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Amiga News and Community Announcements => Amiga News and Community Announcements => Topic started by: amigakit on July 05, 2011, 06:04:48 PM
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The new version of FastATA 1200 (http://amigakit.leamancomputing.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=1052) will shortly be shipping from AmigaKit.com.
FastATA 1200 (http://amigakit.leamancomputing.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=1052) is the most advanced IDE interface for the Amiga 1200
computer, providing up to PIO-5 performance and LBA 48-bit
compatibility.
Continuing AmigaKit's commitment to sponsoring development of Classic
Amiga hardware, Elbox have manufactured a new production run of this
popular IDE interface.
FastATA MK-IV (http://amigakit.leamancomputing.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=1052) is natively supported in the new AmigaOS 4.1 Classic.
It is also compatible with the older AmigaOS 3.0, 3.1, 3.5 and 3.9.
Includes the latest AllegroCDFS v3.6 and ATA3 v10 driver software.
Direct Product Links:
UK Store:
http://amigakit.leamancomputing.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=1052
USA Store:
http://www.amigakit.us/product_info.php?products_id=1052
Europe Store:
http://amigakit.leamancomputing.com/catalog/EUR.php?url=product_info.php?products_id=1052
Canada Store:
http://amigakit.leamancomputing.com/catalog/CAD.php?url=product_info.php?products_id=1052
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The new version of FastATA 1200 (http://amigakit.leamancomputing.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=1052) will shortly be shipping from AmigaKit.com.
FastATA 1200 (http://amigakit.leamancomputing.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=1052) is the most advanced IDE interface for the Amiga 1200
computer, providing up to PIO-5 performance and LBA 48-bit
compatibility.
Continuing AmigaKit's commitment to sponsoring development of Classic
Amiga hardware, Elbox have manufactured a new production run of this
popular IDE interface.
FastATA MK-IV (http://amigakit.leamancomputing.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=1052) is natively supported in the new AmigaOS 4.1 Classic.
It is also compatible with the older AmigaOS 3.0, 3.1, 3.5 and 3.9.
Includes the latest AllegroCDFS v3.6 and ATA3 v10 driver software.
Direct Product Links:
UK Store:
http://amigakit.leamancomputing.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=1052
USA Store:
http://www.amigakit.us/product_info.php?products_id=1052
Europe Store:
http://amigakit.leamancomputing.com/catalog/EUR.php?url=product_info.php?products_id=1052
Canada Store:
http://amigakit.leamancomputing.com/catalog/CAD.php?url=product_info.php?products_id=1052
What perfect timing, I've been looking for a FastATA board on ebay today. Think I'll buy one of these instead. :)
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Fantastic! I'll have one!
AH
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Still no love for the big box Amigas :(
Some of us have money in hand if upgrades became available. Hint, hint...
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Don't forget: last year we funded (at notable expense) the production run of ZorRAM (http://amigakit.leamancomputing.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=958) for big box Amigas. What upgrades are you referring to?
@AppleHammer
Thanks!
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Don't forget: last year we funded (at notable expense) the production run of ZorRAM (http://amigakit.leamancomputing.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=958) for big box Amigas. What upgrades are you referring to?
I think he means he would like a FastATA for A4000.
I wouldn't mind having one for mine too.
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I think he means he would like a FastATA for A4000.
I wouldn't mind having one for mine too.
The Elbox shop on their website seem to have it in stock. I've ordered stuff directly from Elbox in the past (graphics card for the Mediator and an upgrade ROM for my older FastATA4000).
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I will make some inquiries to see if we can get some FastATA 4000
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Yeah, I'm not too concerned with RAM at the moment, my main needs are CPU, drive controllers and flicker fixer, although once those are taken care of the Zoram is on the wishlist as well. I'm the guy that's about to buy a new GVP 060 despite the gotchas just because it's available as a new refurb...
@Darrin: I've had hit and miss luck with direct to the manufacturer, but if ElBox is responsive I'll have to check it out. I want a Mediator CD anyway.
Sorry to sidetrack the thread...
How has this controller worked out for others? How about the 4000 version?
On paper it sounds good and although I'd like DMA, at least it wouldn't hang up my Deneb like my 4000T SCSI does.
Edit: I will wait a bit to see if the card shows up on AmigaKit.
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How has this controller worked out for others? How about the 4000 version?
I've used the FastATA4000 with my towered A4000D for some time, although when used in conjunction with my Mediator board and Deneb, I started getting some issues and had to use my Deneb in Z2 mode (I'm still not sure whether it is a result of the Mediator, Deneb or FastATA). My FPGA Amigas have delayed me putting my A4000 together again (I stripped out all of the boards, rearranged the drives by fitting 2 removable bays and a CF Card reader). I need to do the new firmware update to the Deneb which I hope will fix the Z2 Mode problem and I've put together a ClassicWB 3.9 installation using PFS3 with WinUAE which I need to test.
My only advice when using the FastATA4000 is to test the different modes first before saving them.
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As a matter of interest and apart from maybe not physically fitting, would a FastATA1200 work in and Amiga 600 ?
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Has anyone shown interest in developing some SATA products for the Amiga?
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We offer a SATA IDE adapter (http://amigakit.leamancomputing.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=1052#configure) with the FastATA 1200 MKIV as a product option
I have one on my A1200 with a 2TB Sata hard disk hooked up- it works well.
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The new version of FastATA 1200 (http://amigakit.leamancomputing.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=1052) will shortly be shipping from AmigaKit.com.
FastATA 1200 (http://amigakit.leamancomputing.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=1052) is the most advanced IDE interface for the Amiga 1200
computer, providing up to PIO-5 performance and LBA 48-bit
compatibility.
Continuing AmigaKit's commitment to sponsoring development of Classic
Amiga hardware, Elbox have manufactured a new production run of this
popular IDE interface.
FastATA MK-IV (http://amigakit.leamancomputing.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=1052) is natively supported in the new AmigaOS 4.1 Classic.
It is also compatible with the older AmigaOS 3.0, 3.1, 3.5 and 3.9.
Includes the latest AllegroCDFS v3.6 and ATA3 v10 driver software.
Direct Product Links:
UK Store:
http://amigakit.leamancomputing.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=1052
USA Store:
http://www.amigakit.us/product_info.php?products_id=1052
Europe Store:
http://amigakit.leamancomputing.com/catalog/EUR.php?url=product_info.php?products_id=1052
Canada Store:
http://amigakit.leamancomputing.com/catalog/CAD.php?url=product_info.php?products_id=1052
Any chance of a DMA version?? my Z3 fastlane does DMA. Would be far better thnan maxing out the CPU for data transfers
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I was also going to ask if you would be getting any ZIII versions in but I just looked at the prices for those and Ijust don't have the $$$ for that. :(
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On paper it sounds good and although I'd like DMA, at least it wouldn't hang up my Deneb like my 4000T SCSI does.
Your A4000T scsi should never hang your machine with Deneb in PIO mode. You'd better get an scsi-ide adapter. Perhaps your cabling is bad, your sync/async mode is bad, the scsi chain is badly configured or your A4000T psu connector is broken but in a perfectly sane A4000T you won't have that problem
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Your A4000T scsi should never hang your machine with Deneb in PIO mode. You'd better get an scsi-ide adapter. Perhaps your cabling is bad, your sync/async mode is bad, the scsi chain is badly configured or your A4000T psu connector is broken but in a perfectly sane A4000T you won't have that problem
I know I have to run it in PIO, but I'm not happy about it.
If I had the option, I'd disable the 4000T SCSI and let the Deneb do DMA instead. At least I can buy new fast USB devices locally, SCSI adapters and drives are rare these days.
The lack of DMA in the FastATA 4000 is almost a feature in certain configurations.
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I know I have to run it in PIO, but I'm not happy about it.
If I had the option, I'd disable the 4000T SCSI and let the Deneb do DMA instead. At least I can buy new fast USB devices locally, SCSI adapters and drives are rare these days.
The lack of DMA in the FastATA 4000 is almost a feature in certain configurations.
In my experience with Classics, Deneb, and DMA vs. PIO, you really don't gain much by using the Deneb in DMA mode. When you are driving these devices so fast on the Classic systems your CPU is still being used quite a bit and DMA vs. PIO is about a 5% difference in CPU usage.
It's a general lack of CPU horse power and other sub-system slowness (like Zorro III) that are more of an issue. My recent networking tests using a Deneb in DMA mode (OS 3.9) and PIO mode in AmigaOS 4.1 Classic showed only about a 5% drop in CPU usage in DMA mode.
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I know I have to run it in PIO, but I'm not happy about it.
If I had the option, I'd disable the 4000T SCSI and let the Deneb do DMA instead.
There's no option, it won't work.
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In my experience with Classics, Deneb, and DMA vs. PIO, you really don't gain much by using the Deneb in DMA mode. When you are driving these devices so fast on the Classic systems your CPU is still being used quite a bit and DMA vs. PIO is about a 5% difference in CPU usage.
It's a general lack of CPU horse power and other sub-system slowness (like Zorro III) that are more of an issue. My recent networking tests using a Deneb in DMA mode (OS 3.9) and PIO mode in AmigaOS 4.1 Classic showed only about a 5% drop in CPU usage in DMA mode.
erm... amiga networking is probably the worst test you could do to compare DMA vs non-DMA drivers because SANA-II is totally cpu driven. If you want to perform a decent test use an external USB2.0 hard disk, at least the cpu won't have to copy everything everytime.
-edit- moreover, comparing the performance of drivers with the goal of getting some information about DMA vs non-DMA performance is nonsense if you are using OSes with different cpu architecture. Since most people use OS3.x and not OS4.x the interesting test would be comparing DMA vs non-DMA in the same conditions.
If you are going to perform benchmarks of DMA vs non-DMA drivers you should:
1.- Try to use the same conditions:*Same OS version, same cpu, same HD.
2.- You should use something meaningful that uses DMA. Networking doesn't. Use an USB2.0 hard disk for example.
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In my experience with Classics, Deneb, and DMA vs. PIO, you really don't gain much by using the Deneb in DMA mode. When you are driving these devices so fast on the Classic systems your CPU is still being used quite a bit and DMA vs. PIO is about a 5% difference in CPU usage.
It's a general lack of CPU horse power and other sub-system slowness (like Zorro III) that are more of an issue. My recent networking tests using a Deneb in DMA mode (OS 3.9) and PIO mode in AmigaOS 4.1 Classic showed only about a 5% drop in CPU usage in DMA mode.
I cannot provide quantitative results at this moment, but qualitatively I experience a huge difference between PIO and DMA mode on system performance when transferring files to and from USB drives. (Also, USB sound is much better for me under DMA.)
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I cannot provide quantitative results at this moment, but qualitatively I experience a huge difference between PIO and DMA mode on system performance when transferring files to and from USB drives. (Also, USB sound is much better for me under DMA.)
It would be nice to see those test results. I only tested networking devices.
PS - a small hint, TLSFMem helped my system dramatically under AmigaOS 3.9. You might want to test with and without TLSFMem running.
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TLSFMem v1.6 is still buggy with WHDLoad : http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=33790&highlight=whdload+tlsf
4000 USD minimum required for a fix by the author...
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erm... amiga networking is probably the worst test you could do to compare DMA vs non-DMA drivers because SANA-II is totally cpu driven. If you want to perform a decent test use an external USB2.0 hard disk, at least the cpu won't have to copy everything everytime.
-edit- moreover, comparing the performance of drivers with the goal of getting some information about DMA vs non-DMA performance is nonsense if you are using OSes with different cpu architecture. Since most people use OS3.x and not OS4.x the interesting test would be comparing DMA vs non-DMA in the same conditions.
If you are going to perform benchmarks of DMA vs non-DMA drivers you should:
1.- Try to use the same conditions:*Same OS version, same cpu, same HD.
2.- You should use something meaningful that uses DMA. Networking doesn't. Use an USB2.0 hard disk for example.
My goal was to measure RTL 8139 performance vs RTL 8029 performance. It wasn't to test Deneb DMA vs PIO performance, although from the test it is clear that in the case of networking, it really is insignificant.
I can do some tests on hard drive access when I find the time...
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It would be nice to see those test results. I only tested networking devices.
PS - a small hint, TLSFMem helped my system dramatically under AmigaOS 3.9. You might want to test with and without TLSFMem running.
Not sure if I'm using TLSFMem or not, come to think of it, but I will try both and get some results as soon as I have a chance. I'm still in the process of moving stuff around and exorcising 72-pin SIMMs to be banished to the other side of the pond :)
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My goal was to measure RTL 8139 performance vs RTL 8029 performance. It wasn't to test Deneb DMA vs PIO performance, although from the test it is clear that in the case of networking, it really is insignificant.
If the test was performed on a Classic with Mediator you'll probably know that all Mediators lack DMA support and in order to get data from PCI cards that require DMA the cpu always has to access video ram to get the data so in the end everything is moved by the cpu.
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If the test was performed on a Classic with Mediator you'll probably know that all Mediators lack DMA support and in order to get data from PCI cards that require DMA the cpu always has to access video ram to get the data so in the end everything is moved by the cpu.
Yes I am aware of that. The Deneb, however, was set to DMA mode in AmigaOS 3.9. As you pointed out a networking test is not a good test for DMA...I'll do separate testing for hard disk and USB sound cards on the Deneb in DMA vs. PIO in AmigaOS 3.9 and 4.1 Classic.
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If the test was performed on a Classic with Mediator you'll probably know that all Mediators lack DMA support and in order to get data from PCI cards that require DMA the cpu always has to access video ram to get the data so in the end everything is moved by the cpu.
I did a quick test using the updated diskspeed program from Joerg Strohmayer:
AmigaOS 4.1 Classic, Deneb PIO Mode: 3.55 MB/sec, 96% cpu usage
AmigaOS 3.9 BB4, Deneb DMA Mode: 3.866 MB/sec, 41% cpu usage
So you are correct with hard disk transfers - DMA does make a larger difference.
Same disk in the same machine with the same partitions under AmigaOS 4.1 Classic and AmigaOS 3.9, using FFS2 (DOS\07).
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thanks for the test!
Could you please test AmigaOS3.9 BB4 with Deneb in PIO mode just for completeness? :-)
PS: I think you should get higher speed with a CSPPC:
http://www.e3b.de/usb/frame_usb_e.html
I use scsibench for testing HDs http://aminet.net/package/util/moni/SCSIBench
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In my experience with Classics, Deneb, and DMA vs. PIO, you really don't gain much by using the Deneb in DMA mode. When you are driving these devices so fast on the Classic systems your CPU is still being used quite a bit and DMA vs. PIO is about a 5% difference in CPU usage.
It's a general lack of CPU horse power and other sub-system slowness (like Zorro III) that are more of an issue. My recent networking tests using a Deneb in DMA mode (OS 3.9) and PIO mode in AmigaOS 4.1 Classic showed only about a 5% drop in CPU usage in DMA mode.
Huge difference for me on SCSI Vs IDE. 60% almost. oh, and the SCSI is faster copy to and from RAM. consderably.
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I did a quick test using the updated diskspeed program from Joerg Strohmayer:
AmigaOS 4.1 Classic, Deneb PIO Mode: 3.55 MB/sec, 96% cpu usage
AmigaOS 3.9 BB4, Deneb DMA Mode: 3.866 MB/sec, 41% cpu usage
So you are correct with hard disk transfers - DMA does make a larger difference.
Same disk in the same machine with the same partitions under AmigaOS 4.1 Classic and AmigaOS 3.9, using FFS2 (DOS\07).
I was 28% CPU but meh, not a big deal oh and around 6MB a sec but been a while since i re-tested. That was a Z3 Fastlane with Segate 540 MB SCSI2
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FastATA 4000 MKV (http://amigakit.leamancomputing.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=381) is also available for pre-ordering now:
UK:
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US:
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Europe:
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Canada:
http://amigakit.leamancomputing.com/catalog/CAD.php?url=product_info.php?products_id=381
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Is this version of Fast-ATA for A1200 compatible with Lyra KB adapter?
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thanks for the test!
Could you please test AmigaOS3.9 BB4 with Deneb in PIO mode just for completeness? :-)
PS: I think you should get higher speed with a CSPPC:
http://www.e3b.de/usb/frame_usb_e.html
I use scsibench for testing HDs http://aminet.net/package/util/moni/SCSIBench
I've got some new test results up using scsispeed.
http://www.hd-zone.com/2011/07/scsi-and-usb-hard-drive-tests/
Basically under AmigaOS 3.9 you top out at 6MB/sec using the Deneb in DMA mode with a USB 2.0 hard disk attached. Under AmigaOS 4.1 Classic with Deneb in PIO mode you top out at 5.4MB/sec.
With the Cyberstorm PPC SCSI controller and a Barracuda 9.1GB 7200 RPM UW SCSI drive I topped out at 15MB/sec on both AmigaOS 3.9 and 4.1 Classic, with 4.1 Classic coming in significantly higher at lower buffer sizes.
I'll update the test later with the Deneb in PIO Mode on AmigaOS 3.9.
CPU usage results are also there...
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Is this version of Fast-ATA for A1200 compatible with Lyra KB adapter?
Can anyone shed light for this matter please? :)
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It will be compatible if you raise the FastATA with some Kickstart ROM sockets (using them as risers):
http://amigakit.leamancomputing.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=676
Or use the BVision Kit:
http://amigakit.leamancomputing.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=339
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Ok thanks for answer. But will the rom risers destroy compatibility with a Mediator then?
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Which is faster, FastATA 4000 or Buddha IDE?
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Does anyone have a rough idea of when Jens IDEFix-SATA device will be released and how it will compare speed-wise with the FastATA devices?
Depending on the time frame I might hold off on getting a FastATA and wait for the IDEFix-SATA as an one of those+SSD+Indivision MkII+Blizzard/060 would make for a dream A1200 wedge WHDLoad machine. :)
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Does anyone have a rough idea of when Jens IDEFix-SATA device will be released and how it will compare speed-wise with the FastATA devices?
Depending on the time frame I might hold off on getting a FastATA and wait for the IDEFix-SATA as an one of those+SSD+Indivision MkII+Blizzard/060 would make for a dream A1200 wedge WHDLoad machine. :)
Not forgetting to add my currently unused HxC floppy emulator (http://www.lotharek.pl/) and also a Kryoflux (http://www.kryoflux.com/) adapter (My next purchase methinks) to complete the perfect "under the TV machine".
Anyone want to buy a kidney? I have two! ;)
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Stock of the new version of FastATA 1200 MKIV (http://amigakit.leamancomputing.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=1052) in confirmed in transit to us now and will be at AmigaKit.com in a few business days time. Pre-ordering is open at the moment.
We will also receive new stock of Mediator 1200LT4 (http://amigakit.leamancomputing.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=330) and Mediator 1200TX (http://amigakit.leamancomputing.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=789) with this batch.
Ideal upgrades for the new AmigaOS 4.1 Classic (http://amigakit.leamancomputing.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=1035) as well as AmigaOS 3.x
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I'm curious to get an answer if I buy this new Fast-ATA for my A1200 will I be able to use BOTH Mediator & a Lyra KB adapter with it? Because with the older MK-III I was unable to do so.
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Yes this should be possible, you could use one set of sockets to raise the FastATA 1200 then use low profile IDE cables as they will push against the back side of the Mediator. This is the same scenario as the older MK-III. Dimensions of the board have not changed in this new model.
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Stock of the new version of FastATA 1200 MKIV (http://amigakit.leamancomputing.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=1052) has just arrived in the last hour and is now in stock.
We have also received new stock of Mediator 1200LT4 (http://amigakit.leamancomputing.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=330) and Mediator 1200TX (http://amigakit.leamancomputing.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=789) with this batch.
Ideal upgrades for the new AmigaOS 4.1 Classic (http://amigakit.leamancomputing.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=1035) as well as AmigaOS 3.x
All pre-orders will be processed in the next business day.