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The "Not Quite Amiga but still computer related category" => Alternative Operating Systems => Topic started by: chlamb on July 08, 2011, 09:20:54 PM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8xMh7k2Bhc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3I0IkSWTqts
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUHx_ImWsNE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Emzz0lbr8uQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=po49nHTotJ8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5mjAxVjGtQ
So, will you just stop whining now?
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8xMh7k2Bhc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3I0IkSWTqts
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUHx_ImWsNE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Emzz0lbr8uQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=po49nHTotJ8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5mjAxVjGtQ
So, will you just stop whining now?
Not yet. Why does no one show the thing working yet? You made 5 videos just to unbox it (yawn) but never bothered to turn it on? Who cares about a box? Let's see it working.
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I know it's just a PC in there, but that's pretty damn cool.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8xMh7k2Bhc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3I0IkSWTqts
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUHx_ImWsNE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Emzz0lbr8uQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=po49nHTotJ8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5mjAxVjGtQ
So, will you just stop whining now?
You obvious don't understand (or want to understand) what the problems with C-USA are.
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As I've said more than once, It's not really my cup of tea but at the end of the day, it's a real product that they got to market. You have to give them credit for at least that much.
I dare say It'll probably sell reasonably well too.
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As I've said more than once, It's not really my cup of tea but at the end of the day, it's a real product that they got to market. You have to give them credit for at least that much.
I dare say It'll probably sell reasonably well too.
Big farkin' deal, you can say the same thing for Michael Bay's Transformers movies, but that doesn't make them good.
As for the OP, big whoop. It's a thing that you bought, and it came in a box, and you took it out of the box. Bully for that, I guess, but the question of whether this was real or not has never been more than a minor nitpick in the saga of why folks around here are not fond of CUSA.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8xMh7k2Bhc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3I0IkSWTqts
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUHx_ImWsNE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Emzz0lbr8uQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=po49nHTotJ8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5mjAxVjGtQ
So, will you just stop whining now?
This was your 1st post. So you joined this site just to show us your new non Amiga computer? Are you really that desperate for approval?
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@ chlamb
welcome aboard:)..or welcome back ?
@ all
kudos to CUSA for actually delivering a product to market ! though not my cup of tea it's still cool seeing the new/old style c64 box and manual:)
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As I've said more than once, It's not really my cup of tea but at the end of the day, it's a real product that they got to market. You have to give them credit for at least that much.
I keep seeing people say that but, I'm not sure what you are comparing it to when you say that?
If you want OS4 buy a Sam, If you want MorphOS buy a Mac, if you want Aros get a PC?
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I keep seeing people say that but, I'm not sure what you are comparing it to when you say that?
I'm comparing it to the expectation that it would never happen, which was quite a pervasive opinion not that long ago.
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I'm comparing it to the expectation that it would never happen, which was quite a pervasive opinion not that long ago.
OK, that makes sense. I guess I didn't get it because I never really had a doubt that they would put it out. I've just been so verbal about it because they've been dicks the whole time......
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Not yet. Why does no one show the thing working yet? You made 5 videos just to unbox it (yawn) but never bothered to turn it on? Who cares about a box? Let's see it working.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a53UOSotyas
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHwd3plqqDQ
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As I've said more than once, It's not really my cup of tea but at the end of the day, it's a real product that they got to market. You have to give them credit for at least that much.
I dare say It'll probably sell reasonably well too.
credit to Dell, HP, Gateway, Acer and the guy down the street who makes his own PC from barebones kits too then? ;-)
I thing the sales will dry up after using the keyboard for a month and experiencing Bazza style tech support.
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Only 6, so 194,000 to go! Wonder if they have mold #2 in production yet.
I did not that in one of the videos, the guy shows the fan and mentions that it has been running constantly. Also, remarks that the computer runs a bit hot.
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But is it military spec?
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But is it military spec?
It is almost worth buying one and sending it to Doomy.
Almost.
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Just thought I would share my unboxing video of my new C64. If you love the videos of one switched off then your gonna flip over a c64 running ;)
http://youtu.be/Nl5ecU_1az8 (http://youtu.be/Nl5ecU_1az8)
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If you love the videos of one switched off then your gonna flip over a c64 running ;)
Regardless of the company that made it, its still pretty cool.
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Just thought I would share my unboxing video of my new C64. If you love the videos of one switched off then your gonna flip over a c64 running ;)
http://youtu.be/Nl5ecU_1az8
Hey that's funny!
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It is almost worth buying one and sending it to Doomy.
Almost.
Damn that guy was cool.
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Only 6, so 194,000 to go! Wonder if they have mold #2 in production yet.
I did not that in one of the videos, the guy shows the fan and mentions that it has been running constantly. Also, remarks that the computer runs a bit hot.
Look at where the fan is and look at where the air vents in the case are. I bet 90% of what the fan is doing is sucking cool air in from the bottom vents and blowing it right out the back. There is no way any of the airflow is getting anywhere near anything that is actually getting hot.
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Just thought I would share my unboxing video of my new C64. If you love the videos of one switched off then your gonna flip over a c64 running ;)
http://youtu.be/Nl5ecU_1az8
On second thoughts i'm not really impressed with your "C64". It's just not the same as an authentic C64X. I want the real thing not just some cheap copy god damn it. It has to be an official machine from CUSA otherwise i won't use it :roflmao:
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On second thoughts i'm not really impressed with your "C64". It's just not the same as an authentic C64X. I want the real thing not just some cheap copy god damn it. It has to be an official machine from CUSA otherwise i won't use it :roflmao:
Aww your right. It doesn't have COS or come with an Atom processor or over inflated price tag. However will I live without and authentic CUSA C64 :rofl:
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Just thought I would share my unboxing video of my new C64. If you love the videos of one switched off then your gonna flip over a c64 running ;)
http://youtu.be/Nl5ecU_1az8
You, sir, get a cookie. Notional or actual, your choice ;D
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You, sir, get a cookie. Notional or actual, your choice ;D
Either, I am good ;)
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so, will you just stop whining now?
fake!!!
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Just an update on my new c64. Been playing for a few hours now and now problems detected. No sign of over heating or faults with the keyboard ;)
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Look at where the fan is and look at where the air vents in the case are. I bet 90% of what the fan is doing is sucking cool air in from the bottom vents and blowing it right out the back. There is no way any of the airflow is getting anywhere near anything that is actually getting hot.
Wow, yeah. That's...it's not even pointing in the direction of the board! Granted, Atom hardware isn't going to run blazing hot like heavier-duty stuff, but that's still a pretty gross oversight.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8xMh7k2Bhc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3I0IkSWTqts
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUHx_ImWsNE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Emzz0lbr8uQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=po49nHTotJ8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5mjAxVjGtQ
So, will you just stop whining now?
No, because it's stupid.
It's being marketed as the "new" C64, which it isn't. The box even says "Commodore 64". It's a PC, just like very other PC in this world. It runs Windows and Linux. The only thing different about the C64x is the casing, which I couldn't give a fuck about.
So what is Amiga.org turning into, a case mod forum? A place where we discuss the appearance of PCs?
In that case, I'm leaving this site for good.
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@skurk
chlamb isn't a member - don't let the occasional C=USA fanboy ruin the experience on the website. I agree though, C64x has no place on this forum (unless we're a PC forum now).
I do wonder though if he's actually C=USA staff using a different name....
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8xMh7k2Bhc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3I0IkSWTqts
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUHx_ImWsNE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Emzz0lbr8uQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=po49nHTotJ8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5mjAxVjGtQ
Nice! I like the case and keyboard a lot. It´s the small things like having the caps lock led in the key (Amiga style) that make the difference.
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@skurk
I do wonder though if he's actually C=USA staff using a different name....
Whether CUSA staff or just one of the weird fanboy mouthpieces CUSA have lurking around the place, it seems pretty obvious to me that it's someone already registered here who knows that if they posted that under their current nick it wouldn't have a good impact. Think about it - if it wasn't someone like that, why would they be trying to get some nasty digs in, right in their first post? Wonder how their IP address lines up with the others'...
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I don't think I got the whole point of this post and all the reactions about it.
Why the Amiga community hates Commodore USA?
They're just a HW supplier that were able to build a nice c64 replica x86 case. What's really wrong with that?
Are they using the commodore name illegally? (I really don't know. I'm really asking.)
The Amiga scene, while interestingly active, it's kind of a confusing nowadays:
1) retro guys using the original hw and SW (like many other retro scenes)
2) AOS 4 - new software but they insist that it must only run on exotic hardware, otherwise it is not amiga
3) MorphOS - new software and they're more open to existent HW but constantly being criticized because the HW is too old and/or because it's an apple, not an Amiga.
4) AROS - run on (certain) x86 HW, so, you can try to get those UGLY standard PC cases, add NEON and several FANS to it (to get even uglier) and create an AROS box.
5) Natami - (can't tell too much about this option)
and then you have these guys.
Why they can't recreate the A1200 case, with a full functional "mac compatible" keyboard attached and a kit for disassembling a g4 mini and putting it inside of it?
A MorphOS G4 silent A1200 would be REAAALLLLYY cool.
Best regards,
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You must have missed the past year where the C-USA cheerleaders have lied, slandered, insulted, harassed and threatened virtually anyone they got a chance to here on Amiga.org. Dig around a bit, you'll find enough to keep you reading for days.
No one gives a shit about their products, it's their treatment of the community and questionable business practices that have made the C-USA affair such a dramafest.
If people wish to buy an mini-itx x86 board running Linux crammed into a replica case, Godspeed. Just be aware what you are getting. As for C-USA relating to Amiga - that's nonexistant, they have no Amiga offerings on the market right now, only the 64, which afaik does not yet even come with "Commodore OS" or an emulator for C64 stuff.
Personally, I am curious to see reviews on the product they are currently shipping to show up on reputable review sites.
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I don't think I got the whole point of this post and all the reactions about it.
Why the Amiga community hates Commodore USA?
They're just a HW supplier that were able to build a nice c64 replica x86 case. What's really wrong with that?
Are they using the commodore name illegally? (I really don't know. I'm really asking.)
The Amiga scene, while interestingly active, it's kind of a confusing nowadays:
1) retro guys using the original hw and SW (like many other retro scenes)
2) AOS 4 - new software but they insist that it must only run on exotic hardware, otherwise it is not amiga
3) MorphOS - new software and they're more open to existent HW but constantly being criticized because the HW is too old and/or because it's an apple, not an Amiga.
4) AROS - run on (certain) x86 HW, so, you can try to get those UGLY standard PC cases, add NEON and several FANS to it (to get even uglier) and create an AROS box.
5) Natami - (can't tell too much about this option)
and then you have these guys.
Why they can't recreate the A1200 case, with a full functional "mac compatible" keyboard attached and a kit for disassembling a g4 mini and putting it inside of it?
A MorphOS G4 silent A1200 would be REAAALLLLYY cool.
Best regards,
Easy. All the points above you are confused about are what make Amiga so interesting today. The Amiga community at this time is probably the most interesting thing that is happening in the world of computers (in my opinion). So you were spot on with your comparisons of all the different Amiga flavors but i think you should appreciate the differences and not slam them.
As for CUSA, they are bastardizing the Amiga name just so they can make a quick buck. They have no interest or passion in anything to do with anything Amiga and are simply trying to make a quick buck. If you look at all the people involved in the Amiga community such as the peoples at Hyperion, Morphos, Aros etc you will see the people involved have a genuine love for their Miggie projects and the vast majority are volunteer programmers who are not in it for the cash but do what they do out of passion for something they love. CUSA are doing what they are doing because they want quick cash. They are selling imitations as the real thing therefore ruining the goodwill of the Amiga name but this is OK as long as they make a quick buck in the process :madashell:
P.S. I'm drunk.
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You obvious don't understand (or want to understand) what the problems with C-USA are.
I know it's going to sound like trolling but...
I honestly don't know the history behind all the stuff thrown at CUSA... what exactly happened?
As for the C64x I don't mind it but i can't see myself parting with that much coin for one.
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As for CUSA, they are bastardizing the Amiga name just so they can make a quick buck.
So out of character for Amiga companies these days, with the notable exception of one or two.
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@thread
Free advertising of sorts worldwide?
source (http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=33858&forum=17&start=320&viewmode=flat&order=0#621522)
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But is it military spec?>
Military as in epic bomb ?
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I couldn't care less about who they are and what they did.
I think the HW looks great. With the right SW on it, it could be better.
They should invest on a fully customized LINUX distro with C64 Look&Feel along with a c64 emulator somehow integrated with linux. Maybe double clicking .d64's and running those in full screen.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8xMh7k2Bhc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3I0IkSWTqts
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUHx_ImWsNE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Emzz0lbr8uQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=po49nHTotJ8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5mjAxVjGtQ
So, will you just stop whining now?
LOL ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ Ohh will you just stop whining ^ ^ ^
The ole whining about whining gag.
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I couldn't care less about who they are and what they did.
I think the HW looks great. With the right SW on it, it could be better.
They should invest on a fully customized LINUX distro with C64 Look&Feel along with a c64 emulator somehow integrated with linux. Maybe double clicking .d64's and running those in full screen.
First, you have to understand that the people on Amiga.org are nothing but a bunch of whiners who couldn't see the forest for the trees. They like old archaic stuff that no one else would buy. They just don't get it, but in order to sell something Amiga today you almost have to go PC oreintated. Lets look at the stuff they are doing which amigians think are great:
1. Morphos -- uses a 10 year old MAC, using a MAC alone is a disgrace to the real Amigians.
they really insult the old Amiga users with this. Probably works good, don't
don't know since I sort of hate MACS, but this may be the one that breaks
my back, really curious to see how it works.
2. Natami -- Whew, this guy is really desperite, he is really using some old CPU's and calls
it the updating and modernization of the Amiga, Ok they can try to sell it but
I wouldn't buy it, basically old hardware.
3. AROS -- A very interesting group, they probably will have the most success if they
keep going and open up their specifications for use of a PC. I am keeping a
total eye on this one.
4. Sam 440 -- Wow the cost of one of these would buy a good modern day PC that would
really blow away the PC gaming world, but as of yet a totally useless
endeavor, who supports it? a couple of hobby people who make small
programs for it.
Advantages -- it runs OS 4.1, it turns on and works.
Disadvantages -- No support, updates for OS 4.1 (maybe). Looks like a
confined dead system.
5. Minimig -- Ok has the power of an A500, plays old Amiga stuff, will probably buy one
buy one, but once again the cost is very high, Cloanto's Amiga Forever a
better proposition.
6. CUSA -- A really big joke, with a lot of effort, who wants to spend that much for what
they give you. Go to NewEgg or TigerDirect and buy a real computer. Then
get WinUAE or C64 emulator and run it on a real computer.
Advantages -- they are making now and IT WORKS. If everything else fails
you can still use windows or Ubuntu for your computer needs.
Disadvantages -- WAY TO EXPENSIVE FOR WHAT YOU GET.
7. Clonto's Amiga Forever -- This is there, it works very very good, on a MODERN day
computer it works super fast emulating an Amiga, it works
with just about every model of Amiga out there with no
hassle. It is what the Amiga should of been, fast, efficient,
hassle free, no setting up for pal, or NTSC, no using degrader,
modern day graphics, internet (if someone would upgrade the
browsers) usb ports work. Can use floppies, CD's, DVD's,
Needs programmers to drop all the other BS projects and start
programming new modern day programs for it. Constantly
upgradeable, hardware is plentiful and inexpensive.
NOTHING AN AMIGIAN WOULD USE TODAY BECAUSE THEY ARE
ALL A BUNCH OF KNOTHEADS THAT COULDN'T SEE THE LIGHT
IF YOU SHONE IT IN THEIR EYES. THAT IS WHY CUSA IS
BRINGING OUT IT'S UNDERPOWERED COMPUTERS.
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I couldn't care less about who they are and what they did.
Well, you did ask why everybody hates CUSA - that's basically the majority of the reason. They've been strutting around like King Shit of Shit Mountain for over a year now and acting douchey to anybody who doesn't play along with their delusions of grandeur, and frankly it's soured a lot of people on them. I myself came into this with no particular beef with the company, but after the past year of watching their behavior (to say nothing of their assorted sycophants) I'm pretty much rooting for massive commercial failure.
I think the HW looks great. With the right SW on it, it could be better.
The hardware really isn't great, though - it's an (at best) mid-range PC board in a "Special Collector's Replica Edition" breadbox case that they're charging $250 for. (Wonder what the production cost on the case is?) I did a price breakdown in another thread, if you want a PC you can get one many times better than the expanded C64x models for less than the price of the base model. And if you want a C64 case, you can DIY for far less than the cost of their overpriced Franklin Mint crap.
As for the software, they're all talk. They made a lot of noise about running a "custom OS" after using Ubuntu as a stopgap, and now it turns out all they actually meant was producing a Commodore-skinned Ubuntu variant (as many people here predicted right from the get-go.) They're not going to actually put any effort into the software.
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I know it's going to sound like trolling but...
I honestly don't know the history behind all the stuff thrown at CUSA... what exactly happened?
As for the C64x I don't mind it but i can't see myself parting with that much coin for one.
Well, in short, they "stole" a lot of their early info from Amiga fans and tried to pass it off as their own designs. Then they started threatening people with cut & paste legal letters for the internet, then they started threatening and insulting anyone who pointed any of this out or who disagreed with their business model. Then they started trying to pass off any other company they bought components off or purchased advertising space from as either "their facilities" or "their hand-in-hand partner". Let's not mention the lies behind the sales numbers and production runs where they couldn't work out between them whether cases had been shipped, were being produced, were still prototypes, etc. Hell, the C64x was supposedly shipped once a couple of months ago (says Spammy) only for Leo to then post that they were still trying to decide whether to include a mouse in the package (hard to put something in a box that has already been mailed), and as you can see, the first deliveries have only just happened. Oh, and the threats, homophobic remarks and lies just keep on coming. Did you see the the pictures of "their factory in China" showing thousands of motherboards apparently being shipped, only for The Daddy to find the link to the same photographs showing it to be 2 years old and of a factory in Germany? Classic stuff!
If they just came clean and said that they were a PC reseller, operating on a shoestring budget from a small building in a Florida business mall then they would get a lot of respect. Unfortunately, the community has had its fill of lies over the years and the pure unprofessionalism of the company doesn't bode well for after-sales support.
C-USA has had months to turn around, apologize for past mistakes and reboot their image. It seems that they are led by people with character flaws running so deep that they can't even manage that.
That's the problem. :)
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And if you want a C64 case, you can DIY for far less than the cost of their overpriced Franklin Mint crap.
I don't, but, the Business of selling retro cases prepared to hold modern parts sounds much more interesting.
I highly doubt that I could DImyself a case replica. Specially the keyboard part.
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I highly doubt that I could DImyself a case replica. Specially the keyboard part.
http://amigakit.leamancomputing.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=474
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http://amigakit.leamancomputing.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=474
And best of all it gives you two "Atari" style digital joystick ports (justl like a real C64) which you don't get with a C64x.
Nice bit of kit. I have the 8 bit and 16 bit ones and they work.
Please, only use these on "dead" Commodore machines with good keyboards. Don't trash a good one. :(
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Well, in short, they "stole" a lot of their early info from Amiga fans and tried to pass it off as their own designs. Then they started threatening people with cut & paste legal letters for the internet, then they started threatening and insulting anyone who pointed any of this out or who disagreed with their business model. Then they started trying to pass off any other company they bought components off or purchased advertising space from as either "their facilities" or "their hand-in-hand partner". Let's not mention the lies behind the sales numbers and production runs where they couldn't work out between them whether cases had been shipped, were being produced, were still prototypes, etc. Hell, the C64x was supposedly shipped once a couple of months ago (says Spammy) only for Leo to then post that they were still trying to decide whether to include a mouse in the package (hard to put something in a box that has already been mailed), and as you can see, the first deliveries have only just happened. Oh, and the threats, homophobic remarks and lies just keep on coming. Did you see the the pictures of "their factory in China" showing thousands of motherboards apparently being shipped, only for The Daddy to find the link to the same photographs showing it to be 2 years old and of a factory in Germany? Classic stuff!
If they just came clean and said that they were a PC reseller, operating on a shoestring budget from a small building in a Florida business mall then they would get a lot of respect. Unfortunately, the community has had its fill of lies over the years and the pure unprofessionalism of the company doesn't bode well for after-sales support.
C-USA has had months to turn around, apologize for past mistakes and reboot their image. It seems that they are led by people with character flaws running so deep that they can't even manage that.
That's the problem. :)
I think I'm going to start cutting and pasting this paragraph every time someone comes in and starts calling us whinner's and bullies for being anti-C-USA.
We don't hate their product folks!! We just don't like them.
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Sheesh, still going...
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We don't hate their product folks!! We just don't like them.
So, you don't like C-USA because they lie and cheat...
Got it..
Hey, have you ever heard of this guy named Jack Tramiel?????
:lol:
desiv
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So, you don't like C-USA because they lie and cheat...
Got it..
Hey, have you ever heard of this guy named Jack Tramiel?????
:lol:
desiv
Hey, I never said that no other company has had PR problems!. ;)
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But is it military spec?
Win!
:lol:
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Fun fact: The flight computer aboard the space shuttle has less than 1% of the power of the Xbox game console.
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Fun fact: The flight computer aboard the space shuttle has less than 1% of the power of the Xbox game console.
Fun fact: the Shuttle computers don't RROD.
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I don't, but, the Business of selling retro cases prepared to hold modern parts sounds much more interesting.
I highly doubt that I could DImyself a case replica. Specially the keyboard part.
There are a lot of business, DIY and marketing experts on Amiga.org. They can do it all cheaper, better, faster and have 100k units ready at the drop of a hat.
We're definitely not in the same category as these arm-chair business super-stars :)
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There are a lot of business, DIY and marketing experts on Amiga.org. They can do it all cheaper, better, faster and have 100k units ready at the drop of a hat.
We're definitely not in the same category as these arm-chair business super-stars :)
No, you're in the "liars and cheats" category.
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Geez, will you give it a rest...
No, you're in the "liars and cheats" category.
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Geez, will you give it a rest...
You mean, will I stop answering questions or correcting statements?
No.
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Wow. Looks really really cool. Nice design and packaging. Very fun. I dont know why they same handful of people consistently hijack these threads and ruin the fun.. its so lame. Just because its not your vision of something cool no need to always rain on the parade. Its beyond rational or justifiable behavior at this point.
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I can't believe this.
Let's see what we got here... A below average performance desktop pee-cee, bundled in a C64 case that costs around 600 bucks... Everything wrapped into Commodore parafernalia...
And including a "nice" C64 emulator...
MAN! My netbook performs almost the same and costs less than a half than that thing does.
I don't know what's up with that company that claims to be Commodore (USA) but that thing is NOT a Commodore at all.
Do you know what does this thing remind me?
Another piece of crap made by a company that claimed to be Commodore, a piece of crap that was outdated already when it came out to the shops. This piece of "fine" hardware i'm talking about "it's gonna be... (Wait for it)... Legen-... Uh, no... Web-it
Ladies and gentlemen take a look to this and behold how history repeats, and how some people go stepping into the same stone over and over...
Using the name and giving NOTHING in exchange.
http://www.amigahistory.co.uk/c64web.html
You just can't build a crappy PC and put on it a C64 sticker and claim it to be a C64.
The fraudulent policy of C-USA has stolen not only the Commodore name, nor the C64 case, but ALSO EVEN THE F-KEYS ON THE KEYBOARD.
Press F12 to continue... If you can.
I'm not going to buy that crap. I can emulate a C64 on my desktop PeeCee, on my Netbook, on my Mini or even on my A1200. I do own 4 C64's... I don't need another peecee into a breadbin case that probably will melt itself due the lack of airflow into a case that doesn't provide enough space for a proper refrigeration for components that produce so much heat.
What most of us are waiting for, is an implementation of the C64 on a FPGA in the way the Natami is for the Amiga...
Not some other crappy intel-nvidia-gates triunvirate product. With a nice C= sticker that means... tons of overpricing.
The former top-segment C= branded peecees marketed a couple of years ago, were a "good" idea, good performance but too expensive.
On the other hand, this product has poor performance and yet an expensive price for what is providing.
So, i can only say one thing: Boooooo
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Fun fact:
Military and NASA flight computer equipment is built to cover two basical objectives, robustness, and modularity. I've seen military equipment for LRR stations, on-board IFF computers, even target designing computers that held a frakkin' 68030.
They're definitelly not top-notch CPU's, but they're robust, they don't produce too much heat, they don't have an elevate power consumption, they're reliable, they come in embedded boards for a easy module replacement... AND THEY DO WHAT THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO DO.
So, comparing the Xbox with some NASA flight computer, is stupid as it would be to compare the top speed of a Ferrari with the top speed of a M2 Bradley.
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Fun fact:
Military and NASA flight computer equipment is built to cover two basical objectives, robustness, and modularity. I've seen military equipment for LRR stations, on-board IFF computers, even target designing computers that held a frakkin' 68030.
They're definitelly not top-notch CPU's, but they're robust, they don't produce too much heat, they don't have an elevate power consumption, they're reliable, they come in embedded boards for a easy module replacement... AND THEY DO WHAT THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO DO.
So, comparing the Xbox with some NASA flight computer, is stupid as it would be to compare the top speed of a Ferrari with the top speed of a M2 Bradley.
The idea of a Fun Fact is that they are supposed to be fun. But yours was not fun, it was more of a Boring Fact :p
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Red ring of death... :)
(http://www.civin.org/wp/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/red-ring-of-death-07.jpg)
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I dont know why they same handful of people consistently hijack these threads and ruin the fun.. its so lame. Just because its not your vision of something cool no need to always rain on the parade. Its beyond rational or justifiable behavior at this point.
If the parade hadn't been dragging on for a goddamn year and being loud and obnoxious, I might not be so inclined to rain on it.
*many words*
An excellent restatement of the argument, but I'm afraid all I see is MONSTERPIECE THEATRE!
What most of us are waiting for, is an implementation of the C64 on a FPGA in the way the Natami is for the Amiga...
Yeah, that would be pretty great. I'd have to think that a C128 reimplementation plus a 65816 core equivalent to the SuperCPU would be easily doable on inexpensive FPGA hardware...I'd be all over that, let me tell you.
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If the parade hadn't been dragging on for a goddamn year and being loud and obnoxious, I might not be so inclined to rain on it.
An excellent restatement of the argument, but I'm afraid all I see is MONSTERPIECE THEATRE!
Yeah, that would be pretty great. I'd have to think that a C128 reimplementation plus a 65816 core equivalent to the SuperCPU would be easily doable on inexpensive FPGA hardware...I'd be all over that, let me tell you.
Well Monsterpiece Theatre was fun, this so called C64X is NOT. XD
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The idea of a Fun Fact is that they are supposed to be fun. But yours was not fun, it was more of a Boring Fact :p
Hey, targeting computers are fun. Specially when you can use something to blast the target.
Mwahahahahahahah.
However the explanation was quite boring, indeed. ^^
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I wouldn't buy it .... far more fun using the PC I already own to do the same thing like good old Jump man junior http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EG7TUaDdJvQ
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No, you're in the "liars and cheats" category.
Hehe, hit a bit too close to home for you did it, Darrin? Does this mean we're in the same group now?
But don't worry, arm-chair experts need love too. xoxox :-)
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Yeah, that would be pretty great. I'd have to think that a C128 reimplementation plus a 65816 core equivalent to the SuperCPU would be easily doable on inexpensive FPGA hardware...I'd be all over that, let me tell you.
We already have the C64 in FPGA thanks to the Chameleon64 and it has extended memory and a CPU turbo mode (for all you GEOS fans). :)
To me, Commodore fans should be way more interested in that compared to a PC in a look-a-like case.
I must admit that I like the idea of someone pushing a retro-computer software combination as the current offerings from the Big Companies seems to consist of those annoying "Wild Tagent" games.
C64x case aside, what we have on offer from C-USA is a choice of repackaged off-the-shelf computers from existing retailers with minimal customisation and a quickly hacked together offering of an existing free OS bundled with a few free software packages.
Save some money and for a few dollars download and install:
AmigaForever
VICE
MAME
plus any other freeware that grabs your attention.
I wonder how many customers are going to be upset by the lack of bundled pirate ADF/D64 files.
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Hehe, hit a bit too close to home for you did it, Darrin? Does this mean we're in the same group now?
But don't worry, arm-chair experts need love too. xoxox :-)
No Barry, it doesn't. :)
(I know you're not really Bazza)
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Sorry about this because i'm not a native english speaker, but, what does that Bazza stuff mean?
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Another unix OS in the age of OS X, iOS, WebOS, Android and whatever they're calling the RIM Playboy OS. How new and innovative. NOT.
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Sorry about this because i'm not a native english speaker, but, what does that Bazza stuff mean?
Barry's official nick-name. :)
He has a few more too.
(Bazza tends to be a Chav version of Barry in the UK).
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Barry's official nick-name. :)
He has a few more too.
(Bazza tends to be a Chav version of Barry in the UK).
Little confused. Isn't Bazza a nickname you give to someone you like? Like Wazza for Wayne Rooney? Is it different in the UK compared to in the States?
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And best of all it gives you two "Atari" style digital joystick ports (justl like a real C64) which you don't get with a C64x.
Nice bit of kit. I have the 8 bit and 16 bit ones and they work.
Please, only use these on "dead" Commodore machines with good keyboards. Don't trash a good one. :(
OMG! that's really amazing. How it works with special keys like page up/down, home, print screen, windows keys and etc?
It would be really nice to use a trashed A1200 with it.
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Regardless of what everyone says, I still have the original and this is pretty cool seeing the new one. Its a new product, even if specs aren't quite that spectacular and I honestly can't wait to see the first Amiga off production line. If it seems good, I may buy one just to have it and try it out. Even though some people on here have issues with C=USA at least they have release actual Hawrdware that Gateway or Amiga INC failed to do. Especially after the pre-order T-Shirt BS with A-inc I am honestly hoping the new Commodore does go all out with Amiga and who knows maybe they can be the next Apple (well I mean rise from the dead, but be better lol). Anyways here's to hopefully a new Amiga of some kind for sale.
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Even though some people on here have issues with C=USA at least they have release actual Hawrdware that Gateway or Amiga INC failed to do.
Gateway has sold tons of PCs.
Amiga Inc. even sold some too.
http://www.amigahistory.co.uk/amiedevsys.html
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tl;dr warning
Just wish people would give more support to projects like FPGA Arcade and NatAmi. If there's a true successor to the Amiga legacy, it's these guys like Mike/Yaqube and and the NatAmi team down there in the trenches with soldering irons and compilers blazing. And yes, I say that as someone who paid for a SAM 440, which I do enjoy. In this day and age, we gotta root for the little guys and those that came before them, like Georg Braun (GB 1000) and Dennis van Weeren (Minimig). The FPGA Arcade and NatAmi should fill a huge gap in the market, providing a top performing "legacy" style Amiga that can be used for more than just games. Will the price be high, compared to a 3.5ghz windows PC? I am sure it will, since you can buy a well equipped x86 PC for a few hundred bucks off the shelf. This is a hobby market, and no one can complete against the big guns price wise. I'll pay a premium for a good niche product.
The C-USA products are Intel/x86 PC's. No more, no less. Any sales, hype or buzz they make won't further our causes or best interests and Commodore fans and the respect for the legacy of said products. While I have no love for their business practices, I wish them well - but anyone thinking that C-USA will bring Commodore back from the dead and into the mainstream is delusional. What they sell are commodity PC's running Linux. No bashing here, plain facts. They aren't selling any more "magic" than any other PC maker slapping commodity hardware in a shiny case.
You are buying a Linux PC from them, wth the promise they will release some form of integrated and seamless emulation solution, C64 OR Amiga. You can obtain that yourself at a far lower cost with far better performance, but I am sure C-USA's products will appeal to some and I wish said buyers the best, sincerely.
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Just wish people would give more support to projects like FPGA Arcade and NatAmi. If there's a true successor to the Amiga legacy, it's these guys like Mike/Yaqube and and the NatAmi team down there in the trenches with soldering irons and compilers blazing.
Quoted for absolute, utter truth. Would that more people in this community valued things like creativity, skillful architecture design, and community spirit more than they do a rented brand name.
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OMG! that's really amazing. How it works with special keys like page up/down, home, print screen, windows keys and etc?
It would be really nice to use a trashed A1200 with it.
That's the problem though, the lack of Windows keys when using these old keyboards. I used mine to plug in when I wanted to run VICE, WinUAE etc (I had an empty A1200 case with a keyboard on a shelf from when I strip out the motherboard and put it in an Elbox tower case).
I'm sure Windows users are going to be feeling the pain too when they try and use the C64x for serious daily use with certain programs. Hell, I can't imagine life without a numeric keypad. Even my last 4 laptops had full keyboards. :)
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Quoted for absolute, utter truth. Would that more people in this community valued things like creativity, skillful architecture design, and community spirit more than they do a rented brand name.
What get's me is that poor Steve Jones did this (and is still doing it) with his Imica series PCs for AROS. Why isn't Spammy and the C-USA camp jacking off over his efforts? He's been doing it modestly for over a year and putting money back into driver development.
His machines can run UAE and VICE too.
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Dell, Acer, and HP sell quite a few PCs too.
Regardless of what everyone says, I still have the original and this is pretty cool seeing the new one. Its a new product, even if specs aren't quite that spectacular and I honestly can't wait to see the first Amiga off production line. If it seems good, I may buy one just to have it and try it out. Even though some people on here have issues with C=USA at least they have release actual Hawrdware that Gateway or Amiga INC failed to do. Especially after the pre-order T-Shirt BS with A-inc I am honestly hoping the new Commodore does go all out with Amiga and who knows maybe they can be the next Apple (well I mean rise from the dead, but be better lol). Anyways here's to hopefully a new Amiga of some kind for sale.
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Dell, Acer, and HP sell quite a few PCs too.
For far less money.
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Dell, Acer, and HP sell quite a few PCs too.
Sweet!
Where's the link on the Dell webpage to the their computer in a retro case??
Oh, you mean they make PCs in PC cases?
I thought the whole point of the C64x was that is was in that case?
Not sure why people keep bringing up big PC makers who aren't doing what C-USA is??
I'm not going to buy one; I agree it's too expensive for what you get, but the bashing is making the basher's look dumb, and I know some of them aren't...
But, it's a free country.. Bash away.. ;-)
desiv
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What get's me is that poor Steve Jones did this (and is still doing it) with his Imica series PCs for AROS. Why isn't Spammy and the C-USA camp jacking off over his efforts? He's been doing it modestly for over a year and putting money back into driver development.
But he doesn't have The Name, man! Who cares about all that crap like community involvement and serious development work when you don't even have the Holy Name rented? Where's the sense of priorities!?
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@desiv
You have to wait. The C=USA "Amiga" is a PC in a PC case!
(http://www.univ-orleans.fr/mapmo/membres/chauveau/MacPC.jpg)
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@desiv You have to wait. The C=USA "Amiga" is a PC in a PC case!
True... I'll agree there..
Even I think that's pretty sad, and I'm pretty easy going..
:roflmao:
desiv
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So, will you just stop whining now?
Who cares about that?
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Little confused. Isn't Bazza a nickname you give to someone you like? Like Wazza for Wayne Rooney? Is it different in the UK compared to in the States?
Only in Darrin's world .. he calls random strangers "liars and cheats". Perhaps its something in the water :-)
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Might just buy one for my roadcase, will add a nice retro element to my set :banana: And lets face it...I can't run Traktor on an original C64 ;)
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@desiv
You have to wait. The C=USA "Amiga" is a PC in a PC case!
(http://www.univ-orleans.fr/mapmo/membres/chauveau/MacPC.jpg)
(http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/6458/screenshotgns.png)
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@desiv
(http://www.univ-orleans.fr/mapmo/membres/chauveau/MacPC.jpg)
What I find hilarious about this, given that I work with both of these platforms, is that in the real world, it is quite the opposite.
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What I find hilarious about this, given that I work with both of these platforms, is that in the real world, it is quite the opposite.
Forgive my ignorance but in what way? Please tell...
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Only in Darrin's world .. he calls random strangers "liars and cheats". Perhaps its something in the water :-)
Nah, that's just how the Welsh talk. Did you also know that they bang sheep?
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8xMh7k2Bhc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3I0IkSWTqts
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUHx_ImWsNE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Emzz0lbr8uQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=po49nHTotJ8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5mjAxVjGtQ
So, will you just stop whining now?
OK then you set up an account just to tell us to stop whining and then you never come back again to post. Don't pick fights you can't keep. Are you too scared of us to post anymore? :confused:
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@Kesa
The idea there is, if you look at the Apple car, while it's pretty easy to fix some minor issues "under the bonnet," some of the more complicated things are buried much deeper, behind that switch and nicely shaped plastic engine cover. At least Windows has its mangled, ugly and convoluted guts on display for the world to see...
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Only in Darrin's world .. he calls random strangers "liars and cheats". Perhaps its something in the water :-)
It was in reference to your use of "we're" in your first post (like you think you're part of C-USA).
You may want to drink some water yourself and work out the difference between "I", "we" and "they". ;-)
Spammy has trouble with that too strangely enough.
We're definitely not in the same category as these arm-chair business super-stars :)
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I know it's going to sound like trolling but...
I honestly don't know the history behind all the stuff thrown at CUSA... what exactly happened?
As for the C64x I don't mind it but i can't see myself parting with that much coin for one.
A few users on here got their panties in a twist over the fact CUSA actually produced a product(legally) that they did not approve of and these users said CUSA could not possibly ever complete such an item. Its not uncommon on this site for a few users to be pathetic, and abusive if people do not follow them over the cliff to extinction.
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A few users on here got their panties in a twist over the fact CUSA actually produced a product(legally) that they did not approve of and these users said CUSA could not possibly ever complete such an item. Its not uncommon on this site for a few users to be pathetic, and abusive if people do not follow them over the cliff to extinction.
Errr... no, that wasn't it at all.
Nice fantasy though. Is Bazza giving you $10 off your C64x for that post?
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@thread
New story about Mike Commodore and the Commodore USA connection (http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/blog/puck_daddy/post/Mike-Commodore-64-Red-Wings-give-blessing-pled?urn=nhl-wp8949)
(http://octopusthrower.com/files/2011/07/Yahoo-Sports-Commodore-64-jeresy.jpg)
counter campaign (http://www.kuklaskorner.com/index.php/a2y/comments/note_to_commodore_dont_do_it/)
The story is dominating: http://twitter.com/commodoreusa
Interesting also that this is described as a trend. The Los Angeles Dodgers (baseball) are already on it:
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Lh6Knisiqnw/Tg6Jv7A8C6I/AAAAAAAAG_4/PwWRrxhyo0w/s640/chapter11dodgersjersey.jpg)
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New C=USA Amiga
(http://nifaq.pbworks.com/f/1293217128/%2AError%2A%20Program%20not%20installed.%20Please%20insert%20cheezburger%20to%20continue.jpg)
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Didn't take long for the cockroach squad at C-USA to latch onto that story, and spam like it was their idea and for their benefit on Twitter, lol.
Sadly predictable.
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counter campaign (http://www.kuklaskorner.com/index.php/a2y/comments/note_to_commodore_dont_do_it/)
The story is dominating: http://twitter.com/commodoreusa
Interesting also that this is described as a trend. The Los Angeles Dodgers (baseball) are already on it:
#6
I think the comments on the counter campaign are pretty funny. Here's a bunch of hockey-obsessed sports fans who you wouldn't expect to even remember the Commodore 64 from back in the 80s...they must have been closet Atari fans! :D
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But he doesn't have The Name, man! Who cares about all that crap like community involvement and serious development work when you don't even have the Holy Name rented? Where's the sense of priorities!?
Steve is quite welcome to use the holy "Commodore Amiga" trademark that I own (Well, in Iran, most of the "non-aligned" countries and a few others too.)
Same goes for the AresOne guy too.
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Errr... no, that wasn't it at all.
Nice fantasy though. Is Bazza giving you $10 off your C64x for that post?
$10? Cheapskate, he offered me $100. I knew I would draw a response though. Anything with CUSA in the sentence usually does.
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I think alot of people's problem with them is simply that their lies bullshit and hype far outweigh their reality. If they said nothing and just produced this it would probably have been much more warmly recieved. Instead, we get over a year and a half of lies, bullshit, stolen graphics, stolen website from apple, existing computers with a commodore sticker slapped on, all kinds of bullshit announcements, fanboys invading amiga.org and other sites but claiming amiga fans aren't their market... Their ceo threatening to sue osnews for stating facts in his acticle, then he went on to alienating aros users, insulting os4 and morphos, and more.
I'd love to see their sales figures. And what about the tens of thousands of units going to big box retail or was that all bullshit too?
If they broke 1000 in sales on these that would be remarkable. I just don't see anyone other than huge c64 fans wanting one. C64 was a remarkable machine, but does anyone REALLY want to work on that keyboard now?
Could you imagine having to type long papers or letters on that? EEEW.
And another thing, getting custom cases and keyboards made is very expensive. Even with their TREMENDOUS markup for the electronic components they used, they are probably barely making any money selling these.
CUSA? Its a guy with too much money pretending to be the next Steve Jobs or Bill Gates, and he's doing a really bad job of it. Business is about making money, not losing it.
Steven
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I'd love to see their sales figures. And what about the tens of thousands of units going to big box retail or was that all bullshit too?
Yeah, that would be interesting to see. You'd think if that was really true, they'd be running around crowing about it and patting themselves on the back for being so successful...
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8xMh7k2Bhc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3I0IkSWTqts
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUHx_ImWsNE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Emzz0lbr8uQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=po49nHTotJ8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5mjAxVjGtQ
So, will you just stop whining now?
That looks really cool! :)
It's quite obvious that some serious work went into this package, it looks very professional. I'd really like one of these, just for the coolness factor (:)), but will wait to see if the price comes down in a year or so. And I doubt they have a Swedish (probably not even a "Scandinavian") keyboard option anyway, right?
Worth some applause nevertheless! I think many people have dreamt about product like this, and now it has happened! :) Looks like they really made it! :D
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It was in reference to your use of "we're" in your first post (like you think you're part of C-USA).
Ah, apologies you weren't being a dick, you just fail at reading comprehension :-)
Perhaps we need a [Darrin] tag that puts everything in big letters and single syllables ;>
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Ah, apologies you weren't being a dick, you just fail at reading comprehension :-)
Perhaps we need a [Darrin] tag that puts everything in big letters and single syllables ;>
or alternatively we could send you back to school to do grade-level English. ;)
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Ain't gonna see any of these at any retail chain like Best Buy, lol. That isn't the market, and that was the first preposterous claim they made.
This is the world of commodity hardware. They have about as much chance at a Best Buy as an up to date, full fledged "real" A 40000000 Teeee with a quad core 5ghz CPU and a gazillion gigs of ram would, even if that's our own little wet dream.
People go into the mainstream retail chains for XBox games, cell phones, "i" devices, etc. Times have changed. There is not enough market to even consider warranting the shelf space unless the market is gobbling them up like peanuts. The days of wandering into a computer shop where the owner, whom you knew by name, shook your hand and showed you all the new stuff - long gone, sad to say.
No old fart that owned a C64 nearly 30 years ago is lining up out the door of a retail chain chomping at the bit to get their x64. The salesman would tell him to "buy this $200 pc, it's more powerful" or upsell them on a high end Mac.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8xMh7k2Bhc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3I0IkSWTqts
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUHx_ImWsNE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Emzz0lbr8uQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=po49nHTotJ8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5mjAxVjGtQ
So, will you just stop whining now?
But will it blend?
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But will it blend?
Don't be silly. It won't fit in the blender.
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i think i want one.... it would look v. cool @ the office - bit of a talking point.
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I have no particular opinion on any of this but to say I dont understand why the c64x is getting so much attention on amiga sites. Thier eventual amiga offerings are contentious as to whether theyre even relevant on amiga sites let alone the c64x.
The only other thing that I find even remotely interesting is the price. $600? Ive seen that figure a few times, is this accurate? So basically youre paying 400 or so for a replica c64 case+keyboard? The mobo/cpu combination is worth slightly under $100, ram another $25, hdd another $40, plus optical drive is another $25. PSU may also be another $25. These are the prices that I can purchase this hardware for today, in single quantities, so the safe bet is that these prices are somewhat higher than theyd be in a bulk purchase.
Now each to thier own, but if Im gonna get screwed for an extra 350-400 then I want a high class busty blonde nymphomaniac involved in the screwing.
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Really?
The mobo/cpu combination is worth slightly under $100,
TRY DOUBLE THAT
KEYBOARD? STOCK DAS KEYBOARD SELLS FOR APPROX $150
CASE? PRICELESS
Now you're up to $350, add a card reader,HDD, DVD drive, PCI mini WiFi/BT module, chassis bracket, memory, power switch/led, color carton, manual, rubber feet, logo badge, shipping carton, custom wire harness, fan, UL power suppply, labor, insurance, overhead, royalty payments, and profit.
Forget the busty blonde nympho call girl, you'll have just enough left for a toothless crack whore, if you're lucky. maybe.
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The only other thing that I find even remotely interesting is the price. $600? Ive seen that figure a few times, is this accurate?
Actually, $595 is just for the basic model, with 2GB RAM, 160GB hard drive, no wireless, and no optical drive (a.k.a. barely better than my $300 three-year-old netbook.) If you want something even approaching a modern PC, you get to pay from $695 to $895 for the privilege :lol:
Now each to thier own, but if Im gonna get screwed for an extra 350-400 then I want a high class busty blonde nymphomaniac involved in the screwing.
I hear that for $1200, you get Barry in a wig...but it's Commodore-licensed, which means it must be worth it!
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Forget the busty blonde nympho call girl, you'll have just enough left for a toothless crack whore, if you're lucky. maybe.
Well speak of the devil! Say, as long as we've got you here, Barry, exactly what will "Commodore OS" have that vanilla Ubuntu doesn't?
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Don't be silly. It won't fit in the blender.
Okay, will they shread?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQYPCPB1g3o
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or alternatively we could send you back to school to do grade-level English. ;)
Pfft, yanks don't learn English :-)
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Pfft, yanks don't learn English :-)
LOL. That made me think of the time my wife came home and told me one of the Doctors at the hospital had completed a form and where it said "languages spoken" he had written "American".
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What the hell? "...Forget the busty blonde nympho call girl, you'll have just enough left for a toothless crack whore, if you're lucky. maybe." Seriously? Dude you shipped a product. Let the fans fight it out. Why do you feel the need to pop in and write stupid crap?
Is this like The Producers? Is there some sort of contract somewhere that if you fail you get a big pay day? Are you going to name your operating system HitlerOS or something? I mean I can't imagine a worse way to put forward a public face for the company. If these niche communities mean so little than why pop in? Devote your energy to promoting your product elsewhere, because the rest of the computing world...and I mean all computer manufactures don't have their CEOs pop into random forums to write stupid crap to people.
Even if people talk crap about your product that doesn't mean people don't still get directed to your product anyway. If negative statements killed every product than Apple would have been bankrupt in 1985, Bill Gates would be infront of the Hague by now, and every Linux user would be infront of the House Committee on UnAmerican Activities. The fact is that computer users have flame wars. The sooner you understand this the better your business will run.
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@Kesa
The idea there is, if you look at the Apple car, while it's pretty easy to fix some minor issues "under the bonnet," some of the more complicated things are buried much deeper, behind that switch and nicely shaped plastic engine cover. At least Windows has its mangled, ugly and convoluted guts on display for the world to see...
Plus Microsoft have gone through the problems with security. MacOS has too many exploits, it's always the fastest to get hacked at any event & they are slow to release fixes. Apple have relied on their low market share for too long, now they are gaining popularity you can expect it to be pwned alot more.
Whoever chose the delorean for linux either can't know how badly engineered the car was, or they are making fun of linux. If it has the flux capacitor upgrade then at least it can go back in time to when linux was relevant. The delorean unfortunately was never relevant, unless you wanted to pretend you were marty mcfly.
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MacOS has too many exploits, it's always the fastest to get hacked at any event
I would love to have a link to this...so show to my Apple friends....
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I mean I can't imagine a worse way to put forward a public face for the company. If these niche communities mean so little than why pop in? Devote your energy to promoting your product elsewhere, because the rest of the computing world...and I mean all computer manufactures don't have their CEOs pop into random forums to write stupid crap to people.
I'm honestly starting to wonder if that whole "screw the CBM/Amiga community, they're not the target market" thing isn't working out so well for him...the sycophants have been blathering incessantly here from day one, but it's only recently that Barry himself has started popping 'round...are we all you have left, Mr. Barry, sir? 'Cause that would be pretty damn funny.
The delorean unfortunately was never relevant, unless you wanted to pretend you were marty mcfly.
I'm sorry, there are people who don't want to pretend they're Marty McFly?
...well, actually, I'll take Doc Brown, myself.
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So basically youre paying 400 or so for a replica c64 case+keyboard?
Really?
The mobo/cpu combination is worth slightly under $100,
TRY DOUBLE THAT
Now I'm no mathematician, but isn't Digex basically admitting that Fishy_fiz is correct? That, yes, if you bought the Mobo and CPU it'd be about $200 off the shelf and everything else you are getting is costing the extra $400?
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Ah, ok, didnt realise it was ion based for that price. So theyre only actually making about 250-300 per machine, even going by single item retail prices. Maybe they should include a voucher for 1/2 an hour with the aforementioned busty blonde. To be redeemed at the local used car lot.
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really?
The mobo/cpu combination is worth slightly under $100,
try double that
keyboard? Stock das keyboard sells for approx $150
case? Priceless
now you're up to $350, add a card reader,hdd, dvd drive, pci mini wifi/bt module, chassis bracket, memory, power switch/led, color carton, manual, rubber feet, logo badge, shipping carton, custom wire harness, fan, ul power suppply, labor, insurance, overhead, royalty payments, and profit.
Forget the busty blonde nympho call girl, you'll have just enough left for a toothless crack whore, if you're lucky. Maybe.
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@ Smerf
God your getting boring now. Any chance you could fuck off please
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@ Smerf
God your getting boring now. Any chance you could fuck off please
First you were picking on Franko and now you are picking on Smerf. Do you have to be such a bully? :lol:
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@ Smerf
God your getting boring now. Any chance you could fuck off please
User CP -> Edit Ignore List ;)
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Are you trying to say the chinese got the better of you? Really Barry I appreciate that you are new to the computer business but you have to be a better negotiator than that to make it. As you are now aware there are entire cities in China devoted to computer parts, the factories DO compete with each other and they DO drive a hard bargain. China is the last place on earth to start to learn how to haggle.
Really?
The mobo/cpu combination is worth slightly under $100,
TRY DOUBLE THAT
KEYBOARD? STOCK DAS KEYBOARD SELLS FOR APPROX $150
CASE? PRICELESS
Now you're up to $350, add a card reader,HDD, DVD drive, PCI mini WiFi/BT module, chassis bracket, memory, power switch/led, color carton, manual, rubber feet, logo badge, shipping carton, custom wire harness, fan, UL power suppply, labor, insurance, overhead, royalty payments, and profit.
Forget the busty blonde nympho call girl, you'll have just enough left for a toothless crack whore, if you're lucky. maybe.
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First you were picking on Franko and now you are picking on Smerf. Do you have to be such a bully? :lol:
+1
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Are you trying to say the chinese got the better of you? Really Barry I appreciate that you are new to the computer business but you have to be a better negotiator than that to make it. As you are now aware there are entire cities in China devoted to computer parts, the factories DO compete with each other and they DO drive a hard bargain. China is the last place on earth to start to learn how to haggle.
Barry also claims that they sell the VIC-Slim at a loss, even though they sell it for over 2x what the manufacturer sells it for.
I'm not sure if Barry is paying way too much for things, or if he is just really, really bad at math.
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@ Smerf
God your getting boring now. Any chance you could fuck off please
+1
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I'm not sure if Barry is paying way too much for things, or if he is just really, really bad at math.
Sounds like he knows what he needs to have left for a
toothless crack whore
at the end of the night, though.
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Thing that puzzles me though - as the "head magnate of a multimillion dollar worldwide computer empire known as Commodore USA", how does he still have the time (and a reason) to come on little old A.org to talk shit.
Barry/Digitex, go away - you're being unprofessional. If people want your products, products I assume you have full faith and confidence in - you are beyond this childish forums nonsense and "toothless crackwhore" business. You aren't defending your name or product, you are dragging your own name through the mud.
Would you go on ABC Morning News to demo your product and blurt out "Such a value! Buy our 64x and still have enough money left over to buy a toothless crackwhore!".
No, you wouldn't, so don't do it here.
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Are you trying to say the chinese got the better of you? Really Barry I appreciate that you are new to the computer business but you have to be a better negotiator than that to make it. As you are now aware there are entire cities in China devoted to computer parts, the factories DO compete with each other and they DO drive a hard bargain. China is the last place on earth to start to learn how to haggle.
When I worked in China I quickly found out that if you want the best deal you:
a. Negotiate in person.
b. Have someone who is Chinese do the talking.
c. Realize that everything costs one-tenth of what you actually think it does.
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Would you go on ABC Morning News to demo your product and blurt out "Such a value! Buy our 64x and still have enough money left over to buy a toothless crackwhore!".
I bet he would and it does make a catchy slogan.
I think we need to get some t-shirts made:
Commodore USA
Bazza says:
"Buy our C64x and have enough
money left over to shag a toothless
crackwhore!"
followed by this pic:
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b134/darrin01311/transvestitent4.jpg
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First you were picking on Franko and now you are picking on Smerf. Do you have to be such a bully? :lol:
I am not a bully, I am just fed up of people repeating the same old grabage on this site. He basically just loves to slag off anything Amiga. No idea why he posts here.
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User CP -> Edit Ignore List ;)
Done. Smerf has joined Franko. He is good compnay as only the second person ever in over ten years to go on my ignore list. :)
Think I will use it more. Much better for my blood pressure
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Would you go on ABC Morning News to demo your product and blurt out "Such a value! Buy our 64x and still have enough money left over to buy a toothless crackwhore!".
No, you wouldn't, so don't do it here.
Well, on his own forum he questioned someone's sexual performance, pressed for details about preferences, and said that he'd been spying on the guy and his wife in coitus, for asking a question about pricing...honestly, whore talk doesn't even come close to topping that.
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I think John Edwards (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Edward)is very close to loosing his title as "the biggest douche (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douche) in the universe" to Barry
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I think John Edwards (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Edward)is very close to loosing his title as "the biggest douche (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douche) in the universe" to Barry
[OT]While I won't argue that douche is an accurate description of John Edward, I'd be interested in hearing more about why you think he's the biggest one in the universe. Maybe things are different where you are but over here in the US he was washed up around the same time as Miss Cleo.
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I was just reminded of this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biggest_douche_in_the_universe) for some reason
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@JJ
Me too.
Didn't actually know who he was before that episode but that wasn't important.
The episode is still one of my favourites.
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Well, on his own forum he questioned someone's sexual performance, pressed for details about preferences, and said that he'd been spying on the guy and his wife in coitus, for asking a question about pricing...honestly, whore talk doesn't even come close to topping that.
I think he's realized by now his get rich quick scheme isn't going to work and is just taking anything he can get at this point. If all that amounts to is a platform where people are paying attention to his nonsense, he'll enjoy feeling "big" for a bit.
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It never ends...
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Well, on his own forum he questioned someone's sexual performance..
Wait? So you're saying that the C64X can also enhance "performance??"
Now, this is an extra selling point!!!
Now I understand the "X" in the name!!!
Where's that credit card... hmm..
I mean.. for a friend.. :nervous: um.. yeah...
desiv
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCe7-QQOM1U
Looks like any other Ubuntu 11.04 install to me, assuming he installed it off the included disc shouldn't it have some branding?
Lack of a hardware based eject for the BD drive? :laughing:
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Really?
The mobo/cpu combination is worth slightly under $100,
TRY DOUBLE THAT
KEYBOARD? STOCK DAS KEYBOARD SELLS FOR APPROX $150
CASE? PRICELESS
Now you're up to $350, add a card reader,HDD, DVD drive, PCI mini WiFi/BT module, chassis bracket, memory, power switch/led, color carton, manual, rubber feet, logo badge, shipping carton, custom wire harness, fan, UL power suppply, labor, insurance, overhead, royalty payments, and profit.
Forget the busty blonde nympho call girl, you'll have just enough left for a toothless crack whore, if you're lucky. maybe.
I wish I could cut and paste that onto the "About Us" section of the C-USA website......
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCe7-QQOM1U
Looks like any other Ubuntu 11.04 install to me, assuming he installed it off the included disc shouldn't it have some branding?
Lack of a hardware based eject for the BD drive? :laughing:
You mean like every Apple iMac ever made? :D
Also:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKL58NBSXYU&feature=related
looks like it runs Crysis (a ca. 2008 game) better than the A1 runs Quake II, a ca. 1997 game...:P
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You mean like every Apple iMac ever made? :D
Also:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKL58NBSXYU&feature=related
looks like it runs Crysis (a ca. 2008 game) better than the A1 runs Quake II, a ca. 1997 game...:P
My 5 year old Dell laptop could probably run it better then an A1 as well. What's your point?
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8xMh7k2Bhc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3I0IkSWTqts
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUHx_ImWsNE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Emzz0lbr8uQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=po49nHTotJ8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5mjAxVjGtQ
So, will you just stop whining now?
How about a video of you smashing it and maybe setting it on fire like in the deathbed vigil - Its the best use of one i can think of.:rofl:
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How about a video of you smashing it and maybe setting it on fire like in the deathbed vigil - Its the best use of one i can think of.:rofl:
Jealousy is an ugly thing. :D
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The old "can it run Crysis" meme went out years back. Any PC in the last 3 years can run Crysis just fine, lol. My netbook from 2 years ago can run Crysis at low settings. FYI, Crysis was releases in 2007....
Quit being dumb - and Crysis in low ql mode (yes, that's low ql mode - as a Triple SLI PC owner, I know this well) isn't much bragging rights going on FOUR years after the game was released.
How's the heat running Crysis? :lol: Install another fan yet? Bet those newfangled games play real well with that limited keyboard. Drill any holes in it yet? That 140+ degree case bottom of those machines must be a real treat. Maybe someone will sell officially branded laptop stands/coolers that you guys seem so fond of lately.
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It would seem that Ptah has already put the thing on a fan assisted stand already. That must make the typing experience even more enjoyable. :rofl:
http://www.commodore-amiga.org/forum/27-commodore-usa/4928-fan-and-different-function-keys?lang=en#5931
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The old "can it run Crysis" meme went out years back.
Old meme's NEVER DIE!!
:banana::banana::banana:
All of your meme belong to us!!
desiv
p.s. I like turtles..
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8xMh7k2Bhc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3I0IkSWTqts
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUHx_ImWsNE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Emzz0lbr8uQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=po49nHTotJ8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5mjAxVjGtQ
So, will you just stop whining now?
How about a video of you smashing it and maybe setting it on fire like in the deathbed vigil - Its the best use of one i can think of.:rofl:
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Jealousy is an ugly thing. :D
Yes, I'm totally jealous of a system I beat the ever-loving pants off of (http://amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?p=642766#post642766) for $80 less than the price of the base model. How will I cope?
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Tags: c64 , c64x , commodore , cusa , unboxing , videos , #whining# :rofl:
jaja, the grape is unripe and sour :roflmao:
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Pretty neat looking even if it is only an Atom based PC.
Why weren't POST messages displayed so we could see if C=USA has even bothered to modify the BIOS?
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it would appear from this video that they haven't:
http://www.youtube.com/user/EternalPtah#p/u/0/a53UOSotyas
I am pretty sure that there is a picture floating around of the factory doing the vic-slims showing a bios screen with the commodore logo on it. But for the life in me I can't find it now.
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Found it. You can see from the pic ,that the Chinese facility dealing with the vic-slim's has provided, the bios displaying the Commodore logo. Which makes me wonder why they have put it on the slims and not the flagship C64X.
(http://www.commodoreusa.net/vicslimproduction/2.jpg)
http://www.commodore-amiga.org/forum/27-commodore-usa/4257-more-photos-from-cusa?limit=15&start=30&lang=en#4443
Maybe thats another thing that will come on the COS 1.X disk lol. :D
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Well, who's to say that's a real picture? Given how the other factory photos turned out...
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it would appear from this video that they haven't:
http://www.youtube.com/user/EternalPtah#p/u/0/a53UOSotyas
I am pretty sure that there is a picture floating around of the factory doing the vic-slims showing a bios screen with the commodore logo on it. But for the life in me I can't find it now.
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Found it. You can see from the pic ,that the Chinese facility dealing with the vic-slim's has provided, the bios displaying the Commodore logo. Which makes me wonder why they have put it on the slims and not the flagship C64X.
(http://www.commodoreusa.net/vicslimproduction/2.jpg)
http://www.commodore-amiga.org/forum/27-commodore-usa/4257-more-photos-from-cusa?limit=15&start=30&lang=en#4443
Maybe thats another thing that will come on the COS 1.X disk lol. :D
Considering how easy this would be to do, you have to wonder why they didn't bother. Or , for that matter, why they didn't use a board with an option to bypass POST messages and display a graphics image instead (then they could have had a very colorful Commodore4 startup screen)
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Considering how easy this would be to do, you have to wonder why they didn't bother. Or , for that matter, why they didn't use a board with an option to bypass POST messages and display a graphics image instead (then they could have had a very colorful Commodore4 startup screen)
You would think that they would, in the very least, want it on the ultimate editions. After all it's $900 worth of computer. I would want Commodore logos flashing at me the moment it start up too.
Every PC I have ever bought came with a fancy logo on boot.
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Yeah, OEM BIOS screens have been near-omnipresent since about 2005, really. It'd be one thing if the demoed machine has just been switched to verbose mode (I do this on all my computers, but then I'm weird like that,) but if they actually didn't even bother...that's just pretty lazy.
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You would think that they would, in the very least, want it on the ultimate editions. After all it's $900 worth of computer. I would want Commodore logos flashing at me the moment it start up too.
Every PC I have ever bought came with a fancy logo on boot.
Yes, I can't think of any name brand PC that I ever seen that didn't have start up logos.
I even had one ASUS P4 board that had an optional splash screen.
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Yeah, OEM BIOS screens have been near-omnipresent since about 2005, really. It'd be one thing if the demoed machine has just been switched to verbose mode (I do this on all my computers, but then I'm weird like that,) but if they actually didn't even bother...that's just pretty lazy.
At the very least, they could have modified the OEM BIOS to include a Commodore USA tag line.
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Yeah, OEM BIOS screens have been near-omnipresent since about 2005, really.
Even earlier than that. I had a packard bell from 93 that had a modified BIOS screen.
But I know what you mean about verbose mode. I run mine in verbose. But the Boot Screen is still there if I want it.
(http://www.uktsupport.co.uk/pb/mb/images/pbbios.gif)
At the very least, they could have modified the OEM BIOS to include a Commodore USA tag line.
Yeah that would have been a little bit of polish. Still not enough to make me want to ever buy one. But just a little bit of polish.
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Even earlier than that. I had a packard bell from 93 that had a modified BIOS screen.
Well, yeah, but as far as I saw they didn't start doing the full-screen bitmaps until some time later (probably didn't want to shell out for the ROM space or something...)
Yeah that would have been a little bit of polish. Still not enough to make me want to ever buy one. But just a little bit of polish.
And that's the weird part - polish (or at least the perception thereof) has been pretty much their entire marketing strategy - "buy it, it's got a nice reproduction case and a nice keyboard!" Quite an oversight, considering...
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And that's the weird part - polish (or at least the perception thereof) has been pretty much their entire marketing strategy - "buy it, it's got a nice reproduction case and a nice keyboard!" Quite an oversight, considering...
Yes, design a really high quality custom keyboard and a pretty well done reproduction case, then slap in a standard motherboard.
Truly an odd decision.
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Just going OT a little for this but...
BIOS is now decades old, which I know is nothing bad because I love my amiga and such, but I am interested in this Coreboot (http://www.coreboot.org/Welcome_to_coreboot) thing. BIOS uses 8086 assembler language, which is a bitch to code for, where coreboot uses C and is easier to code for and make new plugins.
Which, bringing it into top again...
Would make stuff like customizing the boot screen easier. And letting them add the polish they need.
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Just thought. Why are they sending disks with the OS on for you to install. Have they never heard of ghosting?
Even if they can't afford Norton then there is free alternatives.
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I am pretty sure that there is a picture floating around of the factory doing the vic-slims showing a bios screen with the commodore logo on it. But for the life in me I can't find it now.
===Edit===
Found it. You can see from the pic ,that the Chinese facility dealing with the vic-slim's has provided, the bios displaying the Commodore logo. Which makes me wonder why they have put it on the slims and not the flagship C64X.
Maybe thats another thing that will come on the COS 1.X disk lol. :D
If I was a real cynic, I might suggest that their picture was a mock-up or perhaps they asked someone to produce a graphical BIOS, asked for pictures of the work and then refused to pay for it. :)
Alternatively, perhaps the current boards were made in that huge German plant several years ago and don't have the new BIOS that the 100,000 boards from the Chinese plant have been fitted with.
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Maybe the more expensive models use a different mobo who's default bios gives no option to change the post pic, whereas the cheaper versions do contain a bios whos picture is easily changeable. I may be mistaken of course, but minus the case they so far seem to have done nothing that doesnt use pre-existing hard/soft ware.
Slightly off topic, but my old amithlon box had the option to change boot pic/splash screen/whatever you want to call it. Was quite cool. I took a picture of my desktop (minus Amidock and icons) and used that. Would get a pic of my system as soon as I turned on the pc and 10-15 seconds later the icons, mouse and dock would appear, indicating the system was ready to go :)
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Slightly off topic, but my old amithlon box had the option to change boot pic/splash screen/whatever you want to call it. Was quite cool. I took a picture of my desktop (minus Amidock and icons) and used that. Would get a pic of my system as soon as I turned on the pc and 10-15 seconds later the icons, mouse and dock would appear, indicating the system was ready to go :)
Heh, nice :D
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I wish I could cut and paste that onto the "About Us" section of the C-USA website......
OWNED!
Spihunter 1 - Bazza 0
By the way, my netbook has the same overall specs than the basic C64X model, and it costed less than 400$
... And, ehem... It has screen, battery, and only 10" size, enough to carry it everywhere.
There's no way this product can be competitive, on the other hand there's no way it could be called C64.
Somebody should teach these guys from CUSA what was the Commodore 64 Web-it, and why it became a failure.
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The overheating issue is should be looked at properly. several people have voiced their concern over the venting placements. Only for good ol Bazza to launch into replay with
Meat:
Have you done an airflow analysis before posting your comment? Where did you get your degree in thermo dynamics? Have you seen the unit, and have you examined it and taken temps while it was running? And were you trying to be cute with your comment "...did we do any testing?"
There are no heating problems. The temps are well within spec. This is a keyboard computer, not a refrigerator. The units were and have been tested with a variety of motherboards, Since many different motherboards can and will be used with this case, it was critical that proper ventilation/ air flow/ exchange be maintained. The fan sucks air out of the case, creating negative pressure within. The CFM, along with ambient temps, CPU load etc all contribute to the mix, but the most critical factor is that the sum total of the area created by the various openings and slotted vents allow for the unit to run properly. I have units that have been running almost non stop for months. Depending on what they are running, they get warm, they run cool, they get hot, and the fan cycles up and down as it should. There have been no failures of any kind. I have a MacBook Pro that can fry eggs and create red welts on your lap....and that too, is within spec. Computers, laptops, keyboard units...they generate heat. If you wish to eliminate the heat, just place a 40mm x40mm x 10mm fan on top of the CPU heatsink, blowing down, and the temps will drop. Not needed...not required....but if you are that concerned, that is the simple, inexpensive solution.
http://www.commodore-amiga.org/forum/27-commodore-usa/4928-fan-and-different-function-keys?limit=15&start=15&lang=en#5957 (http://www.commodore-amiga.org/forum/27-commodore-usa/4928-fan-and-different-function-keys?limit=15&start=15&lang=en#5957)
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The overheating issue is should be looked at properly. several people have voiced their concern over the venting placements. Only for good ol Bazza to launch into replay with
http://www.commodore-amiga.org/forum/27-commodore-usa/4928-fan-and-different-function-keys?limit=15&start=15&lang=en#5957 (http://www.commodore-amiga.org/forum/27-commodore-usa/4928-fan-and-different-function-keys?limit=15&start=15&lang=en#5957)
It does make you wonder where Bazza got his degree in Thermodynamics. I'm sure he took a 3 year course in it 40 years ago to help him sell furniture.
"Well, you see by placing a large ceiling fan here, it helps to keep the kitchen countertop cool during the warm summer months."
Same principle I guess...
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Must be where he got his customer service skills from too.
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The overheating issue is should be looked at properly. several people have voiced their concern over the venting placements. Only for good ol Bazza to launch into replay with
http://www.commodore-amiga.org/forum/27-commodore-usa/4928-fan-and-different-function-keys?limit=15&start=15&lang=en#5957
Legitimate concerns met by condescending verbal abuse from the head man himself? That's our Barry! No wonder this thing is such a resounding success!
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Must be where he got his customer service skills from too.
LOL. Yeah, "All sales are final and you must have tore a hole in that sofa yourself so I'm not replacing it! What do you mean your recliner won't recline? Too bad, use it as hardback chair instead!"
Actually, does anybody remember The Doom Master's replies on eBay to anybody that left him any negative feedback?
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Errr,... the ION chipset generates much more heat (in fact a lot to a degree some smaller cases have had issues) than the cpu itself. Surely the person behind these c64x's should be aware of that, although if the above quotes are accurate then it seems he's not particularly computer literate.
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Legitimate concerns met by condescending verbal abuse from the head man himself? That's our Barry! No wonder this thing is such a resounding success!
Did you notice how he actually managed to avoid answering the question "Did you do any testing"? Skillfully done.
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Errr,... the ION chipset generates much more heat (in fact a lot to a degree some smaller cases have had issues) than the cpu itself. Surely the person behind these c64x's should be aware of that, although if the above quotes are accurate then it seems he's not particularly computer literate.
This is CUSA we are talking about. Lol :D
Somewhere there is another Bazza special reply about modding a case. But I am tired so I will trawl through the crap after some sleep.
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I rarely post, but I find this discussion interesting.
It appears to me...at least to the perspective of a former Amigan...that this entire moan and complain fest is just another example of the Amiga community (or what is left of it) self destructing.
The CUSA guy came on here some time ago and announced his plans. He was met with the expected cynicism and negativity - and who can blame the Amiga community, after all of the false starts and lies there is no reason to trust anyone. The normal checklist was there...crappy website...check! Delays...Check! Excitement and hyperbole? Check!
Then the inexcusable happened... they delivered exactly what they said they would.
Sure, the C64x is not an Amiga or AmigaOS project...and it is PC hardware running a PC OS...but it is a killer piece of retro design...and a custom case alone is more than anyone else has delivered in AGES.
Were they a bit smug? probably. Obnoxious? I have seen worse. Seriously...the criticisms appear to be hypocritical at times. One criticism in this thread is that the CEO shouldn't be on a message forum defending a product he actually delivered. What makes it so funny is that Bill McFleecy and others were under fire from a lack of communication and failure to deliver. At least the CUSA people are accessible.
Is it overpriced? Maybe. I mean, the custom case design and tooling for limited run production is not free. The closest system I can find on Tigerdirect is an Asus EEPC with an Atom 525, 2 gigs of ram and a 320 gig HD. It has most of the same features as the standard C64x, sans bluetooth, and it comes with win7 32bit. That machine sells for $500. Is it worth $200 more for the custom design and bluetooth? Maybe. If it is worth it to the individual that buys it, then it is worth it.
Maybe the hardware design criticisms are warranted. I cannot comment on that other than to say, complain when yours breaks. I saw less criticism of the bloody AmigaOne that wouldn't boot on arrival. Half of the crap didn't work right. I don't know if they ever fixed the firmware or sound problems. I don't know how hot the C64x runs, but I am sure CUSA tested them thoroughly and made sure that the heat was within acceptable parameters. If not, they will fail in-warranty from everyday use and CUSA will have to foot the repair bills.
Yeah...CUSA has a license from Amiga Inc that lets them put the Amiga name on all kinds of crappy PC products. That sucks a bit...but it would suck less if they did what should have been done ages ago...that is, design a standard platform and work out a way to release it with AmigaOS for X64.
Best case scenario would be if they OWNED Amiga. Then maybe something would get delivered for a change. As it is, there is no way AmigaOS will ever see x86/64.
It would suck a bit less if they were able to release a standardized hardware platform with full driver support for specific configurations...on AROS. Unfortunately, Hype keeps that from happening. When was AmigaOS and quality new hardware supposed to be available under the direction of Hype??? 2004 sounds right if my memory is not failing me! Isn't that just 2 more weeks away?
Now we have the PPC X1000 as a high end model that by the time it is released will be 5 years behind the current generation of x86/64 hardware.
Most of the remaining community (including hype) have made sure that Amiga will be relegated to a novelty computer for hobbyists in much the same way the TRS-80 and Atari machines are now. Other than a few people using them for amateur radio or somesuch mundane task, the Amiga will be a dead stick. The OS might find its way onto a few specialty embedded devices, but there are other operating systems that do the same job, and part of the allure of AmigaOS was the elegance of it; that means nothing in an embedded environment.
Ok, I am off of my soap box. This was me expressing my opinion as a former owner of an A500/2000/2500/3000/4000, with my nicest system being an A4K PPC/060 + CVPPC built to the hilt.
In the current state of Amiga affairs, I will probably never buy another Amiga product...but before I was an Amigan, I had a couple of C64's (breadbox and 64c). I am strongly considering a C64x Ultimate. I know it is a bit pricey, but connected to my 61" Samsung 3D DLP it will make a primo combination Blue Ray + skype + retro gaming platform...and I can stream video and surf the web...with the USB I can use a wireless keyboard/mouse from the sofa...and it will look much cooler on my side table than the tower that is sitting next to the TV now.
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Thanks, AK3One
Great job! As promised, your new CUSA employee ID badge will be waiting for you at the front reception desk, along with your K1 and stock option package. The keys to your new Lexus will be left in the top drawer, along with your health club membership card. And of course, your check is already in the mail.
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@AK3One,
You're spot on... (I'm another who posts only when I really feel the need.)
If you notice, it's the same group of people who seem to be able to do nothing other than piss and moan about C=USA.
Message to you guys: We heard you the first time, so FFS, give it a rest...
Mike.
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Thanks, AK3One
Great job! As promised, your new CUSA employee ID badge will be waiting for you at the front reception desk, along with your K1 and stock option package. The keys to your new Lexus will be left in the top drawer, along with your health club membership card. And of course, your check is already in the mail.
It takes a true anti CUSA zealot to believe that anyone who disagrees with them must be a CUSA employee.
I don't care what CUSA said about your dad during recess. So if you ignore that, CUSA are just another company trying to make money.
If we have to hate every company that charges more than cost for products or delivers late or has design faults then we'd never buy anything from anyone ever.
The only conclusion I can come to is that some people enjoy hating CUSA. I just wish you'd do it somewhere else.
Legitimate concerns met by condescending verbal abuse from the head man himself? That's our Barry! No wonder this thing is such a resounding success!
If all the zealots stopped baiting him then he'd be quiet.
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@A3KOne:
I think you hit several really good points and I'm glad you took the time to explain your thoughts out fully.
The one thing I guess you and I differ on is the state of the community. I know we are a very cautious lot when it comes to announcements and promises of new hardware. We push the envelope to try to find out what is really going on since we have been burned so often with hollow replies and hype.
Most of the valid issues brought up deal with the fact that the C64x isn't anything new. It's just a PC in a custom case. CUSA trying to pass it off as something more is insulting to people and that is what stirs the emotions.
On the other hand, there is a strong, positive following for the FPGA Arcade, Natami and the Minimig. They each are striving to recreate what the Amiga was while trying to create a platform for future development. All of these projects have faced their own firing squads and survived to prove themselves.
If the C64X is cool to you, then go for it! I hope it works great for you and does all you hoped for and more! And who knows, maybe they'll pull an Amithalon and produce a way to perfectly emulate the Amiga w/o an added OS layer. Now THAT would be cool!
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@A3KOne:
Most of the valid issues brought up deal with the fact that the C64x isn't anything new. It's just a PC in a custom case. CUSA trying to pass it off as something more is insulting to people and that is what stirs the emotions.
If you feel insulted then it says more about you than it does about CUSA.
It looks pretty much like a c64. So sitting there it looks retro, but it runs modern software so it has a use.
If it was anything other than a PC in a custom case it would be even more expensive and have less software. To get it cheaper you'd have to use a standard pc case.
A standard case with custom hardware sounds an awful lot like the X1000. I wouldn't buy either, but if I was given the choice of either for free then I'd take the c64x.
I'm fed up with all this passive agressive behaviour. "all we did was bait barry and he got upset". Tough, get over it. If people don't behave like arses and barry still gets upset then ignore him. I don't need to join a hate gang to feel good about myself.
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If only it was that straight forward. Yes, on the surface it appears that simple, but it's not. As for "same group", this is maybe the dozenth post Ive made in regards to c-usa threads across all amiga forums, and Ive definately not droned on about the typical stuff. Yes there are naysayers who go overboard, as there is with all hobbies, but there's more than a few others who are simply computer enthusiasts who have been watching from the sidelines somewhat bemused and occassionally baffled by the trite that various c-usa people have come up with. Yes it's thier business, but that doesnt mean I cant find it funny. Not just "hahha" funny, although there's definately some of that too.
Will I lose sleep over anything C-USA do or say? Absolutely not. Will I maintain my general interest in computers as I have for the last 30 years? Definately, and as such I will fill people in on the farce that Ive witnessed thus far if it comes up. After giving him a few links after he showed me a link he found in regards to the C64x, thinking it was cool, Ive already had a friend say, "sod that, what clowns" (or less friendly words to that effect) . This friend has little interest in the Amiga either, so his decision was based purely on the actions of C-USA.
Long story short, it's taken both "sides", both C-USA and its opposers for things to have gotten as comical as they have.
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I don't think I got the whole point of this post and all the reactions about it.
Why the Amiga community hates Commodore USA?
They're just a HW supplier that were able to build a nice c64 replica x86 case. What's really wrong with that?
Are they using the commodore name illegally? (I really don't know. I'm really asking.)
The Amiga scene, while interestingly active, it's kind of a confusing nowadays:
1) retro guys using the original hw and SW (like many other retro scenes)
2) AOS 4 - new software but they insist that it must only run on exotic hardware, otherwise it is not amiga
3) MorphOS - new software and they're more open to existent HW but constantly being criticized because the HW is too old and/or because it's an apple, not an Amiga.
4) AROS - run on (certain) x86 HW, so, you can try to get those UGLY standard PC cases, add NEON and several FANS to it (to get even uglier) and create an AROS box.
5) Natami - (can't tell too much about this option)
and then you have these guys.
Why they can't recreate the A1200 case, with a full functional "mac compatible" keyboard attached and a kit for disassembling a g4 mini and putting it inside of it?
A MorphOS G4 silent A1200 would be REAAALLLLYY cool.
Best regards,
What's cool about dead end Apple PowerPC box?
You can buy C64x case without the CUSA's x86 motherboard solution.
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Long story short, it's taken both "sides", both C-USA and its opposers for things to have gotten as comical as they have.
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Yeah, I'd have to +1 that.
@psxphill: I'm not quite sure if you understood the meaning of that paragraph. I was commenting on the fact that CUSA is advertising the C64X and its siblings as a full stand alone computers with its own OS and everything. This is untrue. That is what I was talking about.
I'm also confused as to where the "passive aggressive" feelings come from. I really could care less about CUSA. As far as I can remember, I've never said anything against them other then my post a few up from here. I hold no grudge towards them or any of their employees. And I do hope that everyone who DOES buy a C64X gets their money's worth, that's all.
I've watched as threads deteriorate and have noticed that they tend to follow the same pattern. Member A starts post with a thought, some information or news. Members B, C, E and F like it or agree. Members D, G, H don't agree and say so. C and F see their point and say so, A and E don't see their point and say so while B gets mad and says so; usually in a quick, heated message.
The messages about the post become more and more polarized and heated driving the post away from being about sharing information and getting more into emotion. This goes on until someone addresses a poster instead of the post. Now it has become personal and all hints of intellectual are out the window.
This is an exaggeration and simplification combined, I agree. But that is what happens more often than not in these situations. And what's worse is that more often than not the offensive post that starts it all was meant as a joke or a good ribbing, but taken the wrong way.
I just wish people would be more relaxed and not so up at arms with everything. That would snip a lot of A.ORG's issues at the bud.
I hope this better clarifies my views and why I say things. Honestly, I just like to help people out...
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Message to you guys: We heard you the first time, so FFS, give it a rest...
When there are no more active CUSA threads here, I will stop stating my opinion of CUSA. It's a fairly simple proposition.
You can buy C64x case without the CUSA's x86 motherboard solution.
Or you can pay $0-10 for a dead C64 and $45 for a Keyrah and spend the extra $190 on something nice.
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When there are no more active CUSA threads here, I will stop stating my opinion of CUSA. It's a fairly simple proposition.
Or you can pay $0-10 for a dead C64 and $45 for a Keyrah and spend the extra $190 on something nice.
For the vast majority of computer users, this is not a viable solution. The fabrication skills needed to convert a stock C64 case into a case capable of holding a mini-ITX board is considerable...and it will never be as elegant of a solution. Of course, you know that and are just being contrary and argumentative. This argument alone shows what the Amiga community has become. At one time, elegance was appreciated - now a hacked together solution outside of the capability of 95% of all users is proposed as a good alternative.
A quick browse of Tigerdirect (arguably the cheapest retailer top to bottom) reveals that there are a lot of PC cases in the $200 price range without PSU or keyboard. The C64x case/keyboard/card reader chassis is pricey for a plastic kit, but not exorbitantly so given the quantity manufactured.
...and I don't have a dog in this hunt. The suggestion that I am somehow affiliated with CUSA is laughable...Not that I need to validate my opinion, but I am sure there are people on here who remember me as A3K (aka Cocoman) from IRC.
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...and I don't have a dog in this hunt. The suggestion that I am somehow affiliated with CUSA is laughable...Not that I need to validate my opinion, but I am sure there are people on here who remember me as A3K (aka Cocoman) from IRC.
I don't think anyone, appart from Digitex, made the suggestion that you are affiliated with CUSA. I certainly didn't think you were affiliated with them from your post. And I actually really respected your point of view on all of this. And I applaud you for taking the time to post it.
@fishy_fiz
Long story short, it's taken both "sides", both C-USA and its opposers for things to have gotten as comical as they have.
Yup I have to add my +1 to this too.
I know I have taken mickey about CUSA. But it's usually been in response to something that has either been said or done by them.
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For the vast majority of computer users, this is not a viable solution. The fabrication skills needed to convert a stock C64 case into a case capable of holding a mini-ITX board is considerable...and it will never be as elegant of a solution. Of course, you know that and are just being contrary and argumentative. This argument alone shows what the Amiga community has become. At one time, elegance was appreciated - now a hacked together solution outside of the capability of 95% of all users is proposed as a good alternative.
Yes, it is moderately complex to do it yourself. Yes, it's somewhat less than elegant. But it sure as hell isn't $190 worth of inelegance. (And I'm "just being contrary and argumentative?" What kind of insult is that? Are you trying to shame me into agreeing that $250 for a novelty case is totally a good deal? 'Cause that ain't happening.)
A quick browse of Tigerdirect (arguably the cheapest retailer top to bottom) reveals that there are a lot of PC cases in the $200 price range without PSU or keyboard. The C64x case/keyboard/card reader chassis is pricey for a plastic kit, but not exorbitantly so given the quantity manufactured.
People keep bringing up "well, x also exists, and it costs as much or more!" like that means anything at all. $200 cases? $400 keyboards? Of course there's other ridiculously-priced shit out there, Barry isn't even remotely the first person to think of selling overpriced mediocrity to stupid people. That doesn't make it not overpriced.
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When there are no more active CUSA threads here, I will stop stating my opinion of CUSA. It's a fairly simple proposition.
And I won't stop stating my opinion of the anti CUSA zealots.
But it sure as hell isn't $190 worth of inelegance. (And I'm "just being contrary and argumentative?" What kind of insult is that? Are you trying to shame me into agreeing that $250 for a novelty case is totally a good deal? 'Cause that ain't happening.)
If you don't think it's a good deal then don't buy it. Commodore used to make a huge margin on their computers. How do you stop youself from droaning on how big box Amigas were such a bad deal? That includes the X1000.
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And I won't stop stating my opinion of the anti CUSA zealots.
"Then we are decided?"
"Then we are...decided."
If you don't think it's a good deal then don't buy it. Commodore used to make a huge margin on their computers. How do you stop youself from droaning on how big box Amigas were such a bad deal?
Mainly because Commodore is dead and gone, their CEO isn't posting here yammering about how it's totally a reasonable price because he failed to negotiate cheaper parts, and I never bought an Amiga new anyway.
That includes the X1000.
And again: I'm not an X1000 defender. It does, in fact, appear to be comically overpriced, even by PPC standards - I have a G5 Mac that will likely give it a run for its money, which I got in like-new condition for $25, and that's not even the highest-end G5 Mac! The only reason I talk less about the X1000 is because its zealots do less yammering about it.
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The only reason I talk less about the X1000 is because its zealots do less yammering about it.
What you mean is that there is no X1000 news to post, so the anti X1000 zealots can't trash the threads.
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What you mean is that there is no X1000 news to post, so the anti X1000 zealots can't trash the threads.
Possibly. Either way, it's less in-my-face.
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What you mean is that there is no X1000 news to post, so the anti X1000 zealots can't trash the threads.
So anyone who points out one of the following is an Anti-CUSA "zealot"?:
Disney isn't making all-in-one computers, Canadian laptops, fizzy drinks and light bulbs.
Huge retail stores are not selling C64x in the high street.
Units stated as being shipped actually haven't even been manufactured.
Cases claimed to be manufactured were still in the prototype stage.
A brand new OS was actually Linux.
Potential customers get insulted.
Actual customers get insulted.
A $30m advertising campaign doesn't actually exist, in fact, there aren't even any highway billboards in Florida carrying any ads, or online advertising or magazine advertising.
CUSA doesn't actually own a manufacturing plant in China.
CUSA doesn't actually own a shipping facility in China.
A stack of CUSA motherboards ready to ship from China are actually a 2 year old pile of motherboards in Germany.
CUSA's "assembly plant" is a backroom in a Florida shop.
Bazza is a apparently a homophobe.
CUSA takes credit for other people's work.
C64x run hot, were never properly tested and have a major design flaw regarding air flow in the case.
The "top of the range games machine with state of the art graphics" was actually a cheap, low-end PC.
The VIC range isn't a CUSA design, but an off the shelf model produced for several years by a third party.
That the VIC isn't sold at a lost because it is over double the retail price of the actually supplier.
The "Amiga" range of cases are also off-the-shelf designs already on sale by third party distributers.
I could go on and on and on, but apparently I'm not actually entitled to an opinion and I shouldn't be allowed to comment because I'm a "zealot".
If I'm a zealot then you must be a fricking ostrich with your head either stuck up your ass or imbedded firmly in the sand.
Strange how several pro-CUSA posts suddenly appear and we're graced by his Lord & Master(bator) himself. I suspect a quick PM and a link were sent out to the "faithful".
I think we're entitled to take shots at the constant posts that show up even though "we're not the target customers". Especially when we're actually handed loaded guns by Spammy and C-USA insists on painting a large target on itself. The treatment is the same that any company posting here would get. We judge products and actions based on merit. C-USA is apparently the new Merlancia.
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So anyone who points out one of the following is an Anti-CUSA "zealot"?:
(SNIP for space)
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CUSA takes credit for other people's work.
C64x run hot, were never properly tested and have a major design flaw regarding air flow in the case.
The "top of the range games machine with state of the art graphics" was actually a cheap, low-end PC.
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At least CUSA's X86 ITX solution has a competent northbridge, unlike a certain Teron motherboard.
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Regardless of Barry being the jerk he seems to be, I think CUSA has delivered what they have promised, unlike most commodore/amiga-related companies have done in the past decades.
For the ones complaining about it being an expensive piece of underpowered pc hardware, I think you are missing the point. You are paying for a C64 replica on the outside (with something usable inside). The "actual" product is the novelty case; the atom-based board is just a detail. You can buy a bare bones version, without a board, for $250, and put any mini-itx board with the CPU of your choice. (Destroying a real C64, and spending several days hacking it to put a pc inside seems really a poor alternative.)
And I don't think the case is so expensive, considering it is a nice quality custom case/keyboard, produced in low volumes, to be sold for old nerds/collectors like you and me. And I think you all know about economies of scale, since you often use this argument to justify things like a Sam board, which is hardware that can be compared to what the PC manufacturers and apple produced some 10 years ago, being sold today for about U$800 (and that includes only a bare board!).
Btw, what I liked the most was the keyboard. Have you seen that it includes a custom keyboard made of Cherry MX keys? Do you know these are high quality mechanical keys manufactured in Germany, instead of the el-cheapo silicone dome keys used in every keyboard that comes with PCs? Do you know that a PC keyboard with these keys cost U$150, for the keyboard alone??
To end, I just got an idea for an alternative retro system. What about using a C64x case and putting an FPGA-Arcade inside? As you may know, the FPGA-Arcade is/will be delivered as a mini-itx board, able to emulate most retro systems in its FPGA, including the Amiga, without using any lame PC hardware, and runs fan-less.
Yes, it is moderately complex to do it yourself. Yes, it's somewhat less than elegant. But it sure as hell isn't $190 worth of inelegance. (And I'm "just being contrary and argumentative?" What kind of insult is that? Are you trying to shame me into agreeing that $250 for a novelty case is totally a good deal? 'Cause that ain't happening.)
People keep bringing up "well, x also exists, and it costs as much or more!" like that means anything at all. $200 cases? $400 keyboards? Of course there's other ridiculously-priced shit out there, Barry isn't even remotely the first person to think of selling overpriced mediocrity to stupid people. That doesn't make it not overpriced.
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At least CUSA's X86 ITX solution has a competent northbridge, unlike a certain Teron motherboard.
So do all 4 of my PCs and all 2 of my Macs. What makes it such a big deal that CUSA were able to do it using a standard x86 board?
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So do all 4 of my PCs and all 2 of my Macs. What makes it such a big deal that CUSA were able to do it using a standard x86 board?
The C64x is fully working, and didn't need 3 years+ to reach the customer. But you're right, that's no big deal... The big deal is how long it takes for anyone to produce a partially working PPC-based underpowered motherboard compared to the time it takes to put a fully working x86 motherboard to the market...
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... Which is nothing to do with the C64x.
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... Which is nothing to do with the C64x.
True, C=USA is just struggling to get all products shipped to existing pre-orders. I think that is what truly annoys the anti-C=USA trolls, success.
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Now dammy, we both know it isn't the success of CUSA that is getting so many people up at arms. I would say what it is but Darrin already said it so well that I don't want to waste the space by repeating it.
I still stand by what I've said. If you really want to spend money on it and you think it is worth it to you, go for it! But it isn't for me. I guess there are others who feel that way and are a bit more agitated about the flood of messages for every little new thing they do.
I'm just glad they stopped short of telling us when the go poo. :D
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True, C=USA is just struggling to get all products shipped to existing pre-orders.
There is still no logical answer (to me) about why only the most expensive model (ultimate) is being shipped.
If this was about just catching up, then the earliest orders placed would have been filled, imo. In fact, you indicated that would be the process (FIFO). Clearly, from reading the posts on Commodore-Amiga.org, this is not the case.
source (http://www.commodore-amiga.org/en/forum/27-commodore-usa/5072-re-shipment-begins?limit=15&start=210#6069)
Typical concern "I'm going to be getting one of the middle price units with the wifi but really want to see when others receive their non ultimate units before ordering."
To the casual observer, putting 2+2 together this looks like either a continued supply shortage (already posted by Barry) or a manpower shortage. If you enjoy the success I believe is possible particularly from the Mike Commodore connection (regardless of how deep the connection runs), then you can see how this will put a greater strain on what is obviously already a strained operation currently.
Feel free to correct me if you think my surface analysis is incorrect.
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Number6, your knowledge, wisdom and ability to craw logical conclutions has been noted. You have been wieghed and found worthy of promotion. You are no longer number6...
YOU ARE NUMBER 2!!!!!!!!!
Now get back to running this madhouse...:lol:
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There is still no logical answer (to me) about why only the most expensive model (ultimate) is being shipped.
If this was about just catching up, then the earliest orders placed would have been filled, imo. In fact, you indicated that would be the process (FIFO). Clearly, from reading the posts on Commodore-Amiga.org, this is not the case.
source (http://www.commodore-amiga.org/en/forum/27-commodore-usa/5072-re-shipment-begins?limit=15&start=210#6069)
"I talked with Barry. He said this was a combo of factors: order-date, model and actually even zipcode! He said he expects to "catch up" in about 2 weeks. "
Not with the two weeks again...!
Ok, Is this proof enough that CUSA is Amiga related?
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"I talked with Barry. He said this was a combo of factors: order-date, model and actually even zipcode! He said he expects to "catch up" in about 2 weeks. "
Not with the two weeks again...!
Ok, Is this proof enough that CUSA is Amiga related?
Letting a user try to explain the delays as related in either a phone call or written word from the company, as opposed to the company actually making a statement directly to their supporters...also not a route I would have taken.
*shrug*
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True, C=USA is just struggling to get all products shipped to existing pre-orders. I think that is what truly annoys the anti-C=USA trolls, success.
How can you be struggling to fill a handfull of orders when you claim to have 100,000+ units boxed and read to ship since 3 months ago? This gets really confusing. Have you decided whether to include that mouse yet or does that depend on whether or not Walmart have run out?
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There is still no logical answer (to me) about why only the most expensive model (ultimate) is being shipped.
If this was about just catching up, then the earliest orders placed would have been filled, imo. In fact, you indicated that would be the process (FIFO). Clearly, from reading the posts on Commodore-Amiga.org, this is not the case.
source (http://www.commodore-amiga.org/en/forum/27-commodore-usa/5072-re-shipment-begins?limit=15&start=210#6069)
Typical concern "I'm going to be getting one of the middle price units with the wifi but really want to see when others receive their non ultimate units before ordering."
To the casual observer, putting 2+2 together this looks like either a continued supply shortage (already posted by Barry) or a manpower shortage. If you enjoy the success I believe is possible particularly from the Mike Commodore connection (regardless of how deep the connection runs), then you can see how this will put a greater strain on what is obviously already a strained operation currently.
Feel free to correct me if you think my surface analysis is incorrect.
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I'm amazed that "ZIP code" is a factor. Once an order has been boxed up and taken to UPS/FEDEX/USPO then who cares what the ZIP code is? Hell, you just hand it over and let the postal company deal with that, especially when the customer has paid for the shipping when they ordered the product.
The fact is that an "Ultimate" manchine whill have the biggest mark-up, so it appears that C-USA are doing the rather unethical thing of shipping orders to customers based not on order date, but on which order lines makes them the most money, which is a rather strange priority for a company claiming to have a $30,000,000 advertising budget (which apart from the DVD insert appears to have not been spent).
It is all very, very strange, but then I don't have a degree in thermodynamics.
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How can you be struggling to fill a handfull of orders when you claim to have 100,000+ units boxed and read to ship since 3 months ago? This gets really confusing. Have you decided whether to include that mouse yet or does that depend on whether or not Walmart have run out?
Wow, can you distort things even more then that? Or should I dare to ask if you are capable of being even more of a troll then you are now?
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"We can only make a couple hundred of these pieces of junk before our molds break, better sell them to the highest bidders while we can!"
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Wow, can you distort things even more then that? Or should I dare to ask if you are capable of being even more of a troll then you are now?
It is amazing Spammy how you have never once managed to honestly address a single concern raised over several months. Easier to call people "trolls" and "zealots" eh?
Got any more factory pics for us?
Here's one for you:
"C64x computers boxed and being shipped to waiting customers in Alaska and Hawaii":
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b134/darrin01311/r.jpg)
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I think that is what truly annoys the anti-C=USA trolls, success.
The sad part is that you actually believe that.......
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Hell Dammny, while we're at it, explain this:
If the factory photographs of the motherboards was an "honest mistake" by your secret agent in China then where are the real photographs? Your agent has had over a month to get someone to take out a camera and take some "real" pics, email them to Bazza, who could email them to you and then you could post them. So, where are they? No cameras in China? Or more likely, no motherboards.
Let's assume your excuse will be that they have all been shipped to the USA and are in cases ready to ship. Can we have some pics of those please? When I say pics, I mean pics of tens of thousands of machines all together and not a close-up of a metal stand with a few empty boxes on shelves.
As you have been shipping these orders then surely we have pictures of someone with C-USA dropping off hundreds of units at FEDEX/UPS/USPS from the back of a van or loading them toto their trucks from the back of your "assembly plant" in Florida? Or are you just transporting them one at a time using the trunk of a car?
Honest questions. Honest answers please.
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The sad part is that you actually believe that.......
The sad thing is that I think The Daddy shipped more Minimig v1.1 cases than C-USA has shipped 64x's so far.
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Oh, and one last question before I head off to work:
Spammy, where are the reviews and pictures of your personal working 64x? Surely you have ordered one? Surely someone who has done so much for C-USA (Spammy threads, posting false pictures, making false statements) would have been one of the priority shipments?
I'd like to read a review from a trustworthy source, so I'm waiting with baited breath for a long, details report from an honest and reliable gentleman, respected and in good standing within the community such as yourself. Any chance?
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Regardless of Barry being the jerk he seems to be, I think CUSA has delivered what they have promised, unlike most commodore/amiga-related companies have done in the past decades.
People keep saying this like it's some magical accomplishment. If a hobo spent a year screaming at me on the streetcorner about how he was going to sell his terrible chalk drawings for $1000 and then a year later turned out to actually be selling his terrible chalk drawings for $1000, that wouldn't change the fact that they're terrible, or that he spent a year screaming at me about it.
And I don't think the case is so expensive, considering it is a nice quality custom case/keyboard, produced in low volumes, to be sold for old nerds/collectors like you and me. And I think you all know about economies of scale, since you often use this argument to justify things like a Sam board, which is hardware that can be compared to what the PC manufacturers and apple produced some 10 years ago, being sold today for about U$800 (and that includes only a bare board!).
First off, criminy! How many times do I need to say it? I'm not a defender, fan, or user of the X1000, the SAM, or other overpriced/underpowered PPC boards. Even if I were a fan of them, I wouldn't be so dense as to claim that the price tag is actually reasonable because it's only meant for a small market. Expensive is expensive, and even if you're okay with something being expensive, it doesn't change that fact.
Btw, what I liked the most was the keyboard. Have you seen that it includes a custom keyboard made of Cherry MX keys? Do you know these are high quality mechanical keys manufactured in Germany, instead of the el-cheapo silicone dome keys used in every keyboard that comes with PCs? Do you know that a PC keyboard with these keys cost U$150, for the keyboard alone??
Yes, people have blathered on about that quite a bit. To which I reply: the widely-acknowledged nicest keyboard ever made, the Model M, can be had new for $80, and I seriously doubt Cherry MX is even $70 nicer, let alone $170.
Spammy, where are the reviews and pictures of your personal working 64x? Surely you have ordered one? Surely someone who has done so much for C-USA (Spammy threads, posting false pictures, making false statements) would have been one of the priority shipments?
No, no, don't you remember? dammy has repeatedly emphasized that he's not at all interested in the C64x, which explains why all he ever posts are shoddy defenses of Barry's behavior and CUSA promo blurbs!
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By the way, here's a fun quote I found in an earlier thread: (http://amiga.org/forums/showpost.php?p=637006&postcount=66)
I said we will be shipping from inventory with no wait by mid summer. We will start shipping the preorders, in the order they were received, by the end of this month.
("This month" being May. :D)
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By the way, here's a fun quote I found in an earlier thread: (http://amiga.org/forums/showpost.php?p=637006&postcount=66)
("This month" being May. :D)
guys, i think we should lay off CUSA at this point. it's fairly obvious that barry and perhaps a few workers are assembling the C64x boxen by hand at their florida offices. it's going to take a while to fulfill all of the orders, and shipping those with the highest profit-margins allows them to cover their costs earlier rather than later.
the 'VIC' series is all done overseas, but it looks like the C64x is slapped together from parts ordered from suppliers. until they have the ability to outsource assembly -- like they outsource development of any kind -- you ain't gonna see much in the way of volume. i mean this is all done as cheaply as possible. the manual is a reprint of the ubuntu docs with a one-page addition printed up by a third-party. that's also probably why the much bally-hooed television adverts haven't aired yet.
let's give 'em a break for a while. they aren't fooling people any more, so let's let this one go.
-- eliyahu
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If they can't take the heat, they should never have stomped into the kitchen proclaiming themselves the master chef.
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Credit where credit is due.
Status update (http://www.commodore-amiga.org/forum/27-commodore-usa/6099-updates?lang=en#6099)
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Oh, they've shipped? Great! Now I'm left with only all of my main objections!
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True, C=USA is just struggling to get all products shipped to existing pre-orders. I think that is what truly annoys the anti-C=USA trolls, success.
I can't speak for the trolls but I will speak for the average person here.
What truly annoys us is the lack of acceptance for some of the genuine grievances people have with the way CUSA and their fanboys have presented their business, and the way they have conducted themselves in the public eye.
CUSA are not blameless when it comes to the aggravation on this site and elsewhere.
Not all negative comments are a result of bitterness, anti cusa trolling, fanboyism for AOS3/4/AROS/MOS/Natami or whatever.
A bit more honesty, humility and respect for others from now on, would go a long way to repairing some of the damage already done.
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The sad thing is that I think The Daddy shipped more Minimig v1.1 cases than C-USA has shipped 64x's so far.
I don't think so:
http://www.commodore-amiga.org/forum/27-commodore-usa/6099-updates?lang=en#6099
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Dammy, you do realize that that post has already been posted already on this thread and that the original poster of that post posted it possibly more positive then you...
I love Alliteration, don't you?:roflmao:
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Numbers then, Dammy - otherwise you're talking out of your hindquarters again and 9 of the damned things might have been shipped.
Having some heat problems with them, I see. Was reading the one fellow had to tear his apart and install better/additional fans in his, which is when his wireless networking started to work reliably. So much for that warranty. Not sure if that was before or after he had to use a notebook cooler stand to cool the thing down.
http://www.commodore-amiga.org/forum/7-commodore-os-configuration-and-themes/5631-c64x-configuration-a-debugging?limit=15&start=45&lang=en#6079
quote: "Coretemp reporting idle temperatures of nearly 190F"
Getting close on the temp cap there: http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/Atom/Intel-Atom%20D525%20AU80610006225AA.html
100c being 212f
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So a few handful of sub par Atom processor C64 replica case machines have finally shipped from a small office facility in FL. Why is this news again?
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So a few handful of sub par Atom processor C64 replica case machines have finally shipped from a small office facility in FL. Why is this news again?
I don't think you understand the volume they are shipping out. They had excess of 40,000 pre-order sales that will all be shipped by end of the month. Once COS 1.x is out the door, I suspect we will be hearing more about their new Commodore Amiga series. I certainly hope by November we hear what COS 2.x series is going to be and it's roadmap.
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I don't think you understand the volume they are shipping out. They had excess of 40,000 pre-order sales that will all be shipped by end of the month. Once COS 1.x is out the door, I suspect we will be hearing more about their new Commodore Amiga series. I certainly hope by November we hear what COS 2.x series is going to be and it's roadmap.
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Talk is cheap, where is the proof that 40,000 machines were sold? Please don't say the fake pictures from China.
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... What IS COS?!?!? Or even COS 1.X? I've seen the name splashed around and that it is a skinned Linux distro. Is 2.x an Amiga themed skin instead of a C64 themed skin?
What is the big deal about COS? I asked you this before and you completely ignored me...:(
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There's no point in asking Dammy for a straight answer cos you'll never get one... ;)
You see even though I believe Dammy knows enough about CUSA to actually tell the real facts and figures he never will reveal this for the simple fact that all the stuff he's posted in the past year (while some of it has probably been based on fact) has been twisted and shaped in Dammy warped mind to suit what he thinks would be best to tell the world... :)
The stuff Dammy's been posting for nearly a year now is so bent out of shape that he cannot answer a straight question as he would lose face if he just came clean and admitted the facts as they really are. Unfortunately in Dammy's mind these so called facts and figures are now reality to him and nothing anyone says will convince the poor sod otherwise... :)
The whole CUSA thing has now been and gone, it's over they produced nothing more than a plastic replica case of the old C64 sold a few and now just like me the media and the rest of world just don't care about CUSA or anything they do any longer... :)
CUSA lost big time, apart from all the hype and crap posted on these forums about their great plans, what did they achieve... nothing, nowt, nada, sod all basically... :)
As for their so called Amiga range well that'll just be a bigger flop than the C64x, they've already lost that one before it's even started, I mean what happened to the "Were making the new Workbench 5.0 like it or else" crap, again simple they couldn't and can't nor can they even use the name Workbench... :)
Face it Dammy the hype & BS is over, CUSA failed big time and in another years time they will be no more, perhaps it's time to start looking for the next big thing to champion cos the great CUSA RollerCoaster ride has peaked and it's all downhill from here, next stop the dodgems... ;)
I'll give CUSA & you this much Dammy you sure did try and convince the world that all this was real and the next big thing and well done for at least giving it a go with a passion, but it's yesterdays news now and all the posts in the world aint gonna change that and if the Amiga stuff comes along then it would be simpler just to re-run these threads and swap C64x for Amigax in the thread titles... :)
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I don't think you understand the volume they are shipping out. They had excess of 40,000 pre-order sales that will all be shipped by end of the month. Once COS 1.x is out the door, I suspect we will be hearing more about their new Commodore Amiga series. I certainly hope by November we hear what COS 2.x series is going to be and it's roadmap.
See, this would be a lot easier to swallow if we hadn't had you, sir, spouting dozens of continually-shifting dates and numbers long before any of even the units we've seen to exist were manufactured or shipped. You're about as reliable an indicator as a calendar, a dart, and a pair of dice.
quote: "Coretemp reporting idle temperatures of nearly 190F"
Getting close on the temp cap there: http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/Atom/Intel-Atom%20D525%20AU80610006225AA.html
100c being 212f
"Introducing the new Commodore 64! Not only does it provide moderately okay performance for high-mid-range prices, you can also fry an egg on it!"
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... What IS COS?!?!? Or even COS 1.X? I've seen the name splashed around and that it is a skinned Linux distro. Is 2.x an Amiga themed skin instead of a C64 themed skin?
What is the big deal about COS? I asked you this before and you completely ignored me...:(
'commodore' OS is ubuntu with every free software package they can possibly throw in. it also has custom icon, wallpaper, and GTK theme changes.
that's it.
and 'commodore' OS 2.0 will not be anything special, either. no AROS, no L4, no QNX, no nothing. hell, a bunch of the changes are being done by their 'CTO' for goodness sakes.
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we've seen claims of huge sales, 10.000s strong, big-box retail outlets, etc., etc. a company that has that kind of sales and supply chain does not hand-assemble computers from a low-rent space in a commercial zone in florida. i try to give randy, bazza, and the rest some 'benefit of the doubt,' but the never-ending chain of bollocks, bluster, and bull just keeps adding up (http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=33858&forum=17&start=220&viewmode=flat&order=0#620828).
when the C64x appears in best buy, i'll believe it. maybe. :lol:
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I don't think so:
http://www.commodore-amiga.org/forum/27-commodore-usa/6099-updates?lang=en#6099
Hmm... let me see...
C64 BAREBONES: ALL BEEN SHIPPED.
Empty cases? That was eay. How many?
C64 ULTIMATES ALL HAVE BEEN SHIPPED.,There are still a few Ultimates in the pipeline, some of which were delayed due to incorrect addresses, issues with payment. customer changes, etc, BUT 99% HAVE BEEN SHIPPED.
Blaming the customers again! How many?
C64 BASIC: APPROX 30% SHIPPED, ALL WILL BE SHIPPED BY END OF NEXT WEEK (7/222/11)
30% of how many?
C64 STANDARD & DELUXE ARE IN PRODUCTION NOW, AND SHOULD ALL SHIP BY THE END OF THE MONTH.
Weren't they already produced, boxed and shipped from that factory in China a month ago? How many?
VIC SLIM STATUS: All VIC SLIIM units have been shipped.
LOL. Easy when they come pre-assembled from someone else. How many?
VIC PRO: Most VIC Pro units have been shipped for orders received through July 3rd. There are a handful of orders still outstanding, and ALL VIC PRO ORDERS RECEIVED UP TO TODAY WILL BE SHIPPED BY THEND OF THIS MONTH.
See above. How many?
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Face it Dammy the hype & BS is over, CUSA failed big time and in another years time they will be no more, perhaps it's time to start looking for the next big thing to champion cos the great CUSA RollerCoaster ride has peaked and it's all downhill from here, next stop the dodgems... ;)
I'll give CUSA & you this much Dammy you sure did try and convince the world that all this was real and the next big thing and well done for at least giving it a go with a passion, but it's yesterdays news now and all the posts in the world aint gonna change that and if the Amiga stuff comes along then it would be simpler just to re-run these threads and swap C64x for Amigax in the thread titles... :)
actually it probably has been successful. bazza's gonna make money out of this, and that's all he cares about. everything he's said over the past year shows his idea of success is monetary, nothing more or less.
and the C64x has been a nice creation. they could have skimped on the details, like the keyboard, but they didn't. and that's not too bad.
i think where their mouths (http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=33858&forum=17&start=220&viewmode=flat&order=0#620828) got them in trouble was suggesting they were more than a fly-by-night operation of three guys trying to shift cheap, chinese tat. slapping a sticker on a case, shoving components into it that you had no design input into, and marking it up, does not an amiga make. no matter what flavor of amiga you follow, that ain't it.
let bazza make his money. we'll go on with our hobby. spammy's posts are about as relevant as someone who is a packard bell aficionado posting about his resurrected brand around here. i don't think he gets it: no one gives a flying [redacted]. since he's only doing it to wind people up, he should just stick to the sewer at moobunny.
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I don't think you understand the volume they are shipping out. They had excess of 40,000 pre-order sales that will all be shipped by end of the month. Once COS 1.x is out the door, I suspect we will be hearing more about their new Commodore Amiga series. I certainly hope by November we hear what COS 2.x series is going to be and it's roadmap.
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If you mean "Linux" then say "Linux".
"New" Amiga series? Those cases have been available for years from other resellers. Hardly "new".
Any chance of a good motherboard this time?
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actually it probably has been successful. bazza's gonna make money out of this, and that's all he cares about. everything he's said over the past year shows his idea of success is monetary, nothing more or less.
and the C64x has been a nice creation. they could have skimped on the details, like the keyboard, but they didn't. and that's not too bad.
i think where their mouths (http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=33858&forum=17&start=220&viewmode=flat&order=0#620828) got them in trouble was suggesting they were more than a fly-by-night operation of three guys trying to shift cheap, chinese tat. slapping a sticker on a case, shoving components into it that you had no design input into, and marking it up, does not an amiga make. no matter what flavor of amiga you follow, that ain't it.
let bazza make his money. we'll go on with our hobby. spammy's posts are about as relevant as someone who is a packard bell aficionado posting about his resurrected brand around here. i don't think he gets it: no one gives a flying [redacted]. since he's only doing it to wind people up, he should just stick to the sewer at moobunny.
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Agreed.
If they had been honest and upfront from the start and not tried to erase all of the ongoing efforts from others over the past few years then I think all of us would have been cheering them on. There's nothing wrong with a new Commodore selling new PCs because it is what the old Commodore did and most of us use a PC.
It has been the lousy PR, the lies and the smoke screens that have put people off which is firmly due to Bazza and also to Spammy.
This was one hell of a missed chance. It is a real shame.
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If they can't take the heat, they should never have stomped into the kitchen proclaiming themselves the master chef.
They also opened the oven door and took a huge crap inside and then urinated all over the salad bowl. :D
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i don't think he gets it: no one gives a flying [redacted].
-- eliyahu
No, what a lot of people don't get is that some people actually do find it interesting and it's on topic in this subsection. I find it it interesting and actually come to this site from time to time just to see the announcements because commodore-amiga.org is a pain to navigate.
It would be nice if some folks would stop shitting all over threads about things they obviously don't care for.
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Only thing is, Eliyahu - people are having massive problems with the damned things. Overheating is a common problem, so bad that wireless networking doesn't work and a guy is forced to crack the case, void warranty and put new fans into, as well as run it on a laptop cooling stand.
The things are a goddamned trainwreck for some of these people. A "nice creation" doesn't run at such high core temps, lol.
How's the "Cherry Brand" keyboard when the underside of the case is at 140 degrees?
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If they had been honest and upfront from the start and not tried to erase all of the ongoing efforts from others over the past few years then I think all of us would have been cheering them on.
I wouldn't be cheering them on, but I sure as hell wouldn't be bearing them so much ill will. As I've said before, I didn't come into this with anything against them - it's been the constant arrogance, fudging, and thread-flooding for the past fershlugginer year that put me off them.
It would be nice if some folks would stop shitting all over threads about things they obviously don't care for.
It would be nice if some folks would stop flooding an Amiga forum with dozens of threads about something that's not even Amiga-related and acting like the mere existence of a product is proof that it's the Holy Designated Successor to the legacy of the computer it's dressed as.
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It would be nice if some folks would stop flooding an Amiga forum with dozens of threads about something that's not even Amiga-related and acting like the mere existence of a product is proof that it's the Holy Designated Successor to the legacy of the computer it's dressed as.
Have you read the description of this sub-forum?
" Amiga.org » The "Not Quite Amiga but still computer related category" » Alternative Operating Systems »"
"Alternative Operating Systems This forum is dedicated to discussions of alternatives to the Commodore Amiga Platform, such as Linux distributions, FreeBSD, OpenBSD, and others."
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Yes, and I'm good with that. However, for one thing, a whole lot of these threads have been placed in "Amiga General Chat" or "Amiga News and Community Announcements," because the CUSA zealots want everybody to accept that this is the True Future of Commodore, and were only moved to an appropriate forum when people started asking what the hell they were doing there.
And furthermore, the sheer number of them is just ridiculous. dammy posts new threads every time Barry Altman so much as farts, and other people (like starter of this topic and obvious shill chlamb, who joined one day before posting this and has no other posts than the two in this thread,) have further flooded the forum with this crap.
(I'm not saying that that's a violation of the rules or should be banned, but it is pretty fucking obnoxious.)
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They also opened the oven door and took a huge crap inside and then urinated all over the salad bowl. :D
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You sir, have a lovely turn of phrase :lol:
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Yes, and I'm good with that. However, for one thing, a whole lot of these threads have been placed in "Amiga General Chat" or "Amiga News and Community Announcements," because the CUSA zealots want everybody to accept that this is the True Future of Commodore, and were only moved to an appropriate forum when people started asking what the hell they were doing there.
And furthermore, the sheer number of them is just ridiculous. dammy posts new threads every time Barry Altman so much as farts, and other people (like starter of this topic and obvious shill chlamb, who joined one day before posting this and has no other posts than the two in this thread,) have further flooded the forum with this crap.
(I'm not saying that that's a violation of the rules or should be banned, but it is pretty fucking obnoxious.)
Dammy has created a dozen threads since March-2009 and not all of those had anything to do with CUSA. I visit this place every single day and I just don't see this picture of psychotic CUSA fans shoveling their stuff in everybody's face. You are obsessed with this subject. You are seeing things lurking in the shadows that are not there. It would probably do you some good to step away from it for a while.
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Dammy has created a dozen threads since March-2009 and not all of those had anything to do with CUSA.
I'm sorry, I missed the part where I said that dammy only posts CUSA threads. Oh wait, that was because I never said that.
I visit this place every single day and I just don't see this picture of psychotic CUSA fans shoveling their stuff in everybody's face. You are obsessed with this subject. You are seeing things lurking in the shadows that are not there. It would probably do you some good to step away from it for a while.
Ah, the armchair-psychologist tactic. That's a classic. I could try for that, like suggesting that you're willfully blinding yourself to the faults of CUSA and their followers because you're emotionally invested in their success and unwilling to admit that they might be just another fly-by-night operation doing small-scale brand exploitation and acting like douchebags, for instance.
But really, where would that get us? I'd rather talk about open, observable behavior, like their being just another fly-by-night operation doing small-scale brand exploitation and acting like douchebags. That's much less passive-aggressive.
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I'm sorry, I missed the part where I said that dammy only posts CUSA threads. Oh wait, that was because I never said that.
You're missing the point. You've been claiming the guy is spamming the board with CUSA threads constantly. A dozen threads since March-2009, not all of which had anything to do with CUSA doesn't match your assertion.
Ah, the armchair-psychologist tactic. That's a classic. I could try for that, like suggesting that you're willfully blinding yourself to the faults of CUSA and their followers because you're emotionally invested in their success and unwilling to admit that they might be just another fly-by-night operation doing small-scale brand exploitation and acting like douchebags, for instance.
But really, where would that get us? I'd rather talk about open, observable behavior, like their being just another fly-by-night operation doing small-scale brand exploitation and acting like douchebags. That's much less passive-aggressive.
Pointing out that you are obsessed with CUSA isn't armchair psychology, it's an obvious observation. Grow up kid. Just imagine all the cool stuff you could be accomplishing if you put all that energy into some code.
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Dammy has created a dozen threads since March-2009 and not all of those had anything to do with CUSA. I visit this place every single day and I just don't see this picture of psychotic CUSA fans shoveling their stuff in everybody's face. You are obsessed with this subject. You are seeing things lurking in the shadows that are not there. It would probably do you some good to step away from it for a while.
I agree that maybe there arn't that many CUSA zealots as they claim to be.
I think the real reason why threads are started in General Chat and not in the Other OS section isn't because they are trying to establish CommodoreOS as the future of the Amiga platform but because they don't realise they are doing it. I've done it myself.
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You're missing the point. You've been claiming the guy is spamming the board with CUSA threads constantly. A dozen threads since March-2009, not all of which had anything to do with CUSA doesn't match your assertion.
Okay, let me put it this way: dammy's last non-CUSA thread was this one, (http://amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=56688) in February. Since then, he's had eight threads, seven of which are simply makeshift press releases for the company linking announcements of theirs, and one which was actually split from a thread about classic vs. NG/PPC Amigas, which he tried to derail into a shill for CUSA's announced line of PC boards in vaguely Amiga-like cases. The guy has basically become some kind of volunteer press secretary for them.
Pointing out that you are obsessed with CUSA isn't armchair psychology, it's an obvious observation. Grow up kid. Just imagine all the cool stuff you could be accomplishing if you put all that energy into some code.
Ooh, and now the "I suggest for you to grow up, as you are a child and I am the wise adult" tactic, coupled with the related "what are you doing with your life, sir" tactic. Charming! But I must ask, what are you doing here?
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Okay, let me put it this way: dammy's last non-CUSA thread was this one, (http://amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=56688) in February. Since then, he's had eight threads, seven of which are simply makeshift press releases for the company linking announcements of theirs, and one which was actually split from a thread about classic vs. NG/PPC Amigas, which he tried to derail into a shill for CUSA's announced line of PC boards in vaguely Amiga-like cases. The guy has basically become some kind of volunteer press secretary for them.
Ooh, and now the "I suggest for you to grow up, as you are a child and I am the wise adult" tactic, coupled with the related "what are you doing with your life, sir" tactic. Charming! But I must ask, what are you doing here?
Again, your assertions regarding dammy and the supposed CUSA spamming and shilling and whatever are made of lame and failure, and you continue to spastically foam at the mouth about it. You are obsessed. What am I doing here? I'm informing you that you are obsessed and you are in fact one of the people who is most responsible for CUSA related threads getting bumped to the top of the recently responded to list on the main page. The problem isn't dammy, it's not a hand full of people who have a vague interest in the goings on at Commodore USA, it's you.
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Well that's nice, except for the part where I'm not foaming or even particularily worked-up. In fact, I'm in quite a good mood right now.
Like I said: when there are no more active CUSA topics here, I will stop stating my opinion of CUSA. It's not that complicated a condition.
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I agree that maybe there arn't that many CUSA zealots as they claim to be.
I think the real reason why threads are started in General Chat and not in the Other OS section isn't because they are trying to establish CommodoreOS as the future of the Amiga platform but because they don't realise they are doing it. I've done it myself.
I figured it was just trolling.
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I agree that maybe there arn't that many CUSA zealots as they claim to be.
I think the real reason why threads are started in General Chat and not in the Other OS section isn't because they are trying to establish CommodoreOS as the future of the Amiga platform but because they don't realise they are doing it. I've done it myself.
Who is "they"?
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I figured it was just trolling.
Exactly. I think certain people are using CUSA as just an excuse to troll. Not that i'm complaining or anything...
Who is "they"?
I was talking about the likes of Darrin and Critamine, etc. You take offence to this? The one time i defend you you are offended? I give up...
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Exactly. I think certain people are using CUSA as just an excuse to troll. Not that i'm complaining or anything...
I was talking about the likes of Darrin and Critamine, etc. You take offence to this? The one time i defend you you are offended? I give up...
They're aint no trolling by Darrin or Critanime going on here Kesa, unfortunately you obviously haven't quite got it yet and defend the only person who is guilty of that silly wee made up word "trolling", wisen up Kesa... ;)
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They're aint no trolling by Darrin or Critanime going on here Kesa, unfortunately you obviously haven't quite got it yet and defend the only person who is guilty of that silly wee made up word "trolling", wisen up Kesa... ;)
Damn it you're right. I was only trying to provide an objective outlook to this thread. I tell ya being agnostic is a god given curse (forgive the pun) :(
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Damn it you're right. I was only trying to provide an objective outlook to this thread. I tell ya being agnostic is a god given curse (forgive the pun) :(
I wouldn't worry about it, I'm sure if CUSA ever release any so called "Amiga" products the whole freak show will arise once again only this time it'll be ten times the fun... :)
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Who's trolling what now?
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I was talking about the likes of Darrin and Critamine, etc. You take offence to this? The one time i defend you you are offended? I give up...
Me trolling? I think you need to look up the word.
If I wanted to "troll" then I'd be posting on C=USA's website attempt to stir up trouble. All I do is ask genuine questions, address genuine concerns, take the piss out of half arsed statements and query the lack of professionalism and direction.
Hardly "trolling".
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All I do is ask genuine questions, address genuine concerns, take the piss out of half arsed statements and query the lack of professionalism and direction.
Hardly "trolling".
Of course, and this:
They also opened the oven door and took a huge crap inside and then urinated all over the salad bowl
..fits in which of those categories???
I'm thinking "address general concerns?"
desiv
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if someone peed in my salad bowl I guess I'd have genuine concerns
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if someone peed in my salad bowl I guess I'd have genuine concerns
Exactly. :D
Obviously jokes are "trolling" too, especially when they involve crack whores. :D
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At what point, just so we are clear, does friendly banter become trolling? Just so I know when I am going to say something that could possibly offend someones disposition.
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At what point, just so we are clear, does friendly banter become trolling? Just so I know when I am going to say something that could possibly offend someones disposition.
Well, friendly banter involves being friendly.
So as long as you and CUSA are friendly, GO FOR IT!
You really need this explained?? :)
desiv
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Well, friendly banter involves being friendly.
So as long as you and CUSA are friendly, GO FOR IT!
You really need this explained?? :)
desiv
I consider everyone a friend, until they urinate on my salad. :D
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I consider everyone a friend, until they urinate on my salad. :D
or crapped in your oven.
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I consider everyone a friend, until they urinate on my salad. :D
there's a t-shirt logo opportunity being missed there
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Me trolling? I think you need to look up the word.
If I wanted to "troll" then I'd be posting on C=USA's website attempt to stir up trouble. All I do is ask genuine questions, address genuine concerns, take the piss out of half arsed statements and query the lack of professionalism and direction.
Hardly "trolling".
BULLSHIT!! :roflmao:
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At what point, just so we are clear, does friendly banter become trolling? Just so I know when I am going to say something that could possibly offend someones disposition.
It's like bullying. If you are giving it out then it's funny but if you are receiving it it's not funny. It just depends on what you are on :D
Just remember this philosophy "everyone is a hypocrite" and you can't go wrong :)
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BULLSHIT!! :roflmao:
No thats in the oven :D
It's like bullying. If you are giving it out then it's funny but if you are receiving it it's not funny. It just depends on what you are on :D
Just remember this philosophy "everyone is a hypocrite" and you can't go wrong :)
Roger that. I will avoid anything that looks like it could be perceived as such. So maybe just keep responses to yes, no, maybe and bullshit :D
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BULLSHIT!! :roflmao:
Well, the farmers have been out spreading on the fields.
Just watch the language.
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Who un-banned that scottish fucktard ?
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Who un-banned that scottish fucktard ?
Off topic and the last word I find very offensive. Growing old ?
BTW: I un-banned him weeks ago.
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Exactly. I think certain people are using CUSA as just an excuse to troll.
The "shear number of threads" is only 8 over 20 weeks.
The threads would have been ignored if the trolling hadn't happened.
If anything commodorejohn & darrin are actually promoting CUSA by keeping them on the front page. Sure some people might agree with them, but there are alot of other people reading their posts and will wonder what there problem is.
There will also be people who will see commodorejohns threats of trolling until the CUSA threads stop & decide that they will be stand up to him and post more CUSA threads.
CUSA couldn't afford to pay for the promotion that they are getting. If I didn't keep reminding myself that I can't justify buying a c64x then I'd be more likely to buy one now.
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The "shear number of threads" is only 8 over 20 weeks.
The threads would have been ignored if the trolling hadn't happened.
If anything commodorejohn & darrin are actually promoting CUSA by keeping them on the front page. Sure some people might agree with them, but there are alot of other people reading their posts and will wonder what there problem is.
There will also be people who will see commodorejohns threats of trolling until the CUSA threads stop & decide that they will be stand up to him and post more CUSA threads.
CUSA couldn't afford to pay for the promotion that they are getting. If I didn't keep reminding myself that I can't justify buying a c64x then I'd be more likely to buy one now.
Ah yes, I'm the one promoting C=USA, not Spammy. Gotcha.
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Of course! That's why you and I post press releases every time CUSA covers a single one of the many discrete steps in getting a product to market! Isn't it obvious?
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Of course! That's why you and I post press releases every time CUSA covers a single one of the many discrete steps in getting a product to market! Isn't it obvious?
Exactly. I like the way that he thinks that we keep the threads on the main page when what actually happens is that when one thread drops off then Spammy (as per his contract as C=USA site admin) then makes a single BS post (sometimes including a dodgy pic) to put it back again.
Still, easier to blame us "trolls" I guess. :D
Another way of looking at it is that C=USA staff, wannabees and fanboys want to be able to post half-truths and lies and not have anyone correct them.
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So Darrin, how many post have you and John made in this thread of 19 pages and how many have I posted?
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So Darrin, how many post have you and John made in this thread of 19 pages and how many have I posted?
How many of these threads have I started?
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Exactly. I like the way that he thinks that we keep the threads on the main page when what actually happens is that when one thread drops off then Spammy (as per his contract as C=USA site admin) then makes a single BS post (sometimes including a dodgy pic) to put it back again.
Still, easier to blame us "trolls" I guess. :D
Another way of looking at it is that C=USA staff, wannabees and fanboys want to be able to post half-truths and lies and not have anyone correct them.
~checks contract~ Nope no such clause exists. Dammy is an admin on my site because I trust him.
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zING!!!!
Dang it! My zing zanged too slow and came after the wrong post!!!! :(
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So Darrin, how many post have you and John made in this thread of 19 pages and how many have I posted?
Let's add up how many posts have been made over ALL the threads shall we, and how many threads on C=USA each of us have started?
Then let's add up how many lies you've posted against how many lies I've posted.
Want to tell everyone how many posts I've made on C=USA's webshite?
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~checks contract~ Nope no such clause exists. Dammy is an admin on my site because I trust him.
Suuuuuuuuuure.
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WOW!, Off-topic and hoplessly derailed.
Okay folks, bar is closed. You don't have to go home, but you can't stay here.