Amiga.org
Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Software Issues and Discussion => Topic started by: Robert17 on September 18, 2011, 04:31:55 PM
-
Afternoon all,
I'l trying to get a web browser for a new setup I'm working on,
It's an Amiga 2000, ECS, 3.1 ROM Running OS 3.1, with a GVP Scsi Board, 6mb Ram + 1mb Chipmem and a GoldenGate 2+ ISA Bridge with NE2000 Network card. (Was 8mb Ram but removed 2mb to make space for ISA Bridge/Network card.
I'd like to go online with this setup - I've seen there is a version of AWeb 3.5.09 for 68000CPUs on Aminet, however this crashes for me with the dreaded 80000004 guru.
I wondered if anyone knows where I can get AMosaic 1.2 or another browser that can be used on this setup
Cheers in advance,
Robert.
-
The source for AMosaic 2.0 is here: http://aminet.net/package/comm/tcp/MosaicSrc
No idea where or if there is a ready-compiled binary though. As you're running 3.1 you should be able to find a slightly better browser than that!
-
Try using the Aweb 3.5.09 68000 recompile from the BB3 archive here:
http://lilliput.amiga-projects.net/bbag4.htm
-
There's also the option of IBrowse 1.x
-
Seems like the Wikipedia page has a link to the old version, but I couldn't get it to run:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMosaic
Otherwise check the old AMosaic page:
http://www.mfischer.com/legacy/amosaic/
-
If you can get a copy of Aminet CD 24 it comes with a full version of IBrowse 1.2, the last IBrowse which worked on 68k. It would be better to use than AMosaic. I have a LHA of it if you want it.
-
I don't get why there are negative reactions against AMosaic. I actually liked AMosaic, even though it is a bit slow on an 68000 especially when rendering many or big pictures with many colors (but this is mainly the speed of the Datatypes it is using, so IBrowse probably wont help much there).
I have a copy of AMosaic and AMosaic_NoNet on an A590 that is currently not connected to any computer let alone one connected to the internet and I am not sure, whether it would be legal to send the file to you. I might have it on the "Meeting Pearls" or "Gateway" CD-ROMs that where popular in germany in 1995.
-
I don't get why there are negative reactions against AMosaic. I actually liked AMosaic, even though it is a bit slow on an 68000 especially when rendering many or big pictures with many colors (but this is mainly the speed of the Datatypes it is using, so IBrowse probably wont help much there).
IBrowse is better because it can decode images progressively. It is not faster but overall experience is better.
I still have the original IBrowse 1.02 package here. If someone is interested I can give it away for free.
-
If you can get a copy of Aminet CD 24 it comes with a full version of IBrowse 1.22, the last IBrowse which worked on 68k. It would be better to use than AMosaic. I have a LHA of it if you want it.
Am I missing something here? Why can't this guy use the latest demo version of Ibrowse 2.x on his A2000?
-
I use the latest version of Ibrowse (2.4 I believe) on my A1200 68030, its the only stable browser I could find. Voyager and Aweb always crashed and mosaic couldn't seem to deal with any web pages I tried to navigate too.
-
Am I missing something here? Why can't this guy use the latest demo version of Ibrowse 2.x on his A2000?
IBrowse 2.x needs a 68020 or higher, and Robert's A2000 only has a 68000. IBrowse 1.22 was the last version of IBrowse that will run on his setup. AMosaic and Aweb will also work. None of them are particularly stable, and Aweb probably renders pages best of the three choices.
-
I use the latest version of Ibrowse (2.4 I believe) on my A1200 68030, its the only stable browser I could find. Voyager and Aweb always crashed and mosaic couldn't seem to deal with any web pages I tried to navigate too.
There's a modern AWeb 68000 version but it crashes in my miggies, I must have something wrong installed
-
I never tried it on a 68000, but AWeb is pretty crash happy. Especially with images on. Disable images, and it improved a lot in my experience. (besides, loading them on a 68000 is going to be uncomfortable in any event)
-
I never tried it on a 68000, but AWeb is pretty crash happy. Especially with images on. Disable images, and it improved a lot in my experience. (besides, loading them on a 68000 is going to be uncomfortable in any event)
I see a lot of posts about crashing with AWeb. Are you sure you configured this program correctly?
#6
-
IBrowse 2.x needs a 68020 or higher, and Robert's A2000 only has a 68000. IBrowse 1.2 was the last version of IBrowse that will run on his setup. AMosaic and Aweb will also work. None of them are particularly stable, and Aweb probably renders pages best of the three choices.
Actually IBrowse 1.22 is very stable and not so much different from IBrowse 2.x series. It lacks Javascript and tabbing and crashes in low mem situations but generally it never crash. Too bad there are no websites IBrowse could display properly at this age...
-
I see a lot of posts about crashing with AWeb. Are you sure you configured this program correctly?
#6
I'll admit that I didn't mess with it much. Ibrowse worked more "out of the box" so I just stuck with that after trying it out.
-
Actually IBrowse 1.22 is very stable and not so much different from IBrowse 2.x series. It lacks Javascript and tabbing and crashes in low mem situations but generally it never crash. Too bad there are no websites IBrowse could display properly at this age...
You are probably right about IBrowse 1.22, I actually made a mistake thinking I was using 1.22 all this time, but it's only 1.2. So it's actually IBrowse 1.2 that comes for free on Aminet CD 24, not 1.22. Unfortunately I can't find 1.22 or an update online anywhere, although it definitely was the last 1.x version.
The problem people are most-likely having with AWeb crashing are the Datatypes they're using. Do some tests to see which type of images are causing the crashes (JPEG/GIF/PNG) and try some replacement Datatypes for those.
-
I had mad datatype related crashes in other online applications so that's probably what was messing me up.
-
You are probably right about IBrowse 1.22, I actually made a mistake thinking I was using 1.22 all this time, but it's only 1.2. So it's actually IBrowse 1.2 that comes for free on Aminet CD 24, not 1.22. Unfortunately I can't find 1.22 or an update online anywhere, although it definitely was the last 1.x version.
The problem people are most-likely having with AWeb crashing are the Datatypes they're using. Do some tests to see which type of images are causing the crashes (JPEG/GIF/PNG) and try some replacement Datatypes for those.
I set up IBrowse 1.22 on my A600 a few years ago, and yes, it was VERY hard to find the patches. I believe I finally got them from an Amiga Format or CU Amiga cover CD, either directly or through an offline mirror of HiSoft/Omnipresence's website. I'm pretty sure I saved the files, but unfortunately that A600 is not nearby at the moment.
ISOs of the cover CDs can be found fairly easily online...
-
had ibrowse registered up to 2.4 (3)? 020+ can't remember, Voyager registered 020+ was a little faster at the time. I do remember using Amosaic on a 68000 machine, but I wouldn't even bother using anything more sophisticated than that. Sounds like something that might be "possible" but just a pain in the arse.
-
I set up IBrowse 1.22 on my A600 a few years ago, and yes, it was VERY hard to find the patches. I believe I finally got them from an Amiga Format or CU Amiga cover CD, either directly or through an offline mirror of HiSoft/Omnipresence's website. I'm pretty sure I saved the files, but unfortunately that A600 is not nearby at the moment.
ISOs of the cover CDs can be found fairly easily online...
Thanks! I have nearly all of the Amiga magazine cover CDs from Amiga Format, CU Amiga and Amiga Active (And CD32 Gamer) so I'll start searching through them for the update.
-
Thanks! I have nearly all of the Amiga magazine cover CDs from Amiga Format, CU Amiga and Amiga Active (And CD32 Gamer) so I'll start searching through them for the update.
Good luck! I don't know why I didn't throw the patches onto Aminet at the time, but suggest you do so if you find them.
-
IBrowse 2.x needs a 68020 or higher, and Robert's A2000 only has a 68000. IBrowse 1.22 was the last version of IBrowse that will run on his setup. AMosaic and Aweb will also work. None of them are particularly stable, and Aweb probably renders pages best of the three choices.
I missed the bit about him having an 68000 ;-)
Is anyone still Mosaic 1 or 2? Would be interested to experiment with this browser again.