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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Software Issues and Discussion => Topic started by: nineoc on September 04, 2011, 02:36:31 AM
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Have heard mixed opinions about this software. I currently have a version installed on a windows machine, but have yet to get the Amiga data and programs I am using over to the emulation.
I use my A2000's to create and print documents that include images, and would like to have the emulation as a backup system just in case.
Would anyone care to comment on:
--The simplest way to transfer the data and programs
--The ability of this software to actually print documents
--Any alternatives, and if so, why, instead of this one
Regards,
W
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1. Parnet, or a serial connection if ethernet not available
3. Amithlon. Faster, less overhead, more drivers/direct HW access. Potentially larger software library (will run x86 code for AmigaOS)
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I appreciate the quick response, but as I am not a tech, it is all undecipherable to me.
Can you elaborate in a simpler form please?
W
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It's a good collection of legal stuff.
The best alternative is what is already included, WinUAE, so other than updating the version of WinUAE it uses (which it can do for itself, it can check for updates) you're good to go.
The big benefit to Amiga Forever IMHO is the ease of setup, legal ROMs that you don't have to get from the Amiga to the PC and the file transfer tools if you need to connect to a real Amiga to transfer files.
I don't often print, but yes, it can print.
As for transferring files, are they floppies or hard drives?
If they are hard drives and you can physically connect them to the PC, then it can be configured to use them directly.
For floppies you'll need to make disk images and get them to the PC. AF includes programs for this, but you'll either need network on the Amiga or a null modem cable.
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@nineoc,
I use my PC and a floppy disk. Just set up your floppy disk to foramat as PC0: on the Amiga. A little slow but works. Of course you could always email it to yourself.
smerf
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Thanks guys, these comments are very helpful.
As for the data transfer, it is all on the Amiga's hard drives, and the programs are on the
Amiga and on the original floppies.
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Have heard mixed opinions about this software. I currently have a version installed on a windows machine, but have yet to get the Amiga data and programs I am using over to the emulation.
I use my A2000's to create and print documents that include images, and would like to have the emulation as a backup system just in case.
Would anyone care to comment on:
--The simplest way to transfer the data and programs
--The ability of this software to actually print documents
--Any alternatives, and if so, why, instead of this one
Regards,
W
Yes....download WinUAE FOR FREE :)
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It's a good collection of legal stuff.
The big benefit to Amiga Forever IMHO is the ease of setup, legal ROMs that you don't have to get from the Amiga to the PC and the file transfer tools if you need to connect to a real Amiga to transfer files.
Rubbish, he is perfectly entitled to use a kickstart rom image AND full set of workbench disk ADFs as supplied with his A2000 AS HE ALREADY OWNS THEM.
This stuff about having to manually transfer your own kickstart/workbench is a lie
I own an Amiga 1000,500,2000,1200,600 and CD32 which means after finding the associated files to download I am legally using
kickstart 1.1, 1.2, 1.3, 2.04, 3.0, 3.1 AND full disk set ADFs of associated workbench.
The resulting files would be the same legally so I cut out all the hard work :roflmao:
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Amiga Forever updates it's files automatically, btw
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Rubbish, he is perfectly entitled to use a kickstart rom image AND full set of workbench disk ADFs as supplied with his A2000 AS HE ALREADY OWNS THEM.
This is not true. What he bought with his Amiga is a single-place license. This means he may use it with one machine only. Strictly speaking he has to remove the ROM from the A2000 and erase the harddrive if he wants to use the ROM and ADF images in WinUAE.
Let's face it, everybody uses his/her self-made or downloaded ROM and ADF files on every PC he/she owns without taking care about licenses and such. Yes.
But it's simply not true to say that it's legal. It's not.
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http://www.amigaforever.com/
plus, they keep updating the product. If you care about Amiga History you will appreciate Amiga Forever.
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This is not true. What he bought with his Amiga is a single-place license. This means he may use it with one machine only. Strictly speaking he has to remove the ROM from the A2000 and erase the harddrive if he wants to use the ROM and ADF images in WinUAE.
Let's face it, everybody uses his/her self-made or downloaded ROM and ADF files on every PC he/she owns without taking care about licenses and such. Yes.
But it's simply not true to say that it's legal. It's not.
Hmm license arguments again. Is it true to say something is legal if it isn't illegal ?
"single-place" license I haven't heard of that one before. So If said gentleman had two A2000s and moved his rom and HD between them he would be qualified as licensed ?
What if he used a backup HD ? And it goes on and on and on. What about Accellerators that copy the ROM into 32bit memory? Is the ROM "active memory" if it has no power ?
There's no need to speak strictly anymore. As long as the licensed product is not distributed I don't think any person, company, or court in the world would even look sideways at someone using a duplicate copy of their amiga product on another device. Even at the same time. The trees are falling in the forest and nobody is listening.
Get Amiga Forever if you have any concerns and you get a handy untility bundle as well. Worth the money.
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Yes amiga forever does autoupdate files. Just did that for me and broke my once working system,telling me it needs xp sp2 when its on that . Gee thanks for updating my system files. Piece of ****. Delete and just install winuae. Bloated pile of ****.
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Amiga Forever is the most painless was of setting up WinUAE on a PC you can imagine. Everything you need is included, plus multiple pre-configured hard drive installations meaning you can boot into OS1.3, OS3.1+, Amikit, Amisys, wtc by just selecting from a menu (or build your own custom configuration).
I've recently used it for prepping hard drives for my A4000. I've put a removable 3.5" drive rack in my PC and A4000 and I use Amiga Forever to mount the 3.5" drive, format it as an Amiga drive, copy over the installation (ClassicWB) and then drop it into my real Amiga. I've also used it for prepping Hard Drive Files for my Minimig v1.1, FPGA Arcade and Chameleon64.
It's worth every penny in my opinion.
Oh, and it also contains a program called "Amiga Explorer" for linking your Amiga and your PC via a null-modem cable across your serial ports. I've only ever tried it once as I use USB flash drives myself.
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@gertsy,
Legal/illegal roms, hey I don't think Commodore would mind, they are gone. Would like to know who bought the rights, and if they can prove it. Last I heard was gateway had all the rights. but may have sold them to someone else. Anyway does anyone really care about an old worn out OS that is so defunct that it can't even play a DVD.
smerf
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Of course it can play a DVD. Why would you think otherwise ? Yes a physical 68k machine doesnt have the grunt, but thats nothing to do with the OS.
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If you have AmigaForever, one of the easiest ways to transfer files is, I believe, included.
AmigaExplorer gives you a drag/drop - pointy/clicky way to transfer files using a NULL modem (serial) cable or Parallel xfer cable. (Or I think I heard network also?? But I assume your Amiga isn't networked..)
Unfortunately, I haven't used Amiga Explorer...
If you don't have a parallel or serial port on your PC, don't worry.
A USB - serial adapter is usually like $10 or so on e-bait...
It's slowish, but it works fine.
(I don't use AmigaExplorer, but I use some other serial/null software to transfer files.)
AmigaForever has a good page on their site about cables you can use with the AmigaExplorer software..
Good Luck...
desiv
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I had this very same problem a while back wanted to back up my files/have a virtual version of my machine/set up, the easiest way for me was to pull out my Amiga IDE hard drive and connect it up to Windows machine, it will try to suggest formatting it skip that and then in WinUAE it should automatically find the hard drive and then you can boot from it and make a backup.
I'd highly recommend Amiga Forever, it offer quite a bit more than WinUAE on its own and is not too much to pay (£19.99) to own every Amiga ever made legally, and your supporting WinUAE as Clonte donate and are the main supporter of the program and have also supported Aros efforts with its custom kickstart and various other areas to, so I dont think it much to ask for.
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Recommended by me.
I've used WinUAE for years now (ever since my miggy became defunct). I bought AF2011 (and got the free upgrade to 2012 ;-) as I just wanted to, simple as that.
I personally recommend the Amikit install ( http://amikit.amiga.sk/ ).
This updates the look and feel of AmigaOS and adds in a heap of stuff you'd otherwise spend ages finding. The later versions of AF have Amikit directly linked, or it's available for a direct download from the link above.
As to transferring your files/system across, expert advice can be found over at http://eab.abime.net/
-jd
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I am surprised to see Amikit mentioned so late in this thread. Granted, Amikit is based on AmiAUE, but it adds many excellent files.
You must create your own ROM image - but this is very easy to do. Well worth looking into...
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I've owned and still have many Amigas from over the years (see sig), but I still got AF first 2006 then 2010. It's a great product. The emulation is almost perfect except for sound (Paula emulation). I still use Deluxe Music quite a bit. And it has trouble playing back those samples. Perhaps with faster machines, that will be overcome. Like others, I use AF to set up hard disks before putting them in the machine. AF helps because so much of my software is now in DMS format (which I did years ago to preserve them). It's much easier to install that way than with floppies (faster too). I've it with 1.3 on my A500, 3.9 on my A2500 and A1200.
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Well, didn't realize that this would open such a can of worms.
Thanks for all the input.
Will see what I can do with it all.
Regards,
W