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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Hardware Issues and discussion => Topic started by: XDelusion on August 05, 2011, 11:02:36 PM
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Alright, I now own a ChromaKey +, a SuperGen +, DCTV, and DCTV RGB Converter. I have no manuals except for the Chroma Key and DCTV.
I'd like to plug all of this in together, but am unsure of what order. Likewise I'm not familiar with the software, is there anyone else with this hardware combination that might be able to help out? Also if anyone has software for use with these components and or manuals that they could scan, that would be a major boon for me!
Thankx in advance!
P.S. I own one of Amiga Maniac's V3.1 RGB to PAL/NTSC Adapter's, if someone know's how or if I could use this in conjunction with this other hardware, please fill me in on that too!
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Can't help you out with any of the rest of your setup, but the DCTV alone has a straight through RGB 23pin connector for you to connect any of the other items to between the Amiga and the DCTV and the monitor. I have not used my DCTV RGB converter in a while, so I can't remember what effect it will have on your chain of devices, but it sounds like you are going to have one hell of a mess connecting all of those devices to your 23pin RGB port on the back of your Amiga.
Good luck!
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.. if someone know's how or if I could use this in conjunction with this other hardware, please fill me in on that too!
Don't have most of that, so can't help too much..
I can tell you that I had my DCTV plugged into the Amiga 500, and the DCTV RGB converter into that, and then my Amigamaniac (earlier version) SVideo adapter plugged into that, and I could see 24-bit images via SVideo that way...
desiv
p.s. Would be kual if you could take the time to scan the DCTV manuals and submit them to the Amiga manual website ( http://amiga-manuals.npage.de/ ).. That site doesn't have the DCTV manuals yet.. Just throwing that out there.. ;-)
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So you did not have to build a power adapter for Amiga Maniac's adapter?
Thankx for the manul page link, I was not aware of that one, though it seems the links within the page are often dead. :/
P.S. I recently discovered this site:
Installer's Heaven.
http://l8r.net/install/
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So you did not have to build a power adapter for Amiga Maniac's adapter?
No, it pulls it's power from the RGB port. I guess it gets passed thru the DCTV stuff fine..
At least it worked for me.. I have the DCTV hooked up to my 1084s now, but I'll see if I can test that again (at least composite I should be able to test from Amigamaniac's adapter which would tell me it's getting power) this weekend.
Thankx for the manual page link, I was not aware of that one, though it seems the links within the page are often dead. :/
Josh, who runs it posts on EAB frequently, so I think he's still working on it..
His last reply to the thread on EAB was May 22nd, so not too long ago..
Installer's Heaven. http://l8r.net/install/ (http://l8r.net/install/)
That's a great site..
I tried to upload my driver disk for my Applied Engineering High Density floppy drive to it recently tho, and the e-mails are bouncing.. ;-(
desiv
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No, it pulls it's power from the RGB port. I guess it gets passed thru the DCTV stuff fine..
At least it worked for me.. I have the DCTV hooked up to my 1084s now, but I'll see if I can test that again (at least composite I should be able to test from Amigamaniac's adapter which would tell me it's getting power) this weekend.
Josh, who runs it posts on EAB frequently, so I think he's still working on it..
His last reply to the thread on EAB was May 22nd, so not too long ago..
That's a great site..
I tried to upload my driver disk for my Applied Engineering High Density floppy drive to it recently tho, and the e-mails are bouncing.. ;-(
desiv
Ya, my e-mail just bounced too. :(
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Another Hardware driver page:
http://amihelp.0catch.com/drivers.html
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Alright, I now own a ChromaKey +, a SuperGen +, DCTV, and DCTV RGB Converter. I have no manuals except for the Chroma Key and DCTV.
I'd like to plug all of this in together, but am unsure of what order. Likewise I'm not familiar with the software, is there anyone else with this hardware combination that might be able to help out? Also if anyone has software for use with these components and or manuals that they could scan, that would be a major boon for me!
Thankx in advance!
P.S. I own one of Amiga Maniac's V3.1 RGB to PAL/NTSC Adapter's, if someone know's how or if I could use this in conjunction with this other hardware, please fill me in on that too!
Ahh this brings back my Television Production Days (20 odd years ago).....
The order actually depends on what you want to do.
The First item you would want is the DCTV then probably the DCTV RGB converter. After that it really depends.
Unless you are a weatherperson or a movie producer the Genlock, the SuperGen+, will probably get more use than the Chromakey.
The Genlock is designed to over lay graphics onto video. The Genlock takes the incoming video and usually puts this the amiga's background palette position zero (this is usually black, however does not have to be) and overlays the amiga remaining graphics over the video. The output has both the video signal and the overlaid amiga graphics. With the SuperGen, you should be able to fade in and out both the overlaid graphics and the input video. Play around with the sliders, it will become obvious what they do.
I suggest trying the SuperGen+ directly on the amiga without the DCTV just to get an idea of how it works. A good program would be Deluxe Paint III, IV, or V in 16 color mode Overscanned High-Res/Lace. Or try a Broadcast Titer program. The SuperGen does not need any software in-order to run, all the basic controls are on the Genlock itself.
Back in the day, the production house I worked in had two Magni 4004S and 4010 control boxes, both on A2000s. These were rock solid production quality units. We used these Genlocks primary for titling and occasionally for a digitized and/or Deluxe Paint drawn logo or graphic.
The ChromaKey+ is really different beast all together. It takes a video stream take a specific part of the chroma "color" signal and "keys" in another signal. The most common example is the local weather. There is usually a bright blue or bright green screen, the weather map is "keyed" over the bright blue or bright green signal. You probably don't have a blue or green screen in your house.
We had a high end Chroma Key system, where we could control the keyed color and the width of the keyed notch, in our production switcher. I once made a video where I keyed out the actors' skin and swirled in a colorful pin wheel as the keyed in signal. It made the actors' skin dance with color. To say the least everyone either liked or disliked the effect.
From the Amiga Hardware Database it looks like your ChromaKey+ has a genlock pass through.
http://amiga.resource.cx/exp/chromakeyplus
As for software, like the genlock, you probably don't need any software, for basic use.
I would really doubt you would need to use the Chromakey+ and the SuperGen+ at the same time. If you did, you would probably want to put them on separate amigas. Why would one want to Key in and Genlock in the same computer signal at the same time?
Note: With both of these systems you really need some source video.
I do own a DCTV, but not the DCTV RGB converter, but I would guess it would work with the SuperGen+ and ChromaKey+ just like the amiga would.
As for the RGB to PAL/NTSC Adapter, You probably would not need this on a system with a genlock as the genlock itself can act as an RGB to NTSC adapter (I don't know about PAL you will need to look at the specs of your genlock)
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But I DO have a blue screen! That's what I built up this collection for. :)
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The Chromakey requires the genlock and you can bypass the chromakey when not in use.
There's no reason not to have those two connected at once except complexity.
I don't have any definitive knowledge of how the DCTV fits in, but I'd suspect that you'd put it on the Amiga first, then the RGB converter, then the Chromakey, then the genlock and finally an RGB monitor if needed.
That will probably stick out a good 6 inches plus cable, so be really careful.
I think this will allow you to put Amiga titles over video and key people over Amiga or DCTV images.
I'm just not familiar with how the DCTV interacts with the genlock signals (it might block themm for all I know) and if the DCTV/RGB converter adds a delay that could throw off the genlock timing.
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I'm just not familiar with how the DCTV interacts with the genlock signals (it might block themm for all I know) and if the DCTV/RGB converter adds a delay that could throw off the genlock timing.
The DCTV RGB converter was built specifically to allow DCTV images to work with genlocks..
I don't have a genlock to test it with, but that was the concept.
Mostly I'm sure designed to work with their own supergen, but probably others as well..
desiv
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In retrospect, a Toaster with the Chromakey+ can do everything this set up can do and it's a well documented combination.
If you added a Flyer, then you can even use moving backgrounds.
The Toaster can output 24bit images like the DCTV can.
Just a thought.
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The DCTV RGB converter was build specifically to allow DCTV images to work with genlocks..
I don't have a genlock to test it with, but that was the concept.
Mostly I'm sure designed to work with their own supergen, but probably others as well..
desiv
Thanks, I owned a DCTV, but just used it alone.
By the time I was doing heavy video work, I was using a Toaster.
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But I DO have a blue screen! That's what I built up this collection for. :)
Cool!
Is this just for fun or do you plan to do something professionally with it? :)
The industry has changed so much since I worked in video.
I left my production job and went to grad school. We had a toaster 2000 with a 68040, a couple a2000 some with 68000 and some with 68030s for 2-D animation, titling and overlays. We were just getting a toaster 4000 (first AGA and only AGA machine I had seen for several years), the video flyer was not out yet.
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Here is a video created by the guy who sold me my hardware collection.
[youtube]9hEbs6FX0cM[/youtube]
Sadly he seems to have been stricken with amnesia and does not remember exactly how he had all the hardware set up, though he does state that he used the DCTV in conjunction with the ChromaKey and Gen Locker in order to produce this video.
Now I am not totally sure of what all I can do with my hardware aside of what I see in the video above. One thing I'd like to start out with is to use the hardware to capture stills of sculpted models and toys to convert to sprites for use in my Star Wars game. I think it would be REALLY cool to create my game as much as possible, in the same fashion as Sprite Based First Person Shooters in the early and mid 90's.
I'd also like to use my blue screen to create special effects. I.E. the trick where make it look like someone just got hit by a car....
[youtube]8B20UYQL4Hk[/youtube]
My sister went to Tom Savini's school of special effects in Pennsylvania, and I myself used to tinker with such things a lot when I was 13. Taking this into consideration I would very much like to shoot a few short films with her and my brother just for fun.
Likewise I'd really enjoy adding my self or others into old videos just to make them more psychotic. I.E.
http://redlettermedia.com/shorts/mr-plinkett-shorts/youre-invited-the-olsen-twins-movie/#.TjeYRqlxCsk.facebook
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Oh and Amiga Maniac's adapter will hopefully prevent me from having to use my 1804s, and will hopefully give me the ability to record my final product from S-Video.
I have S-Video out on my laptop, so I'd like to experiment feeding that into the ChromaKey as well. I.E. to take smaller screen shots of Jedi Knight 3D models for conversion into sprites... They can be displayed with a blue background after all...
Lastly I'd like to experiment with the old EBN format:
[youtube]-w67DUjx7q0[/youtube]
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In retrospect, a Toaster with the Chromakey+ can do everything this set up can do and it's a well documented combination.
If you added a Flyer, then you can even use moving backgrounds.
The Toaster can output 24bit images like the DCTV can.
Just a thought.
Wow like this Toaster Chromakey+ combo. I was never much of a fan of the Luma key in the Toaster, it was too limited. You would definitely need to time base correct this combination with the other sources however. I am guess that the Chromakey+ has a bit of delay, and the toaster has a significant delay. It took me over a month to get all of the circuits built and delays matched in the production studio.
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@XDelusion
Cool, This is too much fun. I haven't though about production like this for a long while.
In my mind, these profession uses, in the day, this is what really put amiga on the map, not the games.
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I also have an external Black Burst Generator. I've no idea what this does, I was just told once I'd need it if I ever set up a Toaster System.
As for Toaster, I have a Toaster for the 2000, as well as one Time Based Corrector, but alas, no 2000.
Now in regards to the 2000. You say that the Toaster can do a 24bit output? If that is the case, are there any major advantage to having a Toaster 4000 over a Toaster 2000?
I read in the ChromaKey+ Manual that The Toaster's Luma sucks, and that was why the ChromaKey+ was built.
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@XDelusion
Cool, This is too much fun. I haven't though about production like this for a long while.
In my mind, these profession uses, in the day, this is what really put amiga on the map, not the games.
That's what I'm thinking! More people need to do some productive stuff with their old Amigas to show the world a taste of what could be done on those "old outdated" machines.
In fact it could go as far as showing people exactly why the Amiga is to blame for nearly every piece of tech that we take for granted now a days. Modern computers, how they work, and how they are put together. Amiga did it first in soooooo many ways!
Now as for me, I'm just starting out with all this hardware, so naturally my productivity is going to be a learning experience, but as with many things Amiga, I have a feeling that this like many other things, will not be a very steep learning curb to get around. Amiga has always been very user friendly, not to mention the majority of 3rd party software.
On that note, I think I will be recording videos of my learning experience, as well as uploading tutorials in time as I begin to master techniques and the like.
Glad you're having fun!!! :)
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Xdelusion
Yes, the Toaster 2k does NTSC broadcast quality "24bit" output via Composite! The A4k has faster chips and utilizes aga for full colour crutons and frames.
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Xdelusion
Yes, the Toaster 2k does NTSC broadcast quality "24bit" output via Composite! The A4k has faster chips and utilizes aga for full colour crutons and frames.
What is a Cruton?
And is that to say that the 2000 does not display in full color then, but is limited instead to 32 with HAM modes?
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Check it, youtube tutorials!!! Not for Amiga exactly, but still!!!
[youtube]GjvqsB2EAuc[/youtube]
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Oh yes, and how does Video Toaster stand up against something like Adobe After Effects as far as Video Editing and Manipulation is concerned?
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xdelusion
A cruton is a toaster framestore. The toaster 2k displays 24bit full color images, nothing to do with ami chipset for it output. It has its own chipset!
To compare amiga vt to AE is rather lame :) The only thing Toaster is better for is Live studio / broadcast situations with realtime or near realtime CG overlay and 3d transitions. AE is more for post and its effects are industry standard and blow away any amiga stuff.
Oh and btw you probably wont need the Black burst, thats more for studio situations. For your setup you will be fine without it afaik.
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Elan Performer:
Lets you assign animations to each key on the Keyboard. Limited to 16 colors in High Res and 32 in Lowres. Though it also works with the DCTV thus allowing millions of colors. If combined with the DCTV RGB Adaptor, you can use all this with a ChromaKey and Genlocker which would be great for video DJing as I've been told.
I got the software... Does anyone got the Cheat Sheets that they could scan for the rest of us? These were made so you can write down what animation is assigned to what key. I realize I could just do this on any old piece of paper, but still it would be great to have scans of those and possibly the manuals.
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I also have an external Black Burst Generator. I've no idea what this does, I was just told once I'd need it if I ever set up a Toaster System.
As for Toaster, I have a Toaster for the 2000, as well as one Time Based Corrector, but alas, no 2000.
Now in regards to the 2000. You say that the Toaster can do a 24bit output? If that is the case, are there any major advantage to having a Toaster 4000 over a Toaster 2000?
I read in the ChromaKey+ Manual that The Toaster's Luma sucks, and that was why the ChromaKey+ was built.
The Black Burst Generator ensures you have the proper production black reference, in the days of digital HDTV this probably not a problem, By the way in NTSC the black in not complete black, but a dark gray, This is so one could "see" the difference between no signal and a black signal
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I also have an external Black Burst Generator. I've no idea what this does, I was just told once I'd need it if I ever set up a Toaster System.
As for Toaster, I have a Toaster for the 2000, as well as one Time Based Corrector, but alas, no 2000.
Now in regards to the 2000. You say that the Toaster can do a 24bit output? If that is the case, are there any major advantage to having a Toaster 4000 over a Toaster 2000?
I read in the ChromaKey+ Manual that The Toaster's Luma sucks, and that was why the ChromaKey+ was built.
As for the time Base corrector is sync the signals from the video source. In NTSC there is 30 frames per second or 60 interlaced fields (two interlace fields per frames). the time is 33 ms per frame or 16.67 ms per field. If the video sources are too far out of sync, lets say 10 ms, then attempting to edit with sources to far out of timing will results in bad edit in linear editing. This is again not that much of a problem in non-linear digital editing.
This is different than a long delay which is longer than 33 ms, I remember the toasters delay was close to 100-120 ms or about three or four frames. I had put delays in all of our non toaster video sources so we would better sync up to the toaster.
As for the toaster 2000 vs. toaster 4000. You are correct the video buffer and lightwave output are 24 bit, but the toaster switcher traditions used amiga graphics. The Toaster 4000 enabled fancier AGA switching transition vs. Toaster 2000.
Yes the toaster 2000 Luma is based only on intensity. yes it was not very good, lots of key leaking.
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The Black Burst Generator ensures you have the proper production black reference, in the days of digital HDTV this probably not a problem, By the way in NTSC the black in not complete black, but a dark gray, This is so one could "see" the difference between no signal and a black signal
I remember this was also a legal thing in the US NTSC standard. I had to re-produce a set of commercials because the black was too dark.
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If you are only using one camera, you can still use these without a time base corrector or blackburst.
Cameras have an inherently stable signal when they are live. They don't when playing back from tape though.
If you have a digital camera, like DV, HDV or one of the SD card based ones, you can usually even use them even from recorded footage. They don't have the same problems with the tape mechanism skewing the video timing.
You don't need anything else to get to tape, the output of the genlock will be your final output, so that should go to the tape and your genlock has very high quality output.
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I remember this was also a legal thing in the US NTSC standard. I had to re-produce a set of commercials because the black was too dark.
NTSC black is 7.5 IRE. If you go darker, you risk it being interpreted like a black burst and throwing off the timing.
Same on the whites. If you've ever watched cheap local cable commercials and wondered why the audio had a loud buzz when they show a title, it's because they used bright colors that are too bright.
The television is supposed to be adjusted to make these look correct.
At one point stations cared about quality and would refuse tapes like those, but these days they'll show anything you're willing to pay them to show.
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NTSC black is 7.5 IRE. If you go darker, you risk it being interpreted like a black burst and throwing off the timing.
Same on the whites. If you've ever watched cheap local cable commercials and wondered why the audio had a loud buzz when they show a title, it's because they used bright colors that are too bright.
The television is supposed to be adjusted to make these look correct.
At one point stations cared about quality and would refuse tapes like those, but these days they'll show anything you're willing to pay them to show.
The part about the white (and especially hot reds) would make load buzzing and bleed out colors. The blacks 7.5 IRE allowed "viewer" and the equipment to "detect" a signal. I was using the new Umatic SP editing bay with the black burst still set on 0 IRE (Japanese NTSC black, or real black). I should have looked at the Oscilloscope would have quickly told me I was wrong. As for legality of black the television station could have gotten FCC violations, back in the NTSC days. Luckly, we found this out quickly. I only lost about 4 hours time. My boss, a 30 year television vet, at the time was very nice about it.
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Still have not had a chance to play with my toys. :/
In the mean time I ordered one of these...
http://amiga.resource.cx/exp/videomaster1200
Now I am desperately seeking a Colour Master to go with it.
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Now this what got me into the Amiga in the first place not so much the games although burned a many hours Dungeon Master/II and Shadow of the Beast
"Now in regards to the 2000. You say that the Toaster can do a 24bit output? If that is the case, are there any major advantage to having a Toaster 4000 over a Toaster 2000?"
The toaster 4000 takes advantage of the AGA chipset in certain repects. I think for example you can view 256000 color real time previews of rendered Lightwave animations. You can still use it inside an A2000 I have one in my A2000, I am stuck with 1 meg chip ram but you really need 2 meg chip ram to fully take advantage the Toaster 4000. The Toaster 2000 might be a little more forgiving in that regard, however I remember most Toaster 2000/Amiga 2000 systems that were being used for serious work had been upgraded to 2meg chip ram. The Toaster 2000 can not be connected to a Flyer board like the Toaster 4K.
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The part about the white (and especially hot reds) would make load buzzing and bleed out colors. The blacks 7.5 IRE allowed "viewer" and the equipment to "detect" a signal. I was using the new Umatic SP editing bay with the black burst still set on 0 IRE (Japanese NTSC black, or real black). I should have looked at the Oscilloscope would have quickly told me I was wrong. As for legality of black the television station could have gotten FCC violations, back in the NTSC days. Luckly, we found this out quickly. I only lost about 4 hours time. My boss, a 30 year television vet, at the time was very nice about it.
I forgot about all of that "The blacks 7.5 IRE" I used to work for a division of Public Broadcasting station at a University that handled University class broadcasting and recording. I would have to do quick check of the Oscilloscope before we would go live.
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I remember what we hated the most is shirts with black and white stripes ! Especially running vertically, ouch! And of course keeping those reds and greens from bleeding. Those production people today have got it easy with every thing being digital.
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Is he the fellow in Australia making the Amiga RGB to S-Video adapters?
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Is he the fellow in Australia making the Amiga RGB to S-Video adapters?
Ya, I do believe he's an Aussie.
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@XDelusion
Well put!
"That's what I'm thinking! More people need to do some productive stuff with their old Amigas to show the world a taste of what could be done on those "old outdated" machines.
In fact it could go as far as showing people exactly why the Amiga is to blame for nearly every piece of tech that we take for granted now a days. Modern computers, how they work, and how they are put together. Amiga did it first in soooooo many ways!"
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@Motormouth
Did the Toaster 4000 improve some what on this?
"Yes the toaster 2000 Luma is based only on intensity. yes it was not very good, lots of key leaking.
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The DCTV RGB converter was built specifically to allow DCTV images to work with genlocks..
I don't have a genlock to test it with, but that was the concept.
Mostly I'm sure designed to work with their own supergen, but probably others as well..
desiv
That is the way I recall it being promoted. However I never owned a Supergen or any other genlock device so I am not completely sure.
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THe point of the RGB converter is exactly what it sounds like. It converts the DCTV to an RGB out for use with Genlocks, RGB monitors, recorders, projectors, etc etc etc
the DCTV without said adaptor puts out COMPOSITE video only..
BTW I'm looking for a DCTV RGB adaptor if anyone wants to sell or trade theirs.
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@XDelusion
You got me all excited started on this again! Now I really can't wait to fix up my A2000 so I can finally play with that Toaster 4000. I wished I still had my A1200 or even my old a500 to connect my DCTV again. You can't use the DCTV with the Toaster both installed on the same machine. You can risk blowing one or all three from the way I remember.
You should not need a timebase corrector, if your video sources are mainly digital and not analog. The timebase corrector was really needed back in those days with the different anlalog sources. Video cameras and recording decks would often have slightly different internal timmings.
I don't know if there would be an issue if you used the DCTV out from one Amiga into theToaster input inside another Amiga. While the other source for example might be the S-video out from your PC laptop. I want to try that.
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THe point of the RGB converter is exactly what it sounds like. It converts the DCTV to an RGB out for use with Genlocks, RGB monitors, recorders, projectors, etc etc etc
the DCTV without said adaptor puts out COMPOSITE video only..
BTW I'm looking for a DCTV RGB adaptor if anyone wants to sell or trade theirs.
Right! I would mind having one of those too!
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I payed a pretty penny for my DCTV RGB adapter, though I'm sure there will be more on Ebay and for cheaper sooner or later.
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xdelusion
Yeah I know the seller friend of mine from nyc user group. Very high price. There was one that sold new in box for$25 a few months back and I missed it!
As far as Amipixel statements let me make things clear
If you have a Digital source, you dont need a TBC for INPUT 1 ONLY
All Other Inputs on toaster board 2,3, 4 NEED TBC AFAIK even digital cam in order to sync it.
AFAIK
and why would one put a vt4000 board in the a2k?
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Magnetic: That's the guy, him and I have been talking quite a bit since I've started to buy...
...well EVERYTHING he's got. :)
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xdelusion
Yeah I know the seller friend of mine from nyc user group. Very high price. There was one that sold new in box for$25 a few months back and I missed it!
As far as Amipixel statements let me make things clear
If you have a Digital source, you dont need a TBC for INPUT 1 ONLY
All Other Inputs on toaster board 2,3, 4 NEED TBC AFAIK even digital cam in order to sync it.
AFAIK
and why would one put a vt4000 board in the a2k?
Alright thanks for clearing that up. As far as why I put a VT4000 in a Amiga 2000, well for starters I bought the Amiga 2000 years before the Toaster. I had also intended to eventually buy a Flyer board, so there was no reason to bother with the VT 2000. I have seen a few A2000's with Toaster 4K's in them. Since the Toaster outputs 24 bit and uses own chips anyway, the end result is not going to be any different. Yes it will run better on an A4000 or A1200 converted into tower, but again I wanted a Flyer. I am still considering buying one.
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@magnetic
I was reading the specs of a DPS TBC IV on Ebay, I was trying to remember what GPI Freeze Trigger was for and how it worked? Any idea?
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DCTV program displays fine... Until I go into paint mode, then the screen scrambles. Might my internal flicker fixer be causing problems?
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Also screen gets totally warped on my 1084s when the SuperGen is plugged in. The VGA that my inernal flicker fixer plugs into begins to show random lines of garbage on the screen.
My A600 is PAL, everything else is NTSC.
Should I only be using the SuperGen and DCTV in genlockable screenodes?
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@Motormouth
Did the Toaster 4000 improve some what on this?
"Yes the toaster 2000 Luma is based only on intensity. yes it was not very good, lots of key leaking.
I don't remember, We only had the toaster 4000 about a month before I left for Graduate School, Most of my experiences were on the 2000. We only "played" with the luma key when we first bought the Toaster 2000. We had another production switcher with a rock solid fully adjustable chromakey "ie any color, any notch width control".
Heiroglyph and/or magnetic do you know the answer to this?
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DCTV program displays fine... Until I go into paint mode, then the screen scrambles. Might my internal flicker fixer be causing problems?
You need to make sure the first line of the DCTV IFF is displayed with what ever viewer you are using. It has all the compression info. The picture needs to be at the top of the image screen, ie the menu bar will throw off the DCTV.
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I just removed the internal flicker fixer just to see if it was that that was causing me drama...
It's not. With or without it, if I load up DCTV and click on the corner tab to switch back to my Work Bench screen, the Amiga will lock up. If I load up It's paint app, I am fine, I can click on the buttons below, but if I click in the drawing area, or try to switch to my Work Bench screen, the Amiga locks up once again.
Likewise, If I boot up with my SuperGen plugged in, the screen rolls kind of like displaying a PAL signl on an NTSC television.
I'm really starting to think I need to purchase an NTSC A600.
My 1200 is PAL too, but I'm going to set it up and run the same tests on it.
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xdelusion
First if you are using a PAl amiga with NTSC gear it will NOT Work for genlocking and things due to signal timings, even if you are in ntsc screenmode afaik.
You should stick with NTSC legal screenmodes as well, check DCTv man.
also is you are looking for cool Toaster softwares this seller has a lot of almost new toaster stuff on ebay:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320739335936&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT
also if you dont like the dctv and want to sell the converter let me know :)
Amiga Pixel
GPI Trigger Freeze means you can hook up a joystick or a pedal (gpi trigger google GPI its a standard) so that you can remote freeze frame the video iirc.
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Naghh, I think I'll hold onto that RGB Converter and buy a NTSC 600 instead. You wouldn't want to pay what I paid for it anyhow. :)
Oh, and to make the DCTV work, are you saying I just need to be in a NTSC screen mode?
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(http://www.amiga.org/forums/picture.php?albumid=132&pictureid=804)
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Alright, I loaded up a NTSC Monitor. Same exact results.
I loaded the DCTV floppy image into RAD:. Booted from that (as suggested in the manual), same results. Booted holding mouse buttons down, selected NTSC, same results.
Must find a NTSC 600 for sale...
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xdelusion
Really nice setup! I'm jeaoulous like crazy for your microkorg :) Good luck finding an ntsc a600 super rare..
Please re read my post above you CANNOT use PAL Amigas with NTSC video devices like genlocks/framegrabbers/etc because of the pin voltages of PAL. Yes, you can do NTSC SCREENMODES but the RGB out is still PAl frequencies hence your problems.
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@XDelusion
Fun cool toys! I hope you can ge a NTSC A600. Maybe you can find an A500 with an 020 or 030 and extra ram.
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@Magnetic
Thats right! As soon as I read your description I remembered reading about that.
"GPI Trigger Freeze means you can hook up a joystick or a pedal (gpi trigger google GPI its a standard) so that you can remote freeze frame the video iirc."
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Xdelusion:
I'm not going to help you with any more video stuff until you get rid of that avatar! It makes me feel weird man! :)
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Xdelusion:
I'm not going to help you with any more video stuff until you get rid of that avatar! It makes me feel weird man! :)
Consider your self lucky. She's supposed to be jumping up and down, but Amiga.org seems to have screwed up the GIF somehow.
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(http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a17/gumpazhumor/peepeetime.gif) ...
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(http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a17/gumpazhumor/peepeetime.gif) ...
YES, like that! Fanko's Avatar Animates, how come mine don't? Tis a sad sad day in Panda world. :/ No NTSC 600, no animated PeePee Girl.
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I just removed the internal flicker fixer just to see if it was that that was causing me drama...
It's not. With or without it, if I load up DCTV and click on the corner tab to switch back to my Work Bench screen, the Amiga will lock up. If I load up It's paint app, I am fine, I can click on the buttons below, but if I click in the drawing area, or try to switch to my Work Bench screen, the Amiga locks up once again.
Likewise, If I boot up with my SuperGen plugged in, the screen rolls kind of like displaying a PAL signl on an NTSC television.
I'm really starting to think I need to purchase an NTSC A600.
My 1200 is PAL too, but I'm going to set it up and run the same tests on it.
I think the problem lies in your choice of machines. The A600 has a newer video chipset and, I think, is the culprit.
I was a co-author of the DCTV manual. When we worked on DCTV, in 1990, the Amiga range stopped at the A3000. Since DCTV bangs the hardware quite a bit, I'm thinking you really need to be using an A2000 or A3000 with it. Also, the same problem might be occurring with your SuperGen....again, older video chips were used when this was designed.
Hope this helps!
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I think the problem lies in your choice of machines. The A600 has a newer video chipset and, I think, is the culprit.
I was a co-author of the DCTV manual. When we worked on DCTV, in 1990, the Amiga range stopped at the A3000. Since DCTV bangs the hardware quite a bit, I'm thinking you really need to be using an A2000 or A3000 with it. Also, the same problem might be occurring with your SuperGen....again, older video chips were used when this was designed.
Hope this helps!
Crap! Can anyone confirm this?
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Damn it i really meant it xdelusion please get rid of that avatar I liked that one with the dinosaur. DCTV works fine with a600 its the PAL problem... do research on eab or other places man... trust me on this one buddy... i specialize in vid with amigas especially genlocks and live performance/art installation.
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Damn it i really meant it xdelusion please get rid of that avatar I liked that one with the dinosaur. DCTV works fine with a600 its the PAL problem... do research on eab or other places man... trust me on this one buddy... i specialize in vid with amigas especially genlocks and live performance/art installation.
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Really wish you would get rid of that avatar. I think it borders on the edge of child pornography and has no place here.
I also agree with magnetic's assessment of your video problems with the DCTV on a PAL A600. Switch to using your A600 only in NTSC mode while using the DCTV and/or do the modifications to really switch your A600 from PAL to NTSC with the mods noted on EAB and other places and it should work fine. (some of the mods might only apply to A500 & A2000 Amigas that have removable Agnus chips, so they won't apply to your A600, but maybe enough of the other PAL to NTSC mods can apply to make it work for you)
Edit: I will try my DCTV on my NTSC A600 and A4000D to make sure it works with chipsets later than the A3000 chipset, but I am sure it will work.
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Switch to using your A600 only in NTSC mode while using the DCTV and/or do the modifications to really switch your A600 from PAL to NTSC with the mods noted on EAB and other places and it should work fine.
Dave he cannot do the former it does no good as the pin frequencies on the physical rgb port are for PAL. He could do the hw hack to NTSC but its VERY complicated and you need a good solder tech... so prolly more trouble than its worth.. but finding an ntsc 600 is hard.
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Dave he cannot do the former it does no good as the pin frequencies on the physical rgb port are for PAL. He could do the hw hack to NTSC but its VERY complicated and you need a good solder tech... so prolly more trouble than its worth.. but finding an ntsc 600 is hard.
"Finding an NTSC A600 is hard", yes, that is why I suggested that he try to get his PAL A600 converted to NTSC if he really wants to use all those video add-on's to his RGB port (though I don't know if all the required conversion mods are possible on the surface mount A600 components). I know the conversion from PAL to NTSC will be difficult, but which is more difficult, finding an NTSC A600, or converting the one he already has to NTSC.
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What more difficult is to find someone with enough skill to do that mod.. not worth it imho
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I see 600's on EBay every now and then. If I have to play more than they are worth, then so be it. I love them!! :)
Or if I get a deal on a 2 or 3 thousand...
They I cringe at the bulk...
As for my avatar...
It was in no way my intent to display child pornography, it's disturbing for some unknown reason yes, but kiddy porn?!?
Anyhow, I honestly only brought it back by popular request. In fact some requests came from users who used to hate it. That being said, give me time, I'll grow tired of it again, but as long as it is disturbing... ;)
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I see 600's on EBay every now and then. If I have to play more than they are worth, then so be it. I love them!! :)
Or if I get a deal on a 2 or 3 thousand...
They I cringe at the bulk...
As for my avatar...
It was in no way my intent to display child pornography, it's disturbing for some unknown reason yes, but kiddy porn?!?
Anyhow, I honestly only brought it back by popular request. In fact some requests came from users who used to hate it. That being said, give me time, I'll grow tired of it again, but as long as it is disturbing... ;)
Why not get an A500 then, if you are opposed to the bulk of an A2000, or A3000? There are surely tons of NTSC A500's to be had everywhere in the USA at little to no cost, which will run all of those video add-ons just as well as your A600.
I'll drop the avatar topic, as you seem to have no inclination to remove it. I find it more than a little disturbing and don't understand your choice to use it here. As for the reason it is disturbing, that is obvious. When some old man (assuming you are over 30 and probably over 40) chooses to use such an avatar on a public forum site, it is sure to make some people wonder about the reasons for it's choice and use here. I also would question the motives of anyone that requested that you bring back this avatar, as personally I find it in very bad taste. Child abuse and pornography are real problems in our world and I for one do not think they should be taken lightly or made jokes of, even by displaying this "only disturbing" avatar. I won't comment on it again.
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I can tell you guys dctv works fine with aa amgas.
xdelusion: it's not an attsck dave has a lot og point please change it to something cool urr a cool guy so change ur avatar so ppl dont get the wrong ifea :)
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Why not get an A500 then, if you are opposed to the bulk of an A2000, or A3000? There are surely tons of NTSC A500's to be had everywhere in the USA at little to no cost, which will run all of those video add-ons just as well as your A600.
I'll drop the avatar topic, as you seem to have no inclination to remove it. I find it more than a little disturbing and don't understand your choice to use it here. As for the reason it is disturbing, that is obvious. When some old man (assuming you are over 30 and probably over 40) chooses to use such an avatar on a public forum site, it is sure to make some people wonder about the reasons for it's choice and use here. I also would question the motives of anyone that requested that you bring back this avatar, as personally I find it in very bad taste. Child abuse and pornography are real problems in our world and I for one do not think they should be taken lightly or made jokes of, even by displaying this "only disturbing" avatar. I won't comment on it again.
It actually comes from an old potty truing record cover from the 50's or 60's believe it not. Creepy Hugh? :)
I'll change it later when I'm not so restricted by my iPod and am on a PC.
People these days. Sheesh! ;)
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Yes its creepy. Please remove it thank you :)
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Ya... You guys seriously need to stop undressing her with your eyes. It's not my perversion, it's your own. ;)
EDIT: There now I have the Whore Of Babylon from the movie Metropolis. I hope that better suits your tastes.
Sheesh, all worked up over a 50's/60's Era Potty Training Record Cover. I mean really!
I guess Social Engineering works. Over flood the media with sex sex sex, and sooner or later, all the innocence of life has vanished and people can only see through the eyes of a pervert.
This reminds me of a conversation my dad was having with me one day.
Back when I was about 10, we lived in Dallas Texas and he used to come down to the community pool when he could to swim and play with my sister and I. On top of that he'd also play with all the local kids. He's pick us up and throw us, we'd swim back and he'd do it again. It was heaven for him! But he was telling me that if he were to do something like that today, some parent would call in the "authorities" and hall him off to jail for handling children inappropriately...
And on that note, I long for a little house on the prairie, far from this twisted society, and far from the media which they suckle upon like a sick and diseased teat. Sighhh....
Turn off your tell-lie-vision, return to innocence. It's never too late. And on that note, it's never to late for potty time!!!
For those who long to see a return of my awesome avatar, fear not, she shall return, OH YES! She SHALL RETURN! Muwa ha ha ha ha ha!!! Then we shall all know the art of potty time!!!!
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Of course I hope you guys understand I'm just being sarcastic. I do love my irony!
Anyhow, possible good news. I am looking into a 2000 and a 500 right now. I'm not sure if I'm going to settle on either one, but I'm getting the details now.
If one of these has 2Mb of GFX RAM, and possibly some extra FAST RAM, then I'm probably going to get it. I'm kind of hoping for the 2000 though as I do have that Toaster and TBC just sitting around begging me to use them.
BTW, can ZorroII cards be adapted to work in that slot in the side of the 500?
Are upgrades such as CPU upgrades for the 500 and 2000 very hard to find or expensive for that matter?
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Xdelusion
Thx for changing the avatar. The metropolis one is super cool and more than valid today.. c my responses below..
Of course I hope you guys understand I'm just being sarcastic. I do love my irony!
Anyhow, possible good news. I am looking into a 2000 and a 500 right now. I'm not sure if I'm going to settle on either one, but I'm getting the details now.
Before you get one, PM me details I might be able to give you a better deal! I have a couple of nice a2ks here with extras..
If one of these has 2Mb of GFX RAM, and possibly some extra FAST RAM, then I'm probably going to get it. I'm kind of hoping for the 2000 though as I do have that Toaster and TBC just sitting around begging me to use them.
BTW, can ZorroII cards be adapted to work in that slot in the side of the 500?
Are upgrades such as CPU upgrades for the 500 and 2000 very hard to find or expensive for that matter?
CPU upgrades for a500 rare and expensive, not so much for A2k. A good board for over $100..
There are Zorro 2 adapators for A500..
As far as a Toaster goes. You are gonna want at least 030 and 8mb of ram.. if you run old versions of toast software you can get a away with less.
hope this all helps
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Well thank you for the offer, I'll keep you posted as more details arrive.
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Btw, did you say all this junk will work with a NTSC 1200 too?
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it certainly will work with ntsc a1200 and better too... its 32bit first off, has AGA (so wouldnt even need dctv as you can use ANIM AGA format!)
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Pondering a purchase from AmigaKit...
I see a 2000 on Ebay for cheap cheap, but alas, it does not say how much GFX RAM it has. Waiting on response from seller.
DAMN IT!!!!
All the 1200's on AmigaKit are PAL too. Suck suck suck!
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PM sent
forgot to mention, NTSC
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PM sent
forgot to mention, NTSC
My savior? :)