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Amiga News and Community Announcements => Amiga News and Community Announcements => Amiga.org site announcements => Topic started by: TjLaZer on January 03, 2004, 03:39:26 AM
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Hey have you guys noticed Doomy is selling "rare Amiga CD's" on eBay? All they are is WHDLoad games burned to CDR with rare printed labels from his printer and all done on his Professional A2000 computer. LOL
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So?
If you don't like it, report him to eBay.
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I don't care, I just think its funny as hell. :P People are buying them too. Maybe I should burn all the games to a DVDR from Back2roots.org and sell them on eBay! LOL
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Wait a minute here. I am not jealous at all. I know it is legal as I own every game from Back2roots already. I just thought it was funny. I would never buy one as I am not lazy. I have mine all on a DVD-R. If you were to read my post you would see I was not having a problem with that, and was not even considering complaining, as it is legal. With all the DoomMaster bashing I just thought I would point that out. I still think it is funny as hell that people are buying these "rare" Amiga CDs!! They are not rare, anyone that is not lazy can make one and even do a better job IMHO.
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Hey no prob. It's nice to see people sticking up for Doomy for a change though! lol :P
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Most Amiga users do NOT know how to create a BOOTABLE Amiga CD where you can actually run the software FROM the CD.
Actually I am curious to see how one gets to boot from the CD. Do you need a CD32 to boot from a CD on a Amiga? I own a A3000 and A4000 with CD-ROMs and have to mount the CD to see it, it is never avail at bootup.
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I wouldn't mind having a premade CD chuck full of freeware/abandware dms/adf's, but I'd rather do it myself (even though I don't have a CD err labeller?) the bit I'm lacking right now is a ton of blank old DD floppies...
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You know, I'd hate to think there's yet another account I need to disable, Hans George Campbell (aka DoomMaster). Because then more drastic action will need to be taken.
Hint: the reason I knew it was you before wasn't down to the A2000s in your avatars!
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Hi TjLaZer
. . .TjLaZer, don't wast your time!
TheComputerFanatic and DoomMaster, is the same person!!! . . . more another couple (or more) nicks.
Ciao
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What he is doing is NOT illegal because the software that he burns to the Mini-CDs are all freeware or abandonware. He is having success selling the CDs because most other
Im afraid abandonware is still theft you have no right to copy if you did id copy all my old pc software. :-?
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What? From http://www.back2roots.org/About/Project/Policy/ :
- You are not allowed to redistribute any of the licensed software without permission.
From http://www.cinemaware.com/regterms.htm:
Cinemaware hereby grants you a personal, non-exclusive, non-assignable and non-transferable license to use and display, for home, noncommercial and personal use only, one copy of any Material and/or software that you may download from this site
Copyrighted material is copyrighted material. The fact that a site has permission to distribute it does not automatically grant you the right to redistribute it further. Distributing copyrighted material without permission is piracy, and doing so for profit is generally a criminal offence.
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I'm prepared to agree on that... "abandonware" is not the same as publicdomain. Freeware, Shareware and Commersial titles from sites like Back2Roots are free to download as the people behind the site have worked sometimes very hard to get licenses to offer it for download but that doesn't meen the one downloading them have the right to sell the games (reading B2R's policy it clearly sais "Don't redistribute our file collection without express, written permission." and "You are not allowed to redistribute any of the licensed software without permission.").
Sure Doomy might have a CD full with PD titles and licensed Freeware, Shareware and perhaps even Commercial titles that allows for him to sell it at his own profit for all I know. I'm just pointing out that just because some software is Freeware, Shareware or concidered "abandonware" and available online doesn't automaticly meen you can download it and then sell it.
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@amigamad
Yeah, so-called "abandoneware" is really just software people haven't bothered or cared to find out who owns it.
Either way, selling those CD sounds sleazy to me. People on ebay get away with selling pirated stuff because the people who buy from them don't care that it's pirated, only that it's cheap so they don't report them. Pirates get large positive feedback because their customers get exactly what they bid for. They know it's bootleg stuff, and they don't care.
Is this Doomy fellow some kind of bad news on this site?
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TjLaZer wrote:
Most Amiga users do NOT know how to create a BOOTABLE Amiga CD where you can actually run the software FROM the CD.
Actually I am curious to see how one gets to boot from the CD. Do you need a CD32 to boot from a CD on a Amiga? I own a A3000 and A4000 with CD-ROMs and have to mount the CD to see it, it is never avail at bootup.
Well, let's see. The CDTV and the CD32 can boot from CD's. A1200's and A3000/4000's with PPC-boards can boot from CD (the PPC-boards have a CD file system in their FlashROM). Also, other Amigas can be made to boot from CD with some software trickery.
-Paul
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Success? Making money out of software released by back2roots is not legal.
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As far as I can see, DoomMaster isn't selling games, his selling his service.
If people do prefer buying from him, instead of downloading them from Back2roots, because of the hassle of doing it themselves, why the Dell not? It's their money, they do whatever they like with it, even bidding at such high prices...
As long as there are a demand there’s always an offer…
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@weirdami:
But as long as it's abandonware as in Back2roots, it can't be pirated software, now can it?
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Waah! I see doommasters.......everywhere.... :crazy:
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As far as I can see, DoomMaster isn't selling games, his selling his service.
Not taking a stand on what DM is or isn't doing, but I'm sure many software pirates would like to claim immunity using that argument, if it were possible :-)
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He stated in this farewell notes that he was a former pirate
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thanks for the heads up guys, ive contacted ebay and pointed out the terms and conditions of B2R and cinemaware, I'll be keeping an eye on doomy's ebay accounts in future.
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Hi Ryu
. . . and call a doctor for "them" too :-)
Ciao
Note: "them" stay for DM and its clones
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Well, let's see. The CDTV and the CD32 can boot from CD's. A1200's and A3000/4000's with PPC-boards can boot from CD (the PPC-boards have a CD file system in their FlashROM). Also, other Amigas can be made to boot from CD with some software trickery.
OK, does that include my BlizzPPC603e board ? Because if the answer is yes, than I would really like to know how to make a CD bootable :-). where could I find more info on that subject ?
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OK, does that include my BlizzPPC603e board ? Because if the answer is yes, than I would really like to know how to make a CD bootable :-). where could I find more info on that subject ?[/quote]
Yes, that includes your blizzppc, hold the 'esc' key during powerup, and you will be in the flashrom menu of the blizzppc. There you can set up your CD-ROM drive as bootable (I assume you are using a scsi CD-ROM drive on the blizzppc scsi. I don't know if it will work with other controllers), IIRC there's a CDFS menu for this purpose.
If not, try locating some CD32 emu software (I think there might be something like that in the IDEfix package).
-Paul
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Pixie wrote:
As far as I can see, DoomMaster isn't selling games, his selling his service.
He still can't sell something he doesn't own, service or not. I can't download a Linux distro, burn it and sell it on the street, for instance. It's still illegal.
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He stated in this farewell notes that he was a former pirate
I don't have any authority or responsibility with regard to ebay. Furthermore I don't know whether he is doing something illegal on ebay or not, so therefore I don't take a stand on it.
The only thing that concerns me is if he is once again posting on amiga.org when he has been banned, because this time I am far more likely to take drastic action, probably with his ISP. Only problem there is that he'll probably send me even more abusive and hurtful emails :-)
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He still can't sell something he doesn't own, service or not. I can't download a Linux distro, burn it and sell it on the street, for instance. It's still illegal.
Yes you can, but you can only charge for your service of burning the CD, ie. a couple of quid. That's perfectly legal, but under the GPL only. This doesn't apply for most software.
I've seen a few hardware/software suppliers sell Linux distros for a couple of quid (including P&P). That's just an example, not the entire justification for what I've said in this post.
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mikeymike wrote:
He stated in this farewell notes that he was a former pirate
I don't have any authority or responsibility with regard to ebay. Furthermore I don't know whether he is doing something illegal on ebay or not, so therefore I don't take a stand on it.
The only thing that concerns me is if he is once again posting on amiga.org when he has been banned, because this time I am far more likely to take action, probably with his ISP. Only problem there is that he'll probably send me even more abusive and hurtful emails :-)
Report the abuse to his isp and they will shut his connection down right away :-)
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Report the abuse to his isp and they will shut his connection down right away
There are swings and roundabouts with that line of action, and ISPs tend to be reticent about closing down customer accounts. But I think given the amount of evidence I have now, it's makes the attempt more worthwhile.
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Hi
just for curiosity . . .and if he has a Dynamic IP connection?
Ciao
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@Framiga:
It can still be traced back to him, the isp stores all ip information, who`s had that ip that day etc etc
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@KennyR:
He owns... the media where it's burnt.
I can't download a Linux distro, burn it and sell it on the street, for instance. It's still illegal.
Yeah, I would give away CDs... they would be free as in speech... even PD authors allowed PD houses to charge above disk prices. And not forgueting, this is a bid, if people want to pay for a 0.30€ CD-R about 500€ they can!
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What he is doing is NOT illegal because the software that he burns to the Mini-CDs are all freeware or abandonware.
Sorry, but you are incorrect. They most certainly are illegal.
"Abandonware" is a funny term. For some reason, some idiot got it in his head that if a company chooses to no longer distribute or support one of their products, it has been abandoned and anyone can copy it. What a bunch of crap! A company doesn't lose the rights to software just because it isn't sold or supported. This means that unless you get specific permission from the owner of said rights, you are indeed in violation of copyright law for distributing or illegitimately owning that software.
I should also like to point out that just because a piece of software is freeware or pd does NOT mean that said software doesn't/can't have restrictions to its use or distribution.
So.. What DoomMaster is doing is illegal.. I'm not an anti-piracy advocate, but anyone dumb enough to try to profit from it publicly (such as on ebay) deserves what misery may befall him.
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restore2003 wrote:
He stated in this farewell notes that he was a former pirate
I find it funny, not even resembling reality just rambling.
Yeah, I really belived he was on 'THE largest software pirate organization in the world'...
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Hi restore2003,
by restore2003 on 2004/1/3 17:12:49
@Framiga:
It can still be traced back to him, the isp stores all ip information, who`s had that ip that day etc etc
yes i know that the ISP can do it but . . .can AOrg?
I hope not :-)
Ciao
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Hmm.... I totally agree with mjg59 and madgun68. Clearly this is profitting by a blatent disregard for copyright.
Its a rare day that I manage to come down on the Anti-Piracy side of an argument, but this really scrapes the bottom of the barrel. By SELLING those disks, you are violating the current ACTIVE licensing terms. It's no better than selling copies of Norton Anti-Virus 2004. Both have VALID, ACTIVE LICENSES limiting their distribution. I'm saddened that anyone would be sick enough to buy these items. (Then again, there is no end to the sickness in the Amiga community lately.)
Just because an item is free from one place, it does not mean you can repackage it and sell it elsewhere for a personal profit without permission.
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Pixie wrote:
And not forgueting, this is a bid, if people want to pay for a 0.30¤ CD-R about 500¤ they can!
And if I decided to sell free UN food aid packages for money and let people bid for them, they could. But I'd still be a criminal.
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What if TheComputerFanatic is actually DoomMaster?
What a lunatic!
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mikeymike wrote:
Yes you can, but you can only charge for your service of burning the CD, ie. a couple of quid. That's perfectly legal, but under the GPL only. This doesn't apply for most software.
The GPL actually allows you to sell software for any cost - however, if you provide binaries and not source, then you must be willing to provide the source for nothing other than media and copying costs (or provide an FTP site or something). Debian expressly requires that people be able to sell any software it provides for any amount of money they want to, but given that you can download it for free there's not a lot of incentive to do so...
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DoomMaster,
(http://lorien.legolas.com/oops-doommaster-did-it-again.png)
Remember, next time you email me, you need to edit Outlook Express's settings!
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mikeymike wrote:
DoomMaster,
(http://lorien.legolas.com/oops-doommaster-did-it-again.png)
Remember, next time you email me, you need to edit Outlook Express's settings!
:roflmao:
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:lol:
Careful Mike, he's an uberhacker and can put a trojan in your server and melt your computer!
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HAHAHA oh my god...
this gets better day by day!!!!!!
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@DoomMaster
Seek help. You certainly seem to have a problem with multiple personalities.
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:lol:
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I had difficulties with this person, I have been searching for a 4000 card for a while and he replied to my advert with email which contained a picture and description for 1200 card($150), which was lifted off ebay (UK) from another advertiser. he only wanted cash US$ sent in mail no other form of payment. he is in Oregon USA and I am in Melbourne Australia. when I pointed out that I wanted 4000 card he said he had this also for the cheap price of $175 (for cash), we exchanged emails and I then wanted more info re himself as I only had his name and address and email address, I have not heard from him since. I have noticed his adverts here on this site and also on AW He uses at least 3 alias's, their is more and I have kept all email contact with him. Carl
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This is truly amazing ...
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I'm astonished by this guy. He has gone well beyond making a nuisance of himself. I feel very sorry for the moderators who are having to put up with this rubbish. Does he have personal issues with someone involved with this site? It seems to me that he has passed a line and is displaying some truly mentally disturbed behaviour. I'm serious - he sounds like a guy who could be a danger to others.
Anyway, here's hoping he tires of such infantile behaviour...
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Hi Kees,
please Kees, for the good of my health . . . do something . . . .please!!
Cheers
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@ TheComputerFanatic & CO.
are there all you 5? . . ok.
Listen to me: now i've contacted, a specialist here in Italy, that can help all of you.
Let me know if you are interested (all 5 obviously).
Good night (mine greets also to "the others")
ohh . . .i've forgotten . . .have you taken the medicine?
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"he is well known worldwide for the incredible maps that he has created for Doom II, Blood, Duke Nukem 3D, and Shadow Warrior"
I thought that Doomy only used proffesionnal, mil. grade, Amiga 2000 computers. Have the above mentioned games been ported to the 68K? How does Duke 3d run on an A2000? How many frames per hour?!?
This guy is a joke. How many more people does he think he can scam without being cought? I'm pretty sure he will eventually end-up in prison......
ooh I forgot, ComputerFanatic eehhh Amiga2000King eehh DoomMaster , your little "Doomy is not me but a buddy of mine" tricks wouldn't fool even a first grade kid...
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TheComputerFanatic wrote:
Hi Everybody,
You guys are forgetting a few things: What if this Doomy guy can change his IP at will? What if he actually owns the server that he is on? What if he IS the pirate and hacker he says he is? If this guy is who I think he is, then you folks are messing with the wrong guy, because he can actually trash this web site anytime he wishes, but he has not because Doomy is actually a very nice guy, just don't piss him off. I know the famous DoomMaster, he is a personal friend of mine. You folks can learn a lot from him. When the DoomMaster left Amiga.org, you folks lost a really knowledgeable and awesome person. I personally think that a lot of you are just jealous of the DoomMaster's popularity. He has been working with computers since 1977 and is well known worldwide for the incredible maps that he has created for Doom II, Blood, Duke Nukem 3D, and Shadow Warrior. His HGC Series of maps are some of the best in the world and they are very famous on the Kali game server. The DoomMaster is on the Kali Game Server everyday, so you can play games with him or just chat with him. His Serial Number is 292227. You have to look for his SN because he changes his user name often. I usually find him playing in the Duke Nukem area. If you do decide to play him, be warned, he will probably kick your arse! Why do you think he is called The DoomMaster ?! :-D
I'll take my chances that hes (You are) as big a prat as he (you) comes across as, and as such I say this: Take your best shot if you dare. Come on then pal, you're big with the words, lets see you take me out then. Just to show the boys and girls how tough you really are.... Didn't think so somehow..
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I think this guy is a grade A moron! :-D
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Call him a prat, call him a moron, call him a schizophrenic, but one thing he certainly is is charismatic. And you all have made him so.
With almost sixty posts and approaching eighteen hundred viewings, this Doomy thread seems (once again) to have got everybody hooked!
They say no publicity is bad publicity and Aorg seems to be proving that so well. If doomy had half a singing voice (and maybe he has for all I know) he'd be a pop star already!
Some pop star wannabees would spend a fortune getting the attention Doomy gets for free right here on Aorg. He gets right up yer nose and you can't sneeze him out. That's just about as big as anyone could wish for.
So I say well done to Doomy for getting Aorg and its more verbose adherents right where he wants 'em. Nothing succeeds like success.
If you want shot of him, stop talking about him and just maybe he'll go somewhere else.(Assuming that's what you *really* want!)
Just my ten pennies' worth.
Cheers,
JaX
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well said JaX...
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Maybe he`s the badguy in the lawnmover man? :-o
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Maybe if everyone ignore him, he will go, seems he likes the attention
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@restore2003
Err...he's not actually here. He got banned. It's just that you just can't stop harping on about him. He's so charismatic ain't he!
If everyone goes on about this much longer, he'll probably be invited back on Aorg as a mod! Don't laff, I've seen amazing things happen to people who stick in yer craw!
JaX
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@ JaXanim
I think your giving this guy, who called me and some of the other AO staff a f###ING ###hole etc. and threatend to hack and destroy our database, a little to much credit.
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@ jaxanim
he'll probably be invited back on Aorg as a mod!
That won't happen ...
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@Kees
I appreciate that. I was attempting to highlight the irony.
Sixty-odd posts, twentyone-hundred viewings and counting....
You've created a celebrity I fear.
Cheers,
JaX
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the only people that have created anything are the people who keep mentioning him.
JaXanim wrote:
@Kees
I appreciate that. I was attempting to highlight the irony.
Sixty-odd posts, twentyone-hundred viewings and counting....
You've created a celebrity I fear.
Cheers,
JaX
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mikeymike wrote:
He still can't sell something he doesn't own, service or not. I can't download a Linux distro, burn it and sell it on the street, for instance. It's still illegal.
Yes you can, but you can only charge for your service of burning the CD, ie. a couple of quid. That's perfectly legal, but under the GPL only. This doesn't apply for most software.
I've seen a few hardware/software suppliers sell Linux distros for a couple of quid (including P&P). That's just an example, not the entire justification for what I've said in this post.
You can charge whatever you like for it, the GPL doesn't limit that in any way..
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@ Doom#? & Co.
"As I was going up the stairs,
I met a man who wasn't there.
He wasn't there again today,
I wish I wish he'd go away."
@ JaXanim
I have to say that I totally agree!
(http://lorien.legolas.com/oops-doommaster-did-it-again.png)
That's why I love this guy!!!
:-D :-D :-D
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I can't stop laughing...
I'm sorry but I can't...
:roflmao:
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Hi JaXanim
i agree JaXanim!
Nowadays (and in the past too) there are gazillion of ways to become celebrity (mussolini, hitler, bin L., saddam in a way or Mather Teresa, Padre Pio or Mrs.Levi Montalcini in an another one)
DoomMaster has choosen its own way . . . and he still.
I've just invented a new acronym:
DMBS :roll:
. . . . no need to explain the meaning :-)
Ciao
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Its off-topic (I know) but LP:
"How the hell does that severely overstressed Boing-Bra stay on?" :-o
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. . .kevlar?!?
Ciao
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It's actually quite sad.
These kind of "games" reveal deeper problems.
You've upgraded from "moron" to "sad human being". Congratulations.
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Hey, what if DoomMaster is actually Steve Rogers, AKA Captain America??? :-o Maybe Mikey, Ryu or Kees is actually the Red Skull??!??
We should be careful. He might throw his adamantium shield at us.
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I don't like the way he used 'punk' as a derrogatory insult... ;-)
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" I don't like the way he used 'punk' as a derrogatory insult... "
I think the word punk should be censored out as it's use could be quite hurtfull to some people... :-D
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I don't like the way he used 'punk' as a derrogatory insult...
Chris, don't be such a PUNK!!!! oi oi!!! :-D
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sigh ...
This thread again ...
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Methuselas wrote:
I don't like the way he used 'punk' as a derrogatory insult...
Chris, don't be such a PUNK!!!! oi oi!!! :-D
:-x
He he :-)
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Framiga wrote:
Hi JaXanim
(...) become celebrity (mussolini, hitler, bin L., saddam in a way or Mather Teresa, Padre Pio or Mrs.Levi Montalcini in an another one)
(...)
Ciao
Whistle while you work, Hitler was a jerk, mussolini bit his weenie now it doesn't work :-D
sorry couldn't resist :-P