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Title: Amiga 600 to buy or not to buy
Post by: Sutty100 on July 16, 2011, 10:48:42 AM
An oppertunity to buy an amiga 600 has come up and I cant decide if I should or not! Basicaly I have a 500 and have wanted a 1200 for some time but not really been fussed about the 600. I sort off see it stuck in the middle with ECS being not much better than the 500 but with the chance to fit a harddrive which is something I have wanted on an amiga which would be cool! I do think its the best looking of the amigas though!

So basicaly I wondered what you all think of the 600 should I buy it??
Title: Re: Amiga 600 to buy or not to buy
Post by: Heinz on July 16, 2011, 11:01:11 AM
The A600 was my first Amiga Computer. It isnt that bad, but it is as slow as a A500.
If you want to use a Harddrive, make sure it have Kickstart 2.05 or better, because the older Kickstart dont support the internal IDE Port. And you will need some Extra RAM.
Title: Re: Amiga 600 to buy or not to buy
Post by: XDelusion on July 16, 2011, 11:16:12 AM
I absolutely love my 600, and I know that if Cammy drops in here, she'll show you plenty of photos showing you why they are so loveable!

I my self have the A604, Internal Flicker Fixer, Subway USB, Compact Flash IDE hard drive, 25Mhz 030, 32Mb of RAM (plus 2Mb Gfx of course), 8Gb Compact Flash and SD reader for the PCMCIA slot, MIDI box, DSS+ Sound Sampler, Genlocker, PS2 Adapter (emulates CD32 pad), Micromys PS2 Mouse Adapter...

...and I think that about covers it. It packs quite a punch for it's small size and I use it more than my A1200, even though the 600 can't compete with my A1200's 060, AGA, and other such features. I think it's the size that keeps me coming back.

Of course it is important to note that it cost me about $800 to put this all together.

The MiniMig and other such clones are starting to look attractive lately...
Title: Re: Amiga 600 to buy or not to buy
Post by: Brian on July 16, 2011, 11:25:18 AM
The A600 was my first Amiga also. Going from an A500 to an A600 is a small step, you get internal IDE controller, easy step to get 2MB chip and PCMCIA port for a cheap NIC option but apart from that it's not more than an A500+ and it have limitations that until recently was hard to get around.

I'm talking about CPU/Fastmem (and other upgrades)... this have been the Achilles heel for the A600 until the ACA630 hit the market, still available I can honestly say I recommend the A600 to anyone who's knows it's limitations and still concidering it but budget an ACA630 into the purchase or you'll feel duped pritty soon. With that said get an A604 (or A603) chipmem expansion while you're at it and you'll get clockport as well as a possibility to upgrade with a scandoubler when/if the need arise.

In short, you get a lesser machine than an A1200, no AGA and with an upgrade path that is very narrow and again more expensive than the A1200. But it is also a computer that takes up less space so if you got the money I say go for it ALSO... as in get an A600 AND an A1200 and I'm sure you'll be happy with both. :D
Title: Amiga 600 to buy or not to buy
Post by: tone007 on July 16, 2011, 11:35:13 AM
I like them, but since you've already got a 500 I'd probably just pick up a couple of upgrades for that one and hold out for the 1200.  The 500's hardware is much more reliable and easy to repair, and RAM/hard drive combos aren't too hard to find.  The 600 would be more worthwhile if you planned on adding an accelerator to it, CPU upgrades are a bit harder to find for the 500.
Title: Re: Amiga 600 to buy or not to buy
Post by: mfilos on July 16, 2011, 02:58:59 PM
As other people said, A600 is awesome and can get some upgrades a lot easier than A500.

These are:
- Hard Drive or El'Cheapo CF Adapter+CF Card as HD
- PCMCIA Ethernet NIC or PCMCIA to CF Adapter for easy file transfer. Also 2-4MB Fast RAM Card found on eBay.
- 68030 Accelerator that is still being sold from trusted Amiga Shops (incl. warranty)

Apart from the fact that it's cute and small I can't say anything more :)

If you wanna play AGA games then it's a definite NO though and you should focus into getting an A1200.

If you leave an A600 only with the 2MB Chip RAM (without Fast RAM at least) you won't go very far with WHDLoad games (and that's a serious reason). Unless you have and love Floppy disks (sorry but I don't) so then you seriously don't need an A600 cause your A500 can fulfill just fine your needs :)
Title: Re: Amiga 600 to buy or not to buy
Post by: Sutty100 on July 17, 2011, 01:47:02 AM
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Unless you have and love Floppy disks (sorry but I don't) so then you seriously don't need an A600 cause your A500 can fulfill just fine your needs :)

For some reason I do enjoy floppy disks! maybe for the noices they make or the satisfying clunk when they go in the drive! Most likely though because I have been used to CD-ROMS so it is a novelty! either way I  think maybe I will keep my money and try and by a 1200 they are so expensive though!!
Title: Re: Amiga 600 to buy or not to buy
Post by: TheGoose on July 17, 2011, 03:07:39 AM
Yeah, after all the Cammy advocating and add-ons from Individual Computers for a the A600, it's become the must have ECS machine, I might get one if one comes my way.
Title: Re: Amiga 600 to buy or not to buy
Post by: Heiroglyph on July 17, 2011, 04:17:57 AM
Quote from: Sutty100;649903
For some reason I do enjoy floppy disks! maybe for the noices they make or the satisfying clunk when they go in the drive!!


The clunk followed by the slide popping open...I thought I was the only one who appreciated that ;)

Can't live without no-click though, that constant clicking drove me insane.
Title: Re: Amiga 600 to buy or not to buy
Post by: save2600 on July 17, 2011, 05:45:14 AM
Quote from: Heiroglyph;649918
The clunk followed by the slide popping open...I thought I was the only one who appreciated that ;)
Nope  :)

I just traded away a gorgeous A500 that had the most spectacular "clunk". The clunk had a bit of a springy snap to it actually. Felt like new and that simple little tactile feeling took me straight back to 1988  :knuddel:
Title: Re: Amiga 600 to buy or not to buy
Post by: Kesa on July 17, 2011, 07:11:34 AM
Quote from: Heiroglyph;649918
The clunk followed by the slide popping open...I thought I was the only one who appreciated that ;)

Can't live without no-click though, that constant clicking drove me insane.

WTF! What click? There is no click! Why does everyone keep complaining about clicking noises?!   :confused:
Title: Re: Amiga 600 to buy or not to buy
Post by: CritAnime on July 17, 2011, 08:37:47 AM
I have a 600 and love it. Cammy is certainly the one to ask when it comes to 600's. She has some great hardware pr0n.
Title: Re: Amiga 600 to buy or not to buy
Post by: LaserBack on July 17, 2011, 10:44:23 AM
Quote from: Sutty100;649800
An oppertunity to buy an amiga 600 has come up and I cant decide if I should or not! Basicaly I have a 500 and have wanted a 1200 for some time but not really been fussed about the 600. I sort off see it stuck in the middle with ECS being not much better than the 500 but with the chance to fit a harddrive which is something I have wanted on an amiga which would be cool! I do think its the best looking of the amigas though!

So basicaly I wondered what you all think of the 600 should I buy it??


do not buy an A600 is a waste of money
however there are some fanatics that can say yes
but the A600 is the worst amiga model in my opinion and most of amiga users will agree
go for the A1200 much better faster and expandable machine
Title: Re: Amiga 600 to buy or not to buy
Post by: Brian on July 17, 2011, 12:06:48 PM
Quote from: LaserBack;649960
do not buy an A600 is a waste of money
however there are some fanatics that can say yes
but the A600 is the worst amiga model in my opinion and most of amiga users will agree
go for the A1200 much better faster and expandable machine

The A1200 is obviously the better machine by far and I'd get one first with 030 CPU but I can't see why to not get an A600 also. I don't agree with you that it's the worst Amiga model, yes it was a bad model when it was released as it brought little new to the table and the A1200 was just months away but we don't live in the 90's anymore and with todays available expansions for it I think it's a great ECS machine thanks to its small size.
Title: Re: Amiga 600 to buy or not to buy
Post by: Kesa on July 17, 2011, 12:18:55 PM
@Brian. That's a cool website you have. So what do you do with all those little precious ones? :)
Title: Re: Amiga 600 to buy or not to buy
Post by: orb85750 on July 17, 2011, 01:56:27 PM
I just love the small footprint of the A600, but I'm
not sure that's reason enough to buy one.....

If it is NTSC: buy it (they're uncommon)
If it is PAL: perhaps upgrade to an A1200 instead
Title: Re: Amiga 600 to buy or not to buy
Post by: Brian on July 17, 2011, 07:51:39 PM
Quote from: Kesa;649971
@Brian. That's a cool website you have. So what do you do with all those little precious ones? :)


To not hijack the thread the short answer is: Make them to work, upgrade them, play with them. :D
Title: Re: Amiga 600 to buy or not to buy
Post by: XDelusion on July 17, 2011, 09:14:11 PM
I thought Amigas went the other way around...

....if they are NTSC, shove them off on some poor sap, if they are PAL, cling to them. :)

Yes, I realize NTSC is less common because Amiga didn't take off as well here in the states, but then again all the good software was written for PAL machines, so it only makes sense to go with the hardware the majority had.

Both my 600 and my 1200 are PAL. :)
Title: Re: Amiga 600 to buy or not to buy
Post by: magnetic on July 17, 2011, 09:17:51 PM
I have a nice a1200 which I love but it takes up desktop space. If you dont need AGA go A600 all the way.

I actually have an A600 NTSC that is broken, and I think its the MB. :( Anyone know where I can repair it?   I could get a PAL MB on ebay but i'd rather stick to NTSC as I use genlocks and things alot and dont know if they work with a PAL Amiga in NTSC screenmodes?
Title: Re: Amiga 600 to buy or not to buy
Post by: orb85750 on July 17, 2011, 10:05:24 PM
Quote from: XDelusion;650064
I thought Amigas went the other way around...

....if they are NTSC, shove them off on some poor sap, if they are PAL, cling to them. :)

Yes, I realize NTSC is less common because Amiga didn't take off as well here in the states, but then again all the good software was written for PAL machines, so it only makes sense to go with the hardware the majority had.

Both my 600 and my 1200 are PAL. :)


PAL A1200 makes sense due to boot options, but what type of set-up do you have here for your PAL A600?
Title: Re: Amiga 600 to buy or not to buy
Post by: LaserBack on July 18, 2011, 11:05:55 PM
Quote from: Brian;649969
The A1200 is obviously the better machine by far and I'd get one first with 030 CPU but I can't see why to not get an A600 also. I don't agree with you that it's the worst Amiga model, yes it was a bad model when it was released as it brought little new to the table and the A1200 was just months away but we don't live in the 90's anymore and with todays available expansions for it I think it's a great ECS machine thanks to its small size.


sincerely I do not see any advantage getting the A600 over the A1200
if you can name a program or game that fails on the A1200 but works on the A600
so....how you can justify it ? because the A600 it's smaller ?
maybe you can justify to get an A500 with kick 1.2 because all those old games will work there...... but for the A600?


btw, check this recent thread about the worst amiga model....check the winner lol

http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=60102&highlight=worst+amiga+model

and please note I'm not a member of course my vote is not there
Title: Re: Amiga 600 to buy or not to buy
Post by: TjLaZer on July 19, 2011, 02:22:26 AM
I would not get an A600 unless you got it for CHEAP.  Reason?  1.  It's not much of an upgrade from your A500, and 2. It suffers from frequent and very common CAP damage.  (which will render it dead)  The A500 does have this problem (A500 plus has similar issues with battery leak damage)

I have thee of them and two have had their motherboards repaired a few times and one replaced due to bad caps.
Title: Re: Amiga 600 to buy or not to buy
Post by: mfilos on July 19, 2011, 06:11:34 AM
A600 is most of the times cheap comparing it with A500+ and personally I never had an issues with cap damage in an A600 (and I had 4 of them).
Only had an cap issue once in an A1200 mobo of mine.

A600 is a nice upgrade from an A500 for the following reasons:
- Mainly DUE to it's easy 2MB Chip (unless you find frequently A500+ without leak damage, or you plan to get expensive MiniMegi boards for your Rev.6A ones).
- Fitting an IDE internally is too easy and cheap. Try doing that with an A500!!! (For example CF2IDE adapters for 80 euro each). Unless you prefer the expensive path of big external enclosures of A590 and SCSI drives!
- Having PCMCIA for easy file transfer via CF adapter is easy and awesome. Unless you find transferring files with your PC via null modem cable or CrossDOS via floppy disks... such full of win!
- Networking is piss easy with PCMCIA Ethernet NICS. I can't recall any easy solution for networking in A500 UNLESS you wanna get a Subway and USB Ethernet NIC. Oh wait... you'd need an 030 then to be able to use networking.
- Acceleration is easy, with neat features and warranty.
- Putting an 1MB 27C800 Eprom with custom Kickstart is easy and doesn't require modding!

Small footprint might be not important to many so I'm not putting that as an upgrade.
Sure there are many fans of A500s and I respect it, but there are also fans of an A600 (like me) as well. In the end... it's just a matter of personal preference. Telling NOT to buy or to BUY is not something that helps really the future buyer. Just point out the pros and cons of both systems and let the buyer be the judge of that.

Personally I'd choose an A600 over an A500 any day. Apart from that... "Opinions are like a**holes. Everybody has one :)"
Title: Re: Amiga 600 to buy or not to buy
Post by: TjLaZer on July 19, 2011, 06:48:47 AM
Quote from: mfilos;650492
A600 is most of the times cheap comparing it with A500+ and personally I never had an issues with cap damage in an A600 (and I had 4 of them).
Only had an cap issue once in an A1200 mobo of mine.


Do a Google search and search Amibay for Cap issues on A600's then report back ;)
Title: Re: Amiga 600 to buy or not to buy
Post by: mfilos on July 19, 2011, 07:07:59 AM
I'm speaking of myself (4xA600s) so I don't need to do a Google search to prove anything to me. Even if I had a problem with the caps... I would have replaced them myself. Not such a big deal.

Same problem with the caps exists in almost every retr0 hardward that uses caps like also in A1200s, A4000s (with audio problems frequently as well). Do you suggest not buying any of those and go get A500s instead? LOL
And even if that is a CON for an A600 (Oh wait there is another one - No Numeric keypad - Doh!), you surely can't overstep the PROS that I mentioned above.

Don't get me wrong I don't have anything against A500's but they are indeed hard to upgrade machines imho when it comes to rarity and money (well not close to CDTV or CD32 but you get the point). Eventually ACA520 will change the whole scene due to silly prices that you see in eBay etc for A500 accelerators. Also stacking different components like accelerators/clockport adapter/CF2IDE... makes a huge height problem most of times not to mention fitting issues with Indivision ECS!
I really tried to love my A500 (Rev.6A) but sadly CF2IDE (depending on version) didn't fit with IndivisionECS and despite working fine with an awesome Phase5 8MB module that a friend lend me... it didn't fit (keyboard wasn't put in place due to height issues). Also CF2IDE adapters aren't compatible with all A500 accelerators.
Having to manually wire 68k away for everything to fit (even by wires or custom PCB) is such a huge time and effort scenario I'm not about to cross :)
Title: Re: Amiga 600 to buy or not to buy
Post by: TjLaZer on July 19, 2011, 07:44:42 AM
^ Well you are lucky then, most of us are not with regards to the little old A600, but the fact of the matter is newer Amigas are plagued with CAP issues so the OP asked if he should buy an A600 or keep his old trusty A500, so I threw him my two pennies.  :)

Not sure about you but If I had a choice in a retro computer where I did not have to constantly be replacing caps I would pick that one.  The A500/2000 series do not have SMD caps to replace like the A600/1200 and 4000.

But hey he can get it and have both!  (Like me I collect all Amigas)  But just don't think you can replace the A500 with a A600 as you might end up having a dead Amiga sooner than you think ;)
Title: Re: Amiga 600 to buy or not to buy
Post by: AndyLandy on July 19, 2011, 07:52:32 AM
Let's be fair here. The A1200 is just as likely to have cap issues as the A600.

On the other hand, the A1200 will do much more than the A600. There's no denying that the A1200 is a more-capable Amiga.

The A600 on the other hand, is very compact and has its charm. As ever, it all comes down to personal preference. If the A600 is cheap enough and you can afford the house-space, why not take it and have a play? Otherwise, give it a miss, knowing your A500 will do most of what an A600 can, particularly if you're thinking off getting an A1200 as well.
Title: Re: Amiga 600 to buy or not to buy
Post by: mfilos on July 19, 2011, 08:07:25 AM
There wasn't ever an issue on this thread whether an A1200 is better than an A600! It's silly to just compare these 2.

A600 doesn't only have it's charms. It has many assets that are difficult to get to an A500 without putting your hand DEEPLY in your pocket. Even if you pay much, you'll find that there are compatibility issues if you want things compact. OFC you can get a dozen expansions having to get an extra table to fit the Amiga but hey... it's a matter of preference as I told some posts back.

Also revisions and cost killing mobos of A500 sux tonz imho. Rev'6 can't get over 1MB Chip without an MiniMegi that sometimes has it's issues. Also you can be a lucky winner like me (/sigh) and have an Rev.8 mobo with 8372 Agnus (yey) but without extra RAM, without the clock components plus battery (yey x2) and with old Denise and without ANY jumpers to set.
Well you can always mod everything to MAYBE get an A500+ mobo but then again how that comes easier than replacing SMD caps? :D

I'm not trying to convince anyone cause simply I don't want to, but I can't get convinced that an A500 is superior to an A600 (especially after the ACA release). Back then I might have agreed but now... it nothing to think about :)
(Unless you have an Harms 040 or making custom Mods to awesome A500T projects)
Title: Re: Amiga 600 to buy or not to buy
Post by: runequester on July 19, 2011, 08:33:36 AM
the one advantage in a 500 is better compatibility with classic games. Relokick will fix a lot, but some just won't play nice.

The 600 is much easier to do stuff with, particularly in this day and age.
Title: Re: Amiga 600 to buy or not to buy
Post by: Colani1200 on July 19, 2011, 08:38:42 AM
Buy it! ;)
Title: Re: Amiga 600 to buy or not to buy
Post by: AndyLandy on July 19, 2011, 09:51:45 AM
Quote from: mfilos;650520
There wasn't ever an issue on this thread whether an A1200 is better than an A600! It's silly to just compare these 2.

The OP mentioned wanting an A1200 in his first post. I'm just sayin' that if he can only justify the one, he's probably better off holding out for the A1200.

As for the A500 over the A600, I'd pick the A600 any day. Smaller footprint, more modern hardware. ECS/2MB Chip/IDE/PCMCIA and with all the accessories that Jens makes for it, it's a far more interesting machine.

But if you've got an A1200 for expanding like mad and a pre-existing A500 for the old-skool experience, do you really need an A600 as well?

Again, it all depends on where you're going. It's a hobby. My A3000 is pretty pointless since I have an A1200 and an A4000, but it's still cool to have the 3k. I'm toying with the idea of getting another A600, I gave my last one away.
Title: Re: Amiga 600 to buy or not to buy
Post by: gertsy on July 19, 2011, 10:58:04 AM
Quote from: AndyLandy;650535
The OP mentioned wanting an A1200 in his first post. I'm just sayin' that if he can only justify the one, he's probably better off holding out for the A1200.

.


Agree.
Title: Re: Amiga 600 to buy or not to buy
Post by: AmiDude on July 19, 2011, 11:01:04 AM
Quote from: mfilos;650492
A600 is most of the times cheap comparing it with A500+ and personally I never had an issues with cap damage in an A600 (and I had 4 of them).
Only had an cap issue once in an A1200 mobo of mine.

A600 is a nice upgrade from an A500 for the following reasons:
- Mainly DUE to it's easy 2MB Chip (unless you find frequently A500+ without leak damage, or you plan to get expensive MiniMegi boards for your Rev.6A ones).
- Fitting an IDE internally is too easy and cheap. Try doing that with an A500!!! (For example CF2IDE adapters for 80 euro each). Unless you prefer the expensive path of big external enclosures of A590 and SCSI drives!
- Having PCMCIA for easy file transfer via CF adapter is easy and awesome. Unless you find transferring files with your PC via null modem cable or CrossDOS via floppy disks... such full of win!
- Networking is piss easy with PCMCIA Ethernet NICS. I can't recall any easy solution for networking in A500 UNLESS you wanna get a Subway and USB Ethernet NIC. Oh wait... you'd need an 030 then to be able to use networking.
- Acceleration is easy, with neat features and warranty.
- Putting an 1MB 27C800 Eprom with custom Kickstart is easy and doesn't require modding!

Small footprint might be not important to many so I'm not putting that as an upgrade.
Sure there are many fans of A500s and I respect it, but there are also fans of an A600 (like me) as well. In the end... it's just a matter of personal preference. Telling NOT to buy or to BUY is not something that helps really the future buyer. Just point out the pros and cons of both systems and let the buyer be the judge of that.

Personally I'd choose an A600 over an A500 any day. Apart from that... "Opinions are like a**holes. Everybody has one :)"


@ mfilos

I'm with you on this matter! :) I also have had multiple (6 or 7) A600's, and never had any issues or bad caps with them. The o'll A500 can't compete with the A600! :biglaugh:
Title: Re: Amiga 600 to buy or not to buy
Post by: tone007 on July 19, 2011, 12:26:29 PM
Psh, you'll never get RTG on an A600!

A500 with an expansion slot to Zorro adapter will let you!
Title: Re: Amiga 600 to buy or not to buy
Post by: AmiDude on July 19, 2011, 01:00:57 PM
Quote from: tone007;650554
Psh, you'll never get RTG on an A600!

A500 with an expansion slot to Zorro adapter will let you!


We don't need an expansion slot to Zorro adapter for RTG (it's to bulky),
we have an A4000 for that!  :razz:
Title: Re: Amiga 600 to buy or not to buy
Post by: Amiga_Nut on July 19, 2011, 01:56:44 PM
Quote from: TjLaZer;650516
^ Well you are lucky then, most of us are not with regards to the little old A600, but the fact of the matter is newer Amigas are plagued with CAP issues so the OP asked if he should buy an A600 or keep his old trusty A500, so I threw him my two pennies.  :)

Not sure about you but If I had a choice in a retro computer where I did not have to constantly be replacing caps I would pick that one.  The A500/2000 series do not have SMD caps to replace like the A600/1200 and 4000.

But hey he can get it and have both!  (Like me I collect all Amigas)  But just don't think you can replace the A500 with a A600 as you might end up having a dead Amiga sooner than you think ;)



A600 has nice and simple standard IDE interface, try finding an AdIDE board for an A500/1000 now anywhere.....end of story. If you never use the HDD then OK but most people would like a reasonably quiet and fast IDE drive inside their Amiga.
Title: Re: Amiga 600 to buy or not to buy
Post by: mfilos on July 19, 2011, 02:02:56 PM
@Amidude
Respect mate!

@tone007
It's true. RTG on A600 isn't possible but on A500 with a side Zorro expansion is possible for sure. If you find Mr. Frankenstein sexy or usable... it's up to you I guess :D
Tbh I don't need RTG on A600 when it runs awesomely well on 640x512 @ 16 colors and the awesome palette of Rebel!

(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-3s2x2V-R0tw/ThghcvgqytI/AAAAAAAAAZY/Tl_5SNNtyeA/s1600/WBScreenshot_110709.png)

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-8KHryJV72kI/ThH-PGzd2lI/AAAAAAAAAOA/H4G3GfrOVSc/s1600/a600_3.9_bb4_1.jpg)


I seen very sexy A500 setups converted to desktop or Tower projects that could make an old man burst into tears due to elegance and quality of the mod.

I also agree that if your expectation is having a game machine for loading floppy games... THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO REASON for you to buy an A600 or any other Amiga. A500 is the best choice you got.

For any other option I insist on getting an A600 for awesome look and features and if you want extra pwnage get an A1200 or A4000 if you can spare da bucks and be done with :) (A3000 is for the collectorz and tis is an awesome machine to have).
Title: Re: Amiga 600 to buy or not to buy
Post by: tone007 on July 19, 2011, 02:40:29 PM
Quote from: mfilos;650565
If you find Mr. Frankenstein sexy or usable... it's up to you I guess :D


(http://cbmvax.com/jungle/exp1.jpg)

(http://www.tinygif.com/data/media/13/frankenstein_2.gif)
Title: Re: Amiga 600 to buy or not to buy
Post by: mfilos on July 19, 2011, 04:25:06 PM
Hahahaha! Nice one!

I always had a vision of putting an RTG card under the A500 making a custom PCB or wiring teh Zorro slot under it :O
Making an 1cm extension base (in same width-length of the A500) to host this custom PCB along with an RTG card and an 2060 would be a neat option.
Title: Re: Amiga 600 to buy or not to buy
Post by: Brian on July 20, 2011, 06:34:27 AM
Quote from: mfilos;650581
Hahahaha! Nice one!

I always had a vision of putting an RTG card under the A500 making a custom PCB or wiring teh Zorro slot under it :O
Making an 1cm extension base (in same width-length of the A500) to host this custom PCB along with an RTG card and an 2060 would be a neat option.


I've seen a commersial product like that almost... a box underneath the A500 about 2-3cm tall housing 2 Zorro slots and DF1.

The other route if you can live with existing A500 accelerators is to get a defective GVP HD8+ controller, gutt it and install a Picasso2+ in it through a Zorro addapter... should fit and keep the A500 look intact... no frankenstein. ;)

It's still nothing easily trown in a bag like the A600 though.
Title: Re: Amiga 600 to buy or not to buy
Post by: a1200 on July 20, 2011, 08:19:08 AM
I had one of the 030 a600's project's on the web. Similar to Amiga600.de, mine was amiga600.net - now domain is used for my blog, but you can still see the old site if you go back 3-4 years on archive.org. The A600 doesn't have the same quality feel to it as the A500 but having a small size, on-board IDE and PCMCIA made for a credible machine. That said if I had to just have one Amiga it would be the A1200 - AGA, still in a relatively small case and easy to expand.
Title: Re: Amiga 600 to buy or not to buy
Post by: scuzzb494 on July 20, 2011, 01:59:04 PM
Quote from: Sutty100;649800
An oppertunity to buy an amiga 600 has come up and I cant decide if I should or not! Basicaly I have a 500 and have wanted a 1200 for some time but not really been fussed about the 600. I sort off see it stuck in the middle with ECS being not much better than the 500 but with the chance to fit a harddrive which is something I have wanted on an amiga which would be cool! I do think its the best looking of the amigas though!

So basicaly I wondered what you all think of the 600 should I buy it??


I would wait and buy an Amiga 1200. Simply because there are/were far more accelerators made for the 1200 and they had the SCSI KIT on say the Blizzard. You can Squirrel the 600 but I like the SCSI through the back leaving the PCMCIA free for a network card. The 1200 is just easier to expand.

I do have quite a few 600's, see below, and wouldn't suggest they were inferior, but once you use and expand an A1200 you would never go back to the 600.

http://www.commodore-amiga-retro.com/amiga/amiga_scuzz93.htm

http://www.commodore-amiga-retro.com/amiga/amiga_scuzz33.htm

http://www.commodore-amiga-retro.com/amiga/amiga_scuzz107.htm

The best conversion ever of the 500 was the Checkmate... I have two.

http://www.commodore-amiga-retro.com/amiga/amiga_scuzz86.htm

The 500 is a classic machine. I just leap frogged the 600 to the 1200 and then went and got a 600 for the odd games. However I mothballed it in favour of more 1200's. Once bitten I guess.

My main A1200 has an internal hard drive, two external SCSI hard drives, ZIP drive, CD drive, HD drive, network card , internet connection via broadband and still works perfectly since 1993. Great machine.
Title: Re: Amiga 600 to buy or not to buy
Post by: runequester on July 20, 2011, 05:32:08 PM
Scuzz! Havent seen you in forever
Title: Re: Amiga 600 to buy or not to buy
Post by: XDelusion on July 20, 2011, 06:07:36 PM
Quote from: orb85750;650086
PAL A1200 makes sense due to boot options, but what type of set-up do you have here for your PAL A600?



I have:

A604 Memory Expansion
Indivision ECS Internal Flicker Fixer
Subway USB Controller
IDE to Compact Fash Interface
8BG CF Card Used as Hard Drive
4Gb CF Card used with PCMCIA Compact Flash Adaptor
ACA 630/25 Stealth Accelerator with 32Mb of RAM.
MIDI 1 MIDI Controller

...and a few other odds and ends I use from time to time.

Next step, a sound card to use in conjunction with my beloved Paula. :)
Title: Re: Amiga 600 to buy or not to buy
Post by: runequester on July 20, 2011, 06:28:40 PM
thats a pretty badass 600 :)
Title: Re: Amiga 600 to buy or not to buy
Post by: XDelusion on July 20, 2011, 06:59:18 PM
Quote from: runequester;650855
thats a pretty badass 600 :)


Not to be un-humble, but I KNOW!!! ;)

And thankx again to Mozzerfan for hooking me up with a free 600 mobo when mine began to flake out.



Can't wait for the Natami! Then we'll have small and super powerful all in one! :)
Title: Re: Amiga 600 to buy or not to buy
Post by: runequester on July 20, 2011, 07:03:09 PM
What do you for floppies? Or do you even bother anymore?
Title: Re: Amiga 600 to buy or not to buy
Post by: XDelusion on July 20, 2011, 07:13:50 PM
I got the USB version, but want the SD version:

http://www.lotharek.pl/category.php?kid=7

Don't use it hardly at all though since I generally just use RAD: in conjunction with Floppy Images when I need to which is pretty much never.
Title: Re: Amiga 600 to buy or not to buy
Post by: runequester on July 20, 2011, 07:31:13 PM
Quote from: XDelusion;650876
I got the USB version, but want the SD version:

http://www.lotharek.pl/category.php?kid=7

Don't use it hardly at all though since I generally just use RAD: in conjunction with Floppy Images when I need to which is pretty much never.


okay, so explain that to me. Can you mount an adf and have the miggy recognize it as a "real" floppy?

How much fuss is that, and how does it work with multiple disk games f.x. ?
Title: Re: Amiga 600 to buy or not to buy
Post by: XDelusion on July 20, 2011, 07:57:09 PM
The Amiga treats RAD images like a real floppy, same goes for the SD and USB adapter.

RAD is great for HD installing or single floppy games as it survives reboot, but not good for multiple floppy games that you can't HD install. For that you're best solution would be the SD adapter. Both methods are easy.

More info later, gotta clock in. :/
Title: Re: Amiga 600 to buy or not to buy
Post by: zipper on July 20, 2011, 07:59:08 PM
Quote from: runequester;650885
okay, so explain that to me. Can you mount an adf and have the miggy recognize it as a "real" floppy?


search Aminet for diskimage.lha
Title: Re: Amiga 600 to buy or not to buy
Post by: Brian on July 20, 2011, 08:07:04 PM
Quote from: XDelusion;650849
I have:

A604 Memory Expansion
Indivision ECS Internal Flicker Fixer
Subway USB Controller
IDE to Compact Fash Interface
8BG CF Card Used as Hard Drive
4Gb CF Card used with PCMCIA Compact Flash Adaptor
ACA 630/25 Stealth Accelerator with 32Mb of RAM.
MIDI 1 MIDI Controller

...and a few other odds and ends I use from time to time.

Next step, a sound card to use in conjunction with my beloved Paula. :)


Nice setup... I'm still waiting for funds to my next AmigaKit order before I can compete with that but I do have the "rare" ACA630/30 with 64MB of RAM and internal SCSI ain't yet common amongst the well expanded A600 systems poping up everywhere. :D
Title: Re: Amiga 600 to buy or not to buy
Post by: runequester on July 20, 2011, 08:19:32 PM
Quote from: zipper;650890
search Aminet for diskimage.lha


Hot damn. I'll have to check that out once im no longer stuck with black/white ntsc image :)
Title: Re: Amiga 600 to buy or not to buy
Post by: XDelusion on July 20, 2011, 09:32:18 PM
Can't go into deep detail ATM cause I'm at work but get this

http://aminet.net/package/disk/misc/tsgui

Then in CLI type "mount RAD:"

Then if you need help, I'll continue after work. :)
Title: Re: Amiga 600 to buy or not to buy
Post by: mfilos on July 20, 2011, 10:50:36 PM
For ACA630 users you can make a custom 1MB Kickstart image holding both 1.3 and 3.1 kickstart and a simple switch that:
- Simultaneously disables ACA and use Kickstart 1.3 (For old Games/Trainers and Demos)
- Simultaneously enables ACA and use Kickstart 3.1 (For WHDLoad funz and Workbench l33tness)

I made an easy schematic here: http://mfilos.blogspot.com/p/dual-kickstart-switch.html

Also HxC SD Floppy Emulator is really awesome device! Made some neat custom mounting last year but since the release of Jen's awesome A604, I thought of putting the floppy back on and having the HxC externally.
Title: Re: Amiga 600 to buy or not to buy
Post by: TjLaZer on July 20, 2011, 11:36:43 PM
Quote from: Sutty100;649800
An oppertunity to buy an amiga 600 has come up and I cant decide if I should or not! Basicaly I have a 500 and have wanted a 1200 for some time but not really been fussed about the 600. I sort off see it stuck in the middle with ECS being not much better than the 500 but with the chance to fit a harddrive which is something I have wanted on an amiga which would be cool! I do think its the best looking of the amigas though!

So basicaly I wondered what you all think of the 600 should I buy it??


Like I said, If the A600 was really cheap (Under $50) I would get it for sure. Its a nice machine.  I have three of them. Then I would also get an A1200 if you could.  The 1200 is worth it though, much better than the A600.  It has AGA and easy accelerator options too.  Though the A600 now has a nice 030 option.
Title: Re: Amiga 600 to buy or not to buy
Post by: XDelusion on July 20, 2011, 11:59:41 PM
Alright got a minute with my iPod...

RAD is a virtual floppy that stores in RAM and will survive a warm reboot. Mount that with the commands I supplied in conjunction with TSGui and you should be on your way...


Though for multiple floppy games you'll want one of those SD based virtual floppy drives.
Title: Re: Amiga 600 to buy or not to buy
Post by: runequester on July 21, 2011, 01:38:11 AM
Thanks man. Going above and beyond :)
Title: Re: Amiga 600 to buy or not to buy
Post by: XDelusion on July 21, 2011, 04:29:47 AM
Np g! :)