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Amiga computer related discussion => General chat about Amiga topics => Topic started by: kickstart on June 22, 2011, 02:53:42 AM
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I read some nice comments about this screenmode with indivision, but its usable with the present 1.5 fw?
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I read some nice comments about this screenmode with indivision, but its usable with the present 1.5 fw?
Last I heard Ratte was waiting for Oliver to do a firmware-update to support it, but so far nothing has happened.
I guess our best hope now is that the Indivision AGA Mrk2 will support it.
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That means no more fw support for the current indivision aga?
That sucks.
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Is this true that they don't support the Mk1 (upgrades I mean)? I don't like when companies punish you for buying their first production run.
I like my Indi but I know I will have to buy a whole new one when the MK2 comes out just because the MK2 will do things that mine can't. Its a shame I was hoping for an update as on some screen modes there is lots of tearing (lack of a better term) and I can't use them.
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Ok wow. NOTHING has been officially put out that the original Indivision AGA will no longer be supported! Jens, of all people, does not work that way.
Please realize that for a one man show, he is doing some amazing stuff. Also, keep in mind that he has several projects going on at the same time.
So, if a firmware update doesn't show up after a while, even a long while, it does NOT equal drop in support...
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@J-Golden
+1
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This guy alone does a lot of very nice hardware stuff for classic Amiga's. He, M. Boehmer and Chris Hodges should have a statue somewhere...
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Perhaps this has given people the impression that Jens won't be supporting the Indivision MK I anymore:
Just a question, there will be any firmware updates for the original Indivision AGA?
There's currently no bug that I'm aware of - no update planned for those units. If you're asking for Graffiti support: Unfortunately, that's impossible with the kind of FPGA used (too small, not enough memory).
Jens
http://eab.abime.net/showpost.php?p=760546&postcount=118
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Perhaps this has given people the impression that Jens won't be supporting the [/FONT][/COLOR]
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Just a question, there will be any firmware updates for the original Indivision
AGA?
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There's currently no bug that I'm aware of - no update planned for those units.
If you're asking for Graffiti support: Unfortunately, that's impossible with the
kind of FPGA used (too small, not enough memory).
Jens
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http://eab.abime.net/showpost.php?p=760546&postcount=118 (http://eab.abime.net/showpost.php?p=760546&postcount=118)
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Does this screenmode need the Graffiti firmware to work?
Still, I wonder what exactly was holding up the screen mode.
I PMed Ratte in hopes to get his input on all this since he seems to be closer to the project them I am.
Regardless, that stinks that the FPGA on the MK-I is too small for the Graffiti core. :(
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I dont think that superplus need any graffity mode, ratte have the superplus working a year ago at least just waiting for a fw, but abbandon of mk1 is cristal clears...
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I dont think that superplus need any graffity mode, ratte have the superplus working a year ago at least just waiting for a fw, but abbandon of mk1 is cristal clears...
Maybe I'm just miss understanding your wording. To me "abandon" means to totally dump and no longer support. It sounds like Jens might just be done doing firmware updates.
That sounds more like he has maxed out it's ability, but it doesn't mean he will no longer support it. It could be that he finds some more useful things while working on "Version 2" that could be put into the original. I can totally see Jens doing a firmware for that.
Back to your point though. If Ratte had superplus working already, then what firmware specific addition was he waiting for? I PMed him earlier so I hope he can pop on and shed some light on this for us.
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When you buy a new car, why doesn't the manufacturer invite you back to have some improvements fitted every once in a while? After all, they should be continually improving the car for your benefit, right? And any improvements they make should be applied to your car for free.
That's just an example of course, but it's similar to what some of you are complaining about. When you buy a product, you are agreeing to purchase it with the specifications it has at the time. The author or company responsible for it is not obligated to offer any continual improvement to that product for you, except of course where the improvement relates to a failure of the product to fully meet its original specification (fixing bugs etc).
If the author/company does manage to offer a free upgrade during the life cycle of the product that enhances its capabilities beyond the original specification, then that's a nice little bonus for you as the customer and you should be greatful for it. But in no way should you be expecting it.
It's only natural that improvements will find their way into a new version of a product - that's how people stay in business.
AH
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that's how people stay in business.
Or, in the case of Amiga related companies, that's how people generate funds for their next project. I think it's fair to say that nobody is going to be counting their millions here...
AH
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@applehammer
Tell it to people that cant purchase another indivision... this is amiga world not a big company.
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@applehammer
Tell it to people that cant purchase another indivision... this is amiga world not a big company.
None is able to purchase new another Indivision AGA. So in fact you are talking about all man kind.
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@stachu100
I just talk in my name but some more people think the same or... I am the only one who thinks its wrong to leave a relatively new product? buying or not buying a new version.
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@AppleHammer
I couldn't have said it better man! (thumbs up)
When Jens released Indivision AGA all that bought it got it for a reason and that reason was VGA output with true AGA support and support for HighGFX modes. I don't think that anyone was let down about the speccs and features that Indy supported back then (end of 2008).
The fact that at some point SuperPlus was announced gave some thoughts and iirc Oliver had to develop a new firmware upgrade for SuperPlus to be supported by Indy @ some point.
Noone from Individual Computers announced that this was feature they were willing to make, so you can't really have any expectations for it from them. If they made such an upgrade then it would have been a nice free bonus for the already happy customers!!!
Ofc and since people's appetite strives for more features, Jens decided to add a bigger FPGA (possibly for Graffiti mode) plus DVI, etc.
Just be happy with what you have, and if you see more stuff, then either invest in new product or if you don't have funds, sell you Indivision and add some funds and get the new one... After all and following AppleHammer's example... that you would have done if you bought a new car that had a little better speccs than the one you got 3 years back...!
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@mfilos: +1
That's perfectly correct! :)
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Hate to say this but the A1200 indivision is ok but not great since mine has lots of issues with screen flickering and tearing i can only really use some of the screen mode right now i am stuck on 640x512 as really my only usable mode.
Also unlike cars that have to be swapped to be upgraded computer product can be upgraded thru firmware why didn't he put a bigger FPGA first time??
My statement stands and not just to Jen's, it seems like "companies" want to punish you for being the first to buy there new products (ie no more firmware). I should have waited until the 2nd model but if i did that and others too then maybe there would be no second model.
I will probably have to buy the MK2 but now i am thinking when the MK3 or MK4 coming out, seems like it the way of the pc here, keep upgrading thru replacement.
I just hope the MK2 FPGA is big enough to put the MK3 and MK3 upgrades in there.. (then again i highly doubt it)
and for all of you who say it will increase prices.. well i just bought a MK1 and will buy a MK2 is that cheaper then a MK1 with a much bigger FPGA?
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@retro_71
For new modes (no grafitti) indivision dont need a bigger fpga just a fw update, make a mk2 mk3... is cool but following the support for the first models.
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We are waiting for Gedot
http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=52123
I think it is leaning on in inexcusable that we do not have a decent 800x600 mode in the MK1 AGA Indivision considering it is flash-able.