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Amiga.org specific forums => Amiga.org Discussion and Site Feedback => Topic started by: Argo on September 02, 2011, 07:09:03 PM
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if you mean Wayne I doubt he would do this.
We moved to new servers about a month ago. He does not have access to those. Plus his account here has been wiped of all but his posts.
We mods don't have server access nor access to a block list through vBulletin. Might be the same issue that was causing Franko password issues. I don't know. If some one did hack in. They don't like Franko, pretty short list on that. Also, a good reason to make sure that Apache, MySQL, PHP, and vBulletin are all up to date with current releases. At least no one has tried taking down the site. Assuming that it is a security hole issue. I just can't see any reason to block a whole ISP's address range.
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If some one did hack in. They don't like Franko, pretty short list on that.
Interesting. You have someone specific in mind?
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Interesting. You have someone specific in mind?
Have you been naughty Piru?
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Problem should be fixed, please test and report back.
Considering all the wild accusations being made, it'd be really interesting to know what caused this blokade.
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Stay on-topic folks.
I shall be moving the off-topic discussion to another thread shortly. Please stand by...
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Continue here, if you please.
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Considering all the wild accusations being made, it'd be really interesting to know what caused this blokade.
I thought this was quite valid and on topic question and the answer would probably had been interesting for wider audience than just CF.
But oh well. It's quite unlikely we get any kind of response now.
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I blame it all on the Hal computer.
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Considering all the wild accusations being made, it'd be really interesting to know what caused this blokade.
My conspiracy theory hat is now on:
Piru (you are Piru) is responsible for this in an attempt to ban his nemesis Franko. This can be seen in Pirus (you are Piru) attempt at deflecting to avoid suspicion by saying things like the above quote :idea:
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My conspiracy theory hat is now on:
Piru (you are Piru) is responsible for this in an attempt to ban his nemesis Franko. This can be seen in Pirus (you are Piru) attempt at deflecting to avoid suspicion by saying things like the above quote :idea:
That sounded suspiciously like the guy in your Avatar. :)
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Well, since we're all playing Cluedo, My take:
The class C ban was already in effect for a long time. Certainly there was some mention of it when a certain member (like you can't tell who) was permanently banned some time back.
Some time later, but before the hosting upgrade (I think) a Sky ISP user on aw.net (Amigaone Productions, IIRC) reported being blocked. I wasn't able to sort it out as the built-in IP ban tools are not available to moderators and suggested he use a proxy. I can't find that thread right now, but if I do, I'll post a link.
It seems that nobody really made a big deal out of it since then. I believe the issue kicked off again due to comments made on this thread...
http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=34172&forum=2
... particularly Steve's comment here:
Well, it would have to be AWN for me. I used to visit others (I still go to EAB), but A.O with it's lovely ban on my ISP has rendered my visits to the site impossible
It was my understanding that whatever restrictions had been put in place to keep the aforementioned member banned were overturned in their entirety when he was permitted to return. I'd have to do some IP address checks, but it could just be that he was using a proxy once his ban was lifted and the IP address range ban was never revoked. More likely, it was probably just forgotten about - certainly the admin seemed unaware.
I don't see any evidence to suggest that someone has broken in and added this IP ban recently.
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I thought this was quite valid and on topic question and the answer would probably had been interesting for wider audience than just CF.
But oh well. It's quite unlikely we get any kind of response now.
That's actually a fair point. I've moved it back to the same forum, but still want to keep the original (now sticky) thread free from trouble.
Sorry for the musical chairs...
As you were.
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Just a stupid question: amiga.org does have an audit log for all administrative actions?
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Just a stupid question: amiga.org does have an audit log for all administrative actions?
More deflecting...
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Considering all the wild accusations being made, it'd be really interesting to know what caused this blokade.
If neither the moderators nor Wayne do have the necessary privileges to implement an IP ban, there are only two suspects left: the two six year olds who bought amiga.org to conduct a field experiment on how not to run a community website.
Given their history when it comes to explaining things (like mentioning their names in public), I wouldn't hold my breath for an explanation.
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Just a stupid question: amiga.org does have an audit log for all administrative actions?
Well, the site, like all vB installations, has two administrative tiers. The first is a control panel for moderators, which allows access to various tools pertinent to basic forum moderation. The second is a control panel for administrators only and provides control over the site, 3rd party modules. Any admin/moderator activity logging would be in there.
I don't really get involved with anything beyond basic moderation, except when there are security threats or major software bugs on the site that I've looked into. I retain an FTP account that has access the site's web root for that. Naturally all access through that will be logged by ftpd.
The last time I used it was to check for alterations made to key files that would are the usual target of any code injection attack against the forum software. Prior to that, it was disabling the experimental cache (some time ago now) and before that, that bloody eval() bug.
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I realise people may have strong views about the admins, moderators, other members and what not. However, direct personal attacks on any of the above won't be tolerated.
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I agree. For the most part the mods do a good job and i don't really think the admins can be criticised either. I mean, if they never bought this site off Wayne this site would probably have been shut down. The admins did us a favor.
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Well, since we're all playing Cluedo, My take:
The class C ban was already in effect for a long time. Certainly there was some mention of it when a certain member (like you can't tell who) was permanently banned some time back.
Some time later, but before the hosting upgrade (I think) a Sky ISP user on aw.net (Amigaone Productions, IIRC) reported being blocked. I wasn't able to sort it out as the built-in IP ban tools are not available to moderators and suggested he use a proxy. I can't find that thread right now, but if I do, I'll post a link.
It seems that nobody really made a big deal out of it since then. I believe the issue kicked off again due to comments made on this thread...
http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=34172&forum=2
... particularly Steve's comment here:
It was my understanding that whatever restrictions had been put in place to keep the aforementioned member banned were overturned in their entirety when he was permitted to return. I'd have to do some IP address checks, but it could just be that he was using a proxy once his ban was lifted and the IP address range ban was never revoked. More likely, it was probably just forgotten about - certainly the admin seemed unaware.
I don't see any evidence to suggest that someone has broken in and added this IP ban recently.
Your post on the earlier issue implies a connection to SKY only, which would be misleading as to cause.
I was affected in the U.S. (http://www.amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=33897&forum=2&start=20&viewmode=flat&order=0#621790)
Your reply followed.
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I'd say this drama is popcorn-worthy, but I'm on a diet, so it'll have to be :VLCD-shake: instead.
My opinion: Why would anyone even care so much about anyone on this board that they'd commit a fairly serious offence (depending on his/her country of residence, of course) just to ban their IP range?
It doesn't make sense.
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Your post on the earlier issue implies a connection to SKY only, which would be misleading as to cause.
I was affected in the U.S. (http://www.amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=33897&forum=2&start=20&viewmode=flat&order=0#621790)
Your reply followed.
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Obviously an unrelated issue, site performance vs IP block..
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Your post on the earlier issue implies a connection to SKY only, which would be misleading as to cause.
I was affected in the U.S. (http://www.amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=33897&forum=2&start=20&viewmode=flat&order=0#621790)
Your reply followed.
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Actually, my site cacheing experiment caused a lot of problems when the cache got flooded with IP ban notifications caused by unwelcome bots attempting to spider the site. That was the main reason I abandoned it and haven't sought to reimplement it since.
The directory containing the cached content jumped from about 30MB to 700MB in an hour or so and every page appeared to be blocked, except to users that were logged in. I am pretty sure I apologised for that here on the site somewhere.
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Oh, and on the last post of the thread you linked too.
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Found it. See here: http://www.amiga.org/forums/showpost.php?p=649229&postcount=40
The ban notifications weren't genuine. Or rather they were, but they weren't for your IP. You were seeing (cached copies of) pages that were generated when an unwanted bot tried to trawl old links. As there was no way of fixing the cache to check for IP bans without accessing the database (which at the time was the cause of a lot of our performance problems), I had to do away with the idea all together.
Fortunately, the hosting got updated not long later.
The idea was ok, but implementation was another matter. I believe the front page "top 10" stats stuff is still cached though. Read the thread the post was from to find out more.
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I live in hope that one day this place will once again be full of Amiga related topics and not amateur dramatics...........
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I live in hope that one day this place will once again be full of Amiga related topics and not amateur dramatics...........
If you start it, they will come...
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If you start it, they will come...
Well I have a few idea for projects but until I get the A3K back up and running they are on the back burner. The new baby is due any day now too.
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The new baby is due any day now too.
I think you can kiss goodbye to any projects after s/he arrives :lol:
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Here's my theory:
Karlos, Wayne, Piru, Franko, Smerf, are all the same person.
But it wasn't always that way...
It was the year 1999. In a last hurrah, those individuals had dialed into one of the last BBS around with their amigas. Little beknownst to them, the Icelandic Front for the Pickling of More Strange Fish had just perfected a new deep atomic method for fish preservation. They flipped the master switch and aimed at a large barrel of haddock when something went terribly awry. Instead of hitting the barrel, it hit their A2000, which had been serving up that very BBS the other forementioneds were dialed into. when the dust had cleared, there standing before them, was a gnarly multi-appendaged conglomerate of persons all terribly knowledgeable about amigas and other assorted computer topics. These Icelanders knew that the only way to keep the world safe from their terrible sad knowledge was to build a server room about them and tap them constantly into the new internet to prevent the spread of FUD concerning the holy trinity of AOS/MORPHOS/AROS.
And that is how Amiga.org banned Skynet from taking over and sending a termination unit back to the past to kill Sarah Connor.
The end.
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The end.
And I would have gotten away with it too if it weren't for you pesky kids!
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Exterminate... Exterminate... Exterminate...
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More deflecting...
Actually, I should just say that Piru exposed a potentially serious JS exploit in one of the site's 3rd party modules not long after we moved to vbulletin. It was all handled calmly and professionally via the bug reporting system/PM and without any alarmist scaremongering. Even as he was contacting the authors, I fixed the issue in place so that any potential XSS hole it would have opened was closed.
In doing so, he helped make the site a safer place for everyone.
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Actually, I should just say that Piru exposed a potentially serious JS exploit in one of the site's 3rd party modules
Ah!!
So you admit Piru hacked the site..
Hmmm..
Now it all makes sense...
(dun dun dun......)
er..
actually.. no.. it doesn't, but it just felt like the right thing to say there.. :roflmao:
desiv
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I haven't been following this site for a while. Why does Piru not like Franko?
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I haven't been following this site for a while. Why does Piru not like Franko?
Well, if you followed my story, its because haggis eating in even a well ventilated Icelandic server room is still an awful thing to deal with since 1999...
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I haven't been following this site for a while. Why does Piru not like Franko?
I can't speak for Piru of course, but it's quite possibly because he hijacks other people's threads, fills them with rubbish, insists upon shouting out his opinion even when it is proved incorrect or inaccurate by fact, and just generally annoys people with his jibber jabber. :griping:
By the way, I'm a sky customer and I am also affected by the IP ban. If I try to visit the site without using a proxy, I am presented with a message that says my IP address has been banned. This has only happened recently, within the last couple of days.
AH.
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Where is that slimey git it's been over a week now...
Conspiracy hat now back on. I still think it was Piru...
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Who knows how far the ban has been laid on, considering the fallout here and then the spillover onto Moobunny. Methinks with the bridge burnt with Karlos there aren't many on the mod side that will stand up for the old crazy scotsman now.
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Franko and Magnetic have both earned a permanent ban for multiple violations of the TOS, refusing to heed multiple warnings and behave like adults.
The decision to permanently ban a member is never taken lightly, however, in this case we weren't left with much choice.
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So when did it go from "banned for a week" to "perma-ban?"
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I'm sorry to hear about Magnetic
when not having his family insulted by crazy people he can actually be a very useful member of any board
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Is Magnetic user Realize on AWN?
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So when did it go from "banned for a week" to "perma-ban?"
I'm betting after the tenth or so time neither of the two would quit behaving poorly after bans.
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Is Magnetic user Realize on AWN?
Yes.
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I'm sorry to hear about Magnetic
when not having his family insulted by crazy people he can actually be a very useful member of any board
In the ten years i've been coming here I haven't seen a single post by him that was helpful to another user.
Not one.
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I'm sorry to hear about Magnetic
when not having his family insulted by crazy people he can actually be a very useful member of any board
Hmmm... I don't recall any particular instance where he was useful... If he was, that memory has been smothered beneath the constant seemingly deliberate provocations, followed by pleading innocence.
The place is nice and peaceful without Franko too :) Though at least he could be entertaining the odd time.
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Hmmm... I don't recall any particular instance where he was useful... If he was, that memory has been smothered beneath the constant seemingly deliberate provocations, followed by pleading innocence.
This. magnetic was 50% troll and 50% zealot and 0% any fun to be around. I miss Franko, though.
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It does not surprise me to see the few Franko fans coming to his defense, but I for one will not miss him one bit. He caused more grief and conflict than his rare posts of help were worth. No doubt there will be fewer defenders of magnetic, except perhaps from some of the real long term members here that remember him differently.
I don't know why magnetic could not control himself and tune out the constant source of irritation by using the "Ignore User" function of these forums the way I and others did, but I understood his frustration. He was not always confrontational and "no fun to be around" before Franko showed up here. He was once a source of information and more active. That was long before his crusade against Franko began.
Still, I can't blame the Admins here for doing what they did. Both members had become out of control. I hope it serves as a warning to others that try to stir up trouble and won't heed the warnings of moderators.
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Off-topic post in an off-topic thread:
Firefox updated Greasemonkey to 0.9.11. That version finally works. The only modification I had to make to Piru's script was:
- elm[i].getAttribute("style") == "width:100%; text-align:left")
+ elm[i].getAttribute("style") == "width: 100%; text-align: left;")
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Off-topic post in an off-topic thread:
Firefox updated Greasemonkey to 0.9.11. That version finally works. The only modification I had to make to Piru's script was:
- elm[i].getAttribute("style") == "width:100%; text-align:left")
+ elm[i].getAttribute("style") == "width: 100%; text-align: left;")
I would use a regular expression match rather than ==, since then you can use \s* for the whitespace above. There are probably better ways to match the containing div than this though.
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Wait, this ban that's affecting a good number of people is *STILL* in effect?
I thought Wayne was the one that did it to get rid of Franko? If so, Wayne is long gone, why hasn't this been fixed yet? Certainly there has to be someone other than the benevolent hewhocannotbenamed benefactor owner of A.org that could have sorted this out when it came to light ages ago, lol.
Meh, sloppy nonsense. Just like the discreetfx.com Kryptik trojan that's still there. Sorry to pick nits, but it doesn't inspire confidence among the userbase. While A.org is a free service, it's offputting to see security or other odd admin issues go completely unchecked for virtually months. :confused:
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Wait, this ban that's affecting a good number of people is *STILL* in effect?
There should be no broad IP range bans still in effect, only specific addresses and a few subnets that have been responsible for attempted hacks / bots.
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I'm sorry to hear about Magnetic
when not having his family insulted by crazy people he can actually be a very useful member of any board
+1
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This. magnetic was 50% troll and 50% zealot and 0% any fun to be around. I miss Franko, though.
You forgot 25% "sell your amiga stuff to me instead and it totally wont be resold on ebay"
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Conspiracy hat now back on. I still think it was Piru...
Conspiracy hat on, I think Franko and Kesa are the same person.
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You forgot 25% "sell your amiga stuff to me instead and it totally wont be resold on ebay"
Ooh, I hadn't even heard of that. What fun.
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You forgot 25% "sell your amiga stuff to me instead and it totally wont be resold on ebay"
I believe he uses several different Ebay user names. He is also permanently banned from amibay too.
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You forgot 25% "sell your amiga stuff to me instead and it totally wont be resold on ebay"
Not to mention the countless times he tried to jumped sale queues, i still remember the 1260 he tried to claim jump me out of. As for helpful I don't think so i have never seen a post by him since i got here where he actually help someone.
Too bad about Franko, all you had to do is take most things not amiga related with a grain of salt... :D
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Well, they're gone now.
I'm much more interested to know if any Sky customers are still having problems.
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Karlos, Transition, Argo, Pyro et al
Guys I've been a member of aorg (magnetic) almost 10 years now. THE ONLY ban/infraction Ever in my history was from Jgolden a new mod about my bouts with Franko (understandable) I had a 3 day post ban, I immediately wrote him a PM apologizing and telling him I would stop, which i did.
Can you please explain to me why in the world you guys would life ban a former amiga dealer? After only 1 warning and never been previously banned? I know they are people out of for me because of my aggressive posts on Franko who threatened me bodily several times and my vocal opinions on the amiga/hyperion situation.
How can you not possibly say this was extermely heavy handed and fascist? This is NOT what Aorg is about. I actually defend Aorg on aw.net and EAB all the time.. then I go to log in and am life banned? I couldnt even get my PMs which were transactions and trades I was doing with other members. To think i am on aw.net where i'm a bad guy and am banned for life here? for what?
I put a call in to Discreet FX to speak in directly with the site owner Bill P (and actually discreet are former magnetic systems customers) I'm in over 5 USA Amiga user groups and really dont think this is fair treatment at all :((
After I apologized to Jgolden I did NOT attack Franko or anyone lelse in a manner to violate the TOC and took the warning seriously.. Then suddenly I challenge Ben H of Hyperion completly in line with the TOS and next day I'm banned??? this is not right, not in the amiga world. How many times have other members had bans/infractions and still are here? How many times did Franko or Doomy get banned? What is this really?
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Well seeing you came back on your hands and knees i have no choice but to forgive you. Here's a hug *HUG* :knuddel:
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Its amazing how you guys internet stalk people and expose their real names. Can you mods being so aggressive please remove my real name from this thread?
@ Karlos I re-read your post about "many warnings ignored" i got 1 warning from u, i let off, then Jgolden 3 day banned me when i went up with Franko again and then life banned.
As far as you guys questioning my integrity with amiga sales or buying things here and reselling them, its quite immature and non factual... as to the guy that cries about my jumping on a thread about the 1260 board (n ow a life enemy what a loser!) the seller stat3ed CLEARLY NO INTERNATIONAL BUYERS i was in SAME STATE re read the thread and act like an adult.
To Cecilia, takemehome, amigadave thanks for the nice words.. its obvious the other franko files and non productive users that are slandering my name are either fanboys, or just post here just becuase and are bored and havent bought anything amiga or contributed to the community in any way.
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oh and to have you guys slag off Piru and see he hacks the site and forums is completely insanse and stupid. It just goes to highlight who the real trolls are and why the amiga community is such a mess. All of you clueless imature fanboys should be THANKFUL that a developer of Piru's quality posts here. You guys have pretty much chased everyone else out productive. (notice almost nobody who is or was anyone in amigaland posts here now? )
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I've banned you multiple times for multiple days at a time in the last 6+ month in your vendetta against Franko.
Goodbye!
P.S. you are violating two of the big rules right now!
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@ Karlos I re-read your post about "many warnings ignored" i got 1 warning from u,
One warning is all most people ever get when it comes to being asked nicely to behave. As the TOS always said "We almost always give warnings, but never to the same person twice."
i let off, then Jgolden 3 day banned me when i went up with Franko again and then life banned.
The problem is you just kept on goading and he always reacted, as you knew he would. Don't play victim here, you were out to push his one button every time you saw him. I warned you both by PM to knock it off and you didn't.
oh and to have you guys slag off Piru and see he hacks the site and forums is completely insanse and stupid. It just goes to highlight who the real trolls are and why the amiga community is such a mess. All of you clueless imature fanboys should be THANKFUL that a developer of Piru's quality posts here
Nobody is accusing Piru of anything. Well, aside from Kesa and somehow I don't think he's serious.
Claims about the site being hacked were made by your sparring partner, so should probably be taken with a pinch of salt. That said, we have to take all claims seriously and they are being investigated.
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Nobody is accusing Piru of anything. Well, aside from Kesa and somehow I don't think he's serious.
You guessed right (just don't tell Piru. I don't think he knows).
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To be fair I have not seen magnetics posts with Franko, but franko was and is a complete ****tard
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To be fair I have not seen magnetics posts with Franko, but franko was and is a complete ****tard
And I would say the same about magnetic.
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There we go then.... site better all round
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@JJ
Well, the moderation mailing list is certainly quieter.
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I bet :)