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Title: Update Amiga 600
Post by: TheMud on August 16, 2011, 09:01:20 AM
Now... What can I do to my Amiga 600 ?

Now it has normal spec's - but what can I upgrade easy ? Im not good in messing around with the hardware, so must be simple things, that can make my little baby better.

How hard is it to change the 2.1 kick to 3.1 ?

For what can I use the PCMIA port ?

Want to add a little more RAM - remember from my old A500 that it was pretty easy. Is that also like that with the A600 ?

Can I install a harddrive in the Amiga 600 that  wasnt born with it ? Or is that a difficult task ?

Pleaaaaaasssseeeee help :-)
Title: Re: Update Amiga 600
Post by: TheMud on August 16, 2011, 09:11:36 AM
Just asked my best friend Google :-( Think I probaly should get myself an A1200 :-)
Title: Re: Update Amiga 600
Post by: utri007 on August 16, 2011, 09:19:29 AM
A600 is nice little computer, it is quite difficult to expand, but you can isntall hd and LAN to it easily.

If you own an Amiga 600 with Kickstart 2.x and a revision below 37.300, you need to upgrade in order to use the internal IDE controller

Here kickstart 3.1

http://www.vesalia.de/e_kickstart[154].htm

There is some new hardware availlable for A600, 030 acclerator and scandoubler. Notice that Indivision ECS is not just scandoubler, it also accelerates graphics.

http://www.vesalia.de/r0e_amiga_hardware_amiga_600.htm

But yes, A1200 is better choise, but if you want to hobby amiga, A600 is ok and you can allways get A1200 later
Title: Re: Update Amiga 600
Post by: doctorq on August 16, 2011, 10:57:45 AM
Udgrading the kickstart is just a matter of replacing a socketed chip; anyone that can handle a flat headed screwdriver can do this.

Installing a hdd is just a matter of inserting a cable on the IDE port (your Kickstart version needs to be higher than 37.299; this is shown at theinsert disk animation) and upgrading the ram is a matter of installing a card at the bottom of the computer.

Doing the above is no different than the things you would have to do when upgrading an A1200. Personally I'd go for the A1200 though; far easier to upgrade the ram on these compared to an A600.

If you want to go A1200, I have one for sale (you can find it on dba.dk) and I'm close by. I can help with upgrades for the A600 as well if needed.
Title: Re: Update Amiga 600
Post by: TheMud on August 16, 2011, 01:02:06 PM
Thanx guys :-)

Think I'll order a 3.1 kick - The add some RAM, and a Harddrive :-)

Will any harddrive do ? From a laptop ? Max size ? Think I remember that you cannot install anything greater than 2 GB ? But that should also be more than enough for an Amiga.
Title: Re: Update Amiga 600
Post by: TheMud on August 16, 2011, 01:17:27 PM
Is this all I need to make ADF's come to life on my A600 ?

http://tinyurl.com/3qf83uo
Title: Re: Update Amiga 600
Post by: Kesa on August 16, 2011, 01:18:15 PM
Quote from: TheMud;654921
Thanx guys :-)

Think I'll order a 3.1 kick - The add some RAM, and a Harddrive :-)

Will any harddrive do ? From a laptop ? Max size ? Think I remember that you cannot install anything greater than 2 GB ? But that should also be more than enough for an Amiga.

I recommend you ask Cammy before you do anything. She is the resident expert on the A600 around these parts. Here take a look at this...

http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=58812
Title: Re: Update Amiga 600
Post by: utri007 on August 16, 2011, 06:51:51 PM
Actually hard drive can be any size, but at least boot partion need to be less than 4,2gb

This is what you need

http://aminet.net/package/disk/misc/ffstd64

You can use that kind of PCMCIA solution to transfer adfs to you miggy, BUT you should rather look for WHDload games, so that you don't need to play with floppies. WHDLoad instals games to hard drive.

http://www.whdload.de/

I would suggest you to buy Cloantos's amiga explorer 9,95€ and PCMCIA network card 1€ -10€, so that you could use lan to transfer whdloadized games direct to your miggy's HD.

http://www.amigaforever.com/ae/

It has quite many nice features, example, if you drag adf image to your amigas floppy drive from PC side it writes it directly to disk.

Because you are from Denmark, you can get easy and good display solution with LCD-tv. With LCD-TV hires modes doesn't flicker, you just need right kind of cable.

http://amigakit.leamancomputing.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=226
Title: Re: Update Amiga 600
Post by: Cammy on August 17, 2011, 07:49:48 AM
Hi TheMud!

Although the A1200 is slightly better and more expandable, I think the A600 is still one of the best Amigas to have, maybe it's the second easiest to upgrade these days thanks to the ACA630, A604 and the ease of use of the PCMCIA port and standard 44pin IDE controller.

I do recommend getting some PCMCIA cards, like a CF or SD card reader. The one you linked to will be fine, but remember these parts are quite common and many people are trying to take advantage of Amiga users by selling these parts at over double the regular cost, so shop around. The driver software is available for free on Aminet, and I'm sure it wouldn't be too much effort for someone to send you the drivers on a disk. In fact I'm starting a global disk swapping network for this very purpose.

A PCMCIA ethernet or wireless card will also be very handy, as even a stock A600 can go online with one.

If you don't have a 1MB ChipRAM expansion already, you can't get anything better than the brand new A604, which is available at all the online Amiga retailers. Not only will it expand your A600 to a total of 2MB ChipRAM, but it will provide you with a battery-backed real-time clock, an adapter to plug in an Indivision ECS, and TWO clockports! One is a standard clockport, suitable for all A1200 clockport expansions like high-speed serial/parallel cards, sound cards, or the Subway USB card, which will perform almost twice as fast if it's used on the new high speed clockport which is also on the A604.

If you don't want to shell out for the ACA630 accelerator, which I HIGHLY recommend, you could get a simple PCMCIA SRAM card to bump up your FastRAM, and get a slight speed boost as well. 1MB, 2MB and 4MB cards are available, but they will cost you almost as much as an ACA630, and that has a 25Mhz 68030 and 32MB RAM on it. Also, if you have a SRAM card taking up the PCMCIA slot you can't go online unless you use a serial cable connected to a PC (for dialup-speed internet access, which isn't bad for IRC, Email, MUDs and stuff anyway).

I'm lucky enough to have two A600s, so I have a system set up both ways, and they both have their charm. One A600 is a powerhouse that can run the latest OS3 software, while the other is perfect for those older, simpler applications and great for classic games.

I have a link to a 4MB SRAM card for sale if you'd like to purchase one, I won't post it here because it'll very likely be gone by the time you see my post, there are too many lurkers here ready to snap things up cheap and resell them for profit. It's 85 Euro, where as you could get an ACA630 for around 160 Euro.

For internal storage you can't go past a Compact Flash adapter and a 4GB-8GB Sandisk CF card. The 4GB ones will work perfectly without requiring any patches, as long as you create your partitions smaller than 2GB, so just make two 2GB partitions if you get a 4GB drive, and you're set. For a 8GB or larger drive you'll need some patches and better filesystems, which can be a little tricky to set up at first.

As has been suggested, it's best to use WHDLoad and play games from the HDD/CF these days, it's much faster and trouble-free, especially when the data retention of HD media is bad for DD formatted disks.

Definitely get Kickstart 3.1. The first thing I do with my Amigas is upgrade them to 3.1, or at least stick in a ROM Switcher with 1.3 and 3.1 on it, since 1.3 is the best for running some old floppy based games.

Also, if you haven't got any good game controllers for it yet, these ones are only $4.55 each with free shipping, and are perfect for Amiga games - http://www.dealextreme.com/p/additional-gamepad-controller-for-sku-28970-30530
Title: Re: Update Amiga 600
Post by: AmiDude on August 17, 2011, 08:39:04 AM
Quote from: Cammy;655015
Definitely get Kickstart 3.1. The first thing I do with my Amigas is upgrade them to 3.1, or at least stick in a ROM Switcher with 1.3 and 3.1 on it, since 1.3 is the best for running some old floppy based games.


Can you explain why we need KS3.1 with the A600? KS3.1 is almost exactly the same as KS2.x. The only difference is the DataTypes, so you can view files with MultiView. But for KS2.x there are also plenty viewers for free on Aminet. For example PPShow or ViewTek (VT) and many other little viewers. Even the Icons and WorkBench layout is the same as KS2.x.
I would understand if you use KS3.1 on the A600 for running O.S.3.9, but that's to slow or not nice looking (ugly with 16 colors), even with an 030 accelerator.
So, if not using O.S.3.9 then one should stick with KS & O.S. 2.x, and then you don't even need a 1.3<->3.1 KS-switcher, because KS2.x can run the old games just fine.
Title: Re: Update Amiga 600
Post by: Cammy on August 17, 2011, 09:48:38 AM
Kickstart 2 has ugly scrollbars, yuck! Kickstart 3 has far more trendy white menus.

But really, it's just because there is still a lot of modern software that requires or at least takes advantage of Kickstart 3, and since it doesn't make a considerable difference to the memory usage or speed, I don't see any disadvantage of running it. Sure it's not essential, but it's a lot nicer and the OS has more features.

I don't know why you think that Kickstart 2 can run the old games fine, many A600 owners had to use degrader disks to get 1.3 running in order for older games to work. It was the biggest problem people had with the A600 after the lack of a numeric keypad. Of course there's really no need for me to run old floppy-based games on my A600 when I have some A500s, but I like  my kitted out A600, it's cool.
Title: Re: Update Amiga 600
Post by: kolla on August 17, 2011, 11:03:08 AM
Quote from: AmiDude;655018
The only difference is the DataTypes, so you can view files with MultiView.

AFAIK, there's nothing in the kickstart that has anything to do with datatypes. There are all kinds of other issues when using a 2.x kickstart though. And regarding 3.9, there's no problem setting up 3.9 to be equally stripped down as 3.1 or 2.x, it just takes a little bit of effort.
Title: Re: Update Amiga 600
Post by: utri007 on August 17, 2011, 12:33:04 PM
Quote from: AmiDude;655018
Can you explain why we need KS3.1 with the A600? KS3.1 is almost exactly the same as KS2.x. The only difference is the DataTypes, so you can view files with MultiView. But for KS2.x there are also plenty viewers for free on Aminet. For example PPShow or ViewTek (VT) and many other little viewers. Even the Icons and WorkBench layout is the same as KS2.x.
I would understand if you use KS3.1 on the A600 for running O.S.3.9, but that's to slow or not nice looking (ugly with 16 colors), even with an 030 accelerator.
So, if not using O.S.3.9 then one should stick with KS & O.S. 2.x, and then you don't even need a 1.3<->3.1 KS-switcher, because KS2.x can run the old games just fine.


Some versions of KS2.0 doesn't have scsi.device build in and one version have buggy scsi.device, limiting hard drive size about 100mb

A600 is nice WHDLoad machine, I really don't understand why would anyone want to play with floppies.

PS. Is possible to get 68010 cpu for few euros. 010 will allow quit key with whdload
Title: Re: Update Amiga 600
Post by: AmiDude on August 17, 2011, 12:53:06 PM
Quote from: Cammy;655022
I don't know why you think that Kickstart 2 can run the old games fine, many A600 owners had to use degrader disks to get 1.3 running in order for older games to work. It was the biggest problem people had with the A600 after the lack of a numeric keypad.


I've never had any problems with old games on my A600HD. Even without WHDLoad you can run old games. There are plenty degrader programs around. If the game is not NDOS,
you can copy the contents of a game disk to HD, put an assign to it and run it with a degrader program. No problem at all, and if it gives you problems, you can always use WHDLoad. No need for OS & WB3.1.
Title: Re: Update Amiga 600
Post by: AmiDude on August 17, 2011, 12:59:49 PM
Quote from: kolla;655030
AFAIK, there's nothing in the kickstart that has anything to do with datatypes. There are all kinds of other issues when using a 2.x kickstart though. And regarding 3.9, there's no problem setting up 3.9 to be equally stripped down as 3.1 or 2.x, it just takes a little bit of effort.


I was only explaining that the only "new" feature of KS3.1 is the useless Datatypes.
And what other KS2.x  issues are you refering about?
There's indeed no problem of setting up 3.9 on an A600, but like I stated before;
it's very slow and with only 16 colors it's plain ugly. And what's the point of stripping it down? In that case, there's hardly any difference with KS & WB 2.x.
Title: Re: Update Amiga 600
Post by: AmiDude on August 17, 2011, 01:04:13 PM
Quote from: utri007;655038
Some versions of KS2.0 doesn't have scsi.device build in and one version have buggy scsi.device, limiting hard drive size about 100mb

A600 is nice WHDLoad machine, I really don't understand why would anyone want to play with floppies.

PS. Is possible to get 68010 cpu for few euros. 010 will allow quit key with whdload


?! I didn't say anything about floppies...? I've KS 2.05 V37.350, and it recognizes my 2GB HD without any problems.
And believe me, 2GB is more then enough for a couple of hundred old games! ;)
Title: Re: Update Amiga 600
Post by: Cammy on August 17, 2011, 06:45:25 PM
AmiDude, maybe you should install a 3.1 Kickstart in your A600 yourself and see what benefits it brings! I assure you, Datatypes are NOT useless, and AmigaOS3 was the most advanced consumer operating system on the market back when it was released, I'm not sure why you're so adamant about trying to stop other Amiga users from installing it for themselves when there is no risk involved at all, and only benefits to gain.

Try programming an application that needs to use images some time and you'll see exactly why OS3 and the Datatypes system is superior!
Title: Re: Update Amiga 600
Post by: AmiDude on August 17, 2011, 07:01:42 PM
Quote from: Cammy;655089
AmiDude, maybe you should install a 3.1 Kickstart in your A600 yourself and see what benefits it brings! I assure you, Datatypes are NOT useless, and AmigaOS3 was the most advanced consumer operating system on the market back when it was released, I'm not sure why you're so adamant about trying to stop other Amiga users from installing it for themselves when there is no risk involved at all, and only benefits to gain.

Try programming an application that needs to use images some time and you'll see exactly why OS3 and the Datatypes system is superior!


I've allready got an A600 running with KS3.1 (I've got more than one). I really see no benefit if you're running only WB apps and games. I just can't see any benfit of using datatypes. I'm using all kinds of other text and picture viewers that are doing their jobs pretty good.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to stop other Amigans from using KS & WB 3.1 on their machines, I'm just saying that it's not really necessary to install a KS3.1 ROM and a kickswitcher. That's just gonna cost you extra $$$. For that money (and a couple of $$$ more) one could get a nice ACA630 for their beloved miggy and run their apps and games all the same with KS2.x!
Title: Re: Update Amiga 600
Post by: mfilos on August 17, 2011, 08:02:16 PM
Kickstart 3.1 is one of least expensive investments one can make. If you want serious Hard Disk usage, even 37.300 isn't good and I really find hard to believe that you can find easily an 37.350 Kickstart without having to ask politely someone to burn it for you.

Keeping an old 2.x is just El'Cheapo cause Workbench 3.1 is by far superior to Workbench 2.0x. If you got an 2.1 then it's not that dramatic change but still... having Kickstart 3.1 is nice to have (especially if you intend to use an ACA accelerator despite it's awesome MapROM feature).
Title: Re: Update Amiga 600
Post by: brownb2 on August 17, 2011, 08:23:58 PM
Quote from: AmiDude;655091
one could get a nice ACA630 for their beloved miggy and run their apps and games all the same with KS2.x!

With an ACA630 you could software rekick KS 3.1 :)

I use WB2.1 but then I only use my A600 for games.
Title: Re: Update Amiga 600
Post by: AmiDude on August 17, 2011, 10:16:04 PM
Quote from: mfilos;655099
...and I really find hard to believe that you can find easily an 37.350 Kickstart without having to ask politely someone to burn it for you.

Keeping an old 2.x is just El'Cheapo cause Workbench 3.1 is by far superior to Workbench 2.0x. If you got an 2.1 then it's not that dramatic change but still... having Kickstart 3.1 is nice to have (especially if you intend to use an ACA accelerator despite it's awesome MapROM feature).


Hard to believe? There were standard 37.350 ROMs in 4 of 5 the A600's I bought in the past. You don't have to ask someone to burn it for you, the're not rare.
And explain why an A600 with standard 2.x ROM is " El'Cheapo"? That's a weird statement...
Like you stated yourself; "having Kickstart 3.1 is nice to have"...yeah, but it's not really necessary.
Title: Re: Update Amiga 600
Post by: mfilos on August 17, 2011, 10:29:37 PM
True it's not necessary. It all depends on what you wanna do.
If you want a little something without investing much (alas the El'Cheapo statement) Kickstart 3.1 is the way to go.
Title: Re: Update Amiga 600
Post by: save2600 on August 17, 2011, 10:36:48 PM
Quote from: mfilos;655118
True it's not necessary. It all depends on what you wanna do.
Totally. With "only" 3 Amigas setup in the house, I like having a variety of OS's to play around with. It's not a cheap thing at all.

A1000 runs 1.0-3.1 (68010 and OCS)
A2000 runs 2.1 (28mhz SupraTurbo, HD & CD-ROM)
A3000 runs 3.1 (25mhz 030, HD, Deneb)

...If I had only one system, I'd definitely want it to be 3.1 based though.  :)
Title: Re: Update Amiga 600
Post by: doctorq on August 18, 2011, 08:44:08 AM
I'm with AmiDude on this one; I see no point in upgrading to Kickstart 3.1 either, unless the current Kickstart ROM is below rev. 37.350.

It might be cheap to obtain a Kickstart 3.1, but if the aim is just to play games, why bother? You would just have paid money for features that you don't need. For almost the same amount you can register WHDLoad instead; as I see it that's money better spent there.
Title: Re: Update Amiga 600
Post by: AmiDude on August 18, 2011, 10:44:08 AM
Quote from: doctorq;655161
I'm with AmiDude on this one; I see no point in upgrading to Kickstart 3.1 either, unless the current Kickstart ROM is below rev. 37.350.

It might be cheap to obtain a Kickstart 3.1, but if the aim is just to play games, why bother? You would just have paid money for features that you don't need. For almost the same amount you can register WHDLoad instead; as I see it that's money better spent there.


+1
Finally someone with common sence. ;)
Title: Re: Update Amiga 600
Post by: TheMud on August 20, 2011, 07:02:51 PM
Quote from: Cammy;655015
Hi TheMud!

Although the A1200 is slightly better and more expandable, I think the A600 is still one of the best Amigas to have, maybe it's the second easiest to upgrade these days thanks to the ACA630, A604 and the ease of use of the PCMCIA port and standard 44pin IDE controller.

I do recommend getting some PCMCIA cards, like a CF or SD card reader. The one you linked to will be fine, but remember these parts are quite common and many people are trying to take advantage of Amiga users by selling these parts at over double the regular cost, so shop around. The driver software is available for free on Aminet, and I'm sure it wouldn't be too much effort for someone to send you the drivers on a disk. In fact I'm starting a global disk swapping network for this very purpose.

A PCMCIA ethernet or wireless card will also be very handy, as even a stock A600 can go online with one.

If you don't have a 1MB ChipRAM expansion already, you can't get anything better than the brand new A604, which is available at all the online Amiga retailers. Not only will it expand your A600 to a total of 2MB ChipRAM, but it will provide you with a battery-backed real-time clock, an adapter to plug in an Indivision ECS, and TWO clockports! One is a standard clockport, suitable for all A1200 clockport expansions like high-speed serial/parallel cards, sound cards, or the Subway USB card, which will perform almost twice as fast if it's used on the new high speed clockport which is also on the A604.

If you don't want to shell out for the ACA630 accelerator, which I HIGHLY recommend, you could get a simple PCMCIA SRAM card to bump up your FastRAM, and get a slight speed boost as well. 1MB, 2MB and 4MB cards are available, but they will cost you almost as much as an ACA630, and that has a 25Mhz 68030 and 32MB RAM on it. Also, if you have a SRAM card taking up the PCMCIA slot you can't go online unless you use a serial cable connected to a PC (for dialup-speed internet access, which isn't bad for IRC, Email, MUDs and stuff anyway).

I'm lucky enough to have two A600s, so I have a system set up both ways, and they both have their charm. One A600 is a powerhouse that can run the latest OS3 software, while the other is perfect for those older, simpler applications and great for classic games.

I have a link to a 4MB SRAM card for sale if you'd like to purchase one, I won't post it here because it'll very likely be gone by the time you see my post, there are too many lurkers here ready to snap things up cheap and resell them for profit. It's 85 Euro, where as you could get an ACA630 for around 160 Euro.

For internal storage you can't go past a Compact Flash adapter and a 4GB-8GB Sandisk CF card. The 4GB ones will work perfectly without requiring any patches, as long as you create your partitions smaller than 2GB, so just make two 2GB partitions if you get a 4GB drive, and you're set. For a 8GB or larger drive you'll need some patches and better filesystems, which can be a little tricky to set up at first.

As has been suggested, it's best to use WHDLoad and play games from the HDD/CF these days, it's much faster and trouble-free, especially when the data retention of HD media is bad for DD formatted disks.

Definitely get Kickstart 3.1. The first thing I do with my Amigas is upgrade them to 3.1, or at least stick in a ROM Switcher with 1.3 and 3.1 on it, since 1.3 is the best for running some old floppy based games.

Also, if you haven't got any good game controllers for it yet, these ones are only $4.55 each with free shipping, and are perfect for Amiga games - http://www.dealextreme.com/p/additional-gamepad-controller-for-sku-28970-30530


Thanks Cammy ... I already ordered 3.1 kickstart now :-) And I've ordered a harddrive. Will post when it's installed :-)
Title: Re: Update Amiga 600
Post by: orange on August 20, 2011, 07:30:57 PM
the best way to expand A600 is to get or make that Russian 8Mb fast ram expansion (iirc, A608). it has best price/upgrade ratio. you can find it on amibay or similar.
Title: Re: Update Amiga 600
Post by: mfilos on August 20, 2011, 09:49:54 PM
Quote from: AmiDude;655170
+1
Finally someone with common sence. ;)
The fact that we have different views on certain aspects doesn't mean that some of us lack common sense!

I got 4x A600's over the years... and all of them had Kickstart 37.299 or 37.300 that sux!
Sure if you have 37.350 then you're set for Workbench 2.x and WHDLoad (if you have some extra memory (PCMCIA, A608, MTec, Apollo, ACA etc).

If you have some accelerator though... I find it really akward not to mention silly not to invest 15 euro for the 3.1 Kickstart.

Opinions are like a$$holes though... Everybody's has one :D


@save2600
+1
Title: Re: Update Amiga 600
Post by: doctorq on August 21, 2011, 10:21:48 AM
Quote from: mfilos;655502

If you have some accelerator though... I find it really akward not to mention silly not to invest 15 euro for the 3.1 Kickstart.


I guess I'm silly then, because even though I have an accelerator in my A600, I still don't have the need for upgrading my ROM to 3.1. I really don't see the point in doing soo, when I'm not taking advantage of the "features" it gives me.

I have always thought the advice of upgrading to Kickstart 3.1 was a bad advice, unless there is a specific need for doing so; most people don't.
Title: Re: Update Amiga 600
Post by: AmiDude on August 21, 2011, 10:36:05 AM
Quote from: mfilos;655502
The fact that we have different views on certain aspects doesn't mean that some of us lack common sense!

I got 4x A600's over the years... and all of them had Kickstart 37.299 or 37.300 that sux!
Sure if you have 37.350 then you're set for Workbench 2.x and WHDLoad (if you have some extra memory (PCMCIA, A608, MTec, Apollo, ACA etc).

If you have some accelerator though... I find it really akward not to mention silly not to invest 15 euro for the 3.1 Kickstart.

Opinions are like a$$holes though... Everybody's has one :D


@save2600
+1


About the "common sence" thing; That was not intended seriously. (hence the wink icon).
So, take it easy dude! :)

I've got at the moment 3 A600's, and each of them has standard v37.350 in them.
One A600 got an ACA630 build in and the other has a MTec630/40Mhz. They both run
W.B. 2.1. So, you think it's akward and silly not to invest in KS3.1?! Why?!
I can do with wb2.1 everything what with wb3.1 also is possible.
I think you're the one who's silly here to believe KS3.1 is so allmighty, but infact it gives you only the useless datatypes feature.
And it makes me sick to see that every time some poor new Amiga fan asks what he can do with his A600, then guys like you are shoving the poor sucker KS3.1 down the throat!
Or, even worse try to persuade people to run WB3.9 on their slow 030 systems.
What's the fun of that, huh?!
So stop terrorising people with your weird opinions!
Title: Re: Update Amiga 600
Post by: mfilos on August 21, 2011, 12:25:14 PM
@Amidude
No need to make accusations or take it personal.

As you can see in both of my posts I said that 37.350 is perfectly cool along with Workbench 2.1 that is indeed awesome as well.
Unless you convince me that 37.299 or 37.300 kickstarts are good to have instead of the easy solution of the 15euro Kickstart 3.1.... then I think there is nothing to talk about.

I haven't said that KS3.1 is allmighty as you said, but indeed is a lot better than 37.299/37.300 and easier to find than 37.350.

Also I'm one of the A600 enthusiasts and supporters and never suggested/tried to persuade extreme and expensive stuff to new Amiga users.

Terrorizing people with weird opinions? wtf! LOL
Title: Re: Update Amiga 600
Post by: AmiDude on August 21, 2011, 12:51:54 PM
Quote from: mfilos;655564
@Amidude
No need to make accusations or take it personal.

As you can see in both of my posts I said that 37.350 is perfectly cool along with Workbench 2.1 that is indeed awesome as well.
Unless you convince me that 37.299 or 37.300 kickstarts are good to have instead of the easy solution of the 15euro Kickstart 3.1.... then I think there is nothing to talk about.

I haven't said that KS3.1 is allmighty as you said, but indeed is a lot better than 37.299/37.300 and easier to find than 37.350.

Also I'm one of the A600 enthusiasts and supporters and never suggested/tried to persuade extreme and expensive stuff to new Amiga users.

Terrorizing people with weird opinions? wtf! LOL


I haven't mentioned KS37.299 or 37.300. So, next time, read the posts more carefully.
All I'm saying is that "if" you got KS37.350 in your A600, there's no need for upgrade to 3.1. Unless you want, for some odd reason, to install W.B.3.9.

About you having a weird opinion and terrorising people:

@ mfilos wrote:

"Also I'm one of the A600 enthusiasts and supporters and never suggested/tried to persuade extreme and expensive stuff to new Amiga users.

Terrorizing people with weird opinions? wtf! LOL"

But in this very same thread you wote:

@ mfilos wrote:
"If you have some accelerator though... I find it really akward not to mention silly not to invest 15 euro for the 3.1 Kickstart."

I state my point. This IS indeed a weird opinion... LOL
Title: Re: Update Amiga 600
Post by: mfilos on August 21, 2011, 01:13:45 PM
I said something about opinions in the same post as well :D
...terrorizing is another thing though.

Anywayz, I guess we all said our points of view and we kinda agree that 37.350+ is the way to go on an A600 (if you wanna use Hard Drives that is, cause you might as well use a plain 1.3 Kickstart for floppy usage and be done with).

It's all of what you wanna do, and how much are you willing to spend :)

/sign off
Title: Re: Update Amiga 600
Post by: AmiDude on August 21, 2011, 02:47:40 PM
Quote from: mfilos;655569
...Anywayz, I guess we all said our points of view and we kinda agree that 37.350+ is the way to go on an A600 (if you wanna use Hard Drives that is, cause you might as well use a plain 1.3 Kickstart for floppy usage and be done with).

It's all of what you wanna do, and how much are you willing to spend :)

/sign off


That's more like it! Let people decide for themselfs. No need to shove them KS3.1 down their throats! :laughing:
Title: Re: Update Amiga 600
Post by: AmiDude on August 21, 2011, 02:49:57 PM
Quote from: orange;655486
the best way to expand A600 is to get or make that Russian 8Mb fast ram expansion (iirc, A608). it has best price/upgrade ratio. you can find it on amibay or similar.


Yep, that's a real nice expansion! :)
Title: Re: Update Amiga 600
Post by: danwood on August 21, 2011, 03:18:49 PM
Quote from: mfilos;655099
Kickstart 3.1 is one of least expensive investments one can make. If you want serious Hard Disk usage, even 37.300 isn't good and I really find hard to believe that you can find easily an 37.350 Kickstart without having to ask politely someone to burn it for you.


There is nothing wrong with 37.300, the "it can only access 40 megs bug" is a falsehood, a fallacy spread on the forums over the last decade or so.  

I have two Amiga 600s, both run 37.300 and have 4 gig cfcards in them, split into two 2 gig partitions, no problems at all, ran fine for years.

The only revision you need to be wary of is 37.299 which apparently lacks IDE support!
Title: Re: Update Amiga 600
Post by: mfilos on August 21, 2011, 03:48:51 PM
@danwood
Well you're kright. 37.300 works just fine but in that Amiga and only (or at least Amigas with that kickstart).
At least in a test of 2x 37.300 kickstarts (before I upgrade them to 3.1)... mounting the CF/HD to WinUAE with 3.1 kickstart environment... and HD wasn't booting.
Also preping an HD on WinUAE and mounting it on the 37.300 Amiga... and hard disk wasn't working as well!
Only if you prep/install HD on that specific Amiga worked for me.
It's like a misaligned floppy who's disks... only work on your machine and noone's else :)

Never had this issue with Kickstart 3.1 (I guess it's the same with 37.350 but never owned one to test).
Title: Re: Update Amiga 600
Post by: TheMud on August 21, 2011, 06:34:58 PM
Ehmmm... guys ... Really irritating, you are arguing on my thread - hard to read the parts with what to do then.

But always fun when nerds are in a fight. Watch out for those pocket protecters of yours ;-)