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Amiga News and Community Announcements => Amiga News and Community Announcements => Topic started by: SysAdmin on October 17, 2011, 03:41:46 AM
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Several months back Amiga.org had continuous slowdown issues so we upgraded to a robust high bandwidth hosting plan to give all members a smooth as silk responsive site. Now we are running a special on limited number of lifetime premium memberships to help share in the hosting charges.
It's a great deal for members because you get a lifetime membership to the site with all that brings for only a one time fee of $30. Normally one year memberships are $20. So please enjoy the site and if you can become a lifetime member and no longer worry about renewals and help keep Amiga.org on net.
To become a lifetime member just click "Feed the kitty" on the lower right. Then pick custom amount and input $30. You're membership will then be upgraded to lifetime status with 24 hours or less. Thanks again for the help.
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Several months back Amiga.org had continuous slowdown issues so we upgraded to a robust high bandwidth hosting plan to give all members a smooth as silk responsive site. Now we are running a special on limited number of lifetime premium memberships to help share in the hosting charges.
It's a great deal for members because you get a lifetime membership to the site with all that brings for only a one time fee of $30. Normally one year memberships are $20. So please enjoy the site and if you can become a lifetime member and no longer worry about renewals and help keep Amiga.org on net.
To become a lifetime member just click "Feed the kitty" on the lower right. Then pick custom amount and input $30. You're membership will then be upgraded to lifetime status with 24 hours or less. Thanks again for the help.
Ok I will ask since no one else has.............
* What do you get for a yearly membership and what do you get for lifetime membership, against what do you get if your just hang around and pay $5 or just like me, that Ive just been here awhile ?
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Well I've paid the $30.00 and now got a warm glow inside. Discreet FX is the owner of the site?
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I just renewed my yearly membership, can I upgrade by just paying the difference? 8-)
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Excellent idea. I will do this asap. Looking back at the amount of help I got from this forum, its well worth the cash.
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How about the site owners paying the members that provide all the help to people?
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How about the site owners paying the members that provide all the help to people?
;)
Depending of my financial state, I may consider the lifetime offer tommorrow.
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I would rather keep paying a yearly amount as this will help to fund the site longer
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I just renewed my yearly membership, can I upgrade by just paying the difference? 8-)
Yes
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I would rather keep paying a yearly amount as this will help to fund the site longer
I doubt it. As soon as all the money that can be extracted from people has been collected it's Spanish Lesbian time for this place.
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I doubt it. As soon as all the money that can be extracted from people has been collected it's Spanish Lesbian time for this place.
Hudson may be right.
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Didn't take long for amiga.org to ask for more money.
You must have an entire rack, judging by how much your hosting seems to cost!
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Ok I will ask since no one else has.............
* What do you get for a yearly membership and what do you get for lifetime membership, against what do you get if your just hang around and pay $5 or just like me, that Ive just been here awhile ?
Somebody (who exactly?) coughed up some $10,000 for buying this site quite easily, but is now asking for *change money* for the server space? I don't understand. Or was the idea to make this some kind of pay-service, to make it a *business* out of it? It won't work. Different levels of paid memberships, etc, yada, yada -- I'll tell you what: I have *already* been a member of this site during *the site's* whole lifetime (almost)! I understand why Wayne would ask for contributions to "the kitty" back then, but I must say the current site owner *does not* come through as some poor dude in need of charity, heck, I don't even have a clear picture who the guy is. And speaking of that, I feel there has been *many other question marks* rising surrounding amiga.org lately. To sum it up - I don't know For What I should pay, I don't know To Whom, and I don't really know Why, I simply don't get your "selling point", so I'll guess I'll pass, sorry...
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I was considering it but then I remembered how some mod banned me only a week or so ago for expressing a sincerely held opinion. So I won't bother. Your loss.
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Somebody (who exactly?) coughed up some $10,000 for buying this site quite easily, but is now asking for *change money* for the server space? I don't understand. Or was the idea to make this some kind of pay-service, to make it a *business* out of it? It won't work. Different levels of paid memberships, etc, yada, yada -- I'll tell you what: I have *already* been a member of this site during *the site's* whole lifetime (almost)! I understand why Wayne would ask for contributions to "the kitty" back then, but I must say the current site owner *does not* come through as some poor dude in need of charity, heck, I don't even have a clear picture who the guy is. And speaking of that, I feel there has been *many other question marks* rising surrounding amiga.org lately. To sum it up - I don't know For What I should pay, I don't know To Whom, and I don't really know Why, I simply don't get your "selling point", so I'll guess I'll pass, sorry...
The paid memerbship came in when Wayne was still running things though thats why I been paying a yearaly sub, was originally to support Wayne and the site. When you put it like that.......
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Pretty short-sighted request in my opinion, or perhaps a sign of a site going belly up. If you're having trouble paying the hosting bill, how will getting a chunk of your loyal membership to pay now for "lifetime memberships" help you going forward?
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Well if TakeMeHomeGrandma is against it then I'm all for it. I've just donated $30.
Honestly, this site is more "alternative Amiga sysytems" friendly than other sites, and I don't care if Bill Gates himself owns the site, if I'm using it then I'm willing to pay for it.
I know some people base their lives on getting "something for nothing", but Amiga hareware prices don't fit in with that attitude. :D
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Honestly, this site is more "alternative Amiga sysytems" friendly than other sites, and I don't care if Bill Gates himself owns the site, if I'm using it then I'm willing to pay for it.
...and this is the reason why I'm visiting the site less frequently than before. All this C=USA stupidity makes my blood boil, so I decided it's best for my health to stay away.
But, as you see, I pop in every now and then anyways. Just checking the temperature before running out the door again. ;)
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...and this is the reason why I'm visiting the site less frequently than before. All this C=USA stupidity makes my blood boil, so I decided it's best for my health to stay away.
But, as you see, I pop in every now and then anyways. Just checking the temperature before running out the door again. ;)
LOL.
However we haven't had C=USA posting any of their stupidity for a couple of weeks now, so everything has been rosey. FPGA Arcade production run about to shoot out the door, AROS builds coming all of the time, X500 (or 500X... whatever it is called) bundle launched, MOS update... and we still have the X1000 and Natami to look forward to.
This place is the only place that seems to cover everything on the front page.
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I don't see anything wrong with the site owner making this offer.
Also, I don't understand why people who are unwilling to make the donation need to post their reasons not to.
It's a voluntary request, nobody is forced to pay. If you don't like this forum enough to donate then fine but no need to post negative comments about the form is there?
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...and this is the reason why I'm visiting the site less frequently than before. All this C=USA stupidity makes my blood boil, so I decided it's best for my health to stay away ;)
I haven't noticed any C=USA threads in quite a while.
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I don't see anything wrong with the site owner making this offer.
Also, I don't understand why people who are unwilling to make the donation need to post their reasons not to.
It's a voluntary request, nobody is forced to pay. If you don't like this forum enough to donate then fine but no need to post negative comments about the form is there?
It's a forum .. doh!
and it's something worth discussing. the site has adverts and donations already, it's hosted on shared hosting (not expensive). the amount donated by people is unknown. the cost of hosting is unknown. the revenue from adverts is unknown, and as a forum the value of the site is comprised of the contributions of the users.
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@buzz
Very small text Ads make less than $100 every six months. Premium Members see no ads whatsoever.
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@buzz
Very small text Ads make less than $100 every six months. Premium Members see no ads whatsoever.
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@buzz
Very small text Ads make less than $100 every six months. Premium Members see no ads whatsoever.
so ... how much is your hosting then? how much have you taken in donation and from membership fees?
Why are you not open about this, as you are asking for money fairly often, it might do well to be open about the costs and amounts you receive.
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Will our membership continue onto the Spanish Lesbians site?
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@buzz
Donations have not covered hosting expensives thus far but are most appreciated. Donations of course are voluntary and not required. The minority most vocal against donations have never donated even $1. Premium Membership comes with most donations and gives additional site benefits.
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@buzz
Donations have not covered hosting expensives thus far but are most appreciated. Donations of course are voluntary and not required. The minority most vocal against donations have never donated even $1. Premium Membership comes with most donations and gives additional site benefits.
I do not believe your memberships + donations + adverts do not cover hosting costs (you are on shared hosting!). perhaps you include your time as expenses too. without you being open about actual figures, we will never know.
Not everyone thinks the users of a site should be responsible for paying for it and constantly asked about giving donations. bearing in mind, it is the contributions from the users that actually give this site any value at all.
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@buzz
Very small text Ads make less than $100 every six months. Premium Members see no ads whatsoever.
You can make a very small null hosts file and you can do the same for free.
127.0.0.1 googleads.g.doubleclick.net
Say goodbye to embedded ads etc.
http://pgl.yoyo.org/adservers/
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I do not believe your memberships + donations + adverts do not cover hosting costs (you are on shared hosting!). perhaps you include your time as expenses too. without you being open about actual figures, we will never know.
Not everyone thinks the users of a site should be responsible for paying for it and constantly asked about giving donations. bearing in mind, it is the contributions from the users that actually give this site any value at all.
You're welcome to believe anything you like, it does not change the facts though. Amiga.org does have some great user contributions and members. We maintain the hub that allows this to take place.
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You're welcome to believe anything you like, it does not change the facts though. Amiga.org does have some great user contributions and members. We maintain the hub that allows this to take place.
The fact you avoid giving details about hosting costs and donations, doesn't make it easy to believe you. your hosting might cost as little as $15 a month. If I was to ask for donations for the sites I host I would at least publish the amount needed/received, so people get an honest picture, and it doesn't look like im just trying to make a few quid.
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@buzz
We invested considerable money in buying the site and maintaining it with a nice fast robust hosting plan. If we were just trying to make a few quid we are in the wrong business because that is not what happened. Donations to the site are always visible on the donations page. We acquired Amiga.org first and foremost to keep it available for the Amiga community because Wayne was considering shutting it down. We thought it was important to keep it available for the members that enjoy it and use it daily.
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@buzz
We invested considerable money in buying the site and maintaining it with a nice fast robust hosting plan. If we were just trying to make a few quid we are in the wrong business because that is not what happened. Donations to the site are always visible on the donations page.
You have asked for donations/subscriptions to help pay the hosting, not to regain your initial investment though. You still have not said how much your hosting is a month. Which donation page lists the donations btw? I missed that, but would be interested in having a look.
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The 'View donations' link is in the Quick Links menu. But only when you're [strike]on the donation page[/strike] not on the main page.
http://www.amiga.org/forums/misc.php?do=donlist
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I don't see any amounts on there, and I'm guessing it's just a list of names from those who didn't want to be anonymous. not quite the information I was after. According to that page the last money received was an unknown amount in April 2010.
I give up.
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(ok i found the amount now, does that include anonymous donations?) - im guessing it doesn't include donations of a certain amount (which are now subscriptions). anyway, fine, you need/want the money for whatever reason. I've made my point. As someone who hosts some sites myself, I manage to do it without asking visitors to pay my hosting.
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I don't see any amounts on there, and I'm guessing it's just a list of names from those who didn't want to be anonymous. not quite the information I was after. According to that page the last money received was an unknown amount in April 2010.
I give up.
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(ok i found the amount now, does that include anonymous donations?) - im guessing it doesn't include donations of a certain amount (which are now subscriptions). anyway, fine, you need/want the money for whatever reason. I've made my point. As someone who hosts some sites myself, I manage to do it without asking visitors to pay my hosting.
Don't let the door slam your ass on the way out mate.
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Somebody (who exactly?) coughed up some $10,000 for buying this site...
http://www.amiga.org/forums/showpost.php?p=651152&postcount=80
First letter of each sentence...
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http://www.amiga.org/forums/showpost.php?p=651152&postcount=80
First letter of each sentence...
hah nice. All that's missing is Tom Hanks and some dramatic music
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I plan to live a long time, even if I lower my expectations to the age of 71, a one-off payment of $30 translates to $1/year.
Now, let's say I agree that "lifetime" for me will mean 30 years.
If I don't fulfill my term by dying prematurely in say, 20 years...
Will my estate be refunded the unused portion of my subscription (i.e $10) ?
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I haven't noticed any C=USA threads in quite a while.
I would equate that to a certain person being banned for life and his little band of mindless followers have given up on starting, or perpetuating all the whining and moaning about C=USA all the time (thank god). Plus, things don't appear to be so rosy for C=USA on their own forums from the little I have read over there, so some of the blind followers of Barry's camp might be having second thoughts about the path they have been praising so much for the past 6 months or more and have slowed down at starting new forum threads, or news items.
We probably should not be discussing it, as it will wake the sleeping idiots on both sides and get them posting nonsense here again.
Back on topic: I object to people posting here telling others NOT to donate, or purchase any of the available subscriptions to support this site. I have been here for a long time (lurked here even longer before I became a member) and I would like to see it survive and get better over time. I don't expect the owner(s) to run it as a charity and I don't care if they make a profit from the donations. If you don't want to donate, fine, but don't talk others out of donating and jeopardize the future of the site.
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I don't believe I have told people not to donate, I have just questioned it from my own viewpoint. There is a big difference to me between "need money for hosting help!" and "Need money for beer!" requests - and the requests here are always for hosting, and I struggle to understand the difficulties here - it would be easier for people to make an informed decision should all the info be available. It still seems to be a "secret" how much the hosting costs.
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The minority most vocal against donations have never donated even $1. Premium Membership comes with most donations and gives additional site benefits.
I have donated several hundreds of dollars towards several amiga related charities and bounties during the past decade, without expecting much (if anything at all) in return, but indeed never to the maintenance of amiga.org. I'm not against donating per se, but in this case I'm just not sure who gets the money and for what exactly. I can see how Wayne Hunt, as an individual doing this on his spare time with his own money, would appreciate a cash contribution to cover the costs (and maybe even a little something on top of that as appreciation for his work and time spent). But in this case my understanding is that it's a commercial corporation(?) having no problems spending $10,000 to take over the site. As far as I can see, there are 69 domains hosted on IP address 174.132.193.125 over at HostGator.com (http://www.hostgator.com/). Shared hosting has never been as cheap as it is today, I have a few shared sites myself, paid out of my pocket, it's actually not that much of a big deal. I like the Amiga.org site, it's an important institution in the amiga community, and I appreciate the efforts being put into it by the owner, webmaster, admins and moderators. I am glad someone (who?) bought it to keep it alive. But as I said in my previous post, I don't quite understand your selling point here. Charity towards commercial corporations doesn't compute; I have reacted in the past when people suggested *donating* money to Hyperion/OS4, I have also reacted when people suggested *donating* money to the MorphOS team. Commercial entities don't ask for charity, they sell products. Non-commercial entities like AROS (or individual developers releasing their software for free) is another thing. At least this is how I see things, but I am perfectly aware that not everyone agrees with my views. And no, I'm not "trying to talk anyone out of donating" like amigadave wrote, I just don't get why I should give you my money. But now you speak of "additional site benefits", and this could be interesting. This sounds like something that could be considered a product even? If you only would tell us a little more of what to expect as a premium "Lifetime Membership" supporter, I may even consider giving $30 to whoever gets it.
:)
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Its the same benefits as annual subscription.
Bigger PM inbox, ability to send same PM to mulitple users, No adverts, an amiga.org email address
I suspect you already knew this though :)
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I suspect you already knew this though :)
I actually didn't, never cared to look into it. Thanks for the info though! :)
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I take it Franko will not be offering free memberships this time...