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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Hardware Issues and discussion => Topic started by: stevee617 on August 21, 2011, 03:45:53 PM
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Hey guys, thought you might like to know this.
Last night, I decided to hookup my Dell SR2320L monitor to my A1200. I knew it wasn't going to work....until this happened! (pardon the mess!)
The A1200 is pretty much stock. The only exception is a GVP 1230+, 030, with MMU and 8 MB ram.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v11/SteveV22FE/Commodore%20Amiga/IMG_6027.jpg)
Here is a shot with the A1200 w/C= monitor adapter and monitor.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v11/SteveV22FE/Commodore%20Amiga/IMG_6028.jpg)
Cannon Fodder Screen 1
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v11/SteveV22FE/Commodore%20Amiga/IMG_6031.jpg)
Cannon Fodder Screen II
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v11/SteveV22FE/Commodore%20Amiga/IMG_6033.jpg)
I am flabbergasted that this monitor syncs. Now, I haven't run through all the modes. I did try the higher 72 modes and the 2320 doesn't like those. It you stick with the 50 and 60 Hz ranges it works fine. The "Super" modes work, bu they don't look that great.
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Great to see! Can you check some more modes using SYS:Prefs/Overscan and report back (with photos)?
Thanks!
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Hmmm, that means that this monitor can sync @ 15khz or it means that this amiga has an internal scan doubler?
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This A1200 is stock, except the GVP 1230+. There is NO scandoubler!
Yes I will report back all the modes here in this thread.
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Can it do PAL modes also...
Inquiring minds want to know.. ;-)
Thanx,
desiv
(Oh, you said 50 and 60, so you tested both already? Nice.. ;-)
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Cheers Steve! Thanks for sharing that. My company uses Dell computers. I'm going to pester the IT department on Monday to see if they have any old SR2320L monitors!
BestBuy have them for sale at $210.
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What do the interlaced modes look like?
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Interesting, this is probably because of the support for HDMI devices.
See Video Supported Modes on the link:
http://support.dell.com/support/edocs/MONITORS/SR2320L/en/ug/about.htm#Specifications
Probably they extended the "video modes" support to the VGA connector as well.
Surprisingly, the specs say that the monitor will only sync down to 30kHz.. :-)
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Yes,
> Horizontal scan range 30 kHz to 83 kHz (automatic)
> Vertical scan range 56 Hz to 76 Hz (automatic)
Odd, but in a nice way!
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I see vertical banding on your pics. Is that correct? If so, this is the same thing as with the scandoublers of old and the indivision would still be better.
Nice info though.
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This A1200 is stock, except the GVP 1230+. There is NO scandoubler!
Yes I will report back all the modes here in this thread.
but what kind of adapter are you using?
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but what kind of adapter are you using?
It's the standard Commodore silver box adapter, as seen in the first 2 pictures.
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Interesting coincidence, the Dell monitor model number, 2320.
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Interesting coincidence, the Dell monitor model number, 2320.
I noticed that, too :)
Good number.
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wow awesome! please let us know if PAL works.. I wish my Dell would work on vga it does support analogue video (svideo and comp) but the only mode works on vga is vga modes on amiga....
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I have a Dell U2311H with an IPS panel.
...but I don't have the silver adapter!
How can I know if it would work?
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http://accessories.euro.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?c=no&l=no&s=dhs&cs=nodhs1&sku=447161&~ck=dellSearch&baynote_bnrank=0&baynote_irrank=10
Would this screen work as well I wonder ?? Its an ST2320L ?!?! Still for sale by Dell ??
I have a grey VGA adapter but way back I tried it it was just for special modes ..
Does this mean that the monitor supports standard games display modes
from floppy and WHDload ??
Would be awesome .. Id buy two monitors :-D
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The Cannon Fodder screenshots were loaded from the floppy.
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@hbarcellos
Buy an adapter. They are cheap if you're not on the USD. Here's an adapter at AmigaKit (http://amigakit.leamancomputing.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=183).
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But does anyone know if this ST2320L , is the same as the SR2320L ?
But is the PAL dblPAL ??
Do I have to set this setting somewhere ?
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mr debug
If you are on os 3.x then make sure you take the icons from Sys:Storage/Monitors and put them in Sys:Devs/Monitors to be able to use them in screenmode selection.
@stevee
Can you please report back on PAL?
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Here are some PAL Mode pics.I booted up the A1200 in PAL mode (pressing both mouse button at boot and selecting PAL) If you want pics of games, I can post some as well, granted my games collection is rather sparse!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v11/SteveV22FE/Commodore%20Amiga/IMG_6063.jpg)
Workbench - PAL
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v11/SteveV22FE/Commodore%20Amiga/IMG_6064.jpg)
SysInfo - Reports as DBLPAL
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v11/SteveV22FE/Commodore%20Amiga/IMG_6065.jpg)
Prefs/Overscan
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v11/SteveV22FE/Commodore%20Amiga/IMG_6066.jpg)
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I have a Dell U2311H with an IPS panel.
...but I don't have the silver adapter!
How can I know if it would work?
@hbarcellos
I don't know. My C= adapter is the -01 version of the adapter, not the later -03 which had some corrections for Video Toaster use.
To be honest, this was a shot in the dark to see of this monitor would work with my A1200. To my speechless surprise, it did. I did no research to see if it would work, I merely plugged it in to the computer and turned it on.
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I doubt many people are going to spend $200+ dollars on a monitor for this reason.
I think the "moral to the story" is to try it out...
It might work with the monitor you have..
Obviously, as has been pointed out, if you want to spend money for a solution, you're going to look for something like an Indivision..
But if you have an LCD around the house, try it (if you have the adapter..).
Also, as it's looking like there are more and more of these, it might be nice for someone to try to keep a list (thread?) of monitors and varying degrees of success/failure with them, so people could refer to it...
I happen to really like my 1084's (I know), but I also realize that at some time, they will stop working... ;-(
So I might pick up a VGA adapter to have on hand, just in case...
desiv
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Exactly!
I know $200 is a lot for a monitor. This monitor is used on my everyday computer (Mac Mini). I got this cause an Apple monitor price is rediculus and this one looked great in the store.
I did this on a whim, you too might get lucky with the LCD you already own.
I doubt many people are going to spend $200+ dollars on a monitor for this reason.
I think the "moral to the story" is to try it out...
It might work with the monitor you have..
Obviously, as has been pointed out, if you want to spend money for a solution, you're going to look for something like an Indivision..
But if you have an LCD around the house, try it (if you have the adapter..).
Also, as it's looking like there are more and more of these, it might be nice for someone to try to keep a list (thread?) of monitors and varying degrees of success/failure with them, so people could refer to it...
I happen to really like my 1084's (I know), but I also realize that at some time, they will stop working... ;-(
So I might pick up a VGA adapter to have on hand, just in case...
desiv
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BestBuy have them for sale at $210.
I picked one up locally at the BB after reading this and figured I'd try it out. I have not been using my 1200 much because the best video I have is SVIDEO and my eyes start to strain after a while. I was actually thinking of getting a 1084 or something to get RGB. Anyway, no risk as it can go back to BB just as easy :)
Anyway, I tried it out and I may follow up later (or not), but here are my initial impressions:
The monitor itself is pretty basic with just a single VGA, HDMI and DVI port respectively. It also has standard 1/8" in/out jacks for audio, however you must use external speakers (or headphones) as there does not appear to be any speakers built in. Anyway, for a technical review of the monitor, all you need to know and more can be read here:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/dell-sr2320l-hp-2311x-samsung-px2370,2894-2.html
I have the NTSC, PAL and MULTISYNC monitors in devs/monitors and indeed all of the modes work. Non-interlace modes look excellent. I tried Shadow of the Beast and there is no screen tearing issues when scrolling and colors and contrast are EXCELLENT. I still SUCK at that game as the larger screen size apparently does not increase my reflexes.
Anything that uses INTERLACE mode does flicker like, well, interlace mode :) I was somehow expecting it to be de-interlaced. The interlace modes are possibly less annoying than on a 1084, but I have not used a 1084 in a long time, so maybe not.
There is a slight banding pattern which may bother the type of people who insist vinyl records, HiFi stereos with tubes and CRT monitors are superior to their modern day modern day counterparts.
You can configure the monitor so that 4:3 modes are not stretched which preserves the original aspect ratio of the Amiga content. I prefer this just like when DVDs came out I preferred widescreen mode on my tube TV.
MULTISYNC (640x480) mode looks good however the screen centers vertically wrong and the top workbench bar is cut off. You can go into the OSD (on screen display) and center the screen, however once you switch to a different mode and back again you'll need recenter as the setting does not seem to stick.
The bargain monitor has a few nice features I think are worth mentioning:
The menu system is really intuitive (compared to most monitors I have owned). An icon indicating the buttons function appears right next to the (PS3 like) touch sensitive buttons.
The monitor can tilt to change the viewing angle.
I have am Indivision AGA in my CD32 and this is not as good of a solution, however has a lot better picture than the AmigaManiac SVIDEO adapter or the Ambery converter.
Is there anything specific anyone wants me to test and post a screenshot of?
-nate
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My BenQ G2420HD supports all native modes as well (eg PAL, NTSC), check it out in action right -> here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhasDQi7CMA)
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@hbarcellos
To be honest, this was a shot in the dark to see of this monitor would work with my A1200. To my speechless surprise, it did. I did no research to see if it would work, I merely plugged it in to the computer and turned it on.
I wonder how many more monitors have this undocumented feature. I know I have tried this several times with other monitors and its NEVER worked. None has HDMI though. I wonder if more monitors with HDMI would work?
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My BenQ G2420HD supports all native modes as well (eg PAL, NTSC), check it out in action right -> here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhasDQi7CMA)
Does it flicker in interlace mode?
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My BenQ G2420HD supports all native modes as well (eg PAL, NTSC), check it out in action right -> here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhasDQi7CMA)
Does the BenQ support 4:3 non-stretched mode?
I'm not a huge fan of stretched modes..
@bbond007 and NC - If the Interlace mode still flickers, I would wonder how badly..
I would think people seriously considering an LCD would prefer non-painful flickering.. ;-)
Not sure there's a good way to show that. Even a vid might not capture the flicker effect...
Why are all the monitors widescreen nowadays!!! (OK, that's not true, but still.. ;-)
desiv
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I'm using a similar setup with an Acer H233H and a Commodore adapter. I've used 2000's, 4000D's and 4000T's.
Since I don't play games, I mainly use it for installation, diagnosing boot problems and for the few apps that don't quite work with RTG.
I did try PAL once and while it worked, it had some vertical lines. I can't guarantee that it was the monitors fault or that it couldn't have been adjusted out though. I just never use PAL, so I didn't really care.
I think HDMI is a pretty good indicator of whether it will work or not, but I doubt it's a guarantee.
Additional info: I have no extra monitors in the drawer. It doesn't flicker, but it's pretty jagged in interlace. It's like a marginal flickerfixer, sort of low resolution as if it's trying to take the flicker out. Very usable for my case, probably not for everyone.
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Anything that uses INTERLACE mode does flicker like, well, interlace mode :) I was somehow expecting it to be de-interlaced.
Back when LCD monitors were very new (and very expensive), it was predicted one that could sync to the Amiga would de-interlace in 'hardware' - the pixels in each scan line are latched by the TFT transistors for that pixel until they are updated; sort of a 2-D flicker fixer. I spent years unsuccessfully trying to find an LCD monitor that would sync. Was that ever true?
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@ bbond007: Nice review.
With all of those ports, at least the monitor could be shared with a PC and an Amiga at the same time and save some desk space. I do something similar with my my main desktop PC with it connected to the DVI input and my Minimig connected to the VGA.
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Back when LCD monitors were very new (and very expensive), it was predicted one that could sync to the Amiga would de-interlace in 'hardware' - the pixels in each scan line are latched by the TFT transistors for that pixel until they are updated; sort of a 2-D flicker fixer. I spent years unsuccessfully trying to find an LCD monitor that would sync. Was that ever true?
I think it probably depends on the monitor. When using the AmigaManiac SVIDEO adapter I have seen some LCD monitors that appear deinterlaced and others where it flickers.
Perhaps there exists some ideal monitor out there that will deinterlace as well...
@bbond007 and NC - If the Interlace mode still flickers, I would wonder how badly..
I would think people seriously considering an LCD would prefer non-painful flickering.. ;-)
Not sure there's a good way to show that. Even a vid might not capture the flicker effect...
Why are all the monitors widescreen nowadays!!! (OK, that's not true, but still.. ;-)
desiv
Keep in mind that you CAN run workbench in MUTISCAN mode which will eliminate the flicker (unlike when using the SVIDEO adapter). The only drawback is that multiscan mode is a bit slower than interlace. I guess ECS amigas are limited to 2 out of 64 colors in that mode. Sucks to be them.
In overscan prefs I was able to adjust the screen centering in multiscan mode so thar the top workbench status bar is not cut off.
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Ugh tried my BenQ E2400HD, no go .. Even though it has a HDMI/DVI/VGA setup. A couple of years old monitor .. Monitor only said out-of-range :-(
For some strange reason I cant find the Dell SR2320L anywhere in Norway but only the Dell "ST2320L" , specs and outward appearance seem exactly the same ... I wonder ...... ?!?!
Its within my budget and I kinda could use an extra monitor, my main day to day monitor has developed a vertical stuck blue line :-P
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I think it probably depends on the monitor. When using the AmigaManiac SVIDEO adapter I have seen some LCD monitors that appear deinterlaced and others where it flickers.
Perhaps there exists some ideal monitor out there that will deinterlace as well...
Hey
My Dell 22" lcd with analogue features as well (svid and comp) Flicker fixes my NTSC laced modes nicely!
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Hey
My Dell 22" lcd with analogue features as well (svid and comp) Flicker fixes my NTSC laced modes nicely!
Well how about giving us a part number that would be helpfull?
mech
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My Dell 22" lcd with analogue features as well (svid and comp) Flicker fixes my NTSC laced modes nicely!
Yeah! Spill the secrets!! :lol:
I'm wondering if we would want/need to know what type of Amiga to VGA adapter people are using also??
desiv
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Hey
My Dell 22" lcd with analogue features as well (svid and comp) Flicker fixes my NTSC laced modes nicely!
I assume you mean that you are running Amiga video into the SVIDEO or COMPOSITE ports and not the VGA or are you saying your DELL flicker-fixes on the 15PIN VGA?
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I assume you mean that you are running Amiga video into the SVIDEO or COMPOSITE ports and not the VGA or are you saying your DELL flicker-fixes on the 15PIN VGA?
Yes i'm saying that i'm using the Svideo input NOT VGA the VGA only works with amiga multiscan or vga only mode and there is lame vertical banding.. :(
but with Svideo adaptor in NTSC Laced NO flicker!
Ill get the model number when I got the studio
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The monitor I have is a Dell 2005 FPW. (its an older one but from research when I got it I think it was the same screen as apple used at the time)
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Yeah! Spill the secrets!! :lol:
I'm wondering if we would want/need to know what type of Amiga to VGA adapter people are using also??
desiv
With a monitor that actually syncs to Amiga frequencies, the type of adapter shouldn't matter, unless you're doing Genlock or Toaster work - those require some additional logic. Otherwise I believe it's just a change in physical shape from 23pin to 15pin.
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Anyone knows if one of these works?
DELL 1708FP
DELL 1908FP
DELL 1909W
DELL SE198WFP
Dell 1908WFP
Dell 1908FP
Dell P190S
Greets!
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I've got a Dell 1909WX. I'll have to try it out!
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It doesn't work.
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My BenQ G2420HD supports all native modes as well (eg PAL, NTSC), check it out in action right -> here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhasDQi7CMA)
Just done a new video to show the monitor in action -> video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9THF92rvOhQ)
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Damn, so it's confirmed that's cool....
How ? Why ? Do other HDMI TV/Monitors do this?
Very tidy setup too.
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LCD TV + SCART RGB socket/lead = LCD monitor + VGA socket adaptor as far as quality goes so this must be a yank issue given you can get 20" TV for ~£150. :confused:
Problem = no TV/LCD panel has native 1280x512 REZ = Soft focus look. There are CRTs with 1280x1024 but that's 32khz PC land......
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LCD TV + SCART RGB socket/lead = LCD monitor + VGA socket adaptor as far as quality goes so this must be a yank issue given you can get 20" TV for ~£150. :confused:
Yes, it would be nice if monitors in the US came with SCART. That port is almost unheard of in TVs typically sold here. I bought a SCART->HDMI converter and did not have any success with that. (probably because it came from DealExtreme).
Composite and SVIDEO just don't have the sharpness (of even an old 1084) and VGA typically only works in a limited range of AGA/ECS modes. Even with a scandoubler you may still have issue with PAL mode.
I know my old internal scandoubler I had in my first A1200 was pretty flaky and 50% of the time would distort NTSC screens. It looked like it mixed up every scan line. It always worked in PAL mode though. Indivision AGA is not available.
Issues getting a quality display on Amiga? yes...
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LCD TV + SCART RGB socket/lead = LCD monitor + VGA socket adaptor as far as quality goes so this must be a yank issue given you can get 20" TV for ~£150. :confused:
The keywords to look for to get an international TV in the US are "Multisystem TV". I found this out by some chance Googling. Once you Google those search terms, you'll find that there are special dealers that can get the PAL/SECAM compatible TV sets in the US.
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My Dell 2000FP also works with my Amiga's using only that adapter. They don't look quite as nice as the screen shots there but my 2000FP has always had a few issues even before I ever started using it with my Amiga. Congrats on finding another.
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http://www.cocopedia.com/wiki/index.php/15KHz_SVGA_Monitors
List of 15khz capable SVGA monitors there, not sure if they are going to be LCD or CRT but the list looks quite long to me. Good place to start I guess.
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the problem with those LCD flicker free monitors in pal and ntsc laced modes ...are the interlace artifacts on games
games doesn't looks fine...scanlines are visible on certain parts in games ...and of course it's not ok
for example here is a pic of turrican 2 where you can see scanlines on the laser shoot...that is incorrect
a correct amiga monitor shows the laser shoot very solid and brighter without scanlines
(http://s3.subirimagenes.com:81/otros/previo/thump_6862988turrican21.jpg) (http://www.subirimagenes.com/otros-turrican21-6862988.html)
click to enlarge
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I have tried A1200, A600, A500 and A1000 with the VGA adapter.
This is to confirm that my DELL ST2410 (it is a full-HD with HDMI) is able to show the 15 hz screen (including KS screen)
For some unknown reason only the A1000 doesn't work..
I must say that the wide screen is a bit too large for my taste, so I prefer to normally link them to a smaller 17" through the indivision.
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I wonder if my IIayma ProLite can sync that low? That would be fortunate :-D
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One question Monitor BENQ 20" G2020HD is small model G2040HD but is the same function multisync work with only vga adapter ?? Pal games 15khz ?
i found Benq 24'' LED XL2410T monitor multisync specifications vga in 15-83khz is great fully multisync LED monitor but preis is high
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To my big astonishment I could today get my BenQ FFP222Wa to show picture at even 320x200@60 Hz. It's specced as 30 - 82 kHz, 56 - 76 Hz. Actually it does as low as 44 Hz but until today I never got it to show a pic under 320x400. Perhaps the latest NVidia drivers made it now possible to show 320x256, 320x240 and 320x200, too. So now it did show bearable picture at 15 kHz.
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Novacoder
Thx for the video :) Hey is that the famous demo Jesus on E ?
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Novacoder
Thx for the video :) Hey is that the famous demo Jesus on E ?
Yep it certainly is :)
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I am just back from holiday and got to check my two main monitors with my stock A1200. They BOTH work!!! (oh the excitement!)
One is a current-generation LED-backlit monitor (bought 3 months ago), the Dell U2311H. This one works perfectly (at least to my untrained eye), and it' miggy picture is miles better than the foggy image I used to get with my 2-year old 22-inch LG television over SCART. Just to be clear here's the connection I'm talking about:
A1200 ---> 23/15pin VGA adapter (eyetech stock) ---> Dell U2311H via VGA
I tried PAL, NTSC, High Res, etc., they all work and the picture is crystal clear, save for the slighlty mishapped pixels due to running an LCD at a lower resolution than its native one (in the case of the Dell it's 1920x1080).
The other monitor is a 5(+) year old NEC 1970NX I got off ebay for £30 a couple of months ago. To my astonishment (as I've tried countless monitors over the years, always to be disappointed) this one also works on PAL 15khz screens but the vertical positioning is off by about 10-20 pixels (cannot see the bottom edge of the picture). I haven't tried fiddling with the positioning settings yet, or overscan settings so this may well be rectifiable.
I feel very lucky today - I'm off to buy myself some lottery numbers first thing in the morning! I'll post some pictures of the monitors in action soon afterwards.
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Novacoder
Damn i knew it! I've never seen it live because I dont have an external floppy and you need dual floppy! I have the disks and everything.. anyone want to sell an ext floppy?
:)
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I am just back from holiday and got to check my two main monitors with my stock A1200. They BOTH work!!! (oh the excitement!)
How do they look in interlace mode? PAL, NTSC, MULTISYNC (640x960)
I would still like to find one that deinterlaces as well...
The geometry on the SR2320L is pretty good which is lucky because it does not have many settings. There is some banding, but it really seems most noticeable when the screen has a black background. It still beats anything I have used with my 1200 so far...
I was playing with DpaintV and Brilliance and True Brilliance, playing a few games, etc. with the new monitor. Pretty nice. Color looks great!
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Haven't had time to do more tests but I forgot to say yesterday (and in response to the question above) that all interlaced modes have very intense flickering (on the Dell, did not try the NEC with interlaced modes) to the point of making it unusable with these modes.
That's not an issue for me, as I find the 'productivity' screenmode (640x400) adequate for most non-game tasks.
Will try to post some pictures first chance I get.
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I uploaded some pics I took last night here:
http://imgur.com/a/lH4Ih
If you need any specific tests done, just ask and I'll try to do them tomorrow.
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I uploaded some pics I took last night here:
http://imgur.com/a/lH4Ih
If you need any specific tests done, just ask and I'll try to do them tomorrow.
cool!
Interesting. your U2311H looks like it has the same exact OSD as my SR2320.
The NEC is nice because it looks like 4:3 monitor :)
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Oh man that is cool. I'm going to have to try my A1200 too. I never imagined that it'd be possible without an expensive adapter.
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I uploaded some pics I took last night here:
http://imgur.com/a/lH4Ih
If you need any specific tests done, just ask and I'll try to do them tomorrow.
U2311H!?
That's my main monitor!
Works on any mode? Including games?
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Yes both the DELL and the NEC work with games (PAL/NTSC resolutions). Here are some more pictures:
http://imgur.com/a/rr6tZ
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U2311H!?
That's my main monitor!
Works on any mode? Including games?
You just lucked out :)
I tried mine with 2 Sceptre, and Viewsonic HDTV with VGA. no dice :)
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FYI
Best Buy Sunday flyer 9/4/2011 page 27
is selling this monitor for 179.99
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FYI
Best Buy Sunday flyer 9/4/2011 page 27
is selling this monitor for 179.99
Very tempting....I wonder if they let me test it with my Amiga, that would raise same eyebrows :roflmao:
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FYI
Best Buy Sunday flyer 9/4/2011 page 27
is selling this monitor for 179.99
excellent, on my way to BB for my $29 :)
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excellent, on my way to BB for my $29 :)
Bummer. BB says it's been too long, and this place is madhouse! And I got rained on. BB sux.
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Well, I did the unmentionable and got the monitor from Best Buy. Took it home and test it. It works very well at NTSC and PAL resolutions, very clear, interlace works too, but it flickers. Dbl NTSC works well too, Dbl PAL is out of range (I'm not sure if it was interlace mode or not).
So I took it back next day, because I found better deal on Amazon for $129.99 refurbished instead $179.99 at Best Buy. I was in the returns line for about 20 min before someone showed up :angry:, not happy people behind me either.
Can't wait till I get the monitor again.
Thanks for the find,
I have one of those RGBS to VGA converters, they work fine for NTSC mode, but in PAL it just freezed display, drove me nuts. One thing I will miss is the interlace flicker fix.
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DBLPAL and DBLNTSC are really only there in a half baked effort to support monitors that can't do PAL/NTSC. Other than that, pretty useless.
So I took it back next day, because I found better deal on Amazon for $129.99 refurbished instead $179.99 at Best Buy.
wow. hope it works out for you and you don't get one with dead pixels or worse.
I bought a refurb Sony Vaio notebook once and the back-light did not work when it arrived. Sony made good (it had a 90 day warranty) and I never had a problem with the notebook again. It still mostly works.
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Weird that DoublePAL doesn't work. Do you have VGAOnly in Devs:Monitors? There are a few screenmode editing utils on Aminet - you could probably get it working by tweaking it with one of those.
Anyway, I'll know soon enough myself - I've got an SR2320L coming in the mail :)
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Weird that DoublePAL doesn't work. Do you have VGAOnly in Devs:Monitors? There are a few screenmode editing utils on Aminet - you could probably get it working by tweaking it with one of those.
Probably just because of missing VGAOnly - DblPal is so low and DblNtsc a little bit higher but probably just enough to work. Wasn't DblPal just a little over 28 kHz?
...check - DBLPAL 27.50 kHz 48 Hz with VGAOnly: 29.45 kHz 50 Hz
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Weird that DoublePAL doesn't work. Do you have VGAOnly in Devs:Monitors? There are a few screenmode editing utils on Aminet - you could probably get it working by tweaking it with one of those.
Anyway, I'll know soon enough myself - I've got an SR2320L coming in the mail :)
Dbl Pal does not work, but I don't mind, I use NTSC.
The refurbished monitor came in from Amazon, works great and shipping was only 2 days. No dead pixels and looks like new.
Finally I can use just one monitor w/o external scandoubler.
The banding can be corrected in the monitor's menu using "Pixel Clock" setting and HV position settings. This needs to be set per each resolution.
Very happy with the purchase.
Thanxs to all for finding the undocumented feature :banana:
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FYI:
http://aminet.net/package/driver/moni/HighGFX40_6
will give you 1024x384 and 1024x768 with the SR2320L
the included HD720 (1280x720) monitor driver does not work but the HighGFX looks pretty good.
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benq g2020hd work 15khz or not ? big brother 2420 work but 2020?
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FYI:
http://aminet.net/package/driver/moni/HighGFX40_6
will give you 1024x384 and 1024x768 with the SR2320L
the included HD720 (1280x720) monitor driver does not work but the HighGFX looks pretty good.
The 1024x384 looks not bad, had a hard time adjusting the pixel clock to get rid of horizontal banding. The interlace is not usable, no flicker fixer.
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My own results with the Dell SR2320L from a quick test with my (PAL) A600:
NTSC works, a few pixels lost at maximum overscan
PAL works, a few pixels lost at maximum overscan
Multiscan works perfectly
DblNTSC works, but the top of the screen spills over onto the bottom of the screen at maximum overscan
DblPAL works perfectly
Euro72 works perfectly
HighGFX works perfectly
Euro36 does not work
Super72 does not work
HD720 does not work
There's a bit of vertical banding, and interlace modes seem to lose some minor horizontal detail, but given what others have said, it sounds like much of this can be fixed by adjusting the monitor settings (which I haven't even attempted yet). All in all, very glad to have this monitor available. And kudos to stevee617 for discovering it!
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Thanks for the kudos!
I'm glad I was able to share the knowledge with everyone here!!
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The 1024x384 looks not bad, had a hard time adjusting the pixel clock to get rid of horizontal banding. The interlace is not usable, no flicker fixer.
The interlace is pretty usable for displaying JPG images. Workbench, not so much :)
1024x384 might be cool for shapeshifter.
I have never noticed the pixel clock settings to do much to remove the banding. I think the banding is just going to happen because 1024 can't evenly fit into 1920.
I was thinking that maybe we could create a custom monitor mode.
the monitor has 1920x1080 resolution, so perhaps if a custom mode could be made that is evenly divisible by 3 or 2 ie. 960x540, 640x360, 960x360, or 640x540 then it would look better. 1024x384 is not really a standard resolution, but somehow it works....
what do you think?
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The interlace is pretty usable for displaying JPG images. Workbench, not so much :)
1024x384 might be cool for shapeshifter.
I have never noticed the pixel clock settings to do much to remove the banding. I think the banding is just going to happen because 1024 can't evenly fit into 1920.
I was thinking that maybe we could create a custom monitor mode.
the monitor has 1920x1080 resolution, so perhaps if a custom mode could be made that is evenly divisible by 3 or 2 ie. 960x540, 640x360, 960x360, or 640x540 then it would look better. 1024x384 is not really a standard resolution, but somehow it works....
what do you think?
Is there a utility that can create custom screen modes? I'm willing to test it, ...actually we might just look in Aminet to see if anyone created one.
Thanx for the info about divisibility, it make sense now why is not working properly at 1024x384.
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Hi guys,
Has anybody had any luck with the Dell E248WFP?
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I tried this with a BENQ M2700HD and it just complained about being out of range in every mode I tried, despite having DVI, HDMI, composite, component etc inputs.
I also had an old CRT NEC Multisync V500 which wouldn't work either.
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I uploaded some pics I took last night here:
http://imgur.com/a/lH4Ih
If you need any specific tests done, just ask and I'll try to do them tomorrow.
Nice! Thanks for the pics!
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For people who asked me for my monitor's details....it's a BenQ G2420HD monitor and it seems to work with all of the Amiga's native modes. It doesn't support HighGFX so I'll have to wait for the Indivision Mrk2 before I can actually display my WB in HD ;)
BenQ kicking ass (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9THF92rvOhQ)
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Do lcd TVs equipped with SCART really work with an Amiga?
I mean, of course they should, but is the image clear, without artifacts and such, or problems when scrolling?
And what kind of TV would you recomend?
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This is a great find! My biggest question tho would have to be whats the scrolling like? One of the amigas best features to me is the super smooth pinball games. :) My 28" scart crt still has lots of life yet but would hate to loose the smooth scrolling if i ever have to switch to a lcd monitor..
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This is a great find! My biggest question tho would have to be whats the scrolling like? One of the amigas best features to me is the super smooth pinball games. :) My 28" scart crt still has lots of life yet but would hate to loose the smooth scrolling if i ever have to switch to a lcd monitor..
I would say the scrolling is really about perfect in my opinion. There is no tearing or anything like that in Pinball Illusions or scrollers like Lionheart or Shadow of the beast.
I think the reason it works so well is the fact the monitor can take 15hz without going through framerate conversion.
I know that as soon as I say that someone who has used a 1084 in the last 15 years will buy it on my recommendation and see some flaw I am overlooking, and my corrected eyesight not perfect.
If I thought I could accurately video the monitor and post it I would, but don't know of a way to do that without introducing the kind of tearing that I'm claiming is minimal or does not exist.
My suggestion is to see if your local store has the monitor so you can return it if you unhappy with it.
The monitor is not perfect for the amiga. Text still sometimes looks a little funny, because the amiga can't push the monitor at it's native resolution, but of all minor bad things, I do think the scrolling is probably a strong point.
Hope that helps.
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Cheers for letting me know :)
If i happen to see one at a nice price one day may have to consider picking one up!
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Hi,
Not sure if this has been answered yet, but has anyone tried the Dell ST2320L that is currently being sold by Dell. They Don't have a SR2320L listed (at least in Canada).
Thanks
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Hi,
Not sure if this has been answered yet, but has anyone tried the Dell ST2320L that is currently being sold by Dell. They Don't have a SR2320L listed (at least in Canada).
Thanks
Don't know if it's been tested, but I couldn't find any difference between the two based on published specifications and pictures. That doesn't mean much, though - I've been screwed by LCDs loudly proclaiming themselves as 15KHz-capable that have failed to handle Amiga modes.
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I've been screwed by LCDs loudly proclaiming themselves as 15KHz-capable that have failed to handle Amiga modes.
That sucks. That's exactly what I'm trying to avoid...I'm trying to find the right monitor/TV and the right adapter...
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Same thing I wondered a while ago .. Might just get me a MiniMig and use VGA instead ..
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Also, as it's looking like there are more and more of these, it might be nice for someone to try to keep a list (thread?) of monitors and varying degrees of success/failure with them, so people could refer to it...
Think that the monitors nowdays are used more and more to display HDTV and the low scanrate is connected to that feature in some monitors. Perhaps it's cheaper to just let the monitor scan all the way down to TV type signals than to make a special input for the tv connectors like HDMI.. So perhaps we will se more of them. and other clones between TV and computer monitors.. like TV with VGA support and so on.
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Same thing I wondered a while ago .. Might just get me a MiniMig and use VGA instead ..
keep in mind that the current minimig 1.1 also has issues with some LCD monitors and PAL modes... the monitor must do 50hz
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Any luck with BenQ XL2410T @ 15kHz and in NTSC mode?
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Stevee
Great thread. I wonder how this Dell monitor is for HDTV? This was i can replace the tv in my bedroom with this one, hooked to the Sat cable box via HDMI and watch tv on that and hook up an amiga :)
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You must not be married or not want to be for much longer.
Putting an Amiga in the bedroom will either end your marriage or keep you single for quite sometime :)
DLH
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Stevee
Great thread. I wonder how this Dell monitor is for HDTV? This was i can replace the tv in my bedroom with this one, hooked to the Sat cable box via HDMI and watch tv on that and hook up an amiga :)
I really can't say as far as TV goes, but with the HDMI input, I have used my Mac Mini and my XBOX360 with the HDMI and it looks great on this and the 2420 monitors.
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Woohoo! Anothetr +1 for the ST2320L, all working well with my A1200 (PAL) in a variety of screen modes.
I can safely say it looks fine as a telly too, I've got it connected to a digibox via HDMI as well as to the Amiga and no problems so far.
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Is a "digibox" a cable tv / sat box? If this monitor can do HD television with HDMI i'll get one!
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InTheSand, where did you buy your Dell ST2320L from?
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Hi Kitch,
InTheSand, where did you buy your Dell ST2320L from?
You can get them online direct from DellNZ:
http://accessories.ap.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?c=nz&cs=nzdhs1&l=en&s=dhs&sku=230-12013&redirect=1
Though you may be able to get them cheaper on Ebay?
Cheers,
Red
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I checked that *bay site and there was one SR2320L for 120's USD with free shipping, but it disappeared; there are several ST2320L's on there -- slightly higher
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I also took the positive recommendation for this thread and bought an SR2320L.
All I can say is, "AWESOME!"
Added the Dell sound bar that mounts under the bottom rim to complete it with sound.
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One real PIA with this monitor is that it lacks vesa mounts....
I was going to take it apart and try and mount something to the back, but I could not figure out how it comes apart.
Anyway, I came up with this solution...
I don't really use it with the A1200 anymore because I have the Indivision AGA MK2 which works with HDMI with my samsung...
Yes, I did break the lamp in the process, and that is why it has a splint.
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That kinda looks like my Sceptre .. does yours have the tv tuner, composite, component etc?
Used it on my main desk here till it started changing channels/inputs/volume on its own .. and yes, I did check and make sure the neighbors weren't messing with me :)
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One real PIA with this monitor is that it lacks vesa mounts....
I was going to take it apart and try and mount something to the back, but I could not figure out how it comes apart.
Anyway, I came up with this solution...
I don't really use it with the A1200 anymore because I have the Indivision AGA MK2 which works with HDMI with my samsung...
Yes, I did break the lamp in the process, and that is why it has a splint.
There is an eBay seller who cuts and folds VESA mounts that attach to the monitor stand connection for about $30. He makes a large variety of these and you need the actual monitor type to get the correct one. Dell felt they would 1) leave out a VESA connection, 2) make each model and minor derivation of that monitor have a different stand connector, and 3) not make any replacement stands. Is this why Micheal Dell bought his company back?
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That kinda looks like my Sceptre .. does yours have the tv tuner, composite, component etc?
Used it on my main desk here till it started changing channels/inputs/volume on its own .. and yes, I did check and make sure the neighbors weren't messing with me :)
No, just DVI and VGA. It looks there is room for those connectors over by the VGA :(
It was supposed to be some sort of gaming LCD or something way back when I bought it.
I can see it now, side-by-side compared to the Dell, the whites a look sorta yellow like an old A500 that has yellowed with age...
Angry Birds Space is great spanning both screens :)
I rotated the septre 90. Can't really do that with the Dell the way I mounted it, but thats ok...
What I really need is 4 monitors and a more powerful computer...
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Color me surprised! My 2005 Sharp 37" TV supports 15KHz too!
I had a couple of those Commodore RGB - VGA adapters lying around (which weren't even intended for the A500, I believe) and I am seeing my native NTSC Workbench screen just fine!
PAL still not supported, however. Looks like I will still have to spring for one of those SCART to HDMI adapters.
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I love the SCART-to-HDMI converters myself and have 3 that I use for getting HiRes to 1080p.
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Do these adapters respond to a change from an NTSC to PAL display mode automatically or do I have to push the switch??
I love the SCART-to-HDMI converters myself and have 3 that I use for getting HiRes to 1080p.
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Mine do automatically, although one can make a manual selection of the couple of variables.
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And does your adapter look similar to this:
https://www.dx.com/p/scart-hdmi-to-hdmi-video-converter-black-129829#.VAYyJmOHdCB
Mine do automatically, although one can make a manual selection of the couple of variables.
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This is the one, or three, that I bought:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/US-Plug-New-8s-SCART-HDMI-to-HDMI-720P-1080P-HD-Video-Converter-HIYG-/380965283264?pt=US_Video_Cables_Adapters&hash=item58b34ce5c0
Took 2 weeks to receive in Missouri
Same model as yours
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Are these converters able to handle any other screen modes like lowres, dblpal/dblntsc or productivity?
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They handle LoRes easily and Super HiRes with hard to read text, but I haven't used those other modes. Buy one and try it!
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This might be more of a SCART question:
So, I have one of the Amiga RGB to SCART cables that includes the RCA left and right audio connections. I assume these get plugged into the Amiga's audio output since the SCART cable carries audio as well. What happens once the audio gets into this adapter? Is it going to do an analog to digital conversion and pass through the audio through the HDMI connection also or will I have to use the mini phono connector on the adapter to get my audio out?
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It comes through the HDMI to audio output of the TV / monitor. My cable came from Amigakit
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Excellent!
It comes through the HDMI to audio output of the TV / monitor. My cable came from Amigakit
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Hi guys!
Can anybody help me on this one? I have the chance of getting any of these Dell models:
- ST2310
- SX2213
- ST2210b
- S2209WC
Anybody has any luck connecting them to an Amiga?
and what about P series and E series? If someone has any of this working with an Amiga without SD/FF, please let me know!
Kind Regards
Sebastian
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gavilan
I can help u.. read this thread and buy a model that is known to be working.