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Amiga computer related discussion => General chat about Amiga topics => Topic started by: djrikki on June 29, 2011, 11:43:29 AM
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Hello,
So I am guessing the answer is yes. :)
A talented team of Filmmakers are putting together a film documenting the Rise and Fall of the Amiga. They just need a little help with funding. Please read on.
You can make a difference today by pledging a small donation to make this happen.
KickStarter is a well-respected site that helps small projects get off the ground and has backed many 1000s of projects across the globe since its inception in 2009.
This is a unique opportunity to purchase a DVD charting the entire history of the Amiga. There will be familiar faces and interviews shown including the legendary Eric Schwartz; the creator of all those cartoon animations foreinstance Amy the Squirrel and Superfrog you probably watched over and over again when you was in your teens.
This DVD will be both informative and entertaining and will include many exclusive interviews with key figures that made the Amiga possible.
Please visit the URL below and make your pledge today, there is absolutely nothing to lose and everything to gain.
Thank you for reading
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/vivaamiga/viva-amiga-the-documentary-film
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I ordered the DVD and am pretty excited to watch it. I'll be pretty pissed if I loose my money because the goal wasn't reached in time!
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The author claims that he will release another trailer next week - I'm anxious about it...
Anyway here's a clip that probably has slip through the net and that proves that he is still pursuing material an working. It really seems very professional to me...
(http://i2.ytimg.com/vi/IUYsWnN8Lac/default.jpg) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxW_pug4GQg)
YouTube Clip
Check it out! And contribute (if you can)...
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I ordered the DVD and am pretty excited to watch it. I'll be pretty pissed if I loose my money because the goal wasn't reached in time!
This is not how kickstarter works.
"Every Kickstarter project must be fully funded before its time expires or no money changes hands."
It's all or nothing.
See http://www.kickstarter.com/help/faq#AlloFund
Please visit the URL below and make your pledge today, there is absolutely nothing to lose and everything to gain.
First, djrikki, you sound like an infomercial. Be careful. And what you are saying is absolutely not true.
You are risking your pledge that they will deliver the reward promised if the project is funded. There are no kickstarter policies/protections/recourses if this happens. In the FAQ, they mention "powerful social forces" and "being sued" ---- but this isn't like filing for a paypal refund or something.
So saying that there is absolutely nothing to lose is just not correct. Of course there is.
kamiga
P.S. With all this being said, I support the project and will likely pledge something soon. But let's just be honest with what we are saying.
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Please visit the URL below and make your pledge today, there is absolutely nothing to lose and everything to gain.
Thank you for reading
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/vivaamiga/viva-amiga-the-documentary-film
Why would you be interested in this djrikki? You run an OS4-only website and you clearly have no interest in the real Amiga.
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25k up front or it doesn't get made. Why? What's the point of flying this guy out to do interviews? Everybody is contributing to this thing for free according to the project site. Conduct interviews over the net and have folks upload their videos. The whole thing sounds like a massive waste of money.
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@jorkany
I'm afraid you're wrong 'cos it will feature AmigaX1000, Imica, ARES and possibly other NG material - probably in very small doses, but still appearing...
Just check the trailer if you doubt me... Besides no matter what you say, Amiga Classic machines kickstarted this community (and it's trolls)...
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Someone asking for money with no guarantee of delivery? No thanks, this isn't for me.
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@Piru
Why not? It's the official Amiga (TM) way :P
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25k up front or it doesn't get made. Why?
He never said that..
It's 25K and it will be done (IMHO, I trust them) without too much trouble.
If they don't get it, my guess is that they are far enough along with enough great interviews already that something will be delivered.
But if they reach their goal, it will much more likely be a much more polished product.
Everything I buy on the internet is money up front with no "real" guarantee of delivery...
I have more faith in this than in most of my e-bait transactions.. :lol:
I've watched several of the "Mac" documentaries, and think it would be great for us to have one of our own.
desiv
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What was wrong with the other thread on this subject. Was it necessary to make a new one?
DLH
ps - I miss Franko already.
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What was wrong with the other thread on this subject. Was it necessary to make a new one?
Why.. Yes.. Yes it was.. :)
desiv
p.s. thanx for the
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Real Amiga = One That Runs AmigaOS. End of story.
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@ djrikki
let's not turn this Amiga video thread into another red vs blue flame fest.
I think the important thing to note is that both AROS & MOS honour the Amiga spirit as they were/are inspired by the original Amiga and therefore should be represented in the documentary/ history of the Amiga platform.
now back to talking about a film for Amiga fans then:)
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Real Amiga = One That Runs AmigaOS. End of story.
Is an Amiga 1200 a real Amiga?
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I donated and can care less if I loose money on this. Granted I WANT this to happen more than you can believe, and that is why I donated, but if it falls through, then it falls through, but it certainly don't have a chance if no one donates.
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Asking for pre-orders so you can pay for the movie before you've made it is kind of lame. Thats just my opinion. If you want to make a film, it should be on your own dime. No one else does this. But then, this is amiga, so taking pre-orders to fund projects is the norm I guess.
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Guest to site bump
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But then, this is amiga, so taking pre-orders to fund projects is the norm I guess.
I like to call it the "Amiga Dance." It often ends in disappointment!
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i like to call it the "amiga dance." it often ends in disappointment!
we can dance if we want to!
We can leave our funds behind.
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[youtube]7movKfyTBII[/youtube]
;)
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looking over several of the replies here I can see most of you have never heard of KickStarter or understand how it works.
it has nothing to do with Amiga or any Amiga company, so lame jokes are wasted.
I have known several people who have tried to generate money to make their films using this method. The point is that NO ONE loses their money. That is one of the intensives to encourage people to donate.
There is also the fact that this system works around The complicated laws for "INVESTING". The gov in the US has a HUGH number of regulations regarding investing (in this films). The way KickStarter works you are just "buying" something - usually a DVD copy of the film, or dinner with the director, etc.
I think KickStarter is a perfectly acceptable method of generating $$$ for this project and people misunderstanding it is just childish and silly. Grow up. If you like the project, feel free to send a few bucks. that is all.
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I dont know why anyone would take on a project of this size without funding in place FIRST. That my friends is bad producing. If you are making a Commercial project I dont think its fair to hit your target market for donations. If it was some community non profit group that is alltogether different.
@ franko
I thought you were leaving? what kind of nonsense is that, now you really are the village idiot, arent you embarassed? how pathetic
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@ franko
I hoped you were leaving? what kind of nonsense is that (after all I believe everything I read on the net, it's all true you know like when you said you trained your daughter to bring you beer & fags and the pope really is an alien), now I really am the village idiot, arent I embarassed? and pathetic
:roflmao:
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You're 47 years old? How lame can you be? You really need to step away from the computer and find some real life friends and activities. (but you are probably twice as intolerable in real life so maybe not) just go away you saw from your pathetic little thread about leaving that many will be thrilled.
YOU ARE FAR WORSE THAN DOOMY EVERY WAS
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I'm 4.7 years old? How lame can I be? I really need to step away from the computer and find some non imaginary friends and activities. (but I'm probably twice as intolerable in real life so maybe not) just going away I saw from my pathetic little thread about leaving that many will be thrilled.
I"M FAR WORSE THAN DOOMY EVERY WAS
:roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao:
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Franko is this best you can do? I think changing someones quote and simply laughing is pretty lame so I have to side with magnetious on this one. This is the kind of trolling a 5 year old would think is funny. If you are going to troll do it properly.
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If you are going to troll do it properly.
..this statement should be on the top of the Amiga.org banner lately:laughing:
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You're 47 years old? How lame can you be? You really need to step away from the computer and find some real life friends and activities. (but you are probably twice as intolerable in real life so maybe not) just go away you saw from your pathetic little thread about leaving that many will be thrilled.
YOU ARE FAR WORSE THAN DOOMY EVERY WAS
Hi,
@magnetic,
Can't you just say welcome back Franko, amiga.org was really boring without you around.
OOPS!!!
got to remember who I am talking to
The one and only, very famous, never wrong, knows everything about anything, hilarious, glorious, amazing magnetic. Ten time better than doomy would ever be, can insult anyone without a thought, condemns anything Franko says, I would like to present to you magnetic, who banters Franko with out a whim.
Was this good enough a troll kesa?
smerf
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I dont know why anyone would take on a project of this size without funding in place FIRST. That my friends is bad producing. If you are making a Commercial project I dont think its fair to hit your target market for donations. If it was some community non profit group that is alltogether different.
@ franko
I thought you were leaving? what kind of nonsense is that, now you really are the village idiot, arent you embarassed? how pathetic
it's not always possible (or easy) to get funding first....anyway, this is just one method. if it doesn't get the full amount, no one loses a thing. it's just an effort.
in fact, even if it doesn't work This time, the guys doing this project can always try again later.
If they wish.........
and, really, just ignore that other fellow.....you are just playing into his game.
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= Bump =
It's good to have this initiative on the front page now and then...
And as for the projects its pledge and it's donor's it's pretty much discussed.
Each one has it's own views (some more rational than others), but in the end it only really matters are the contents of the documentary, if it ever gets produced...
And hopefully (if it's good) be broadcast in several media (TV and so on...). One can always dream - The imagination is the limit (one of the Amiga's motto's)! ;-)
(http://i2.ytimg.com/vi/myfGt1esA5g/default.jpg)
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/vivaamiga/viva-amiga-the-documentary-film - Go and decide for yourself, but spread the word!
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Bump
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Bump.
OFT: I see A.org is deathly slow again.
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Is the author going to sell this film...? do the donators get a piece of the revenue generated? I've worked paid online videos and you can actually get paid for broadcast in various markets or exclusive deals for broadcast on cable or online sites. Netflix can pick this up... do the contributors get a piece of this action...?
It's just strange... help fund my project and I have full rights to the project and revenue generated in exchange for your donations... It's like getting an investor with whom you wont share revenue with....
I have thought about producing documentaries I get started I lay out the costs involved and see if I can fund it myself. On the one hand documentary costs can add up but asking for funds to complete a movie like this is strange I would just go the investor route...I would not have even started without hte cash on hand to see it through...but that's me... everyones situation is unique.
In this case the donators/ investors look as it they are getting something for the contributions...at any rate good luck to all those invloved. I do think the community is rife for scenarios of folks announcing a project then asking for cash on a project. Can the producer list screen credits or samples of his work? how about a resume? a track record of completed works would be nice.
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In this case the donators/ investors look as it they are getting something for the contributions...at any rate good luck to all those invloved
Hence the difference between donators and investors.
We are donating, and will (if it's fully funded) get a copy of the DVD when is is released.
We are not investing. It's a bit similar to donating to PBS television I suppose. When I do that, I don't expect to profit share. ;-) (Yes, I know PBS is a non-profit and it's not the same. But I look at it that way.)
I do think the community is rife for scenarios of folks announcing a project then asking for cash on a project.
Yes, and this is why "kickstarter" is used. It cuts down on some of that by making sure that the money is returned if they don't reach their funding goal. True. they "could" reach their goal, get the money and still not produce anything, but I doubt it. He already has shown clips and interviews.
My personal opinion, if he gets the money, it will be a fairly well done documentary.
If he doesn't, he will put together what he can and it just won't be at the same level....
He "started" announcing this before he put it on kickstarter, so I think it is going to happen either way, it's just a matter of how much he gets and what that enables him to do with the film.
Can the producer list screen credits or samples of his work? how about a resume? a track record of completed works would be nice.
I'm sure he can. You can ask him. (Probably better luck asking at his website rather than here) And if you would like to be a full "investor," I'm sure he'd love that too.. ;-)
desiv
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Cool thanks for the input on this. Looks good so far. Will buy a copy when it's out and show it around to folks so they know the history. It's especially importqant that the younger generation see where lots of the modern computing features were rolled out mass market with the Amiga. Game developers especially should see this becuase so much early game deve was created on this platform. Also Microsoft openly metioned Amiga style "open" game development when promoting the XNA game dev environment. My point is that those in the know certainly know the contributions the Amiga has made to modern tech.
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Is the author going to sell this film...? do the donators get a piece of the revenue generated? I've worked paid online videos and you can actually get paid for broadcast in various markets or exclusive deals for broadcast on cable or online sites. Netflix can pick this up... do the contributors get a piece of this action...?
It's just strange... help fund my project and I have full rights to the project and revenue generated in exchange for your donations... It's like getting an investor with whom you wont share revenue with....
I have thought about producing documentaries I get started I lay out the costs involved and see if I can fund it myself. On the one hand documentary costs can add up but asking for funds to complete a movie like this is strange I would just go the investor route...I would not have even started without hte cash on hand to see it through...but that's me... everyones situation is unique.
In this case the donators/ investors look as it they are getting something for the contributions...at any rate good luck to all those invloved. I do think the community is rife for scenarios of folks announcing a project then asking for cash on a project. Can the producer list screen credits or samples of his work? how about a resume? a track record of completed works would be nice.
The whole point of KickStarter is to enable budding film makers to fund their projects and produce a piece of work that the backers & more would like to see...
Almost 90% of amateur/ semi pro movie makers are funded by the people through the likes of KickStarter. There is nothing strange about it....
Many box office hits (Trainspotting for example) were funded in this way, it's not about profit or asking folk to back them just to enable them to make a profit (as most of them don't), it's quite simply about backing and encouraging folk to produce something that otherwise would never be seen without backers helping out...
It's just another way for amateur/ semi pro movie makers to generate funding for their projects instead of just relying on family, friends and associates to try and fund these movies...
Surely the Amiga at the very least deserves this documentary to be made to preserve it's illustrious future for the part it has played in the evolution of home computing, after all, apart from the groundbreaking technology it was for it's time you have to remember that a lot of software companies and programers that make stuff for the PC & Mac today got their start on the Amiga and without that start you wouldn't have half the stuff there is today for these other platforms...
If you really think the Amiga's history deserves to be preserved in this way then I urge folk to back this film now, what's a few bucks in the grand scheme of things and if the target is reached and the film produced you can at least feel satisfied & happy knowing that you played a role in making this movie possible... :)
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Surely the Amiga at the very least deserves this documentary to be made to preserve it's illustrious future for the part it has played in the evolution of home computing...
That's what I was thinking..
I was watching a documentary on the Mac on Netflix a few weeks ago or so and enjoying it.
It was a good documentary, and I don't hate the Mac. I actually liked the early Macs, just that the Amiga was better. ;-)
But as I was watching it, I kept thinking that the Amiga needs one of these.
A well-done documentary for people to watch (more than just the interesting but scattered you-tube and other VIDs spread around)....
I'm pulling for them...
desiv
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Well, I just bumped up my pledge by 50%. I really hope this gets made.
By the way, you can increase your pledge if you pledged already by going to the site and clicking the blue "manage your pledge" link.
To answer some of the things in the thread here, they are trying to get funding and this is how they've chosen to do it. No one loses any money. You pledge a certain amount of money that you will have to pay ONLY if the project ends up fully funded.
Why don't they just do the interviews online? I imagine it is because they want a consistency in the product and to guarantee that all the interviews are recorded to a level of quality they want in the end product. You cant add quality to video after the fact. you can only reduce it.
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Shock of all shocks, I'm going to donate. I don't like the part about the X1000, but this is not a time to quibble. If this doesn't get made now it will never be made.
(http://cdn-www.cracked.com/articleimages/wong/topics/PirateShip.jpg)
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Thats an amazing piece of artwork.
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Bump.
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It surely has to better than this:
http://www.switched.com/2008/01/22/a-documentary-on-and-for-mac-addicts/
Because Amiga was the real revolution and true culture shock...
http://www.snagfilms.com/films/title/welcome_to_macintosh/
Because it simply there's no bloat, hype, hypocrisy or bullshit regarding Amiga (at least until recent Amiga Inc years)!...
Go and donate - contribute - pre-order!
Let the world know the real truth behind the Amiga Computer and it's impact on everyone's life!...
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@hardwired
It's scary how well I fit the Mac profile.....
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:bump:
Around $6,500 needs to be found in the next 14 days! Thats another 185 people to pre-order the DVD at $35 that needs to be found, time to ask freinds, family, freinds of freinds, long lost relatives and even strangers to get them order in! :)
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Overdue Bump
Okay the goal has nearly been reached, but of course more donations the better:
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/vivaamiga/viva-amiga-the-documentary-film
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Bump.
$500 to go until goal is reached. But Zach will happy for more. 8 Days to go. Haven't donated yet?
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/vivaamiga/viva-amiga-the-documentary-film
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http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/vivaamiga/viva-amiga-the-documentary-film
2 hours to go, $29,416
Nearly $30,000... who would have thought that uh?
Last chance to pledge.
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http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/vivaamiga/viva-amiga-the-documentary-film
38 minutes to go, $29,556
Nearly $30,000... who would have thought that uh?
Last dying minutes left to make that pledge.
Perhaps you have already pledged and wish to increase it slightly... then go ahead! :)
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Hopefully it will hit $30,000.
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It went it up $150 in the last hour and a half, not bad by any stretch, but I guess it will just fall short of the $30K mark - good all the same - the project will go ahead. :)
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/vivaamiga/viva-amiga-the-documentary-film