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Operating System Specific Discussions => Other Operating Systems => Topic started by: jorkany on July 29, 2011, 08:48:07 PM
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Average IE user has an IQ of 80. No wonder Internet fraud is still so rampant!
http://www.aptiquant.com/news/is-internet-explorer-for-the-dumb-a-new-study-suggests-exactly-that/
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Proud Opera user right here, folks. ;-)
But seriously, wonder what the results would've been if a few Amiga users had also taken that poll? :-D
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As funny as this story is, I wouldn't put much weight in it. I doubt their sample population is representative.
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I think if they had asked a few plants it would have been higher.
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I'm not too surprised by this. I have often thought that Windows and IE users are less intelligent on average than users of other operating systems and browsers.
Not because only stupid people would use them. Rather, stupid people will go for the "default" option. Windows is the "default" option on most PCs on the high street (other than Apple, which is a more expensive option) and IE is the default browser for Windows. I suspect that if Firefox had been the default option on Windows for a good few years a similar study would show that Firefox users are less intelligent on average.
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I find all of these anti-MS/IE rants or reports simply stupid. A small two bit firm in Canada has decided to try and get some cheap publicity and you guys have fallen for it hook, line, and sinker.....
I use IE/MS and have no problems saying so, I find the alternatives even worse - liked only by people who jump on bandwagons:
Apple: completely focussed on asthetics, no substance and often technically inept (if you can't read that sentence properly its probably because you were holding your iPhone improperly and the signal went - silly!). Oh, and to afford any of the products you have to have more money than sense......
Google: Doesn't do evil......hmmmm photo of your house anyone? Have a unsecured wi-fi network you've forgotten to password protect - dont worry Google have catalogued this for you on their great (hacked) server in the sky. But you dont have to email them directly to complain - they're reading your private emails so they already know how you feel!
I'm not saying MS are the best thing since sliced bread but at least they are not out to steal your data or charge you a fortune for a locked system. Love them or loathe them you have to acknowledge that without them the world would be a different place today; no Windows, Office or IE?? Computers with a myriad of standards and operating systems, completely incompatible and user interfaces infinitely harder to use - no thanks, I'd rather have MS for all their faults they've done wonders for our society and business environment.
Oh, and for the record I'm a comparatively competant computer user, building systems, programming in VBA & C++, etc...maybe the users we have to worry about the most are those who find such enjoyment in these surveys!
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@AccyD
I'm sorry but I'll trust Google over Microsoft any day.
As for apple, well yes some of their policies and hardware suck hard, no doubt. Yet, I haven't found anything in wintel world to replace the macbook pros (no I am not a apple fanboy even though I use their products). BTW I'd like to see the day when the next Windows version is 24€ and can be installed to up to 5 machines ;-)
Around here IE is only used by inexperienced new users or due to policy reasons (company intra or other web apps require IEx). Everyone else is using Firefox, Opera or if you're trendy: Chrome. I guess some apple users are happy with Safari, too, but I'd still think power users use something else.
I have to agree with this particular study is just plain silly though.
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maybe the users we have to worry about the most are those who find such enjoyment in these surveys!
Well said, I've installed different browsers from netscape navigator to firefox. I always end up on IE.
Google have been caught too many times doing things with data that is illegal. Hacking into peoples wireless networks and logging their traffic is innexcusable. So no I don't trust them one bit.
Google Docs & Chrome OS is all about getting access to your data, anyone who doesn't get that is very naive.
Microsoft get a bad press because they are the biggest, Apple & Google do much worse but people don't mind because they are popular. If you buy into that **** then you deserve what you'll get.
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Around here IE is only used by inexperienced new users or due to policy reasons (company intra or other web apps require IEx). Everyone else is using Firefox, Opera or if you're trendy: Chrome. I guess some apple users are happy with Safari, too, but I'd still think power users use something else.
I only ever see inexperienced users who think they are power users installing firefox, opera or chrome. Or because of policy reasons, like delluded companies who think IE is a security risk.
But knock yourself out.
And can you explain what a power user of the web even is?
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Google Docs & Chrome OS is all about getting access to your data, anyone who doesn't get that is very naive.
Yeah right... Keep wearing that tin foil hat.
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Average IE user has an IQ of 80. No wonder Internet fraud is still so rampant!
http://www.aptiquant.com/news/is-internet-explorer-for-the-dumb-a-new-study-suggests-exactly-that/
Seriously, would you expect more? IE is used by the majority of the population using computers as its what they get with theyr shiny new PC. The majority dont care what a computer even is as long as they can surf for porn, play games and talk to theyr friends in one form. Its like a car, they could not care less what brand it is as long as it works.
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I only ever see inexperienced users who think they are power users installing firefox, opera or chrome.
Weird place you live in.
Or because of policy reasons, like delluded companies who think IE is a security risk.
Organizations that force users to use outdated IE are source of major security headache. There are numerous organizations that are unable to upgrade from IE6 because of Microsoft lock-in in their various internal web sites.
But knock yourself out.
Likewise.
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There are numerous organizations that are unable to upgrade from IE6 because of Microsoft lock-in in their various internal web sites.
Just for info, and my cynical mind, could you please cite some of these organisations?
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Many, many corporations that force outdated versions of IE upon their employees to maintain compatibility rather than just moderize Intranet structures.
So rampant in fact Microsoft has started their own campaign against IE 6 usage. It reflects poorly on MS, as the newesr versions of IE are quite an improvement. That being said, I'll stick with Chrome :)
I won't touch IE of any variety with a ten foot pole - and I'm a MCSE/MCSA.
http://www.ie6countdown.com/
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Average IE user has an IQ of 80. No wonder Internet fraud is still so rampant!
http://www.aptiquant.com/news/is-internet-explorer-for-the-dumb-a-new-study-suggests-exactly-that/
Oh this is getting so forwarded to so many people I work with. I should say "people I fix with" actually.
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@AccyD
Mine. Our PCs still have IE6, and the updates are pushed down to the clients meaning the IT department control which updates the PCs get, and they've chosen not to update IE. They say it's for compatibility with some old Citrix setup we use for QPulse and the likes... Now, for my particular job I have admin access in my department so I could upgrade it, but personally I've installed Chrome on my machine. Yes, I have used all the others. I just find that I prefer Chrome for many very small reasons.
Not a Google fan as such, and I know they do some nasty stuff, but if you stick to the rule of *never* putting anything on the internet you don't want people to see, you'll be fine regardless of what evil corporation's software you use. I couldn't care less if Google read my report on Google Docs about our latest long-term stability test on one of our products, or see my spreadsheet of how many outstanding work orders I have each month. Good for them - they might even enjoy my probe temperature study on haemostasis analysers! For me it's bloody handy access to these files wherever I am. And I happen to find Google Streetview very handy as well for finding an address. Knowing that someone has a big tree outside their house and a red door makes it a little bit easier to find that house party ;)
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I only ever see inexperienced users who think they are power users installing firefox, opera or chrome.
Wow. That must make me a pretty inexperienced user. I guess I'm only programming as a hobby for 20 odd years, and work developing firmware for the medical devices industry, so that doesn't count as experience, right? The way you say that almost sounds like "Real men only use IE" as if anyone using another browser doesn't really know what they're doing, and can't handle IE. I guess that makes Linux users like myself total wimps, right?
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Stupid study from stupid people. Just another free microsoft bashing type.
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Most users I find using Chrome or Safari are simply too computer illiterate to know enough to unselect it while installing some other unrelated application or update that tries to push it to their system. It's pretty much unneeded bloat for my clients.
I also love how uninstalling Chrome can leave URL shortcuts and links unusable because it doesn't correctly remove itself from certain registry keys.
Complete garbage IMO.
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@Kremlar
Chrome? Bloat?? Ummm... Not sure how you arrived at that conclusion. I find that putting Chrome on computer-illiterate users' PCs actually reduces the amount of bloat they end up with. Have you never gone to a client's PC to find they have IE with 6 or 7 toolbars installed as free "extras" from various packages they've installed? Maybe a Yahoo toolbar, a Google toolbar, sometimes the odd warez or pr0n toolbar, a couple of printer driver toolbars and of course the free virus checker toolbars. All installed fairly innocently.
Anyone with a "slow internet" problem that I've told to install Chrome have been blown away by the speed and efficiency of it, and that's mostly to do with the toolbars and plugins rather than IE itself. And way to go helping out your users there by leaving them with broken shortcuts. It's a pretty crap way of handling things on Chrome's part, but you sound like you enjoy the extra hassle you cause your clients by doing that.
In fairness, I don't like Safari under Windows at all, but I use it most of the time on my Macs.
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Chrome? Bloat?? Ummm... Not sure how you arrived at that conclusion. I find that putting Chrome on computer-illiterate users' PCs actually reduces the amount of bloat they end up with. Have you never gone to a client's PC to find they have IE with 6 or 7 toolbars installed as free "extras" from various packages they've installed? Maybe a Yahoo toolbar, a Google toolbar, sometimes the odd warez or pr0n toolbar, a couple of printer driver toolbars and of course the free virus checker toolbars. All installed fairly innocently.
Sure, though mostly on outdated systems running outdated versions of IE. I also find other "bloat" such as Chrome, Safari, etc., all installed inadvertently because a user wanted to install Google Maps, iTunes, etc.
I get calls from users unable to perform work-related functions because the sites they visit do not work on Chrome which was inadvertently installed.
Anyone with a "slow internet" problem that I've told to install Chrome have been blown away by the speed and efficiency of it, and that's mostly to do with the toolbars and plugins rather than IE itself.
That's fine. I'm just not a fan of applications trying to push down other applications to unsuspecting users, like Chrome, McAfee Security Scan, etc. Seriously - if someone WANTS to install Chrome, they will install it - they don't need it pushed to them.
And way to go helping out your users there by leaving them with broken shortcuts. It's a pretty crap way of handling things on Chrome's part, but you sound like you enjoy the extra hassle you cause your clients by doing that.
Who said my clients were left like that?
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Anyone "pushing" Chrome at you should be suspect in the first place.
Google, afaik - has no "bundling" deals with anyone when it comes to Chrome. They don't make a dime off it and don't need to cram it down anyones' maw.
It's one of the fastest and most secure browsers in existance, and I have never seen it exhibit anything (broken links, etc) like you have mentioned, and I've used it since beta.
The whole idea that inexperienced users only use FF or Chrome is hysterical. The noobs use what comes on systems, and in the mainstream that is PURELY IE or Safari and nothing else, and it's been that way for 20 years due to OEM OS deals.
You have the option to NOT install Chrome/Safari when installing itunes or any google apps. You are never forced to. IE, on the other hand, is linked to Windows in the belly of the beast and requires real magic to ever get rid of.
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Google, afaik - has no "bundling" deals with anyone when it comes to Chrome. They don't make a dime off it and don't need to cram it down anyones' maw.
They certainly have and do. A quick Google search brought up this:
http://download.cnet.com/8301-2007_4-10409905-12.html
and this:
http://googlesystem.blogspot.com/2009/03/google-chrome-bundled-with-realplayer.html
and I'm sure I could find others if I cared to.
It's one of the fastest and most secure browsers in existance, and I have never seen it exhibit anything (broken links, etc) like you have mentioned, and I've used it since beta.
Perhaps you've never uninstalled it? I see it all the time:
http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/Chrome/thread?tid=6223bc3b0294b96a&hl=en
http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=80831
The whole idea that inexperienced users only use FF or Chrome is hysterical. The noobs use what comes on systems, and in the mainstream that is PURELY IE or Safari and nothing else, and it's been that way for 20 years due to OEM OS deals.
I never said that, but I did say MOST users that I find with Chrome or Safari installed have no idea where it came from because they installed it inadvertently.
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IE is horrid. That's all I have to say on this matter. ;-)
Steve
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IE 9 is a complete turd for me. I heard they were going to focus on speed and decluttering the UI. I was eager to give it a try as I have no great allegiance, I just want something fast and not filled with useless toolbars I can't get rid of. I haven't HATED other versions of IE in the past, but I've always ended up using FF or Opera and now Chrome just because they were that much better (and to me, Chrome is MUCH faster than all the other bloated stuff).
Anyway, I still use IE9 just for one gmail based account as I have two I need open at all times. It's comical how bloated and slow and annoying it is for this. I'd also say the UI is ugly. After taking forever to load up and go to web pages, the browser keeps asking me if I want to go through my plugins to remove them and speed them up (which I did). Still slow. I am a heavy keyboard shortcut user as I hate using the mouse to scroll or navigate back through pages and stuff. I use the arrow keys to scroll up and down through my list of emails. I press it a few times to go down ... and it takes like 1 second to process each key. It's comically slow, like being on a 486 or something. Press down 5 times, step back, and watch it grind the screen down for 5 seconds. Geez. On the other side I always have like 20 tabs open in Chrome and it's amazing how well it always performs. I never had these horrid performance problems with IE8 either.
So yes, I think if you want to keep using a turd like IE9 I think you might not be on the smarter side, but more likely it's just computer illiterate people not knowing any better (because they aren't smart enough to be computer literate?).
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Yeah right... Keep wearing that tin foil hat.
Is that the same tin foil hat all you web power users are wearing.
Anyone who thinks, "phew I'm glad I don't use IE after reading the survey" is one of your web power users.
Microsofts motives are clear cut, they want market share for their operating systems.
Google don't make money any other way than processing your data. All their products involve you giving them data to process. Ignoring that they might do something evil with your data, I don't want to help them make money from something I give them. Especially as there are always cheaper alternatives.
I understand both companies motives & act accordingly, so I don't need a tin foil hat thanks. Trusting google with everything is like replying to an email asking for you bank details and PIN.
Weird place you live in.
Organizations that force users to use outdated IE are source of major security headache. There are numerous organizations that are unable to upgrade from IE6 because of Microsoft lock-in in their various internal web sites.
It's the same place you live in. Outdated IE is just as stupid as picking an alternative in the workplace. Any company that standardises on anything other than the latest version of IE is doing it for the wrong reasons.
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I'm not sure people who are illiterate with computers will stick with IE. In fact i can't think of anyone who uses IE - including people who have no idea about computers. Everyone i know uses either Firefox or Safari.
In my opinion IE9 is a victory for Firefox4 and every other browser. Especially the way they copied things like tab pinning and moving tabs to different browser windows etc. Things other browsers have been doing for yonks. HAHA!
Off topic. My 2 cents about browsers in general. I hate the way browsers try to get me to go to specific sites like Facebook or some other stupid site when i open a new browser window. Opera, Safari and i think IE9 do this and it really gets under my skin. I've tried them all except IE9 and i think they all suck in some way. So i am happy to stick with Firefox4 for now. I also love the way you can highlight a word and right click and select "search with Google".
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And can you explain what a power user of the web even is?
A power user of the web is just someone whose even more thicker than the rest of us who use the web... :)
Can't say I'm surprised by this study, it just confirms what I've always thought and just over a year of using the net has only proven to me, it's a place generally used by numpties (meself included) for nothing more than gibbering keech, watching porn and generally cos even with 600 odd TV channels on Sky the telly's still crap... :)
It has one saving grace though, it means I don't have to go out so often just to wind people up and rip the P out of them... :)
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8 out of 10 survey's are bogus :-)
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8 out of 10 survey's are bogus :-)
Strange I read a survey that said only 7 out of 10 survey's were bogus... ;)
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Wow, what an absolute crock that survey is. An average persons IQ is significantly more than 80, so theyve obviously handpicked responses/results to optimal effect.
As for any sort of "vs." nonsense in regards to browsers, they all have pros and cons. I actually like IE 7 and 8 and dont like Firefox, but that's down to taste rather than intelligence. Neither are flawless. All browsers borrow ideas from each other and all differ slightly from each other in terms of implementations of different standards. Anyone who argues otherwise is as stupid as the "survey" itself.
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went from Ibrowse to Opera and then onto Firefox where I have remained. Mainly because of the add-ons like adblock and flashblock. And because I can't be arsed learning another UI and another way to do the same thing, again.
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I knew there was a reason why I prefer Opera to Firefox! :D
On a more serious note, this reveals more about what computers have become, than it says anything about the current World of computing is like; somewhere in the 90's, things exploded and everyone had to get one.
Not knowing why or how, those brave fools jumped straight into the fray, making technical support a job nobody wants and every 16 year-old kid on the block a self-proclaimed computer expert.
This is not about stupid people choosing a specific browser - it's about stupid people buying computers at all. Back in '82, few, if any stupid people would buy a computer. Today we're having our entire computing experience adapted to the level of a bunch of blabbering dim-wits who don't even know what a web browser is.
Sad, innit? :(
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IE9, Opera, Firefox, IBrowse, AWeb - all available in my lappie. Btw, my IQ is about 135 so the more browsers the better? ;)
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The way you say that almost sounds like "Real men only use IE" as if anyone using another browser doesn't really know what they're doing, and can't handle IE. I guess that makes Linux users like myself total wimps, right?
In my experience, Linux users are over compensating.
While we're comparing CV's, I've over 20 years commercial unix experience. Embedded, desktop, web applications. Hardware simulation. Various forms of assembly language.
Yet I always end up finding other web browsers to be a complete waste of time. I'd rather waste my time doing something more interesting.
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In all the office-based jobs I've had, IE has been the only (officially supported) option for web browsing, and it's fine to use to get a bit of web browsing done in-between work tasks. Some heavier sites don't work so well with the version we use (IE 7 or 8, can't remember), but otherwise it's fine.
At home I mainly use Opera, with some usage of Firefox. My home web browsing experience is definitely enhanced by using these two browsers, tons of nice features that make browsing easier. One example off the top of my head is Speed Dial in Opera, if I want to open a new tab with YouTube I've got it set to Ctrl+7, Gmail is Ctrl+2, etc... Small things I miss at work include the shortcut Ctrl+Shift+T, which in Opera and Firefox re-opens the last tab you closed, useful if you closed it too quickly.
For all those concerned about Chrome being a tool to collect your web usage data, there's a really simple solution: Use SRWare Iron. It's basically Chrome without the privacy issues. Link here:
http://www.srware.net/en/software_srware_iron.php
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I use opera always since lot times ago because it's the faster out there
jeje my IQ must be high
another point....
the average IQ of internet users today on 2011 is much lower than was 15 years ago
today internet is surfed by tons of dumbs,stupid women and chiks,lower-class ppl etc
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How to Lie With Statistics (http://www.amazon.com/How-Lie-Statistics-Darrell-Huff/dp/0393310728/)
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Been using Chrome pretty happily. Used Rekonq for a while which is keen but (at least at the time) a bit unstable. Epiphany is excellent too
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I just sharted.... =)
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I only ever see inexperienced users who think they are power users installing firefox, opera or chrome. Or because of policy reasons, like delluded companies who think IE is a security risk.
But knock yourself out.
And can you explain what a power user of the web even is?
Or maybe cus they can install the plugins that let them download videos off YouTube and the like. Also Firefox supports the old file format under http for say /D|/ which IE doesn't and Firefox is way more easy to customise, has a great add blocker and gets updated regularly. There is nothing wrong with IE which I guess the majority of the world uses. I have Windows7 which runs without fault but use Firefox so I can watch Mumford and Sons at Glastonbury .. Easy choice don't you think and not rocket science.
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I have Windows7 which runs without fault but use Firefox so I can watch Mumford and Sons at Glastonbury .. Easy choice don't you think and not rocket science.
I guess I only go to sites that work fine with IE, so it's just worth the hassle of installing anything else. The add blocking in IE9 is fine & I have software for downloading videos off all sites. I have no time or motivation to customise anything either.
I'm the type of person that people except to run Linux or at least not IE, but I don't feel the need to conform to that stereotype.
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surprise:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-14389430