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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Hardware Issues and discussion => Topic started by: Vanfanel on July 14, 2011, 05:33:25 AM
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I know I've been asking quite a few questions as of late, and I do appreciate all your help. I'm having trouble with getting Wifi working on my A1200. I have a Lucent Orinoco Gold in the PCMCIA slot. Prism2.device is installed, with SetPrism2Defaults in startup-sequence with my SSID and WEP key (128 bit). And I'm using AmiTCP with Genesis, making sure the IP I assign the 1200 is not taken by any other device in the house (I'm giving it 192.168.1.119), along with correct information for the gateway and DNS server (both handled by the router, 192.168.1.1) plus the subnet mask (255.255.255.0). But it seems I'm not connecting. Can't view a webpage, or anything else. As always, any assistance is most appreciated.
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- Do you have pccard.library on your LIBS: folder?
- Do you run CardReset, CardPatch on your startup-sequence?
Check these and report back but it would be nice if you could add some pictures/screenshots of your Genesis setup as well.
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pccard.library is indeed in LIBS:, but I do not have CardPatch or CardReset in my startup-sequence or user-startup.
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Get them from Aminet then and install them on C:
Then you only need the following declaration pretty early at startup-sequence:
FailAt 11
C:CardPatch
C:CardReset TICKS 50
FailAt is only needed cause if you start without and PCMCIA card in the slot, it will put an error 10 message from CardReset. You can exclude FailAt and put an >NIL: at the end of the command if that suits you better.
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Alright, I'll give that a shot as soon as I feel like opening the case again to transfer files over.
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So, I got the files on my 1200, and put the required lines at the start of my startup-sequence. Still, I get nothing. When I first turn it on, the lower of the two lights on the card goes on for a bit, then shuts off, then the one above it flicks on very briefly every now and then. I checked on my router, and it's not even connecting, as it's not showing up in the device list.
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EasyNet -> EasyNet (http://www.amigakit.com/catalog/easynet.php)
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NovaCoder: While I am given to the understanding that EasyNet may in fact solve this problem, I am disinclined to purchase something when I'm not certain that the Wifi card or even the PCMCIA port is working.
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NovaCoder: While I am given to the understanding that EasyNet may in fact solve this problem, I am disinclined to purchase something when I'm not certain that the Wifi card or even the PCMCIA port is working.
The only WiFi card that I could get to work is a MA401 wireless PCMCIA card....
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You'll get it working mate without spending anymore money...in any case Easynet is just a front end for amitcp so it wont solve your problem.
Firstly I would do what mfilos suggested, 2nd I would check that the IP address your using is in your static range i.e. not an address in your DHCP address range.
If your still having problems I suggest downloading amitcp 3.02b and using the guide that can be found here: http://www.acc.umu.se/~patrikax/amiga/guides/AmiTCP_Install/
This works for me.
One last thing, have you double checked that the prism driver supports your pcmcia card?
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The Orinoco Gold should work with the WEP and WPA version of prism2.device.
I have 3 of those cards, and all work beautifully with both versions of prism2.device.
Orinoco golds use the hermes chipset, so check if the hermes firmware from the prism2 archive is in Devs:Firmware.
Also doublecheck if your Wifi settings in your router config are properly set, and check if you entered the correct WEP passphrase.
When the connection is made, the lower led should be permanently lit.
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1 have 2 orinoco cards, silver and gold, both of them work nicely with ami TCP and setupping them was suprilcely easy.
I have unencryptedl WLAN, so my amigas connect to it, without anything in user-startup
You could try that, mean set your WLAN unencrypted for testing? Just for problem solving of course. That way amiga should connect first unencrypted wlan it can found.
Your IP settings seem to be ok, CardPatch and CardReset are essential to use.
What genesis connection window shows? Does it say connected? You can try to ping your router. Commands are in AMITCP/Bin folder, I have copied them to C: so that I can more easily use them
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Unencrypted or WEP hardly makes a difference anyway.
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True, but with unencrypted it should work without anything special in user-startup
My router also accept connections only from those whos MAC addres is added there. If somebbody want to monitor my traffic he/she doesn't found anything interested, or he must be very interested things like this
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Thank you all for the suggestions; I will be sure to try them out. I've already checked my SSID and WEP Key for accuaracy. Also, I do not have my router configured to filter connections based on MAC Address. And yes, I have it configured so my router's DHCP range starts at 192.168.1.120.
I could switch off the encryption temporarily for testing, but like I said before, SSID and WEP key are verified, so that's not it. I will check for the firmware, and perhaps see about upgrading AmiTCP.
There is a file named HermesII in Devs:Firmware, yes.
I will try following the AmiTCP guide next, along with new copies of prism2.device.
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I haven't ever tried to conect encrypted network wiht my amigas.
Without encryption it just connects nearest WLAN automatically, no need to conficure SID etc.
WEB encryption is not real encryption, make your wlan open and scecify MAC addreses that can connect to it, it is better.
WEB key is easy to broke, but with that solution they cannot connect your WLAN, they can just monitor your http/ftp traffic, note that: not https
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I can't win.
Installed AmiTCP and followed the guide in the thread. Also reinstalled prism2.device for good measure. What is happening now I don't think is related to that.
My 1200 won't boot. All I get is a black screen, and the power led flashes a total of 7 times: 6 short, 1 long.
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MAC address filtering is also trivial to crack. If somebody is wanting to crack your WEP encryption, he/she is not going to be slowed down by MAC filtering.
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Well, that's moot. My accelerator died, so I don't have enough power or memory to even attempt going online. Guess I'll start searching for an affordable accelerator, though it might be a while before I can really afford it.
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Be advised that in many cases Amiga won't boot (black screen) if PCMCIA Ethernet adapter is plugged when booting.
Remove the adapter and plug it in once you're in Workbench!
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I didn't know that, as it always used to boot with the card plugged in just fine. However, I did test it, and the machine only boots now when the accelerator is removed.
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Be advised that in many cases Amiga won't boot (black screen) if PCMCIA Ethernet adapter is plugged when booting.
Remove the adapter and plug it in once you're in Workbench!
Yes I get that too. I have a hardware fix that fits over Gayle now so I'm trying that see if it makes a difference.
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*sigh* And now it wants to work again. No complaints, but I wish I knew why it was acting so screwy.
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I should clarify that I mean the 1200 and the accelerator are working, not the card. But I just had an epiphany and I'm an idiot. I know why the card doesn't work. It's 802.11b, and the router only supports 802.11g/n. thank you all for helping me, though. I do appreciate it.
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Haha nice man. At least you can fix it easily by getting an Access point that could have a network only for your Amiga and WEP that you'll open for some times (when Amiga is on)
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Yeah, now that I know what the problem actually is, I know what I need to do to fix it. Since I'm certain that there is no 802.11g WiFi card with Amiga drivers (feel free to correct me if I'm wrong), it will either be a router replacement, or just going wired on the Amiga. Whatever I do, it of course means more money spent.
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You might want to look into getting a router which supports multiple SSIDs, so you could have one secured (well as secure as wireless can be anyway) network for your modern hardware, and one open or WEP'ed network for your Miggy.
And yes, AFAIK b is the most modern you'll find in Amiga classic land.
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Sorry for bumping a 10 day old thread, but I had to share, and what better place to share than in the thread I started about my WiFi connection problems.
I think the best way to say it is this. This post has been made from my A1200! :)
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What was it ?
Also OT but seriously people, if somone wants to crack you wireless connection they will. But the point of having even WEP is to stop people stealing your internet from next door. Your average Joe bloggs know no mopre than windows auto connecting to any un-secure routers.
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@JJ: There is also the legal issues with unencrypted Wireless LANs:
Actually a WiFi should be firewalled anyway. The only reason why encrypted WiFis are really needed (besides the data security) is, that (at least over here) you are held responsible for whatever happens on your connections. If someone was to connect over my WiFi and do illegal things, even if I can prove it was not me, they'll get me arrested for "providing help in illegal activities" if I had not encrypted the connection. As soon as there is a minimal encryption that any evildoer must break before using the connection for his evil plots, I'am not to be held responsible anymore ;)
- Gil
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Actually a WiFi should be firewalled anyway.
Using what - aluminum foil?
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Mmmmkaaaay... no.
.............Intarweb
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LAN <=|> Firewall <|=> WLAN Router <=> WLAN Clients
And then some simple filters:
* by MAC
* by fixed IP per MAC (MACs alone are way too simple to forge, takes like 2 seconds)
* Match chain => MAC ! fixed IP per Hostname => REJECT
* If you're hardcore you can also make a finger match for the OS that HAS to run on that machine with that IP and exactly that MAC, or even funnier:
* Have a random high port open on your machines where you have a rsync daemon drop a keyfile every hour that has to be synchronized on the firewall (using rsync with private keys for each machine), and have a match condition on the exact file bytes
* I guess I could come up with about 200 more creative solutions how to fortify a network so literally no one without physical access can fsck with it, not even if they break the WAP/WEP/WPA/[...] encryption.
- Gil
P.S:
Being paranoid and overly securing things does not mean they are not watching me!!
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JJ: As I said before, the card is of course only 802.11b, and my router only supported g/n. Got a new router that supports everything and gigabit wired. Netgear N600 wireless dual band gigabit router (WNDR3700). Nice feature about it is it supports 4 different SSIDs. So I can have my always running 2.4 and 5 GHz SSIDs as secured as I can make them, and open an isolated guest SSID as the router refers to it for the Amiga. A useful feature, as also my Nintendo DS only supports WEP encryption, and I also rarely go only with it.
Gil: The router acts as a firewall, but I don't think that's what you mean. As for the filters, I think I can set a fixed IP per MAC without too much hassle. Your other suggestions are great, but I don't know how to implement them in the first place, and they'd be impossible for the various game consoles that have internet access. Possibly for the Amiga, too. It may be able to do the finger match, but I don't know about the rsync daemon.
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Also OT but seriously people, if somone wants to crack you wireless connection they will.
If that someone is a government agency, I wouldn't be surprised if they could get in. But for anyone else, how are they going to crack a strong WPA password? The only widely known attacks for WPA I'm aware of require that a weak password and a common SSID is used.
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Mmmmkaaaay... no.
.............Intarweb
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LAN <=|> Firewall <|=> WLAN Router <=> WLAN Clients
OK, we have totally different ideas about what security is, you just want to protect your LAN stuff, I also want to protect my wireless equipment.
* by MAC
MAC addresses are quite visible once WEP is cracked
* by fixed IP per MAC
IP addresses are equally visible
* Match chain => MAC ! fixed IP per Hostname => REJECT
Just hoping the intruder won't figure that out?
* If you're hardcore you can also make a finger match for the OS that HAS to run on that machine with that IP and exactly that MAC, or even funnier:
* Have a random high port open on your machines where you have a rsync daemon drop a keyfile every hour that has to be synchronized on the firewall (using rsync with private keys for each machine), and have a match condition on the exact file bytes
* I guess I could come up with about 200 more creative solutions how to fortify a network so literally no one without physical access can fsck with it, not even if they break the WAP/WEP/WPA/[...] encryption.
Really? With broken WEP, I can steal both your mac address and IP address and start hijacking your TCP sessions. And your machine will be doing all the creative stuff to make sure both of us are online.
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Do you think people go around the place trying to hack wireless networks.
As with most things its a crime of opportunity.
Yes I used WPA2 mostly, but I doubt my wireless was every comprmised if i had just wep, and I mean ever.
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Do you think people go around the place trying to hack wireless networks.
As with most things its a crime of opportunity.
Yes I used WPA2 mostly, but I doubt my wireless was every comprmised if i had just wep, and I mean ever.
So are a lot of home and most car burglaries. I still lock my doors.
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So do I, but i think the paranoia over WEP is a bit over the top