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Amiga computer related discussion => General chat about Amiga topics => Topic started by: giZmo350 on September 03, 2011, 07:25:21 PM
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What might this be all about?
http://www.acube-systems.biz/
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I dunno, what might it be about?
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I see a boing ball and "500". I'm guessing they are going to release the X500?.
Maybe a lower end all in one keyboard version of the X1000?
What might this be all about?
http://www.acube-systems.biz/
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It could also be an Amiga-Pad - but a real one...
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I see a boing ball and "500". I'm guessing they are going to release the X500?.
Maybe a lower end all in one keyboard version of the X1000?
I know that A-Eon is in partnership with Hyperion but are you implying that A-Eon is in partnership with ACube? It seems that the X1000 is still a ways off (although I have seen pics of testers with actual boards). Based on the X1000 what type of machine would an X500 be? Or am I way off base here?
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Just a total wild guess on my part!. I have no real info. :)
I know that A-Eon is in partnership with Hyperion but are you implying that A-Eon is in partnership with ACube? It seems that the X1000 is still a ways off (although I have seen pics of testers with actual boards). Based on the X1000 what type of machine would an X500 be? Or am I way off base here?
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Just a total wild guess on my part!. I have no real info. :)
Maybe just a SAM board in "The Daddy's" X500 case?
If true, I would hope the case is extremely professionally manufactured.
http://www.amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=33880&forum=33&12
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It could also be an Amiga-Pad - but a real one...
You mean an X-Pad ? :D
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I'm not sure why companies need to build up expectations like this. The day they announce anything at all, the whole community will be talking about it anyway.
From what I can tell our imaginations kick into overdrive about some Amiga saving new wonder product so we can't help but be disappointed.
They should just release when it's ready and be done with it or tell us WTF it is a few weeks early so we can save our cash.
If they lead us on for a few weeks and then reveal some product that is 2 years off, they deserve all the flack they get.
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I first thought - well, they use the AMCC 460 in their current products.
So is there an AMCC 500 series chip? Turns out that currently there isn't.
Anyway, the AMCC 460ex actually uses a PowerPC 440 core. There is a PowerPC 460 core as well - the AMCC APM86190 uses two PowerPC 465 cores at up to 1.5GHz.
There is also a PowerPC 470 core, but it doesn't appear to be used in much. You can get quad-core at up to 2GHz or so on a 45nm process apparently.
It's only a couple of weeks away, probably best to wait to see what they're up to.
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What might this be all about?
http://www.acube-systems.biz/
While I like Acube I would suggest them to not do a "What is X" kind of stunt. That was just pathetic.
Anyway, Acube have the benefit of a good track record, I hope they keep track.
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gizmo
Well with the 500 and boing ball probably something fun. Lets hope its the x500 that would be pretty cool. I've always thought that the amiga wedge designs were the coolest amigas. besides, my first Amiga was a 500
@Zylsea
Yeah, that "what is X" is kind of embarassing now.. :(
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It's a FPGA Arcade Minimig in an A500 style case called the "Minimig 500", the later version with Jacub's 68060 board will be called the "Minimig 1200".
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or probably not. ;)
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I'm not sure why companies need to build up expectations like this. The day they announce anything at all, the whole community will be talking about it anyway.
From what I can tell our imaginations kick into overdrive about some Amiga saving new wonder product so we can't help but be disappointed.
They should just release when it's ready and be done with it or tell us WTF it is a few weeks early so we can save our cash.
If they lead us on for a few weeks and then reveal some product that is 2 years off, they deserve all the flack they get.
Unfortunately, the massive marketing industry has made these kinds of stupid shenanigans omnipresent, and apparently companies like A-Eon and now ACube have convinced themselves that if they want to play with the big companies, they have to squander time and money on stupid promo stunts like the big companies too :/
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It's a FPGA Arcade Minimig in an A500 style case called the "Minimig 500", the later version with Jacub's 68060 board will be called the "Minimig 1200".
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or probably not. ;)
I'd go for that!
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I think Acube will manufacture the X500+ case that was designed by TheDaddy to house their Sam460 boards, and in turn Hyperion/A-Eon have granted Acube rights to the AmigaOne name and Boing ball, so a new complete system will be launched based on the Sam460 called the AmigaOne X500.
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I'll like that was the sound drivers for the Sam460 and a graphic drivers for Ati boards, but it is one X500 or one Sam4xxx with the PPC CPU 500 also it is good.
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Whatever it is I hope it ships in 90 days or less, this whole announce something and then delay after delay is getting really old. It's an Amiga tradition best abandoned while there is at least some community left.
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That was just pathetic.
Why?
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From what I can tell our imaginations kick into overdrive about some Amiga saving new wonder product so we can't help but be disappointed.
Not me, I just assume it's going to be junk! Better to be pleasantly surprised than disappointed.
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They only announced a bit of hype.... as ever.
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They only announced a bit of hype.... as ever.
I'm sure Acube will deliver.... as ever.
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OK... overpriced hype.
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Not me, I just assume it's going to be junk! Better to be pleasantly surprised than disappointed.
I wish I had your self control ;)
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Why?
You're seriously asking? All this mystic bla bla for nothing but delays and hot air? Sure, you don't have to wait until summer. right, I don't wait for summer. It is over already - for the 2nd time since this "what is X" thing!
I am happy Acube usually don't do this stuff, but announce when they have something to announce, hence I am rather optimistic for this time. But with announcements like that you are just seeding high expectations. Acube will probably have a hard time to meet these expectations, because I doubt they will show off the X500 tablet convertable laptop with a dual core 2Ghz+ processor tat also houses an fpga which delivers a Natami expansion with OS supporting SMP, MP and transparent legacy compability.
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I'm guessing another tablet. :/
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This isn't Amiga Inc so I kind of like to be given a hint that something cool will come and have something to look forward to. It isn't that far off either and depending on the company you'll know if they deliver or not.
Also even if they shouldn't deliver (I'm sure they will) so what? Even if that happened it wouldn't be the end of the world.
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ACube has traditionally been pretty good about not writing checks their asses can't cash, if you catch my meaning.
Likely nothing I am interested in, but they are usually not the types to hype the hell out of things and not deliver, even if their products aren't for you.
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AGA Minimig?
Well, not long and we will find out.
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i say it's a Sam460ex in The Daddy's custom case & with Hyperion's blessing it will named the AmigaOne X500
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Maybe it'll be a tie with the Amiga boing ball on it?
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Probably a coincidence...
Viscorp : "We take final possession of Amiga technology and rights on September 19th. We are here now to develop our strategies and find out what the users want. Check our web site for more developments."
Look at the date...Maybe I took the wrong one :)
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More dates on the 25th anniversary video by Rogue.
What I would do is an X86 Amiga with AROS and the AROS kickstart before C=USA release its Amiga lines. Just because people buy that stuff, and the money earned from it could fuel real Amiga projects. (ie OS 4.x and its HW)
Doing so Acube will cannibalize its Sam HW so its surely not that.
Sam with minimig core in its FPGA would be cool if possible, it could also be an Amiga HW emulation in software within OS4, trapping HW calls and mapping them to the underlying HW. (ex using pixel shaders for copper...)
Low price X1000 make a lot of sense but it'll also lower the interest of the X1000 too early I think.
A deal with Jens for CloneA? too early too since I suppose the 19th will be the launch date.
Kamel
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well seeing as the latest sam is the 460 i guess 500 would be sam with a faster cpu
or it chould be somone at acubes lunch list
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Low price X1000 make a lot of sense but it'll also lower the interest of the X1000 too early I think.
Lowering the price would reduce interest? How does that work? This isn't 100-year-old port wine we're talking here, anything that could bring the price down from "mid-range wall-sized flat-screen TV" to something even halfway closer to the world of "hobby computer purchase" could only help, interest-wise.
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I agree.
Lets make an announcement and maybe 2 years later release it.
Whatever it is I hope it ships in 90 days or less, this whole announce something and then delay after delay is getting really old. It's an Amiga tradition best abandoned while there is at least some community left.
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Lowering the price would reduce interest? How does that work? This isn't 100-year-old port wine we're talking here, anything that could bring the price down from "mid-range wall-sized flat-screen TV" to something even halfway closer to the world of "hobby computer purchase" could only help, interest-wise.
I meant an Affordable X500, like the A500 compared to the A1000.
kamek
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13 days to go.
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I meant an Affordable X500, like the A500 compared to the A1000.
kamek
Well, you'll kindly note that the Amiga only really took off when the 500 was released as it provided the same (actually, slightly improved) technology at a lower cost. If by "X500" you mean something along the lines of the X1000's tech at a more affordable price, who cares if it overshadows the original? Let it!
(Not saying that's likely, but theoretically speaking, I wouldn't shed any tears if an affordable PA6T system stole its thunder.)
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Well, you'll kindly note that the Amiga only really took off when the 500 was released as it provided the same (actually, slightly improved) technology at a lower cost. If by "X500" you mean something along the lines of the X1000's tech at a more affordable price, who cares if it overshadows the original? Let it!
(Not saying that's likely, but theoretically speaking, I wouldn't shed any tears if an affordable PA6T system stole its thunder.)
I suppose that nobody care except the ones who put their money on th X1000.
but yet again they said that the SAM line of computers are kind of an entry level Amiga NG. But I agree the price for now is too high for many.
Kamel
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A sub £300 system would be nice. Just a plain box with a bunch of USB connections, a DVI out, wifi, a few gig of ram and a hard disk would do quite nicely...
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Don't you see Kitty's eye in that picture?
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More joysticks? :D
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NO No! As long as it's not a DiscreetFX secret annoucement we might see something real come out of this! ;)
More joysticks? :D
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Alright, next guess...
The long lost next incarnation of Amithlon will finally be released and will be compatible with Touch Screen Devices!
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That would be awesome.
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Whatever it is I hope it ships in 90 days or less, this whole announce something and then delay after delay is getting really old. It's an Amiga tradition best abandoned while there is at least some community left.
I agree, but at least ACube has proven to be pretty reliable unlike every other company associated with the whole OS4 debacle. I expect to see whatever it is available on the 19th and not just an announcement of something.
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Or maybe a Boing ball signed by Hunter S. Thompson? ;)
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I hope it will be a new product sold at a fair price.
It is a weird coincidence as I have been seriously considering buying myself a SAM460 this month but now I have to wait september 19th before deciding anything just in case this "secret" would be a new Amiga compatible system with specs/price I would prefer.
Acube! You teases, tell me what it is! :)
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I agree, but at least ACube has proven to be pretty reliable unlike every other company associated with the whole OS4 debacle. I expect to see whatever it is available on the 19th and not just an announcement of something.
What if it's a port of MorphOS to the SAM series of boards?
The BAF's would be in uproar! ;)
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It is a weird coincidence as I have been seriously considering buying myself a SAM460 this month but now I have to wait september 19th before deciding anything just in case this "secret" would be a new Amiga compatible system with specs/price I would prefer.
So in this case they have actually hurt sales with this tactic.
Does no one remember Osborne anymore?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osborne_Effect
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@Heiroglyph: Lol probably not but purchase is suspended for now until I know... Plus I can't really figure why I have started to be so interested in the SAM460.....a couple of weeks ago I was still convinced it was overpriced and useless for my use.
Since I saw that movie on youtube showing the 460 in action,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3JbzW3l-NE
it kinda raised my interest by a notch :)
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Plus I can't really figure why I have started to be so interested in the SAM460.....a couple of weeks ago I was still convinced it was overpriced and useless for my use.
Since I saw that movie on youtube showing the 460 in action,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3JbzW3l-NE
it kinda raised my interest by a notch :)
I wonder why more Amiga advertisement isn't done this way?
I'm pretty jaded and as simple (and slow) as that video was, I have to say that I'm more interested after seeing it than I was before.
I'm not ready to drop a grand on one, but it is a bit more appealing.
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Hope it is about 250€ mobo with OS4 support.
I wouldn't care specs, unless if they are below 300mhz
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ACube Secret Revealed!
http://www.acube-systems.biz/index.php?page=hardware&pid=7
(http://www.acube-systems.biz/common/image/hardware/amigaone500_image.jpg)
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Meh. Mac and MorphOS still looks like the better option. Crazy high prices, sheesh!
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Wow! A SAM 460 in a box with an "official" Amiga logo and mouse. That's worth twice what the parts would cost individually! I imagine the lines are forming now as this runs an AmigaOS unlike the best efforts of Amiga Inc. It probably took much longer than sticking an official Amiga sticker on it too ;).
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So in this case they have actually hurt sales with this tactic.
Does no one remember Osborne anymore?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osborne_Effect
Everybody knows the Osborne Effect is a load of bollocks.
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$1,199.58 U.S. Dollars plus $54.65 for a video card (optional) and you add your own keyboard and mouse.
Considering what the X1000 is going to cost when it is released, I guess there will be several AmigaOS4.x users that will like this "lower cost" option.
If there were no other alternatives, I might consider spending that kind of money to run the latest AmigaOS4.x, but with MorphOS2.x and AROS and UAE being in the current state that they are in, I can't justify spending that much money just for the chance to run OS4.
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That case is ugly as sin.
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ACube Secret Revealed!
So what it all was about, was a bundle for their Sam460 board, containing a pre-selected case, mouse, HDD/DVD with SATA controller card, RAM, logotype stickers and a T-shirt, for EUR €1,062 (+EUR €45 for a graphics card, to make it usable ~ EUR €1,100)?
OK...
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Well if someone buys that they're crazy. All that cash and the video card is optional, not only that it's an outdated card?
Far better things to spend money on i.e. fpga arcade/minimig/natami.
I love the Amiga, but this isn't the right way to do it.
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All I'll say is I do hope they don't stop selling the motherboards, and go exclusively down this route.
The Amigakit announcement of the lower prices on Sams seems to make sense in the context.
The case isn't that bad in my book, but what the market needs is better value for money, not large markups on pre-built systems lowering value for money further.
All the same, best of luck.
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holly ****, over £1,000 , for that
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What a complete rip off!
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I don't mind the (high) price. What bothers me is the 2 week wait for such a boring and unneccessary marketing scam.
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Bad marketing, people were actually expecting something. Sad really.
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My favorite part:
If you ever used the old Amiga 500 you will find that the new AmigaOne 500 takes this legacy to a new level: extra speed, modern interfaces (DDR2 memory, USB2, PCI Express, SATA2, Gigabit ethernet), onboard sound, faster graphics, the most up to date Amiga Operating System. These are just a few of the features you will get by purchasing the AmigaOne 500.
LOL. This thing has **** all to do with any of the original Amiga's much less the 500.
These guys just don't get it.
And yeah, that case is ugly as sin. Its like a $30 case.
I would rather drop the cash on a FPGA Arcade or NatAmi.
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Duplicate post/ISP flaky.
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SAM460 Motherboard prices....
1.15 Ghz CPU + OS4: 705,00 EUR (853.05 EUR including VAT where applicable)
OR
CPU 1 Ghz,512 MB DDR2,AmigaOS4.1 included: EUR 664 (803.44 EUR including VAT where applicable).
Problem is not the case choice.
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Case choice aside, I'm more curious about what ACube's use of the AmigaOne name might mean. Consider that A-eon is also using the AmigaOne name, and that many hypothesized that if the X1000 was successful A-eon might follow up with a less expensive AmigaOne X500. It wouldn't make any sense to have an AmigaOne 500 and an AmigaOne X500.
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Case choice aside, I'm more curious about what ACube's use of the AmigaOne name might mean. Consider that A-eon is also using the AmigaOne name, and that many hypothesized that if the X1000 was successful A-eon might follow up with a less expensive AmigaOne X500. It wouldn't make any sense to have an AmigaOne 500 and an AmigaOne X500.
At least it is causing name confusion for that other Commodore want to be company.
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I guess the red team is trying to get the naming conventions on their machines to line up as if it was one company. Not a bad idea really since nobody can afford to make an entire product line.
It's just kind of sad that the low end "500" is $1200.
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And spec'd like a low end tablet...
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Case choice aside, I'm more curious about what ACube's use of the AmigaOne name might mean. Consider that A-eon is also using the AmigaOne name, and that many hypothesized that if the X1000 was successful A-eon might follow up with a less expensive AmigaOne X500. It wouldn't make any sense to have an AmigaOne 500 and an AmigaOne X500.
I guess it can be called "AmigaOne X600" then? ;) Not that I think it will ever come that far...
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I guess the red team is trying to get the naming conventions on their machines to line up as if it was one company. Not a bad idea really since nobody can afford to make an entire product line.
Completely pointless, since all the potential customers (the people on amiga.org and amigaworld.net) already knows the difference. It's "the Emperor's new clothes" in that regard - everyone sees the truth but themselves. Especially so if you say crap things like "If you ever used the old Amiga 500 you will find that the new AmigaOne 500 takes this legacy to a new level" like broken pointed out above, I mean, who do they think they are fooling?
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Completely pointless, since all the potential customers (the people on amiga.org and amigaworld.net) already knows the difference. It's "the Emperor's new clothes" in that regard - everyone sees the truth but themselves. Especially so if you say crap things like "If you ever used the old Amiga 500 you will find that the new AmigaOne 500 takes this legacy to a new level" like broken pointed out above, I mean, who do they think they are fooling?
What you fail to see is that the X1000 will spark a new interest in OS4 outside the community. After all, those people have been silently waiting to buy a complete system running OS4 with the Amiga name attached. Once the X1000 is out of beta a flood of new users will appear, but not all will have the $3000 needed for an X1000. The AmigaOne 500 is for those millions of new users.
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amigaone 500... its serious? come on, at least make a desktop case acube... crappy.
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I seriously doubt there's some kind of barely-suppressed cultural longing for a pricy PPC board that underperforms used Macs and runs an OS based on one that most people who used the Amiga probably never even bothered with, but not any of the games.