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Amiga computer related discussion => General chat about Amiga topics => Topic started by: Im>bE on January 04, 2004, 03:11:50 AM
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People that will remember, or have heard the word "amiga":
~30.000.000 + all who know spanish
People that have bought one or more
brand new amiga computer:
~20.000.000
People that have one or more
amiga computers somewhere in their home today,
both used and/or gathering dust:
7.000.000
People that use an amiga atleast within 3 years
for something:
~500.000
People that use an amiga atleast once a month
for something:
~220.000
People that use an amiga atleast once a week
for something:
~68.000
People that use an amiga atleast every other day
for something:
~28.600
People that use an amiga almost every day
for something:
~17.200
People that use an amiga that is connected to the net
almost every day for something:
~1.100
People that use an amiga that is connected to the net
almost every day for more than 3 hours:
~700
People that use an amiga that is connected to the net
almost every day for more than 6 hours:
~300
People that use an amiga that is connected to the net
almost every day and who is reading this:
~60
Take my post and add your own guessings
if you wish.
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~1 person wondering about all this stuff ;-)
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220,000 monthly Amiga users?
You must be kidding!!!
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There are still people around here in Washington that remember the Amiga and have fond memories. Just yesterday I was at a local PC shop getting some parts for my girlfriends moms PC, and the shop owner and I got to talking about Amigas. Some of the numbers listed above though I would think are a bit generous, but then those towards the bottom of the list are likely to be more realistic.
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accidental post :/
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Im>bE wrote:
People that have bought one or more
brand new amiga computer:
~20.000.000
Tell me how that worked and I'll be filthy rich real soon :-D
Hint : The number of all Amigas ever produced is somewhere between
3 and 7 million (depending on the lack of rational of whom you ask).
But who really cares ?
People within the community prepared to shell out on Amiga-related HW:
<5000
People within the community prepared to shell out on Amiga-related SW:
<1000
People remembering the Amiga as something more than a game-console
with keys, but not the f***-ups of the past 10 years (or prepared to forget them):
<100000
People among the above prepared to shell out >$1000 for running what is
(and will be for quite some time ) a pure hobby OS without (enough) SW:
<2000
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The number of all Amigas ever produced is somewhere between 3 and 7 million
Weren't there like 3 million Amiga users in Germany at the time the Amiga was at its peak ?
(Edit; the numbers 3 and 7 million were more like 7 million sold in the biggest Amiga using countries, the UK and Germany, where 7 million was the combined total of he UK and German Users..)
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@Kronos:
3 to 7 million amigas produced? it is more like 15 to 20 million if i remember correctly
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The number of all Amigas ever produced is somewhere between
IIRC there were at least 1.000.000 amigas sold in Greece when Amiga was at its peak!
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@seer
Yes I heard that too, and it since Germany was the biggest market by far,
It would fit in with an overall sale of ~5 million.
@restore
The C=64 was and is the best selling computer-model with around 17 million.
Amiga never ever came close to that (due to the fact that there were allready
"standard-PCs" available at reasonable price when the A500 became affordable).
@Animagic
Looking at the size of Greece, the average income of it's population, and how
uncommon computer were in the late 80s/early 90s compared today (just like
in the rest of the world), I can only doubt that...
A few numbers:
The biggest annual production was in 1991 with around 2 million A500s,
but that was only possible with a reduced price, better marketing and the fact that
this was the year when getting "free" games for the miggy turned eaasier as
getting those for C=64.
It was also the year when C=-Germany sold over 1 million, but it is also
well-known that C=-Germany were undercutting other local C='s in an attempt
to look even bigger than they were.
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There was 10 Millions Amiga sold between 1985 and 1995 in Europe, add the rest of the world to this and you will end with about 18-20 Millions. :-)
Amigalement,
Jean-François, Amiga ONLY since 1985 and ex-Commodore-Amiga dealer/repair service in France.
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I agree with you Kronos, and the numbers I've seen reported in the UK Amiga press for worldwide sales match your 7 million or so.
20 million Amigas? Wishful thinking, I'm afraid. Not surprisingly, numbers of Amiga users have always been inflated beyond reality, even more so recently as certain companies try to convince the public they have a healthy market for their products.
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IIRC there were at least 1.000.000 amigas sold in Greece when Amiga was at its peak!
What??? I come from Greece too, but I don't remember 1 out of 10 people owning an Amiga.... I wanted to sell my CPC and buy an A500 but she was a bit expensive until '92. I got mine (2nd hand) in '93 and I was one of the few (>45) people in my hometown (Veroia) owning one. One million machines in a country of ten million is a bit of a high estimate, isn't it? Are you sure you didn't mean 100.000?
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@Kronos and @Van_M
Guys, I live in Greece and I happen to know that most amiga owners didnt just have 1 amiga but at least 2 or 3 amigas.
I have 8 (5x A2000 3xA1200)!!!!
Even in Rodos Island I NEVER met a person that havent heard of the Amiga computer. I personally NEVER met anybody that DID NOT had an Amiga!!!
Honestly!
Oh, and Veroia doesn't have the same income/person as full of tourists cities like Rodos or Athens :-D
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Animagic wrote:
I personally NEVER met anybody that DID NOT had an Amiga!!!
Geee, you don't leave your house often, do you ? :-o :-P
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I forgot something: Greece is the only country with 12.000.000 people, that has 157 free TV stations!
Now, compute at least 2x amigas in every tv station (It is true, I know this because it is my job :-D ) and you have AT LEAST 300 amigas WORKING right now in Greece !
I personally happen to know some tv stations that have 5 or 7 amigas (for titling etc.) on their Edit Suites. :-)
And don't forget. This is not WAR. We aree just trying to find out how many Amigas were sold :-)
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Kronos wrote:
Animagic wrote:
I personally NEVER met anybody that DID NOT had an Amiga!!!
Geee, you don't leave your house often, do you ? :-o :-P
Hehe, In fact I visit my house ONLY for sleep. I even have lunch every day at my office.
I am the Production Manager in one of these "free" TV stations and as you can quess I don't have much time for home :-P
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Here in Sweden I have seen numbers about 200 000 units sold and "Datormagazin" was Swedens largest computermagazine in the early 90's with about 140 000 readers! And they wrote only about Amiga :-) (At the time...)
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7 millions ? sounds little but it aint :) .
anyway if 5 of thoose millions went to germany then why was amiga so popular in the uk? or countries like FINLAND ..
germany
uk
denmark
finland
sweden
norway
netherlands
is that an OK ranking of the most sold amigas in scandinavia + germany and UK ? (excluding france etc)
amiga sold bad in norway but sold generally great if you compare it to SEGA or whatever, but it was like 1 of 10 people at our school had an AMIGA back when i went in the 7th grade and up ..
sure it might not mean anything but it was pretty cool :) ..
but one thing for sure , if sweden only sold 200.000 AMIGA's then Amiga was small in sweden but that doesnt add up as AMIGA had an own big office there (which was infact ripped off quite a few times) but its more like... WE are so small atm (max 10.000 INET users) so theese numbers 200k etc is beyond our grasp...
i would love to know exact numbers , but i am sure certain people here would use that against us later on.....GRRRR
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@lempkee
Who said there were 5 million in Germany ?
It may be that so many went through C=-Germany, but that doesn't mean that all
of them were actually sold in Germany .....
If we take 7 million I would come up with this:
Germany : 3 Mio
UK: 1.5-2 Mio
Scandinavia: 0.5 Mio
Benelux/France : 1Mio
Southern europe: 0.5-1Mio
Eastern europe (after 1990): 100k (not counting 2nd hand).
US/Canada : 200k (mainly Ax00-models)
Africa/Australia/.... :not worth a mention
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Amiga users != Amigas sold
I bought my A500 from 2nd hand market, upgraded to 2nd hand A600,
which was finally replaced by 2nd hand A1200.
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US/Canada : 200k (mainly Ax00-models)
I think your very much underestimating the Newtek Video Toaster, which still does a fine job for titles and such...
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I wondering how many Amigas were sold in Poland and other mid and eastern europe countries.. BTW Poland was quite big Amiga market.. :-)
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@jeffimix
You most be kidding .....
I mean sure those Bread-ovens were nice and powerfull (and maybe even are),
but they were also extremly expensive, only suitable for real pros when they were still
sold new.
Doubt they ever sold more than 10k, and surely nowhere near 6-figure numbers...
And Amigas weren't really popular over their outside the pro-video-sector.
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FOOD FOR THOUGHT...
I live in an area of two small towns of about 20,000 and 30,000 respectively. I belonged to an Amiga users club of about 20 people. I was the ONLY one who owned a Video Toaster. In the state of Ohio there are litterally thousands of small towns. I would guess you are all seriously underestimating the populararity of the Amiga platform here in the U.S.. Newtek is still in business selling Toasters for PC platforms and they ain't cheap. It would probably be easy enough to email them and find out how many Amiga/Toaster platforms they sold. They can probably tell you how many toaster boards they sold too. Figure that with the average in the club I belonged to and you will get a rough idea how many were sold here. The demise of the Amiga in the U.S. had more to do with the insane business practices of the people who ran Commodore than the quality of the platform. After all it was doing things the PC could never do without a $1,000.00 USD worth of aftermarket boards. It may surprise you to know that there are still active Amiga user groups around the U.S.. I am just thankful that the European community is and was an avid supporter of the Amiga platform. One final note. I am an amateur radio guy and I attend the worlds largest Ham Radio/Electronics/Computer show and convention held in Dayton, Ohio every year. The outdoor flea market alone has over 2,000 vendors on the average and for the past ten years there has always been someone selling used Amiga stuff and they are not cheap. Don't count us short here. On ebay the most of the Amiga equipment sold is from the U.S. and I am not counting software because the bulk of that semme to be from the UK. Most of the software seems to be from people dumping games.
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I think 20 million is a pretty fair estimate.
From the numbers I remember Germany and the UK had 5 million *each*. Germany was the biggest for a long time but I remember the UK did eventually overtake them.
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Oh, and Veroia doesn't have the same income/person as full of tourists cities like Rodos or Athens
@Animagic
What do you mean, exactly? That we people in Veroia are, way too poor to own an Amiga?!? I was into computers and most of my childhood friends too. It's just that only one or two of them had Amigas.
No offence intended, but your argument regarding the income is purely pathetic! You are telling me that a labour or general worker has a better life in Athens than in Veroia? With a rent around 80% higher? Which are the Rhodites you are reffering to? The owners of hotels and big restaurants? Well, people with such big bucks, can have a high income/person kind of life anyway. The rest will starve wherever they live.
Regarding your 8 Amigas I have one question to ask you --> how many of them did you get before '96 and how many afterwards? At around '98 you could buy amigas (1200's) for nothing (just because none wanted them).
I don't mean to start a personal war with you, it's just that I don't like being PATRONIZED!
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BTW most of these "free stations" in Greece are not licenced, and therefore, illegal.
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I'll guess at 2,089,452 - no make that 2,089,453 -I forgot someone! No make it 27,879 - that seems more probable. But what would Eyetech reckon? After all they NEED to have some idea don't they?
I bet it's closer to 11,209. Or maybe not.
The truth is nobody knows because you can't really define the question can you?
What's the point of all this guessing?
Cheers,
JaX
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Van_M wrote:
Oh, and Veroia doesn't have the same income/person as full of tourists cities like Rodos or Athens
@Animagic
What do you mean, exactly? That we people in Veroia are, way too poor to own an Amiga?!? I was into computers and most of my childhood friends too. It's just that only one or two of them had Amigas.
No offence intended, but your argument regarding the income is purely pathetic! You are telling me that a labour or general worker has a better life in Athens than in Veroia? With a rent around 80% higher? Which are the Rhodites you are reffering to? The owners of hotels and big restaurants? Well, people with such big bucks, can have a high income/person kind of life anyway. The rest will starve wherever they live.
Regarding your 8 Amigas I have one question to ask you --> how many of them did you get before '96 and how many afterwards? At around '98 you could buy amigas (1200's) for nothing (just because none wanted them).
I don't mean to start a personal war with you, it's just that I don't like being PATRONIZED!
Firts of all: the INCOME thing is not mine. According to Kronos "@Animagic
Looking at the size of Greece, the average income of it's population, and how
uncommon computer were in the late 80s/early 90s compared today (just like
in the rest of the world), I can only doubt that..."
Don't make this a personal or "Veroia vs Rodos" matter ok?
And btw, why didnt YOU reply to Kronos about that low income thing? ;-)
Second: I own my 5x A2000s since 1990. My 3xA1200s bought in 1992-1993.
Third: THERE IS NO TV STATION IN GREECE THAT IS ILLEGAL !
The tv station I work has permission to broadcast since 1993. All the pirate tv stations have been shut down since 1997. All the remaining tv stations broadcast legal since 1998. Do some homework before you start the bulls*&t an offend 2000 people working in these stations!
Thank you!
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5 million in the UK alone? No chance.
It was more like 2 million, and that's all the models put together.
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@minator:
I think 20 million is a pretty fair estimate.
From the numbers I remember Germany and the UK had 5 million *each*. Germany was the biggest for a long time but I remember the UK did eventually overtake them.
Where do you guys get your numbers from? Here are the "official" numbers for Germany:
numbers of Amigas sold in Germany until December 93 (http://home.t-online.de/home/r.benda/zahlen.html)
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Well Animagic, the problem is, Kronos doesn't live in Greece does he? So he can safely express his impression of Greece being a uncivilized place with no electricity, filled with goats and cows. I get this bullcrap all day here in the UK. I expected better from you, being a Greek though. My main problem is with the line "Oh, and Veroia doesn't have the same income/person as full of tourists cities like Rodos or Athens".
Regarding tv stations, I can assure you there are dozens of tv station still operating illegaly throughout Greece. These stations go up and down every ten days or so.
I don't want to make it a "Veroia vs Rodos" thing, I consider myself way too mature to start such a stupid thing.
I just felt insulted by your comment regarding the ability of a person living in Veroia on buying an Amiga back in the late 80's/early 90's. You cannot deny that most of the people in Greece were considering (wrongly) the Amiga to be an expensive games machine, rather a top-notch multimedia computer. This is why the pc's were selling better. This is why, back in the early 90's most of the people I knew, went for an IBM-XT or AT. Even if you look at the computer magazines of that time, there were the gaming-computer magazines ("Pixel" , "User" - covering all platforms but maily the Amiga) and the serious magazines ("PC Master", "RAM", "Computer gia olous" - covering more serious aspects of computing and aimed strictly at PC users).
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The Commodore 64 is the only macine to sell even close to numbers of 20 million (reports vary from ~17-25)
Every set of numbers I've ever seen on Amiga has been ~5-8 million total worldwide. Not every television studio, nor every person in Europe has one. They were popular, but they were not on "top" hardly anywhere for long if at all.
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numbers of Amigas sold in Germany until December 93
Hmm... Looking "usable" Amiga models:
Amiga 1200 95.500
Amiga 3000 8.300
Amiga 4000/030 7.500
Amiga 4000/040 3.800
Not much.
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wowe didn't we go thru a thread like this just a few ago? Anyways id place the amount in the millions, that way we can all just forget about it, and maybe think of ways that we can reach a higher number of users instead of wondering how many people use them much less heard of them in the past 10 yrs
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If I remember rightly, I understand that some 5 million Amigas had been sold up until 1990 or 1991, so the total of 7 or 8 million that has been mentioned several times could be quite accurate.
Australia was a surprisingly good market for the Amiga. I remember hearing figures of 700,000 to 1 million being quoted. Personally, I would go for the 700,000. It's worth noting that even now, there are still three active Amiga user groups here in Melbourne.
I can also recall one of the British Amiga magazines actually had an article on this matter back in the early '90s. Unfortunately, I can't remember which magazine.
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I use my Amiga every day as my main machine. I have a lovely brand new Laptop PC running next to it which I do use for stuff, but mainly my Amiga gets used and certainly if I ever want to get any REAL work done it's the Amiga I turn to every time.
As it happens I AM on my PC at the moment, but that's because Im in the middle of upgrading the BPPC on my main Amiga and it isn't going to plan at the mo - normally I'd be writing this reply in IB2.3
Brian
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@Van_M
Did I really mention goats and cows ???
An A500 did cost 1400DM when it came out, and dropped to 800 by the time
I bought mine (91). Now back in those days computers in general and especially
Amigas where mainly bought by young adults or as presents for kids, 2 market
that aren't ,likely to buy overexpensive items.
It is also a fact that the avarage income in Greece was and is significantly lower
than those in middle-europe.
Nothing more and nothing less was what I wrote ....
@itix
Atleast the A1200 still sold very good in early 94, and I still can't do more than grin
at the insane price I got for mine when I sold it that summer.
Escom also build ~200000 A1200, but it is quite unclear how many of those were
ever sold.
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filled with goats and cows
Goats and cows?
-Mpeeeeeeeeeeeeee?
-Mooooooooooooooo!
:-P :-P :-P :-P :-P :-P :-P :-P
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Am I the oldest Amiganoid on here?
DoB March 1951
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I'm quite sure there were more than 200k sold in North America.
For example the A500 was the hottest selling in the
Christmas season of 1991 bar none. As I recall one
particular chain, (now defunct) Montgomery Ward had a big dispute with C= about paying for the units they moved that year that played a part in C='s eventual demise. I dont remember the specifics. I think there was a similar dispute with AAFES who also sold tons of them.
If I remember correctly there were like 7,000,000 A500s sold.
However- since I was stationed in Wildflecken, Germany when I bought my A500 and took it home
with me your estimate of the German market is
inflated by at least 1. :)
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in an amiga format magazine i read commodore celebrating 1 MILLION users in the UK.
this was also dated in 1992!!! when the amiga still had a lot of life left in it
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What do all these figures say today?
Sell some millions of recent machines ASAP!
(And do not only produce a batch a 500 pieces every few months)
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~1 person owning 13 Amigas in his home
(1 being converted to a VT flyer workstation with LAN)
(1 being used for internet via LAN)
(my brother using one as an overlay graphics system)
(another using as a BIG countdown clock using displays that use the serial port)
(others to be named in use whenever possible)
donated a 2000 PSU to a friend of mine, he really needs a hard drive in his 2000.
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Did Commodore ever produce spare motherboards? If so, would these count to the final total? :-? :huh:
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I do know that C= sold spare motherboards for the
C=64... But they were refurbs even though they were
supposed to be new. (You could spot the replaced ICs and newer solder work). You would think that was because of the returns from K-Mart and such
were significant for that market. I'll bet the same held true for the A500, but probably not the 1k,2k,3k,4k. C= wasnt around long enough after the
1200 and 600 for that to have likely been the case.
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HopperJF wrote:
in an amiga format magazine i read commodore celebrating 1 MILLION users in the UK.
this was also dated in 1992!!! when the amiga still had a lot of life left in it
Yep, that fits in with the 1.5 million to 2 million maximum figure for the UK overall (most likely closer to 1.5 than 2)
Add that to the confirmed figures Peter Kittel posted for Commodore Germany, and bearing in mind that these were the biggest Amiga markets bar none, and even the 7 million figure for world-wide sales is looking optimistic.
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Hmm, Sweden couldn't have only 200.000 Amiga users.. according to one of the Datormagazinet newspaper we were one of the leading countries in Europe buying Amiga computers.. it was everywhere, even in most schools one way or the other.. :-D
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by minator on 2004/1/4 17:07:30
I think 20 million is a pretty fair estimate.
From the numbers I remember Germany and the UK had 5 million *each*. Germany was the biggest for a long time but I remember the UK did eventually overtake them.
Back several years ago, Dr Peter K wrote on the TeamONE ML that there was just over 7 million Amigas sold world wide. My search engine is down right now, else I would give you the exact numbers he gave us.
Dammy
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ok since this subject is still up here we go the a-500 sold over 5 million units in its time, the a1200 was near 2 million. not sure on what the other models sold tho. also since the c=64 came up too it is still the biggest selling computer (one model) ever on record. oh yeah aafes did move a lot of units, i worked for a company called the kealy co. in late 80s-early nineties and one thing we handled besides norelco and such was amiga comps. Not sure on total amounts but i know there were alot (especially a-2k models) sold at bases in us and overseas. now can we move on to another topic like how a-inc can get back into the comp scene:)
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@amigakid
Oh no, come one ... we have started to let the airout of these numebers and *plop*
you start again with the inflation ?
C=_A1200 <200000
AT_A1200 220000 with an unknown number never sold.
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talking worldwide man, do the research, besides about 2mill for a1200 is not a lot compared to what comps sell total each year
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I think some people are forgetting that, yes, the C64 sold the most of any computer ever, as a single model. Amiga 1000, 2000, 3000, 4000, 500, 500+, 600, 1200, CDTV, CD32 are all DIFFERENT models.
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Does anyone know how other systems fair today in terms of sales (Xbox, PS2, GameCube, Mega Drive, SNES etc). Is there a website someone could point me in the direction of that has these figures? Im just curious thats all.... :-? :huh:
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in terms of sales around a year ago in the uk the xbox was looking to be the next dreamcast, and now it is competing well with ps2. i hate to say ti but with their next console m$ could win over sony's 8 year console dominance
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Doesnt matter. High end models like A1000, A3000 and A4000 were never
sold in great quantities. A500+/A600/CDTV were failures, CD32 had
potential, but A500 was their only Amiga model sold in millions.
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mikey2001 wrote:
Did Commodore ever produce spare motherboards? If so, would these count to the final total? :-? :huh:
Yes they did, I bought 5000 or so, there is a possibility that Taberate bought more then that, though they were buying 2000 motherboards and I was buying 500+'s.
-Tig
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@amigakid
I did my research ....., no do yours ;-)
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Africa/Australia/.... :not worth a mention
Australia/New Zealand (and Oceania region) was a good market for Amigas (so is Commodore branded X86 PCs).
I recall, TAFE** (tertiary level*) has some courses (probably part of Multimedia courses) centred around Amiga/Scala back then.
**TAFE is a State government funded colleges with framework compatible with Aussie Universities (Federal funded).
*Eduction Institution after high-school (secondary level).
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mikey2001 wrote:
Does anyone know how other systems fair today in terms of sales (Xbox, PS2, GameCube, Mega Drive, SNES etc). Is there a website someone could point me in the direction of that has these figures? Im just curious thats all.... :-? :huh:
For AMD's case i.e. in the second quarter of 2001 it sold more than 7.7 million processors (mostly Athlons) .
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HARD TO CONFIGURE COMP SALES DUE TO ALL THE PC CLONES OUT THERE, UNLESS YOU ROUNDED THEM BY PROCCESSORS, BESIDES A PC THAT FLOPS STILL SELLS MORE THAN A MIGGY THAT BEAT EXPECTATIONS:) ANYWHO LETS GET ONTO SOMETHING MORE FUN LIKE GAMES, IS WASTED DREAMS 2 STILL COMING OUT OR IS THAT ONE AXED? WHAT ABOUT THE CLAWS OF THE DEVIL (I THINK ITS CALLED), AND EVILS DOOM? nICE LOOKING EARLY PICS AND DEMOS THEN NOTHING ( WELL LIKE A LOT OF THINGS OUT THERE FOR US I GUESS :boohoo:
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Does anyone know how other systems fair today in terms of sales (Xbox, PS2, GameCube, Mega Drive, SNES etc). Is there a website someone could point me in the direction of that has these figures? Im just curious thats all....
Gamecube: about 10 mill
XBox: about 10 mill
PS2: about 30 mill
PS1: about 100 mill
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PS2: about 30 mill
PS1: about 100 mill
:-o :-o :-o Thats alot of Playstations!
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Thats alot of Playstations!
Yes only the Gameboy sold better (120 mill i think)
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what about the psone?
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what about the psone?
Look 2 posts higher
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In reply to your comment.
You`re right. I can guess that in early 90`s there were around 100.000 or more Amiga users in Poland, but that can be hard to verify as it was also the time when whole computer market here grew in its early days of capitalism freedom and everyone bought everything produced in the west ;) That doesn`t mean Amiga was not a beloved and noble one of course, as plenty of tv stations, companies and even in some cases government used Amiga computers. As for TV stations, including the most powerfull at that day Public TV. It`s a know history when sometime in early 90`s this TVP showed some championship in football and during that high-time of viewers something went wrong in the studio and Scala screen apeared. Someone from Scala or their dealers seen it and looked up all the info about customers finding that no one from TVP every bought a single copy. Few heads fell. Anyway, I don`t quite remember but Poland didn`t yet have, or had it for a very short time anti-piracy law. Everyone copied every software or game and sold it where ever they wanted to. I remember big computer shops selling games this way by just adding a paper bag and sometimes color printed screen from the game. Golden days of piracy ;P
But getting to the point, I`m completly sure that there were around 60.000-70.000 Amigans in 1996 and still at least 40.000-50.000 in early 1998. The ammount decreases eversince and now I`d guess there`s no more than 3.000 of active Amiga users + 15.000 of users with Amiga under their beds, in wardrobes etc. That`s becouse there`s no Amiga printed magazine since ACS which went down in 2002 and therefore people have no access to news, contact with other users and being abondoned in such state they go for PC or Mac. All that remains is community gathered in internet around various sites, IRC channels and such, as only there they can get known of still prospering companies, other users and fresh news from Amiga world. I believe that also a number of those without net access remain hidden in the shadows of unknown market territories ;)
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not psx, psone hand held, anyway
about piracy in poland, you didn't always get a screenshot of the game :-D . of course that was in the good old days when some1 said:
person1: Hey i'm thinking of getting an amiga 1200
person2: That's kool, now what you should get is a 200mb harddrive that will give you enough space, barely
person1: Thanks for the advice!
*person 2 walks off*
person3 (person1's friend): ARE YOU CRAZY, WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU GOING TO DO WITH 200MB!!!
copied games and programs were easy to get. you either went into a friends house, with another game and there was a bit of bargaining, like a darkseed is worth tv basketball and deluxe paint IV. or you went into an amiga shop, the owner waited until everyone left and then "follow me" then you got a list, and then in about half an hour a dodgy non vertabix or tdx
diskette with many cylinders missing and you just wasted 60 pln (zloty) :-D
anyway, back to london ;-)
Pete wrote:
Am I the oldest Amiganoid on here?
DoB March 1951
Am i the youngest? DoB April 1989? :-P
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Oh, that had to be in later years. I mean the stuff with top secret operations like games list in the back of the shop. In my days they just put it up on the shelfs with a brief description and picture. Some of the more decent shops, living from hardware mainly, had real original software and games, not many though. I always wondered becouse all those boxes stood there for years covering with dust and just rarely someone bought it. Nevertheless, there were few companies, with the biggest IPS (big games dealer and producer now, under different name though) which published original titles under licenses in original boxes and they even made it to earn for living and further investments in the future. Anyway, I remember buying pirated Lightwave on sth around 16 diskettes, with xero`ed manual togheter with my A1200, these were the last days when piracy wasn`t prohibited. About that 200mb HD. I had 120mb in my a600 2mb ram and I really couldn`t fill it to the limits back then. Later it appeared usefull, as around 1999 I took that amy from wardrobe and thanks to early miami, connect it to internet. I could use amirc, yam and ibrowse, just one at a time though :) Other thing is, that when I wrote something (and I write pretty fast) and finished, I could sit back and observe how for at lest 30 seconds more it appeared on the screen letter by letter :D
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maybe these (http://amiga.emugaming.com/sales.html) sales figures are correct. :-)