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Amiga computer related discussion => General chat about Amiga topics => Topic started by: drHirudo on June 05, 2011, 10:19:58 AM
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Hello!
I'd like to know why people using AOS 3 doesn't jump on the MOS train? What is holding you back exactly? I've been an a4k user myself but the MOS is offering much more than the classic Amiga can have.
Now I'm sure that some AOS 4 users will go crazy here since I didn't mention AOS 4 but I'm wondering why people are stuck with the classics. Nothing wrong with that except that they are missing out on so many great things.
This is offcourse in my opinion but I feal that taking a step forward wouldn't hurt? Also you can keep your classics while moving forward!
You shall feal really at home with mos, just like using aos 3 but better. I've read that mos classic wasn't good but for Pegasos it runs really well actually and from what I've read it does on the Mac boards too. Why not give it a try, it won't hurt you :-P
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Hmm, either Hotrod has two accounts or you just like cuting and pasting....
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Hmm, either Hotrod has two accounts or you just like cuting and pasting....
I have nothing to do with Hotrod, I just asked the same questions he asked regarding AmigaOS 4, to see if the same reasons are towards MOS or there are different reasons for AmigaOS 3 users to prefer their OS than something more modern.
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Everyone knows red ones go faster than blue ones :p
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Hello!
I'd like to know why people using AOS 3 doesn't jump on the MOS train? What is holding you back exactly?
Well, since I am an AmigaOS 3.x user, I can tell you there are much more less things holding me back from MOS than from OS4.
I wouldnt touch OS4 ever again, even if with a stick.
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I wouldnt touch OS4 ever again, even if with a stick.
Why? :confused:
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Well, since I am an AmigaOS 3.x user, I can tell you there are much more less things holding me back from MOS than from OS4.
I wouldnt touch OS4 ever again, even if with a stick.
Wrote nothing in substance as an answer, but did not miss the opportunity to slam the Amiga.
Nice.
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Wrote nothing in substance as an answer, but did not miss the opportunity to slam the Amiga.
Nice.
Which Amiga?
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Which Amiga?
AmigaOS 4 in your case. You mister are a fine example of a hater who is hating AmigaOS 4 just for the reason that he must have something to hate, without providing any reasoning.
You just like the other several Amiga haters, who pollute the forums all the time don't need to provide any answer. Better stay quiet, because your answers aren't answers at all, just noise.
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Back to the original question! What's keeping you with AmigaOS 3, to not consider upgrading to something newer?
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@Kesa
I wouldnt touch OS4 again, even if with a stick because:
1.Slow boot times. I wouldnt leave a hobby OS computer 24 hours on, hence booting time, when in the mood to tinker is relevant on any hobby OS.
2.Restrictive hardware requirements, not only in price, but in performance and availability.
3.No relation to what I knew as an Amiga, except trademarks and the boing logo.
4.FUD coming from the company that develops its OS. And a cult like sect of followers that try to delude everyone else, this is the second coming of Christ, thinking everything else represents the evil.
5.A hell of a buggy OS to deal with. Believe me, I ´ve been there, and I had GrimReaper all over me, on a default install, on good working hardware (tested on linux).
6.An OS that is a resource pig, it eats at least 64MB of ram just to stay idle. On 3.x I can multitask even with 512KB!
7.No really new feature or software that makes it unique or gives it a peculiar charm compared to other hobby OSes.
8.Price.
9.Quality/Vendor support.
10.Friendly enough userbase.
There are many others, that I could mention, but these are the ones that I feel are my stronger points against OS4.
@drHirudo
BTW, You asked a question. I answered in a sincere manner. If you dont like my answer, just learn to live with it. :)
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BTW, You asked a question. I answered in a sincere manner. If you dont like my answer, just learn to live with it. :)
I like your answer. But not your spelling ;)
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i like your answer. But not your spelling ;)
Lol
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@Kesa
I wouldnt touch OS4 again, even if with a stick because:
1.Slow boot times. I wouldnt leave a hobby OS computer 24 hours on, hence booting time, when in the mood to tinker is relevant on any hobby OS.
AmigaOS 3 have slower boot time for me. If you are booting into a clean Workbench AmigaOS 3, then it may be very fast, but if you add all the patches, hacks and applications that wouldn't bring even half of the usability of AmigaOS 4 (fully working connected TCP/IP stack, Dock, 32-bit icons, virtual memory, contextal menus, visual prefs, memory protection etc..) it will boot much slower, if booting at all.
2.Restrictive hardware requirements, not only in price, but in performance and availability.
Same can be said about AmigaOS 3 and MorhpOS. Your point exactly being?
3.No relation to what I knew as an Amiga, except trademarks and the boing logo.
The last real Amiga that you knew as is AmigaOS 3.1. 3.5 and 3.9 are coded by third parties. AmigaOS 3.5 is a joke, 3.9 fixed most of the needs of Aminet patches, but still comes with restricted TCP/IP stack. Currently AmigaOS 4 have the best TCP/IP stack of all AmigaOSes.
4.FUD coming from the company that develops its OS. And a cult like sect of followers that try to delude everyone else, this is the second coming of Christ, thinking everything else represents the evil.
Same can be said for AmigaOS 3.5-3.9 and MOS. Your point exactly being?
5.A hell of a buggy OS to deal with. Believe me, I ´ve been there, and I had GrimReaper all over me, on a deafult install, on good working hardware (tested on linux).
AmigaOS 3.9 is buggy as well. To get it to usable state you must install gazzilion of patches and hacks that start to conflict with each other at some stage of bringing it to half usable modern OS.
6.An OS that is a resource pig, it eats at least 64MB of ram just to stay idle. On 3.x I can multitask even with 512KB!
Run WHDLoad and enjoy all the multitasking of AmigaOS 3.x with 512 KB. Oh, wait WHDLoad won't run with 512 KB. Wait, you will need some patches that will not fit in 512 KB. Okay, reboot press both mouse buttons and disable the startup-sequence. Into the shell that appears, type LoadWB and enjoy the 512 KB fully usable modern OS. Do you like what you see?
7.No really new feature or software that makes it unique or gives it a peculiar charm compared to other hobby OSes.
The charm that its very much like AmigaOS 3 as I know it, only better, upgraded, modern, less buggy and having more applications is good enough for me.
8.Price.
AmigaOS 3.9 was released for free? 3.5? MOS? When?
9.Quality/Vendor support.
Acube, Vesalia, Hyperion provided me enough support when I needed it. Probably you have different experience to which I am really sorry about you.
10.Friendly enough userbase.
All the AmigaOS 4 users I have contacted are friendly with me. All the AmigaOS 3 I have contacted are friendly with me. All the MorphOS users I have contacted are friendly with me. I see no difference.
There are many others, that I could mention, but these are the ones that I feel are my stronger points against OS4.
BTW, You asked a question. I answered in a sincere manner. If you dont like my answer, just learn to live with it. :)
Thanks for your answers. I did not agree with you, see above my points.
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2.Restrictive hardware requirements, not only in price, but in performance and availability.
Same can be said about AmigaOS 3 and MorhpOS.
You can say it, but it isn't the truth. OS4 is the most restricted of the lot, OS3 the most flexible. OS3 can be run on various HW (old and new) and even under emulation. You can't possibly beat that for availability and price.
MorphOS hardware is a lot cheaper than OS4 HW. MorphOS supports wide variety of PowerPC Macs. These are easily available all over the globe. Typically you can get 3-4 MorphOS machines for the price of a single OS4 machine, and each of them is faster than the OS4 machine. PowerPC G4 with altivec runs circles around anything that OS4 has to offer.
Support for a Apple HW is great: You can find parts and repair for the HW pretty much everywhere locally. No need to send your machine to overseas for repair.
This being said I can see the point in not jumping the MorphOS bandwagon if you're a OS3.x user. You might be well happy with what you have. However MorphOS has the advantage of "trialware". If you (or family member or a friend) has a supported Mac you can easily bring the CD and try it out (MorphOS Boot CD (http://morphos-team.net/downloads.html) acts as a livecd if you don't proceed with the installation (http://morphos-team.net/installation.html)). If you like what you see you can then look into going all in. If not, you didn't lose much (one CD-R).
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If you are booting into a clean Workbench AmigaOS 3, then it may be very fast, but if you add all the patches, hacks and applications that wouldn't bring even half of the usability of AmigaOS 4 (fully working connected TCP/IP stack, Dock, 32-bit icons, virtual memory, contextal menus, visual prefs, memory protection etc..) it will boot much slower, if booting at all.
Still advertising memory protection on AmigaOS4?
Let's say it again: there's *NO* memory protection on AmigaOS4 (nor AROS, MorphOS).
Both MorphOS and OS4 come with limited protection in some cases, but it's nothing to do with real memory protection. So please stop including it as an AmigaOS4 feature.
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@Piru
I understand Ambient can be replaced by Workbench. So my question is: Can I make MorphOS a kind of "Amithlon clone" by booting automatically into an AmigaOS 3.9 enviroment and having Warp3d + WarpOS (MOS features) support built-in?
If positive, how much time would it take to boot this way?
Is difficult to achieve this "Ambientless" hack?
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Still advertising memory protection on AmigaOS4?
Let's say it again: there's *NO* memory protection on AmigaOS4 (nor AROS, MorphOS).
Both MorphOS and OS4 come with limited protection in some cases, but it's nothing to do with real memory protection. So please stop including it as an AmigaOS4 feature.
I had limited memory protection in AmigaOS 3, thanks to MuForce. It helped me a lot and saved me crashes and redoing unsaved work. The AmigaOS 4 partial memory protection is much better than the hacks and patches of AmigaOS 3, bringing half the functionality of AmigaOS 4 memory protection.
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I have MOS on a Mac Mini, it's quite nice.
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"...Also you can keep your classics while moving forward!"
Yes that's why I haven't choosen a "New" Amiga OS. Because they are not new and one "could" argue not really Amiga. I do old things on my old Amigas and new things on a platform that can do new things.
Like : recode HD video, multi track high res audio recording, burn and watch Blueray DVDs. Browse ALL web sites quickly, watching all types of content and HD, and play contemporary games with widescreen high resolution...etc etc etc. That's why I will stick to 3.1-3.9 on Amiga, and a well known current OS and platform for the new stuff.
I only have time and room for one hobby OS.
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@Piru
I understand Ambient can be replaced by Workbench. So my question is: Can I make MorphOS a kind of "Amithlon clone" by booting automatically into an AmigaOS 3.9 enviroment and having Warp3d + WarpOS (MOS features) support built-in?
If positive, how much time would it take to boot this way?
Is difficult to achieve this "Ambientless" hack?
i don't know if this "hack" is still valid for MorphOS 2.x but you can try:
http://aminet.net/package/docs/help/AmigaWBOnPegasos
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The original question was WHY NOT MORPHOS?
Because the doc wants to defend OS4 some more.
Why not leave the OS3 users alone unless they're interested in an upgrade?
Then they can examine each option and pick the one that's right for them.
Just because each of us carries a specific bias based on our own choices, that doesn't mean that our choice is necessarily the right one for someone else.
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Because the doc wants to defend OS4 some more.
That was not my intention. I did not want OS4 in this thread at all, but it was brought by the usual suspects (the haters). The question is why not MOS, instead of AmigaOS 3? I already gave explanation why I moved from AmigaOS 3 to something resembling more modern OS. (AmigaOS 4 in my case).
P.S. I am tired with all the crap thrown by MOS supporters. MOS runs on restricted hardware of limited availability. If it have more hardware options than AmigaOS 4 it does not make MOS having more options than it have. Currently MOS does not run on most of the models Macs.
A simple fast google search of buy mac, brings the following:
buy mac (http://www.google.com/search?q=buy+mac&hl=en&sa=G&rlz=1G1GGLQ_ENBG287&prmd=ivns&source=univ&tbm=shop&tbo=u&ei=BobrTbv_LtS0hAeQyJy6Bg&ved=0CDwQrQQ). MorphOS is not available on any of the listed models there. While someone may jump and say - look there is G5 Mac, it ruuuuuuns on it, then he is a moron and MorphOS lover, because it is not available for public release.
P.P.S. Buy Amiga (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rlz=1G1GGLQ_ENBG287&q=buy+amiga&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=). First result - Minimig, Amiga 1200, Sam460 distributor. Enough said.
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i don't know if this "hack" is still valid for MorphOS 2.x but you can try:
http://aminet.net/package/docs/help/AmigaWBOnPegasos
Thank you for the link.
It seems it is a clumsy solution, from what I read over there. Anyway, it is too old to be of any use now, as it is MOS 1.4 related :(
Perhaps it is a bit more elegant now?
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That was not my intention. I did not want OS4 in this thread at all, but it was brought by the usual suspects (the haters). The question is why not MOS, instead of AmigaOS 3? I already gave explanation why I moved from AmigaOS 3 to something resembling more modern OS. (AmigaOS 4 in my case).
P.S. I am tired with all the crap thrown by MOS supporters. MOS runs on restricted hardware of limited availability. If it have more hardware options than AmigaOS 4 it does not make MOS having more options than it have. Currently MOS does not run on most of the models Macs.
A simple fast google search of buy mac, brings the following:
buy mac (http://www.google.com/search?q=buy+mac&hl=en&sa=G&rlz=1G1GGLQ_ENBG287&prmd=ivns&source=univ&tbm=shop&tbo=u&ei=BobrTbv_LtS0hAeQyJy6Bg&ved=0CDwQrQQ). MorphOS is not available on any of the listed models there. While someone may jump and say - look there is G5 Mac, it ruuuuuuns on it, then he is a moron and MorphOS lover, because it is not available for public release.
P.P.S. Buy Amiga (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rlz=1G1GGLQ_ENBG287&q=buy+amiga&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=). First result - Minimig, Amiga 1200, Sam460 distributor. Enough said.
"Haters"? Interesting concept, but I don't hate OS4.
And the specific Mac models supported by MOS are in no way limited in their availability.
You have an opinion. You are entitled to it. But why further this entrenchment and alienation?
We have more in common then any two other OS'.
So if either is that bad, then how could you justify the other?
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"Haters"? Interesting concepts, but I don't hate OS4.
And the specific Mac models supported by MOS are in no way limited in their availability.
They are limited in availability. I can not find any of these specific Mac models in my area. While ebay is an option and I already have pretty good positive feedback by purchasing products, I am not interested in paying expensive shipping from UK or USA. And I must wait as well. The nearest Carrefour stocks Macs but none of them is supported by MOS.
See, I can answer MOS related questions, without bringing AmigaOS 4 to it. Why other people need to bring it is beyond any explanation other than they are haters.
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They are limited in availability. I can not find any of these specific Mac models in my area. While ebay is an option and I already have pretty good positive feedback by purchasing products, I am not interested in paying expensive shipping from UK or USA. And I must wait as well. The nearest Carrefour stocks Macs but none of them is supported by MOS.
See, I can answer MOS related questions, without bringing AmigaOS 4 to it. Why other people need to bring it is beyond any explanation other than they are haters.
Fair enough answer Doc.
And I can see the advantage of buying new equipment.
OS4 still works out to be a pretty pricey proposition, but there is less risk posed buying new rather then old hardware.
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Aos 3 < AROS and Aos 3 < MOS and Aos 3 < Aos 4 in just about everyway
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Too expensive to upgrade an Amiga to run it, and for non-Amiga PPC hardware there's other equal or better operating systems that are free.
(Points to MOS Team for not restricting you to upgraded Amigas or ridiculously-priced custom boards, though.)
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Aos 3 < AROS and Aos 3 < MOS and Aos 3 < Aos 4 in just about everyway
Support your argument if your going to make a statement.
Otherwise you're just 'throwing crap" and that's supposed to be our job. ;)
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They are limited in availability. I can not find any of these specific Mac models in my area. While ebay is an option and I already have pretty good positive feedback by purchasing products, I am not interested in paying expensive shipping from UK or USA. And I must wait as well.
Have you asked from your local Amiga reseller if they could stock used Macs there?
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Have you asked from your local Amiga reseller if they could stock used Macs there?
It's not often you see "local", "Amiga" and "reseller" used in the same sentence. Bonus points for that.
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It's not often you see "local", "Amiga" and "reseller" used in the same sentence. Bonus points for that.
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Well "Amiga" and "reseller" go together because NOS Amigas are few and far between (and would those batteries hold up to over two decades of storage).
"Local"? It ain't happening. There weren't very many Amiga dealers in my area when they were new.
Asking someone to stock used Macs? Why would I want to do that? I can find those (at better prices) on my own.
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Well "Amiga" and "reseller" go together because NOS Amigas are few and far between (and would those batteries hold up to over two decades of storage).
"Local"? It ain't happening. There weren't very many Amiga dealers in my area when they were new.
Asking someone to stock used Macs? Why would I want to do that? I can find those (at better prices) on my own.
Perhaps there is more infrastructure remaining in Europe than in the U.S. since we were affected 1st.
Anyway, this topic is dangerous since it opens the door to postings about new Amiga outlets opening in the U.S.
[evil grin]
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Perhaps there is more infrastructure remaining in Europe than in the U.S. since we were affected 1st.
Anyway, this topic is dangerous since it opens the door to postings about new Amiga outlets opening in the U.S.
[evil grin]
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I think that would just confuse people in the US.
"What that hecks an Amigo store, honey?"
I think the market was probably stronger in Europe (and remains so).
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Perhaps there is more infrastructure remaining in Europe than in the U.S. since we were affected 1st.
Anyway, this topic is dangerous since it opens the door to postings about new Amiga outlets opening in the U.S.
[evil grin]
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Why buy Macs at all? In USA you can have bunch of Macs in 31 seconds for free:
[youtube]Ae0KmCBrWio[/youtube]
It can not get any cheaper than that. And they are new. Surely MorphOS would had advantage here, only if it was working on laptops.
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Why buy Macs at all? In USA you can have bunch of Macs in 31 seconds for free:
[youtube]Ae0KmCBrWio[/youtube]
It can not get any cheaper than that. And they are new. Surely MorphOS would had advantage here, only if it was working on laptops.
Hey! He has a point again!
And he's not trying to verbally abuse me like Hotrod.
PPC Macs are practically free anyway.
But right now, the only thing that runs on laptops is AROS.
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Much the same answer I gave in the OS3 - OS4 thread... :)
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I'll throw my 2 cents in this thread...
The main reasons I haven't hopped on over to MorphOS are actually kind of pitiful. They are:
1. I own no suitable mac to run it.
2. "Supported hardware" section on MorphOS website does not list mac models by model number, allowing easy cross-reference to my other hobby OS compatibility interest (classic Mac :D - hey I told you my reasons are pitiful :lol:)
3. MorphOS license agreement.
None of these reasons are a deal breaker. I am just having trouble deciding on a mac model that covers all the bases (and is preferably not blueberry colored :D ).
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Much the same answer I gave in the OS3 - OS4 thread... :)
But of course. Would you expect any different?
These are the "let's get rabid over our faith" threads.
After all, this one was started by an OS4 advocate.
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I'll throw my 2 cents in this thread...
The main reasons I haven't hopped on over to MorphOS are actually kind of pitiful. They are:
1. I own no suitable mac to run it.
2. "Supported hardware" section on MorphOS website does not list mac models by model number, allowing easy cross-reference to my other hobby OS compatibility interest (classic Mac :D - hey I told you my reasons are pitiful :lol:)
3. MorphOS license agreement.
None of these reasons are a deal breaker. I am just having trouble deciding on a mac model that covers all the bases (and is preferably not blueberry colored :D ).
That last one bother me a bit.
What do you mean I can't move it from one platform to another?
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@Iggy
Once you've bought a license for one machine, you cannot transfer the license to another machine.
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Yeah, it sort of bugged me to at first, then I realized that I can tear it off and reinstall it onto the same piece of hardware as many times as I want (which is what I do anyways - I rarely get new kit, I mostly tweak what I've got). Thus why I said it wasn't really a deal breaker. I should have also added this one :
4. 111.11 Euros is not a magical number when switched to american dollars :lol:
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@Iggy
Once you've bought a license for one machine, you cannot transfer the license to another machine.
You can if the first machine dies.
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PPC Macs are practically free anyway.
Hell, they are free in the US - go into any public school in the entire country and you'll find a classroom full of old 603 - G4 Macs that they don't want to take the time or money to haul off to the dump. (And plenty of 68k machines, too.) One local school would've given every last one of 'em if I'd had the space in my car.
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Hell, they are free in the US - go into any public school in the entire country and you'll find a classroom full of old 603 - G4 Macs that they don't want to take the time or money to haul off to the dump. (And plenty of 68k machines, too.) One local school would've given every last one of 'em if I'd had the space in my car.
You jammy gits... :(
Here in the UK you still have to pay silly money for them. Just last summer my iMAC G4 cost me £160 and then £300 to upgrade (yes I know I got conned on that one... :cry:) and the iMac G5 I bought about a month later cost me £355 and they still go at those prices today on evilBay & second hand online stores... :(
I could have bought a brand new one for that money but I don't like the toffee nosed sales gits you find in Apple stores over here... :madashell:
Gawd... I paid all that dosh just to see what the internet was all about... I was robbed... :cry:
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Here in the UK you still have to pay silly money for them. Just last summer my iMAC G4 cost me £160 and then £300 to upgrade (yes I know I got conned on that one... :cry:) and the iMac G5 I bought about a month later cost me £355 and they still go at those prices today on evilBay & second hand online stores... :(
Ohhh bummer. Pity you didn't have anybody's address over here, we coulda grabbed you a free one - then again, I suppose shipping one of those beasts across the pond would jack the price up nearly that far anyway...
I could have bought a brand new one for that money but I don't like the toffee nosed sales gits you find in Apple stores [strike]over here...[/strike] everywhere... :madashell:
Fixed that for you ;)
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Hello!
I'd like to know why people using AOS 3 doesn't jump on the MOS train? What is holding you back exactly? I've been an a4k user myself but the MOS is offering much more than the classic Amiga can have.
Now I'm sure that some AOS 4 users will go crazy here since I didn't mention AOS 4 but I'm wondering why people are stuck with the classics. Nothing wrong with that except that they are missing out on so many great things.
This is offcourse in my opinion but I feal that taking a step forward wouldn't hurt? Also you can keep your classics while moving forward!
You shall feal really at home with mos, just like using aos 3 but better. I've read that mos classic wasn't good but for Pegasos it runs really well actually and from what I've read it does on the Mac boards too. Why not give it a try, it won't hurt you :-P
Powerbook G4 support and Wireless support, and I'll buy a license.
Until then, no point.
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If I could buy a G4, I would buy Mos.
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Thank you for the link.
It seems it is a clumsy solution, from what I read over there. Anyway, it is too old to be of any use now, as it is MOS 1.4 related :(
Perhaps it is a bit more elegant now?
Ambient has gotten much better since the MorphOS 1.4.x days. I didn't like it at all when I first started with MorphOS and I came close to following through on that tutorial. Once public betas of newer Ambients started appearing (long before the actual 2.0 release) I changed my mind.
Although I still do most of my work in DOpus4, regardless of whether I'm using OS3, OS4, or MorphOS. :)
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I use both and am well pleased!
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Anybody in Norway got a MorphOS capable Mac for me ? :-D
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Anybody in Norway got a MorphOS capable Mac for me ? :-D
Are there people still living in Norway !!! :confused:
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Are there people still living in Norway !!! :confused:
I dont have any with norway but, what stupid question is it?
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I dont have any with norway but, what stupid question is it?
Solly me no understandee what you mean by "I dont have any with norway"... :confused:
Stupid reply... :D
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Dont worry, i dont understand your english many times and its your mother language... thats problematic.
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Dont worry, i dont understand your english many times and its your mother language... thats problematic.
I don't understand it either so that makes two of us... :)
PS:It's not English it Scottish with a touch of English thrown in for good measure... :)
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Oh... that exist?... then this is a english only forum i think, dont speak useless languages.
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Oh... that exist?... then this is a english only forum i think, dont speak useless languages.
Not it's not... cos your writing in gibberish... :)
PS: Glad to know that thread many months back where we mourned the passing of your sense of humour wasn't a waste of time... ;)
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Dont worry, i dont understand your english many times and its your mother language... thats problematic.
Don't worry kickstart, I understood that. ;)
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bläh bläh... registered jun 2010, 4871 post, 2 times banned
And talking about my fucking english.
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bläh bläh... registered jun 2010, 4871 post, 2 times banned
And talking about my fucking english.
Gosh didn't realise you were keeping tabs on me, handy that if I ever lose me memory they can contact you and get me details... :)
PS: didn't realise you were trying to write in English here, thought it was written in very bad Finnish accent meself... :D
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Wow! Franko, you've reached one third of Karlos' number in one year? That's wild.
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Wow! Franko, you've reached one third of Karlos' number in one year? That's wild.
You've got to remember... I have multiple personalities so there can be quite a few of me posting at any one time... ;)
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bläh bläh... registered jun 2010, 4871 post, 2 times banned
Where does it say he was banned twice?
I only remember him getting banned once.
And talking about my fucking english.
Just so you know, he is not bothered by your English. He is just playing with you. Franko (both of him) can't usually write a 100% serious message ever since that fall down the stairs after a drunken night of Brazillian girls and throwing darts at a large picture of Bill McEwen and some furniture salesman he kept calling Barry. :D
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Just so you know, he is not bothered by your English. He is just playing with you. Franko (both of him) can't usually write a 100% serious message ever since that fall down the stairs after a drunken night of Brazillian girls and throwing darts at a large picture of Bill McEwen and some furniture salesman he kept calling Barry. :D
Im not angry but bored to watch the same things of franko sometimes, is useless to talk with franko.
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Where does it say he was banned twice?
I only remember him getting banned once.
It's actually 3 times but one of them was stricken from the records on account that it was a boo boo... :)
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Im not angry but bored to watch the same things of franko sometimes, is useless to talk with franko.
Odd that... I sometimes have that same argument amongst meselfs... :confused: