Amiga News and Community Announcements => Amiga News and Community Announcements => Topic started by: phoenixkonsole on October 01, 2011, 09:47:30 PM
Title: AEROS - AROS/Linux distro status update
Post by: phoenixkonsole on October 01, 2011, 09:47:30 PM
Hi,
AresOne and friends will get a new standard OS. Actually i plan to have it done for christmas.
There are only a few quirks left. Nothing dramatic.
Status update: Offers the same as Broadway 0.6 plus the following Linux apps:
Abiword Pitivi Ooffice Impress (found no alternative) Ooffice Draw (well it installed it as part of Impress) Inkscape Gnumeric Gimp (Gimpshop is to outdated) Blender 2.49b Chomium Browser has been updated Wine PearPC 0.5 well just want to try it later : )
Linux parts are all updated.. experimenting with Wifi now.
After this i need to include Linux-Prefs into the AROS side.
EDIT: added Midnight Commander
Since the AresOne comes with AmigaForever it will allow to have the virtual Amiga running in coherency mode. (Thanks to janusUAE).
So you will be able to run Linux-, AROS-, AmigaOS 3.x-, Windows-apps and more at the same time.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJ9EM3oc3VA
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZoSTGWjoEwM
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Title: Re: AEROS - AROS/Linux distro status update
Post by: XDelusion on October 03, 2011, 11:10:35 PM
I'm eager to see this released!
Title: Re: AEROS - AROS/Linux distro status update
Post by: haywirepc on October 04, 2011, 12:43:59 AM
I'm really anxious to give this a test drive as well. I think its a really fantastic idea. Windows, linux, amiga 68k apps and AROS native apps all together. Thats like nerd overload!
Congrats and good luck with this! Looks really exciting so far.
Steven
Title: Re: AEROS - AROS/Linux distro status update
Post by: XDelusion on October 04, 2011, 12:47:53 AM
No doubt, as much as it makes me cringe...
...I really like the idea of including WINE with this. If I could run all my DOOM Editing programs from an AROS interface, I'd be in 7th...
...no 8th heaven!
If Half-Life 2 ran, I'd be in 9th Heaven.
Windows compatibility aside, it would be nice to have those few key apps that work well in Linux, and I believe this would resolve a lot of driver limitations that AROS currently has.
Granted, it would be better if AROS just had WINE and more drivers and this and that, but hey, if I don't know I'm actually running on top of Linux, then I'm happy, and I think this will draw in a lot more users.
Title: Re: AEROS - AROS/Linux distro status update
Post by: haywirepc on October 04, 2011, 02:08:55 AM
I agree if they can keep the linux side well out of the way so you forget all about it that would be best. No more driver problems is another great thing.
Its regrettable AROS dosn't have wine and more drivers natively, but it may never have wine native,so this sure fixes that and more. Actually, it fixes ALOT of problems I think prevents aros from becoming an everyday os.
I mean, if I had to I could get by with AROS native for most things I do, but I'd be alot more confident about saying that with this.
I love linux, but a sane file system and cleaner more efficient user interface and simpler gui like aros has I would much prefer.
Not sure I like that boxy app launcher from Broadway, and the desktop icons seem huge, but I think thats just a few tweaks to fix. And that stuff is merely cosmetic. Getting the nuts and bolts of this to work is really impressive to me. I'd like to see how fast it boots and what it looks like booting... Like, can you totally hide all linux stuff and just have it go straight to aros workbench? Looks great so far!
If you need some graphics, or any other help, feel free to ask.
Title: Re: AEROS - AROS/Linux distro status update
Post by: persia on October 04, 2011, 03:50:12 AM
From where I can download?
Title: Re: AEROS - AROS/Linux distro status update
Post by: MaximvsPayne on October 04, 2011, 07:45:07 AM
Damn awesome. this way i can use aros also on my phenom with my xfi and my radeon 4890! aros native has not enough drivers for my big box computer. i already use ubuntu on it with wine and no windows. this way aros can replace even my loved ubuntu. good times to be an amigauser i think.can aros use the 4 cores of my phenom this way? cool sh*t!
Title: Re: AEROS - AROS/Linux distro status update
Post by: persia on October 04, 2011, 12:35:24 PM
What's the base distro? Some kind of Debian/Ubuntu I presume.
Title: Re: AEROS - AROS/Linux distro status update
Post by: phoenixkonsole on October 04, 2011, 03:16:51 PM
I've started with a debian businesscard iso.
Title: Re: AEROS - AROS/Linux distro status update
Post by: persia on October 04, 2011, 04:54:58 PM
Good lord it that brilliant or what? I just hope he who should not be named doesn't steal it for Commode OS.....
Title: Re: AEROS - AROS/Linux distro status update
Post by: haywirepc on October 04, 2011, 06:10:36 PM
I have been tinkering with linux for some time now. Lately, I've been spending my time getting dos apps, amiga apps, and windows apps to you know just point click and it runs... Its very cool. I know this can be done on linux very well, so I'm sure this kind of thing would work on aeros even better. (More sane sensible file system means you can find everything easier!) This just opens more possibilities for that kind of thing, and I would much prefer the aros interface/gui to linux.
To me, if the computer I'm using can run linux, classic amiga apps, dos apps AND aros ng amiga apps... That would just be heaven.
Steven
Title: Re: AEROS - AROS/Linux distro status update
Post by: persia on October 05, 2011, 03:37:38 AM
Does it support touch screen devices?
Title: Re: AEROS - AROS/Linux distro status update
Post by: stefcep2 on October 05, 2011, 05:18:38 AM
ya know that Gateway saw the next Amiga as a Linux kernel but with a GUI that gave it the Amiga look and feel and old software running under emulation. The users said"Yeccchhh". Maybe Gateway was right.
Title: Re: AEROS - AROS/Linux distro status update
Post by: commodorejohn on October 05, 2011, 05:57:51 AM
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ya know that Gateway saw the next Amiga as a Linux kernel but with a GUI that gave it the Amiga look and feel and old software running under emulation. The users said"Yeccchhh". Maybe Gateway was right.
Maybe the users were right. Seriously, this is cool and all, and I won't begrudge anybody their workarounds or effort-savers, but I just don't find it that interesting when what is ostensibly a distinct OS is actually just a user process on an entirely different and unrelated OS. And I especially don't get it when people act like this is a good end-goal, rather than just an acceptable workaround. (Points to AROS for at least having some native versions, though.)
Title: Re: AEROS - AROS/Linux distro status update
Post by: nicholas on October 05, 2011, 09:46:39 AM
Quote from: commodorejohn;662505
I just don't find it that interesting when what is ostensibly a distinct OS is actually just a user process on an entirely different and unrelated OS.
This is exactly what MorphOS (Quark microkernel) and Amithlon (Linux kernel) do.
If someone did the same with AROS but hosted on Haiku then I would use it.
Title: Re: AEROS - AROS/Linux distro status update
Post by: Rodomoc on October 05, 2011, 11:56:28 PM
I am just coming up to speed on this OS. As I understand it, a basic linux system is at the core. Aros is running on top. Native Linux programs appear to run. Native Aros programs also run? And any other emulated OS is possible including Amiga68K via Aros Janus engine.
It is the Aros running on top of the Linux sub-system that intrigues me the most. Reminiscent of Amithlon, or X-Amiga in ways. Also reminds me of the goals of the Anubis OS. I see some interesting use of video drivers (Gallium). Not sure how it works exactly. Is it an Aros Gallium on one side talking straight to the Mesa on the Linux side? What about the other basic hardware? (audio, usb, ethernet, blah blah). How do the Aros subsystems like network stack, usb, etc... interact with Linux?
This one took me by surprise. Any more info would be great. Thanks.
Title: Re: AEROS - AROS/Linux distro status update
Post by: Mrs Beanbag on October 06, 2011, 01:08:56 PM
This is awesome. Now with the right hardware for it to run on - Natami + ARM board plus new build Amiga style case...
Any chance of some kind of limited functionality "instant on" a-la ASUS Express Gate?
Title: Re: AEROS - AROS/Linux distro status update
Post by: nicholas on October 06, 2011, 02:42:24 PM
@PhoenixConsole,
May I suggest that AEROS has the Aranym virtual machine so people can run Atari ST/Falcon software too?
Title: Re: AEROS - AROS/Linux distro status update
Post by: vidarh on October 06, 2011, 03:56:00 PM
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Native Aros programs also run?
AROS is AROS. Hosted and native run the same programs (as long as they're compiled for the right CPU, with the caveat that at the moment a lot of stuff is being reworked)
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It is the Aros running on top of the Linux sub-system that intrigues me the most. Reminiscent of Amithlon, or X-Amiga in ways.
AROS-hosted is a "standard" part of AROS - you can run all the AROS distributions as AROS hosted with varying degrees of difficulty (you need to replace a few files). Quite a few of us use it as our main way of running AROS, since it's convenient especially for development.
The innovative part of AEROS is the increased integration to allow Linux applications to be started from the AROS side, combined with running AROS hosted in full screen mode under X without a Linux desktop environment underneath it.
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Is it an Aros Gallium on one side talking straight to the Mesa on the Linux side?
AFAIK, the 3D acceleration for AROS hosted is based on a reasonably new driver called HostGL that forwards the requests to the Linux side. I don't think Gallium is involved on hosted, but I haven't really kept up with the structure of the 3D support.
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What about the other basic hardware? (audio, usb, ethernet, blah blah). How do the Aros subsystems like network stack, usb, etc... interact with Linux?
If compiled the right way, the AROS code can access Linux API's when running on AROS hosted. The drivers make use of that to talk to Linux (and that's also how the execution of the Linux apps happens, I presume).
The network stack uses a tap driver that talks to the Linux tap interface, so effectively AROS and Linux see each other as separate hosts on a virtual networking interface.
Similarly for most other things there are drivers that essentially convert calls to the appropriate Linux API's instead of talking to hardware. AROS hosted mostly doesn't touch any actual hardware, as it effectively is a Linux application.
This means that for things like filesystems, AROS hosted normally use the Linux filesystem (and so you can access the same files from both the Linux and AROS side).
NOTE: I haven't specifically used AEROS - just regular AROS hosted.
Title: Re: AEROS - AROS/Linux distro status update
Post by: phoenixkonsole on October 06, 2011, 06:45:44 PM
I will try Aranym.
About Gallium... nope on Linux-side you just need a 3D driver which interacts with X ... can be nouveau, original nvidia, ATI, Intel whatever..
But you should really look here: http://www.power2people.org/projects/profile/60
@Mrs Beanbag "Instant on" equals to my AROSbios. This is based on Corebios and Floppy-Version of native AROS..quite old from late 2009/early 2010 and works only with AresOne 2009 and larger replacement EEPROM.
I am now working on a "Supervizor" which is Corebios + a bit payload in form of a GUI where you can choose the OS to boot or for example a PPC emulator. So you will have a Instant-on launcher for native stuff and or Emulated stuff. The Payload is smaller this time because most stuff will be loaded from HD. But it is still "instantly".
Title: Re: AEROS - AROS/Linux distro status update
Post by: Mrs Beanbag on October 06, 2011, 08:47:54 PM
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@Mrs Beanbag "Instant on" equals to my AROSbios. This is based on Corebios and Floppy-Version of native AROS..quite old from late 2009/early 2010 and works only with AresOne 2009 and larger replacement EEPROM.
I am now working on a "Supervizor" which is Corebios + a bit payload in form of a GUI where you can choose the OS to boot or for example a PPC emulator. So you will have a Instant-on launcher for native stuff and or Emulated stuff. The Payload is smaller this time because most stuff will be loaded from HD. But it is still "instantly".
Coooooool. All I'd really like to see from an Instant On OS is the ability to run a media player, so I don't have to wait for a full OS to load just to play a DVD or a CD. I mentioned this elsewhere and someone said something about licensing/copy protection issues.
Title: Re: AEROS - AROS/Linux distro status update
Post by: phoenixkonsole on October 06, 2011, 08:55:39 PM
hmm.. maybe they mixed the official bios? It is not allowed to "hack" this but you can replace it entirely which is legal.
Coreboot is free and was also known as Linuxbios. If you have enough space in your EEPROM (where the Bios is located) you could put everything there you like.
But having the kernel including most drivers is enough. Large EEPROM's are expensive.
http://www.coreboot.org/Welcome_to_coreboot
EDIT: DVD-playback is a "legal"-problem because you need to pay royalty for to the DVD mpeg2 consortium.