe you haven't bothered looking at the pictures yourself (I'm sure it's much more fun for you to just go on hearsay), but the PCIe x1 board won't go into the Xorro slot, and so would have nothing to do with the XMOS. The "Xorro" slot is physically the same as a PCIe x8 slot, but is mounted further in on the board, behind the PCIe x1 slot. That means the position can only be used by either a PCIe x1 card (and will be used as such) *or* whatever weird contraption someone might come up with for the Xorro slot. A PCIe card will not fit the Xorro slot without breaking bits off it. And a Xorro card won't fit any PCIe slot either for the same reason.
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*sigh* I'll bite once more. Maybe you haven't bothered looking at the pictures yourself (I'm sure it's much more fun for you to just go on hearsay), but the PCIe x1 board won't go into the Xorro slot, and so would have nothing to do with the XMOS. The "Xorro" slot is physically the same as a PCIe x8 slot, but is mounted further in on the board, behind the PCIe x1 slot. That means the position can only be used by either a PCIe x1 card (and will be used as such) *or* whatever weird contraption someone might come up with for the Xorro slot. A PCIe card will not fit the Xorro slot without breaking bits off it. And a Xorro card won't fit any PCIe slot either for the same reason.
Okay, point taken, I see what you mean. You would end up having to bust off a bit of the connecting edge to plug in a PCIex8 card, and I'd be willing to bet we will see a few examples of this sometime next year! Also this doesn't change my opinion that it's a deliberately broken PCIe slot, just that I see it's broken physically as well as functionally.
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and I'd be willing to bet we will see a few examples of this sometime next year!
LOL, probably. There's only so much anyone can do to prevent these things. From working in a computer parts shop in the past you'd be amazed what I've seen people do with seemingly foolproof cards. I mean, people cutting voltage grooves in AGP cards and the like, and then wondering why they banjaxed their boards! Make it idiot-proof and God will provide a better idiot...
Also this doesn't change my opinion that it's a deliberately broken PCIe slot, just that I see it's broken physically as well as functionally.
That's fair enough, but it's like calling an Amiga joystick port a broken serial port... Maybe it's easier just to think of it as some bizarre custom interface which happens to use an industry standard connector.