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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Software Issues and Discussion => Topic started by: AmiDelf on January 04, 2004, 12:57:23 AM
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I wonder why my Amiga freezes with SFS installed suddendly.
Surfed and chatted thru AmIRC, then my net connection suddendly stopped and my Amiga freezed at some point.
Then when rebooting, I got SFS requesters in bootup sequence, saying that I have a corrupted HD0:
When I try to delete my logg directory in AmIRC and even tries to startup Ibrowse, my AmigaOS v3.9 hangs/freezes completely.
I've tried SFSsalv and everything else, but no good results there either :( Is there a possibility to fix this, or is my HD corrupt?
Regards,
Michal, wich needs his Amiga for www.amigaworld.org
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Hi AmiDelf
which SFS version?
Post all your config too.
Ciao
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SFS partitions are unrepairable.
If your system crashes when you start IBrowse it could be because the
binary of IBrowse is corrupt... Either your filesystem went belly up
or your HD is dying.
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I am on my PC now, wich is a shame, but...
Well, we've checked the drive on a PC with a HD check program for my Samsung 60GB hd and we didnt find any errors.
Yes, my system crashes when starting IBrowse and when trying to delete something at all from the logg dir in AmIRC.
Something went wrong.
My SFS version was one of the first versions. I haven't changed, and now I've formated my Sys: partition and updated it with the latest SmartFileSystem update wich came about 3 days ago to Aminet.
My Amiga is:
Amiga 4000 060/PPC, 128mb RAM, Voodoo 3 3000 (MediatorPCI4000Di), Ariadne_II, DelfinaDSP, 60GB Samsung HD, 36x IDE CD-ROM+++
My Software was:
AmigaOS v3.9 with BoingBall 1 and PowerIcons, 1024x768x32bit screenmode
Regards,
Michal
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I have my suspicions about IBrowse2.3 and SFS. Here the cache can corrupt the filesystem, especially on faster systems. I'd advise anyone who uses IBrowse cache to run it from a non-SFS partition, or a special cache partition of its own so it can be quickly formatted. This 'bug' really needs to be investigated.
Once any SFS partition is corrupt, you must rescue the files and then format. There is no way to fix it. That's why the IB issue is so serious.
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Thanks...
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Hi KennyR
i've tried, only for testing pourpose, to use a SFS partition for the IB 2.3 diskcache (for 2 days).
SFS, due its slow delete speed, isn't compatible in a cache enviroment.
Here with the last SFS on a slow 040, doesn't freeze the system but slow down IB even with 400 buffers.
Probably with more buffers . . . .
Ciao
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Tried out the newest SFS version?
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Hi AmiDelf
yes SFS 1.214 that as already said, doesn't crash the system but it is slow for diskcaching pourposes.
I've switched back to PFS3 18.5.
The best option for all the diskcache pourposes, is PFS3 with at least 400 buffers and the .deldir setted to 0. (no deldir)
Ciao
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I dont really want PFS3, because PFS2 destroyed my whole HD.. wich aint funny at all :)
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Been using SFS on my harddrive for several months now with Ibrowse no problems but my Cache and download directories are all on a separate partition for safety. Testing SFS and PFS found SFS to be much faster on my system with most things. BTW you can have both installed on your Hard drive.
Also make sure your first drive in the system has the newest version of SFS installed in the RDB otherwise things get messy. Master if ide or drive 0 if SCSI doesn't matter what the boot drive has on it as long as the first drive seen by the system has it installed.
kurt
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I've never had any issues with PFS3, including
IBrowse caches (yet).
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@KennyR
I've been using SFS for about six months now and run iBrowse 2.3, can't say I've had any problems with the cache, in fact I've found browsing the cache under SFS much faster than it was previously under FFS.
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by -D- on 2004/1/5 9:19:51
I've never had any issues with PFS3, including
IBrowse caches (yet).
the same here from years.
I've downloaded and installed the last SFS only for testing pourpose that still slower than PFS3 in quite all operation..
PFS2 is bugged . . .avoid it :-)
Ciao
PS- if you can, make a partition with PFS3 ONLY for diskcache use and set the deldir to 0 . .(SetDelDir PARTname: 0) .you will fly :-) (and if you have a lot of mem, set the buffers to 600)
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by ####ney_dave on 2004/1/5 12:45:21
@KennyR
I've been using SFS for about six months now and run iBrowse 2.3, can't say I've had any problems with the cache, in fact I've found browsing the cache under SFS much faster than it was previously under FFS.
all is faster than FFS :-)
Can you post your SFS config (and version)?
Mine is:
SFS 1.214 with 300 buffers
SFSconfig <>NIL: PartitionName: 32 8192 107 5 1 COPYBACK
Thanks
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I have SFS 1.201 (July 25th 2003). 128 buffers, all other config left at default.
I don't know the source of this problem, but I've considered it serious enough to turn off IB cache completely, after corrupting the partition it was on twice.
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Hi KennyR
128 buffers aren't enough for SFS/PFS IMHO. . . and not only for the cache partition.
As already written, try to do an "Upgrade Filesystem" with HDToolbox to the latest version 1.214 (no needs to reformat from your version).
Set the buffers to 200 at least (300-400 is better)
Add in your UserStartup the above mentioned SFSConfig line and the system shouldn't freeze, no more.
All the above NOT for a diskcaching use. (as you alredy said)
Ciao
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@Framiga
I prefer to keep a small amount of dosbuffers. Large buffers just use too much CPU time, and the buffers should be kept to a multiple of 8 anyway. If I need more buffers I'd just use SFS's caches instead.
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Hi KennyR
but at which buffers are you speaking about?
I'm speaking about the number of "partition buffers" for each partition (set in HDToolbox or with the AddBuffers command).
Ciao
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Yes, that's the same buffers I mean. They are called dosbuffers.
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Hi KennyR
with all the respect . . .have you taken in consideration that your "esoteric" theory, could be the reason of your disk failure?
Onestly, i've never heard before a so "bizarre" theory and i know gazillions of users that uses IB2.3 with SFS from a life.
As already said, SFS isn't the best for diskcaching, but doesn't freeze/crash nothing if correctly configurated.
AddBuffer KennyR, beleive me :-)
Ciao
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Put a screenshot up, would you? Where you can ajust those buffers?
Maybe you want to make a article about SFS for amigaworld.org? Because these are areas I've never tried out. I've been using SFS since 1999. The very same version without any problems. Now it suddendly crashed and freezed. Not funny at all.
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Hi AmiDelf
you can add buffers, within HDToolbox for each partition OR from a shell:
Addbuffers YOURpartition: xxx
where xxx is a positive number.
To check your partition buffer, type in a Shell:
Addbuffers YOURpartitionNAME:
and see how much are it OR check it from HDToolbox.
Ciao
PS- FFS 80 default
PFS3 from 100 to 600
SFS average 200-400 suggested
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Thanks for the help,...
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Hi AmiDelf
i've read again you previous post.
You have the same SFS version, OS, HD and so from 1999 and the problem happens now?
mhhh . . .i'm thinking that the problem could be another one.
Which HD controller? and OS?
Ciao
EDIT- ops sorry you already post the config.
So try to check your HD flat cable also and if you can, install BB-2 (that upgrade HDToolbox)
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It could be just bad luck. 99% of filesystem failures on Amiga happen
because other software trashed random memory.
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SFSconfig <>NIL: games: 100 32384 107 5 1 COPYBACK
thats a small tip :)
anyway pfs ####ed up my hdd's some time ago so i moved onto SFS and had no issues since then, but then again i use only amiga so jealousy aint the problem :D