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Operating System Specific Discussions => MorphOS => MorphOS -- Application questions and support => Topic started by: save2600 on September 01, 2011, 03:51:27 AM
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Last two months or so, my system has become a completely useless unstable POS. Seemed to happen when I "upgraded" to the latest OWB come to think of it. System crashes at every turn, and I'm only dealing with Facebook, Youtube (under their HTML 5 bull****, which still sucked) and umm... maybe the occasional A.org or AtariAge drop in. Nothing too heavy duty here. Truth be told, I'm no longer in the mood nor am I tolerant of such horse****. Especially when having tech industry geek friends over, trying to sell them on this alternative crap.
Anyone want to take this G4 MacMini and Morph OS license off my hands? All of it's worth $225. I SWEAR it is! :lol:
At the very least, I'd a copy of MacOS 10.4 to put back on this MacMini. Since I already sprung for the MorphOS license, anyone wanna do a swap of sorts?
My apologies to the MorphOS team if it's just OWB wrecking my system, but like I said - I only just want to deal with stuff that works from here on out.
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does morphos play flash videos?!?
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Using the ever buggy site dependent HTML 5 protocol it will. But watch a video or two and expect problems. Incredible slowdown of the system. Lag, audio not maching video and eventual systemOS crawl/crash.
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Using the ever buggy site dependent HTML 5 protocol it will. But watch a video or two and expect problems. Incredible slowdown of the system. Lag, audio not maching video and eventual systemOS crawl/crash.
**** that.
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Especially when having tech industry geek friends over, trying to sell them on this alternative crap.
Errr.. what? That's a no-go, not even the tech industry geeks here on this site are buying it :laughing:
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Why you buy the license then?
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Last two months or so, my system has become a completely useless unstable POS. Seemed to happen when I "upgraded" to the latest OWB come to think of it. System crashes at every turn, and I'm only dealing with Facebook, Youtube (under their HTML 5 bull****, which still sucked) and umm... maybe the occasional A.org or AtariAge drop in. Nothing too heavy duty here. Truth be told, I'm no longer in the mood nor am I tolerant of such horse****. Especially when having tech industry geek friends over, trying to sell them on this alternative crap.
Anyone want to take this G4 MacMini and Morph OS license off my hands? All of it's worth $225. I SWEAR it is! :lol:
At the very least, I'd a copy of MacOS 10.4 to put back on this MacMini. Since I already sprung for the MorphOS license, anyone wanna do a swap of sorts?
My apologies to the MorphOS team if it's just OWB wrecking my system, but like I said - I only just want to deal with stuff that works from here on out.
If it ran on a Sam or X1000 I'd think about it.
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Why you buy the license then?
Because he thought it would work better for him? :confused:
desiv
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With a 30mins demo you can test the "complex" facebook or youtube on it.
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Hey Save, I'll let you in on a little secret. OSX Leopard on a 1.5GHz PPC MacMini does the exact same thing! :hammer:
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........ I only just want to deal with stuff that works from here on out.
And what computer OS that is capable of running lots of Amiga programs, has a small amount of, but good quality native software library, can view YouTube videos and web browse all of the sites you want to visit, and still fits into your "stuff that works from here on out" specification? If you really want an OS that "works from here on out", you can try MacOSX on your G4 MacMini, but it also has it's good and bad sides, every OS does.
Sorry you are having a bad experience with MorphOS2.7. Have you even tried to get some advice, or help from the MorphOS community? I have not seen you post any messages on MorphZone.org.
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My apologies to the MorphOS team if it's just OWB wrecking my system, but like I said - I only just want to deal with stuff that works from here on out.
There is at least one prominent MorphOS team member active on this website that should be able to advise you on your problem, however it might be an idea
to change the title of your thread and add some words like, OS4, X1000, Hyperion, Ben Hermans to get his attention.
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Last two months or so, my system has become a completely useless unstable POS. Seemed to happen when I "upgraded" to the latest OWB come to think of it. System crashes at every turn, and I'm only dealing with Facebook, Youtube (under their HTML 5 bull****, which still sucked) and umm... maybe the occasional A.org or AtariAge drop in. Nothing too heavy duty here. Truth be told, I'm no longer in the mood nor am I tolerant of such horse****. Especially when having tech industry geek friends over, trying to sell them on this alternative crap.
Anyone want to take this G4 MacMini and Morph OS license off my hands? All of it's worth $225. I SWEAR it is! :lol:
At the very least, I'd a copy of MacOS 10.4 to put back on this MacMini. Since I already sprung for the MorphOS license, anyone wanna do a swap of sorts?
My apologies to the MorphOS team if it's just OWB wrecking my system, but like I said - I only just want to deal with stuff that works from here on out.
Sorry to hear that, perhaps it's due to configuration problems. I have multiple tabs opened, gmail, youtube, amiga.org, morphzone, and never run into that problems.
BTW, MorphOS is not OWB and OWB is not MorphOS. Did you use the youtube.js and youtube_fullscreen.js scripts? it will make youtube fly. Youtube runs much smoother than it does on OSX on my powerbook G4/1.67 with twice gfx mem. It's as smooth as any other pc I tried. Sound is synchronized but default quality works perfect. I don't have bandwitch to watch the highest quality videos anyway.
If you had problems with that OWB version why you didn't downgrade to the previous version? You could try to delete old cookies, perhaps these caused some problem with gmail but making OWB crash never.
I use tabs instead of windows, a separate screen without enhanced display (so I have desktop with full enhanced display and OWB on his separate 24bit screen without it and it runs way faster than Firefox or Safari on OSX).
Don't know what's the problem with your machine but you should ask earlier, no need to get frustrated. Join MorphZone and feel free to ask.
Did you try anything else than OWB? There are plenty of apps you can run, if you are interested on watching videos MPlayer is the best video player for MorphOS.
If you don't find a buyer I will ask some friends but IMHO you should relax, ask questions and try to find the problems instead of getting nervous.
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there is at least one prominent morphos team member active on this website that should be able to advise you on your problem, however it might be an idea
to change the title of your thread and add some words like, os4, x1000, hyperion, ben hermans to get his attention.
rofl!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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@save2600
It looks like you've already made up your mind, but if you want to verify something it might be worth checking the system by booting it off the MorphOS CD. If that works then it's likely just some 3rd party component or installed software that's messing things up and it should be possible to either reinstall or figure out which 3rd party component is causing the trouble.
If the CD booted system crashes a lot as well then it is likely that the HW is having issues. Finally, MorphOS does have bugs and you might have run into some. If it is reproducable issue (with a CD boot or fresh install, and doesn't appear to be a HW issue) we'd be very interested to get a bug report about it.
Support is available via a mailing list and some other channels. In most cases visiting freenode #morphos IRC channel (european evening hours) will get your help the fastest.
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save2600
Umm it must be an hw or configuration problem. HTML5 vids work nicely on owb with my peg2 so dont really know why you are posting so dramtically???
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akiko
How can you guys slander a developer of Piru stature? He has done much for "amiga" and is a quite sensible and classy guy.
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Definately use the youtube.js and youtube_fullscreen.js scripts. HTML5 is sluggish and the audio cuts out sometimes wheras these scripts will make youtube work near flawless.
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@save2600
I just wanted to add to what all others have said, that you should really read the Odyssey readme file. You will learn a lot about how getting the most out of the Odyssey browser. Good luck! :)
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Sorry all for the drunken rant last night! Post was bad too. Should have read: Latest OWB on my MorphOS system really sucks! :lol:
Thanks Piru, I'll give this another shot and get back to you regarding error logs and what it's doing before the crash one of these days. Thing is, this computer is hooked to a big screen in the basement where I wanted company that comes over, to be able to see how slick the OS is. But like I said, it's been going downhill after the latest install of OWB. All I really ever use the system for is the occasional game (can't even get vector graphics games to work in MAME) and really light internet usage. In fact, I only mentioned YouTube because that's one of the few things I might try to use with OWB, but haven't in quite some time. No, the latest version of OWB is crashing my system during a Wikipedia or Facebook session. Renders both my system and the wireless ethernet box completely useless. Icons will go missing or behave improperly too. Have to reboot after letting the computer AND the wireless card sit for a while. It's very aggravating.
Oh and Gizmo... screw Leopard on a PPC Mac. Been there, done that. It sucks and Apple sucks for only releasing the update for Intel based Mac's. I'd have been REAL pissed had I paid retail and was ditched shortly after. 10.4.11 Tiger runs perfect on my PPC's however, so I wouldn't mind putting that on the Mini. Don't have a disc though :(
In the meantime, my offer still stands to sell if anyone wants it: 1.25ghz, 40gb HD, MorphOS clean install with latest Ultimate Pack.
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I bet Ubuntu would run pretty nicely on that MacMini.
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Dude, never drink & Amiga.org!
This place is angry enough when I'm sober! ;)
Sorry all for the drunken rant last night! Post was bad too. Should have read: Latest OWB on my MorphOS system really sucks! :lol:
Thanks Piru, I'll give this another shot and get back to you regarding error logs and what it's doing before the crash one of these days. Thing is, this computer is hooked to a big screen in the basement where I wanted company that comes over, to be able to see how slick the OS is. But like I said, it's been going downhill after the latest install of OWB. All I really ever use the system for is the occasional game (can't even get vector graphics games to work in MAME) and really light internet usage. In fact, I only mentioned YouTube because that's one of the few things I might try to use with OWB, but haven't in quite some time. No, the latest version of OWB is crashing my system during a Wikipedia or Facebook session. Renders both my system and the wireless ethernet box completely useless. Icons will go missing or behave improperly too. Have to reboot after letting the computer AND the wireless card sit for a while. It's very aggravating.
Oh and Gizmo... screw Leopard on a PPC Mac. Been there, done that. It sucks and Apple sucks for only releasing the update for Intel based Mac's. I'd have been REAL pissed had I paid retail and was ditched shortly after. 10.4.11 Tiger runs perfect on my PPC's however, so I wouldn't mind putting that on the Mini. Don't have a disc though :(
In the meantime, my offer still stands to sell if anyone wants it: 1.25ghz, 40gb HD, MorphOS clean install with latest Ultimate Pack.
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No, the latest version of OWB is crashing my system during a Wikipedia or Facebook session. Renders both my system and the wireless ethernet box completely useless. Icons will go missing or behave improperly too. Have to reboot after letting the computer AND the wireless card sit for a while. It's very aggravating.
That's really very odd. I would really suspect a very screwed installation of even hw issue. I say that, because i haven't got any other similar report, and my mac mini machine (running latest OWB) has a 3 weeks uptime, now, and it involved youtube, facebook, random browsing and so on... :)
Anyway, do like piru said and run a vanilla MorphOS 2.7 installation to begin with.
Oh, and about MAME (since i also did the port), it's also funny you don't get it to work. Actually, i haven't tested vector games, but many others like neogeo, cps1&2, psikyo and so on, and they work nicely, especially on a macmini. Maybe you just have wrong rom sets there.
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Oh, and about MAME (since i also did the port), it's also funny you don't get it to work. Actually, i haven't tested vector games, but many others like neogeo, cps1&2, psikyo and so on, and they work nicely, especially on a macmini. Maybe you just have wrong rom sets there.
Nah, ROMS are all good... most all games run great, it's just the vector ones that either don't come up at all, stall the system or try to throw a goofy screen setting. I've tried re-adjusting the screenmode prefs (adding new ones also) to no avail too.
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I bet Ubuntu would run pretty nicely on that MacMini.
Yeah My MacMini is tripple boot with MorpOS 2.7, Mac OS Leopard and Ubuntu 10.4.
However whilst ubuntu runs nicely on it, a lot of things do not work on the ppc version of ubuntu. Obviously WINE, but neither does flash and quite a lot of other things
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I usually opt for Debian on PPC macs for that reason, much better supported to a point. Yellow Dog Linux is also pretty good too.
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I don't know if you can use MUI on MOS but everyone over at AW.net is raving over this update of OWB.
Oh, never mind... it's a MOS port for AOS3.1.3
Good news for AOS users though!
@Save.... CHEERS! :pint:
http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=34169&forum=32
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I know I'm going to cop heaps of grief over this post - but here goes...
I don't know how much laptops costs over there in the USA, but down here in Australia, you can buy a decent laptop for around $500AUD (Fast CPU, 3GB RAM, 500MB HDD and 15" screen) which comes with Windows 7 Home Premium.
Whether you're a Windows fan or not, you cannot deny:
- The O/S is well supported by MS
- Software support is much better than what you get for a Mac
- It runs pretty much flawlessly unless you're too much of a person who tinkers
- You can run WinUAE and MameUI and have the best of three (and more) worlds
I made the mistake of buying a high-end MacBook Pro this year to see what all the fuss is about and have found that I run 90% of my apps using Parallels and BootCamp.
I know there are pros and cons to all operating systems - but Windows 7 has been rock solid and I have no complaints...
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And thats OK CK. I hate windows, because NTFS and the system itself rot, in other words the system will eventually slow down to a halt and you have to redo the system. With my Macs, I just use OnyX any time it begins to slow down and it puts it back to the top end. Mac OSX has a more easily used interface, visually appealing without sucking up tons of memory. I also like that I can close my windows of TenFourFox while its downloading and not lose whats being downloaded.
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I have a triple boot hackintosh running Snow Leopard, Windows 7 and latest Ubuntu. Windows 7 is light years ahead for my engineer taste.
I have a 1.67 Powerbook just waiting for MOS! But, MOS developers are ... really mysterious about the project timeline, so, It's getting dust in the drawer holding a nice Leopard installation.
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And thats OK CK. I hate windows, because NTFS and the system itself rot, in other words the system will eventually slow down to a halt and you have to redo the system.
Only if you're some kind of noob. I'm personally responsible for 100+ Windows XP/Server 2003 boxes, the majority of which have been running on the same installs for 4+ years. (Yeah, the hardware is getting old by now, but they're performing as well as they did when they were new.)
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Maybe you should take into account that I'm not an IT manager. Also, I usually do a bunch of mods to a standard XP install: Turn off System Restore, Virtual Memory, indexing services, and such. But in regular use I don't really use windows anymore, but when I did I either used 2000 or XP and with the latter I would back up and reinstall the system every 3-4 months, just to make sure everything ran well . I also never needed anti virus, if I ever got a virus I just reinstalled the system over it.
But seriously, Windows XP out of the box has very poor memory management. It resorted to virtual memory on my Dell XPS model 1 even though I had 2GB of RAM, a whole 1GB which wasn't even put in use until I nixed virtual memory. USB stick writing was also a lot slower than on my Power Mac G4, which when I did the test was using 10.4.
I also had to constantly rebuild NTFS due to power spikes out here in the boonies (yes I have surge protectors, but cheap ones, I cant be bothered to spend $100 on a good APC), I eventually hacked my XP to run on exFAT which was much better
But I have never had to rebuild an HFS+ volume due to power spikes, although the spikes have all but disappeared after new power lines put in 2005 after Ernesto.
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I bet Ubuntu would run pretty nicely on that MacMini.
Have basically the same Mac Mini and Ubuntu blows. Bad performance. Bad graphic issues. The situation may have changed since the last Ubuntu release though.
No, you either want OK OSX performance on this machine or FAST MorphOS up and in there. If the license for MorphOS is already dealt with it's a real plus.
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Windows 7 is light years ahead of anything else on the market. End of.
And I have and do use Mac , Linux , MorphOS and Windows
But lets not get into that arguemnt again. The post is about MorphOS on a MacMini (G4), windows does not run on it.
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@save2600
Out of interest have you tried to install older OWB version then?