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Coffee House => Coffee House Boards => CH / General => Topic started by: Tension on August 27, 2011, 11:09:23 PM
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Discuss.
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Well his post MS philanthropy is certainly to his credit.
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Discuss.
No...
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Funny!
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Because depopulation and material worship rules?
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Well his post MS philanthropy is certainly to his credit.
Agreed 100 percent. He is unfathomably philanthropic.
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With benefits...
Let's face it, the guy ain't Jesus.
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It's very easy to be philanthropic when you have tens of billions of dollars. To his credit he is giving it away - many people don't. What do you do with a billion dollars anyway? Never mind tens of billions...
I'd rather consider how he made those tens of billions of dollars - abuse of monopoly, some seriously underhand manoeuvres, etc. These cost people a lot, and in my opinion held the PC industry back a long time. In addition money stacked away in savings is money not circulating in the economy.
But if we consider the money paid to Microsoft for their sub-standard software and buggy Office suites as being an investment in future philanthropy, then maybe it's all okay. But in that case the people donating the money are the people who've had to use Microsoft products one way or another, and not Bill Gates.
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No, all is pure image.
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The point is, he didn't have to give anything away. But he did and does.
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Well his post MS philanthropy is certainly to his credit.
Indeed. In the late 90s / early 00s, I spent far too much effort hating Microsoft and their business ethics, which was ultimately childish and pointless. We can argue and complain til we're blue in the face over our stupid digital technologies and the philosophical impact of OS monopolies on the well-being of the industry, but all the while the Gates Foundation is trying to make a difference in the lives of the poor around the world who probably can't even begin to imagine such luxuries. Three cheers for improving access to basic medicines!
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Sure the philanthropy is a good gesture. The problem is that everyone seems to have forgotten about how he managed to aquire the huge fortune he has given away. The PC industry made a deal with Devil in handing the monopoly to this guy and it's mortal soul will be sacrificed forever. I'd rather see a hundred smaller companies serving the PC industry and making smaller but worthwhile charitable contributions.
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Lets put things into perspective here, instead of claiming this guy is a wonderful philanthropic person, lets break it down into a few simple "known" facts... ;)
Bill Gates net worth in 2011 is $56 Billion (that's his personal wealth)...
How did he acquire this vast fortune...
Through many underhanded business tactics in which many smaller companies were hurt and damaged with no thought or care for those who lost their livelihoods & businesses in the process... :(
There is no denying that he has donated some pretty large sums to charity but remember someone with this kind of money actually benefits financially themselves from doing so when you take into account all the legal loopholes in tax laws that a very clever team of accountants and lawyers who would obviously handle his financial affairs, would soon put to good use for the benefit of Mr Gates... ;)
So... yes... while Mr Gates may appear to be a philanthropist and a very generous guy, just remember all those who had to suffer financially for him to become this so called philanthropist & good guy and the lives & livelihoods he wrecked in the process... :(
It's not jealousy or hatred I have for folk like him it's quite simply I can't understand why any one person would need such vast amounts of money which lets be honest, unless you were truly wreckless with it, no one person could spend that amount in one human lifetime on themselves... :)
So before you sing the praises of Mr Gates, consider how much more he could give (and others like him) and still be a very, very wealthy man with more than enough money left to live his life of luxury... ;)
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Bollocks Franko man! He has given away much more than he could've written off against tax. 28 billions he's given away so far! The mind boggles.
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When i see him, Bill Gates looks more like a whealthy but simple man than a guy living in luxury.
Even though, i do admire the guy for all that he is doing through the Gates Fundation.
I remember the time when computer user thought that it was cool to criticize Microsoft, but now i think this is definitly childish to do so. After all, i guess a large number of people here is using either Windows XP or Windows 7 to browse amiga.org.
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Bollocks Franko man! He has given away much more than he could've written off against tax. 28 billions he's given away so far! The mind boggles.
It's not a matter of how much he's given away so far, that doesn't make him some kind of guy to be admired when he and others like him have trampled over so many other people to get where they are today... ;)
Like I said before he has trodden over many people on his way to the top (not to mention the use of cheap foreign labour, to make his products)... ;)
There are far more worthy people in this world who personally do charity work in the poorest countries of the world and far more "normal" individuals all over the planet who's financial donations are the backbone of financing charity work worldwide... ;)
Why not talk about these more deserving people instead and not make Bill Gates look like the saviour of all things wrong with this planet... ;)
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There are far more worthy people in this world who personally do charity work in the poorest countries of the world and far more "normal" individuals all over the planet who's financial donations are the backbone of financing charity work worldwide...
Like it or not, Gates Foundation is an *incredibly* important donor for international development and relief work. Things would be very different - worse - without them in the game.
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Like it or not, Gates Foundation is an *incredibly* important donor for international development and relief work. Things would be very different - worse - without them in the game.
Again you are giving him far more credit than he deserves, in 2009 in the US only a total of 13% of all money donated to charity came from ALL the US based "foundations" including his... ;)
Worldwide the VAST majority of money donated to charities comes from the average person in the street. the figures are all there for you to google and see for yourself... :)
So I've no idea why folk here are trying to make this guy out to be something special when it's really Joe Public (including yourself if you donate) who should be getting the acknowledgments and credit and not all this arse licking and brown nosing of just one guy who donates a tiny drop in the ocean in the grand scheme of things... :rolleyes:
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Maybe this will help refresh your memory a bit.
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Again you are giving him far more credit than he deserves, in 2009 in the US only a total of 13% of all money donated to charity came from ALL the US based "foundations" including his... ;)
Worldwide the VAST majority of money donated to charities comes from the average person in the street. the figures are all there for you to google and see for yourself... :)
So I've no idea why folk here are trying to make this guy out to be something special when it's really Joe Public (including yourself if you donate) who should be getting the acknowledgments and credit and not all this arse licking and brown nosing of just one guy who donates a tiny drop in the ocean in the grand scheme of things... :rolleyes:
We Muslims are required to give a minimum of 2.5% of our total wealth to charity. 2.5% of 1.5 Billion people's dosh is a lot of money! :)
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Big business is never pretty. Bigger businesses shut smaller businesses down every day. Bill Gates and Microsoft were in business to make money, they succeeded, and Microsoft continues to succeed.
(http://captionsearch.com/pix/kvcymkzy6p.jpg)
Seriously, though, giving billions of dollars to charity is pretty serious.
Oh, and I like Windows.
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Seriously, though, giving billions of dollars to charity is pretty serious.
10s of billions! The guy is a legend!
Being Scottish, Franko can't see any benefits of giving money away. It's not his fault ;)
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10s of billions! The guy is a legend!
Being Scottish, Franko can't see any benefits of giving money away. It's not his fault ;)
Still a small drop in ocean in comparison to total the public gives... ;)
Being Scottish has nothing to do with it nor is the fact that all my money is on an elastic band... :)
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I take that the lot of you (minus Franko obviously) have never heard of the philanthropist's shackle?
Booooyyyyy are your children in for it!!
Economical advancements indeed...
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I take that the lot of you (minus Franko obviously) have never heard of the philanthropist's shackle?
Is that a bit like a Prince Albert? ;)
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I'd like to think he is a changed man.
Microsoft did many many illegal, immoral and underhanded things under his supervision. the biggest problem is that it set the trend for many other business people. I had a long talk-argument with one of my bosses who swears by the "Microsoft" plan and said, "What Bill Gates did was fine. He didn't get caught because there were no laws governing it."
But now we see him in his later years, I'd like to hope, a changed man. Giving back to the community and all that.
Does it excuse him for what he did? No, but then again I'm not in any position to really judge him over it all anyway so I'll just leave it all to God...
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Faith in man...
Do we really believe that we're all gonna be invited to their little utopia when our culture and way of life is not deemed useful or practical? They have already stated time and time again that they Are working toawards drastically reducing the "overpopulation problem".
Will we rebel? Heck no, we are too dependent and or addicted to the toys and resources they provide.
I really feel sorry for the optimist in other men's deeds, and for those who are cynical about about their own sovereign potential.
We really do 't need them
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I'd like to think he is a changed man.
... I'm not in any position to really judge him over it all anyway so I'll just leave it all to God...
My sentiments, too.
Bill does more than give extraordinary amounts of money. He remains involved with the issues he is trying to solve. He monitors the money and directs it to continually ensure the greatest results. I should invest my energies as well.
Remember the pie in the face incident? I DL'ed it with enthusiasm when it first came out. After watching it, I sort of felt sorry for Bill.
It's easy to vilify Bill & Microsoft (I have in the past) for the state of computing. More and more, I hold the mindless consuming masses at least as responsible for the power big business wields in the world.
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EDIT: Never mind, it's futile.
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Diverse opinions are pointless. We can compute in the cloud now. Soon we can all merge into the WWM (World Wide Mind).
".. just machines that make big decisions, program our fellows with compassion and vision. We'll be clean when that work is done.." -Steely Dan
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I wasn't discussing an opinion, I was discussing facts. Though it seems that hardly anyone here wants to discuss those facts and it is very creepy if you ask me, especially in an Amiga forum none the less.
I expected more people to see some of the out right and in your face warning signs that are present in the direction this world is "advancing", especially when sized up against the history of the wealthy forefathers (bankers, oil, and steel barons) of Mr. Gates himself. Direct blood relatives none the less. And no, I'm not talking conspiracy theory here, I'm just talking about family tree and what that family has done to us, our parents, our parent's parent's, their parent's parent's and so forth.
The problem is that the victim never tells the stories that get repeated over and over again and become truth. Rather then tale of the victims becomes myth, and the real myth becomes reality, and this in turn results in a swarm of people who don't know black from white, or up from down because all they know is the propaganda.
Makes a guy start to feel kind of alone, like a stranger in his own home...
Diverse opinions are pointless. We can compute in the cloud now. Soon we can all merge into the WWM (World Wide Mind).
".. just machines that make big decisions, program our fellows with compassion and vision. We'll be clean when that work is done.." -Steely Dan
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I expected more people to see some of the out right and in your face warning signs that are present in the direction this world is "advancing", especially when sized up against the history of the wealthy forefathers (bankers, oil, and steel barons) of Mr. Gates himself. Direct blood relatives none the less. ..
I'm very alarmed at the pace of change in society and what drives it.
I've never heard anything about Bill's pedigree.
Makes a guy start to feel kind of alone, like a stranger in his own home...
Or in his city, his company, or watching the next generation.
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Many documentaries and docufilms such as Pirates of Silicon Valley like to transform the stories of certain trust fund children with parents and other relatives in high places...
Into rags to riches stories that show that the pseudo-Free Market and the Amaerican Capitalists system does and can work for anyone despite their culture, color, morals, ethics, Religion, etc.
As a matter of fact the Gates name was legend at the turn of the 20th century, and they, as the elite always do, intermarried with other elite in possissions of power, influence, and brute force. (read the history of the interrelationship between the oil barons and the 19th century settlers and land owners as an example.)
Needles to say, Mr. Gates did not get his meeting with he heads of IBM by sheer chance or because of charisma and wit. Rather his mommy set up the meeting because she was old and close friends with the CEO or Chairman or what ever.
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Oh, and speaking of The Next Generation.
Have you noticed that wil wheaton has resurfaced recently? :)
I first noticed him in The Guild with Falicia Day.
Funny stuff.
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The guy's a ruthless businessman, and that's been a great benefit to him. Now he's being a nice guy and is handing out cash to people that need it - and people are complaining about him being a ruthless businessman in the 90's.
Imagine, just for a second, that all ruthless businessmen in the World decided to give large chunks of their fortunes to charity. It would be awesome.
My point is that BG isn't the bad guy here; he's a role model.
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And Hitler took photos with children because he wanted to make a better world for them...
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And Hitler took photos with children because he wanted to make a better world for them...
OMG, the Hitler card has been played :lol:
There's no going back now!
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It was long over due. :)
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Well, extrapolating from this thread, Bill`s dastardly scheme to buy himself a respectable image (which he doesn`t need) by giving billions of dollars to charity is cutting no ice whatsoever with anyone so, you have to ask, why exactly is he doing it?
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The Same game David Rockafeller Sr. Played when his public image was in ruin?
His intentions were pure, people just misunderstood him, poor guy. :/
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I guess the stories about MS and Gates are well over exaggerated. Tall poppies draw the biggest claims of conspiracy. But there is no doubt that he is a good guy at heart. Business is business and philanthropy is philanthropy. Mr Gates is one of, or the greatest, personal philanthropic benefactors in the world.
And it’s not easy. It’s easier to keep your millions then to find worthy people/charities to donate to. Just ask Franko. :)
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It's very easy to be philanthropic when you have tens of billions of dollars. To his credit he is giving it away - many people don't. What do you do with a billion dollars anyway? Never mind tens of billions...
I'd rather consider how he made those tens of billions of dollars - abuse of monopoly, some seriously underhand manoeuvres, etc. These cost people a lot, and in my opinion held the PC industry back a long time. In addition money stacked away in savings is money not circulating in the economy.
But if we consider the money paid to Microsoft for their sub-standard software and buggy Office suites as being an investment in future philanthropy, then maybe it's all okay. But in that case the people donating the money are the people who've had to use Microsoft products one way or another, and not Bill Gates.
He should fund things like Natami/Firebee etc 100% free and give xbox 360 motherboard development time and OS development resource FREE to anyone who wants to build a next gen Amiga or similar.
That Windows sh1t is why the excitement of diverse incompatible revolutionary change per generation/model of 80s computing is gone forever.
And don't bother sticking up for him as he tried to **** Sony (and hence us) with funding/support for HD DVD lame donkey tech vs bluray AND if compatibility was important why didn't he adopt Playstation compatibility license? All B0LL0X because even today 360 STILL uses noisy dirt cheap 50 Pence DVD ROM out of spite!
Ditto for S.Bulmer and P.Alan (3 founders of Microcock)
They are (all 3 of them) kunts and I hope they all die soon and horribly like final destination style for all the damage they did through their illegal monopolistic sh1t :madashell:
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@Digiman
Try growing up and getting a sense of proportion on what's important in life. So Windows sucked and only became dominant through underhand business moves? XBOX not to your liking? Really, so what?
He could sit on his vast personal wealth and lord it up like there was no tomorrow, instead he's become one of the biggest philanthropists alive today and is busy donating large sums of money to causes that do actually make a tangible difference to people.
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And people thought Franko was bad.......
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Franko R.I.P. :/