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The "Not Quite Amiga but still computer related category" => Alternative Operating Systems => Topic started by: dougal on May 29, 2011, 05:07:50 PM
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As the topic says, what is your everyday operating system / platform ?
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Win 7, primarily - but finding myself using Ubuntu a lot more as time goes by.
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Linux of course
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Windows 7; although in retrospect I probably should have selected the "use multiple" as I also use my 'droid phone pretty extensively.
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I use OS X at home all the time. XP at work. I prefare OS X any day over anything.
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Linux of course
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Dunno where I'd be without it, these days. I stopped using Windows full time back in the Windows 2000 days.
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For PCs the Ultimate OS is Ubuntu linux.
I use it for my desktop, laptop, netbook and for 3 desktops of my shop. No windoz at all.
Ofcourse to my amigas use AmigaOs 1.3-3.9 but isn't my everyday OS.
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There is and can be only one... and of course that is Amiga Workebench from 1.3 to 3.5 ... :)
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Naturally, MorphOS 2.7 for most uses. But I also have Ubuntu, Win Vista, Win XP Media Center and Win 2008 Server R2 on various other platforms.
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Second place for me would be Windows XP and third should read "AmigaOS 3.x" - but this option doesn't seem to exist. :-)
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Second place for me would be Windows XP and third should read "AmigaOS 3.x" - but this option doesn't seem to exist. :-)
I think that's what the option "Amiga Workbench (1.x - 3.x)" is meant to cover... ;)
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FAIL.
Error: Poll does not allow multiselect.
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Shame we cannot multiselect as i use daily Windows XP SP3 on my netbook that i carry all day, Windows 7 on my main 18' laptop at home and AmigaOS 3.1 because everyday one of my migies is powered on to to something.
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I've been using Windows XP for daily use since 2004, but lately I've been weaning myself off it because I'm damned if they're going to make me upgrade to 7 or 8. Instead, I've been acclimating myself to Linux (Salix x86) so that I can be free once and for all when this netbook finally gives up the ghost.
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At home I use MorphOS almost exclusively. OSX fills the gaps.
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Linux Ubuntu, then Amiga OS3.9 and now and then Windows 7
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OSX or WinXP when I'm on the macbook, Arch on the Desktop, 3.9 and (soon to be) System 7 on the A4000. That's just a typical day and not one where I'm having fun trying out AROS or Haiku.
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FAIL.
Error: Poll does not allow multiselect.
Agreed and +1. I had to select the bottom entry because I use both MacOSX and Linux often and occasionally WinXP.
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Voted Windows as that's what I use at work and on my gaming rig. I got Linux on the computer I use for actual "computing", but I guess I work and game to much for that to count. :P
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I mostly use MorphOS and Mac OS Snow Leopard
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Home = Amiga OS 4.X although we also have others available.
Work = no choice, have to use comany standard, which is currently Microsoft Windows XP Professional Edition
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redfox
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Applications I am tied into direct which OS I use. Amiga for Octamed and Bars and Pipes and for the internet and various soft synths I use Windows 7. I've tried Ubuntu and although I like it it has no killer app for me. Work is Windows
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Did go back to vist32 for some software I wanted to use.
I do like Ubuntu 10.10 and miss it.
I may go to Debian 6.
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My recommendations for linux (in order):
Arch, Mint, Debian, Ubuntu.
Killer apps? Terminal :D, and latest mplayer, libreoffice, wodim, genisoimage, DWM, vim, gedit...oh and a dedicated OS user group for Haskell.
I know there are the same on windows, but its so much easier for me on the linux side.
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Did go back to vist32 for some software I wanted to use.
I do like Ubuntu 10.10 and miss it.
I may go to Debian 6.
Debian 6 is actually really nice. I recommend it!
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Wow... its odd how in the other poll AROS was the favourite and yet in this one no-one uses it (I thought there were versions of AROS in use just now for different platforms) !!!
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Debian 6 is actually really nice. I recommend it!
I ran it in Virtual Box on Ubuntu 10.10. I agree with that.
I need another hd to get back to it.
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MophOS and MicroXP .88 for my general day to day use. Workbench 3.1/Classic Amiga primarily for Musick, then Ubuntu and the Ipod OS for the road. I was a hard core BeOS user, but now I'm just waiting for Haiku to mature a little bit then I'll be using it a lot again too.
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MophOS and MicroXP .88 for my general day to day use. Workbench 3.1/Classic Amiga primarily for Musick, then Ubuntu and the Ipod OS for the road. I was a hard core BeOS user, but now I'm just waiting for Haiku to mature a little bit then I'll be using it a lot again too.
I never gave BeOS a chance, but I am very interested in Haiku :D especially if it gets a modern java machine and an eclipse port :lol:
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Wow... its odd how in the other poll AROS was the favourite and yet in this one no-one uses it (I thought there were versions of AROS in use just now for different platforms) !!!
That is what we believe this community needs Amiga wise.
I use it on VBox.
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I use Vista Home Basic, which came preinstalled on my cheapo PC. At first I only kept it out of laziness and the need to run a few Windows exclusive programs, but ever since SP1, it's worked very well for me.
I'd love to be using AROS, Haiku, or even Syllable, but they all have a long way to go before they can replace Windows for my daily computing tasks. AROS doesn't even support my keyboard and mouse yet.
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Wow... its odd how in the other poll AROS was the favourite and yet in this one no-one uses it (I thought there were versions of AROS in use just now for different platforms) !!!
Yeah Franko, that's why I get accused of bias all the time. I like AROS, but I use MorphOS. Right now, MOS just works better.
I use Vista Home Basic, which came preinstalled on my cheapo PC. At first I only kept it out of laziness and the need to run a few Windows exclusive programs, but ever since SP1, it's worked very well for me.
I'd love to be using AROS, Haiku, or even Syllable, but they all have a long way to go before they can replace Windows for my daily computing tasks. AROS doesn't even support my keyboard and mouse yet.
I've got a copy of Vista running on one machine too. After using it awhile I've come to prefer it to WinXP. I could have moved to Win7, but frankly I don't think there's enough difference to justify it.
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Ubuntu for me. But i use mac osx and windows xp at the uni sometimes. I will never go back to windows now on my main pc because it's a flawed product. All those viruses...
I use Ubuntu 10.10 but not going to update to 11 because of crap unity. If i did update my Linux i will probably move over to Kubuntu because I've heard it's better.
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I use Ubuntu 10.10 but not going to update to 11 because of crap unity. If i did update my Linux i will probably move over to Kubuntu because I've heard it's better.
Why don't you switch over to Linux Mint instead? You can think of it like an enhanced Ubuntu. Means you can keep running GNOME as your DE too.
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Ubuntu, Installed it on my x86 box about a week ago and already has an Amiga theme ;) also has great driver support :D
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Ubuntu for me. But i use mac osx and windows xp at the uni sometimes. I will never go back to windows now on my main pc because it's a flawed product. All those viruses...
It's definitely a flawed product, but so is just about every other OS. I don't like the way it presents the user with a desktop long before it's actually usable, or the way it allocates huge amounts of storage to things like the recycle bin or internet cache by default, or about a thousand other boneheaded design choices MS has made, but I'm convinced viruses are mostly a matter of user error.
I've been using windows for over a decade with constant internet connections and no AV software, and not once have I had a problem with a virus. It's not like I have my system locked down, or avoid sketchy websites, either. I've had to re-install plenty of systems which did have viruses and malware, and in almost every case, the source of the virus was either the user falling for some lame trick prompt on a website, or careless downloading from P2P networks.
An experienced user should never have an issue.
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Eh...being a smart user will definitely go a long ways towards keeping your computer safe, but Windows has had its share of real problems (moreso in the 95 family than in XP,) and some of the security holes in bundled Microsoft applications *cough*Outlook Express*cough* have been just stunning in their stupidity (allow automatic execution of power-user scripting in emails from any old source on the entire Internet? Sure, why not?)
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Wow... its odd how in the other poll AROS was the favourite and yet in this one no-one uses it (I thought there were versions of AROS in use just now for different platforms) !!!
As a primary computer, I'd be surprised.
People voted for AROS because of its potential, not because of what it is /today/
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It's definitely a flawed product, but so is just about every other OS. I don't like the way it presents the user with a desktop long before it's actually usable, or the way it allocates huge amounts of storage to things like the recycle bin or internet cache by default, or about a thousand other boneheaded design choices MS has made, but I'm convinced viruses are mostly a matter of user error.
I've been using windows for over a decade with constant internet connections and no AV software, and not once have I had a problem with a virus. It's not like I have my system locked down, or avoid sketchy websites, either. I've had to re-install plenty of systems which did have viruses and malware, and in almost every case, the source of the virus was either the user falling for some lame trick prompt on a website, or careless downloading from P2P networks.
An experienced user should never have an issue.
I agree that people who get viruses probably get what they deserve. One of my friends bought a new netbook and the very first thing he did with it (i watched him do this) was type hardcore porn into google. Literally within 20 minutes the netbook was so fried by a virus it wouldn't even boot up. He took it back into the shop within 30 minutes of using it complaining about it. Really stupid i reckon... :hammer:
For me my problem with windows and it's viruses isn't really a usability issue but more a stance on principle. How many millions of viruses are available for windows? How many are there for Linux or mac osx? Just thinking about this comparison makes me wince. Why would i want to use something like that? :confused:
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As the topic says, what is your everyday operating system / platform ?
My everyday OS is Ubuntu 11.XX. This is the one I do my main work with.
Windows 7 for most modern day games, and WinUAE
Windows XP to play the older games plus newer games and WinUAE.
OS 3.9 on my Amiga 4000 (only reason not used as my main computer is she is my favorite computer, couldn't stand to lose her).
smerf
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Wow... its odd how in the other poll AROS was the favourite and yet in this one no-one uses it (I thought there were versions of AROS in use just now for different platforms) !!!
Hi,
@Franko,
AROS was voted as the favorite for maybe taking over for the Amiga OS platform. This doesn't mean that it is ready for everyday use as of yet. It is just that we see it as the best option as of last week.
smerf
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FAIL.
Error: Poll does not allow multiselect.
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I agree! and not Pancakes option! :laughing:
Anyway, i use AOS 3.X, 2.X, MSWindozzee 98 and XP, Linux Kanoppix..
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OS X with 12 cores of iNtel goodness...
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my vote for Windows XP
it is the system I use since 2002 ideal for internet retrogames emulators,new games old games and everything works there
it's today the most compatible OS which you have drivers for anything
also installed vista mixer and an unoficial patch to use DIrectX10
sincerely I do not use Win 7 because I found retro-compatibiliy problems with certain games and software
for example my TV card not works fine on Win 7....my prefered joystick is game port and there are not gameport on winvista or win 7
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At home where I have a choice, it's AmigaOS4, so that's how I voted.
At work, it's Windows 2000, which is not on the list, and which I don't use daily (as I usually only work 5 days a week).
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I still use OS3.x, but am also going to install Linux and AROS on my Amiga soon. Also going to install those 2 immediately in the new refurb PC, cause not planning on using Win XP for much.
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what is your everyday operating system / platform ?
MorphOS. In some very rare cases Windows XP.
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Used to be Win, now it's Linux.
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I voted OSX, but that's not strictly speaking true. IOS is my everyday platform, I can go many days without turning on my laptops (OSX)... By my iPhone gets hourly usage ;)
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XP mostly, seeing as it's just not worth the effort to do my sort of things on another OS. But I also use Ubuntu and AOS4 whenever I can, i.e. most days. Also have my trusty iBook with OSX Tiger on it for when I need a laptop, and have one machine with a Haiku and AROS dualboot setup, but that'd only be turned on occasionally...
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I use Ubuntu 10.10 but not going to update to 11 because of crap unity. If i did update my Linux i will probably move over to Kubuntu because I've heard it's better.
I hear you. Setup 11.04 about a week ago and was shocked.
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I hear you. Setup 11.04 about a week ago and was shocked.
That bad? i actually haven't used it i'm going by what others have said.
While some of us are talking about Linux is there really much of a difference between all the distros? I have only ever used Ubuntu so i wouldn't know :)
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I hear you. Setup 11.04 about a week ago and was shocked.
I only ever bother with the LTS releases.
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While some of us are talking about Linux is there really much of a difference between all the distros? I have only ever used Ubuntu so i wouldn't know :)
For the most part, typical desktop distributions differ significantly only in their window and package manager choices and the default applications they ship with for basic tasks. Beyond that, a 2.6 kernel machine is a 2.6 kernel machine. Anything on top is largely interchangeable.
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I voted OSX, but that's not strictly speaking true. IOS is my everyday platform, I can go many days without turning on my laptops (OSX)... By my iPhone gets hourly usage ;)
Ah the iPhone, the new Crackberry.
Personally, I keep leaving my phone at home. I think its an act of defiance my subconscious keeps performing. At some level I loath being constantly available to anyone with my number (but I hate people who screen calls).
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My wife makes fun of me because as big a nerd as I am, I refuse to have a smart phone. Phones are for voice calls dammit. Your email message is really not that important to me while I'm out. And no, I won't return your fucking text messages either.
I voted linux. I use windows also, but only for video editing, and I'm trying to learn a few linux video editors so I can never touch a windows machine again...
Steven
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Home = Amiga OS 4.X although we also have others available.
Work = no choice, have to use comany standard, which is currently Microsoft Windows XP Professional Edition
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redfox
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Varthall
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Curently I am a multi-OS user. Win7 (which seems to be the most stable thing MS has ever released:) Ubuntu is very cool, and I do have the latest version. And here lately it seems I use Amiga OS3.9 under AmiKIT (WinUAE) as much as Win7 hehe.
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Personally, I keep leaving my phone at home. I think its an act of defiance my subconscious keeps performing. At some level I loath being constantly available to anyone with my number (but I hate people who screen calls).
My wife makes fun of me because as big a nerd as I am, I refuse to have a smart phone. Phones are for voice calls dammit. Your email message is really not that important to me while I'm out. And no, I won't return your fucking text messages either.
Amen. I don't want people to expect me to be available to them 24/7 - they can call me when I want to be called, dammit. And if I want computing power on the go - I already have it. It's called a "netbook," and it has a real hard drive, a real keyboard, and an OS that you don't have to crack to run whatever software you want on. Smartphones can go to hell.
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I voted Win 7, but also use ubuntu often and the last few weeks been using OSX 10.6.3 on an old Hp core 2 duo I had laying around.
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While some of us are talking about Linux is there really much of a difference between all the distros? I have only ever used Ubuntu so i wouldn't know :)
Yes...and no.
when I first started using linux back in the dark ages, one of the great things about it was stability and the ability to custom tailor the kernel to EXACTLY what hardware was in your comp and turn on all sorts of compile time flags to squeeze out every last ounce of performance (we all compiled our kernels by hand in those days). I actually often used X for my GUI. NOwadays we hardly worry about how much memory we use or how much unnecessary cruft is included with the kernel we don't need - we just want the spinny cube and the wobbly windows and to be part of the cool kids.
Now, having said all that "git offah mah lawn" stuff, Karlos is right - the distro basically handles all the crap that sits above the kernel and delivers it to you. Some do it on release cycles (ubuntu, most others), some do it rolling release (Arch, Gentoo as well I believe), some use special packages (apt and rpm), some use binaries (arch, slackware), some compile every damn piece of software (Gentoo). Some force you to have an Out of Box Experience with all the bells and whistles, some make you build your system by hand from a command prompt.
As I run an "old" P4 as my daily coding machine, I like it to be as lightweight as possible while still be "modern". I run Arch and vascillate between DWM and XFCE for my windowing manager.
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My wife makes fun of me because as big a nerd as I am, I refuse to have a smart phone. Phones are for voice calls dammit. Your email message is really not that important to me while I'm out. And no, I won't return your fucking text messages either.
I voted linux. I use windows also, but only for video editing, and I'm trying to learn a few linux video editors so I can never touch a windows machine again...
Steven
Yay! Let's hear it for Steven!
I refuse to have a smart phone.
I find them oh so seductive myself, but worry that with e-mail and internet access while away from home I'll be paying even less attention to the world around me.
So I may be one of only a few people here who's first experience with ARM is likely to be at home.
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I hear you. Setup 11.04 about a week ago and was shocked.
Kubuntu 11.4 is pretty slick :)
Generally though, upgrading right away as a new release comes out is usually going to have some hassle.
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So I may be one of only a few people here who's first experience with ARM is likely to be at home.
My first experience with ARM was the Gameboy Advance ;) Though I do have an Efika MX I got from a co-worker...need to fiddle around with that sometime...
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... Though I do have an Efika MX I got from a co-worker...need to fiddle around with that sometime...
Fascinating, did you buy it or acquire it some other way?
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Fascinating, did you buy it or acquire it some other way?
Got it from my co-worker. He got it as a development unit to work on porting something to it, but he had some kind of falling-out and wasn't very interested in it anymore. Sounds like the only difference is that it has a 2GB internal SDHC instead of 4GB, but it works just fine.
I've been toying with the idea of developing something for it...I've been wanting to play around with Amiga-inspired microkernel OS development for a while, but of course I need to understand a good bit more about the i.MX515 SoC to even have a chance of getting anywhere...
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I have to use Win 7 at work as its what I write programs for, But I use it at home too, as well as Linux and Workbench 3.9... Will probably get AROS going at some point too.
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I use Win 7 on the desktop (voted) but Win server 2k8 and Linux for servers. Amiga for fun!
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Yay! Let's hear it for Steven!
I refuse to have a smart phone.
I find them oh so seductive myself, but worry that with e-mail and internet access while away from home I'll be paying even less attention to the world around me.
So I may be one of only a few people here who's first experience with ARM is likely to be at home.
You could always just get a smartphone and not get a data plan. That way, you can load it up with apps and games, but not have internet access when you're out and about.
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You could always just get a smartphone and not get a data plan. That way, you can load it up with apps and games, but not have internet access when you're out and about.
AT&T does not allow this. If you have an Iphone, you get a data plan. period.
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Got it from my co-worker. He got it as a development unit to work on porting something to it, but he had some kind of falling-out and wasn't very interested in it anymore. Sounds like the only difference is that it has a 2GB internal SDHC instead of 4GB, but it works just fine.
I've been toying with the idea of developing something for it...I've been wanting to play around with Amiga-inspired microkernel OS development for a while, but of course I need to understand a good bit more about the i.MX515 SoC to even have a chance of getting anywhere...
A good starting point for your investigations:
http://aros.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/nightly-download?20110530/Binaries/AROS-20110530-linux-arm-system.tar.bz2
Should work on the Efika MX, in fact here's a screenshot to prove it:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/54643129@N00/5191566091/
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Ah, yeah. I was wondering if AROS would run, but I couldn't find much conclusive. I'll have to give that a shot. It looks like the archive is a binary distribution? What exactly do I have to do to get it to boot?
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AT&T does not allow this. If you have an Iphone, you get a data plan. period.
There are other carriers and smartphones.
Does AT&T use SIM cards?
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I have OS X, Ubuntu and Windows 7.
Ubuntu 11.04 with Unity is interesting, but I still don't know what I would need it for. Windows 7 is flaky and a disappointment, and I only use it to play some old games. I spend almost all computer-time in OS X.
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Wow... its odd how in the other poll AROS was the favourite and yet in this one no-one uses it (I thought there were versions of AROS in use just now for different platforms) !!!
That's because AROS is the future. Since 1995. :lol:
It will stay the future in the future as well.
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There are other carriers and smartphones.
Does AT&T use SIM cards?
Verizon is the same - they also force data if you have a smartphone. I am sure there are ways with jailbreaking and other illicitness, but if you aren't into all that, you pay for the data plan. Wireless carriers in the US blow chunks.
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Verizon is the same - they also force data if you have a smartphone. I am sure there are ways with jailbreaking and other illicitness, but if you aren't into all that, you pay for the data plan. Wireless carriers in the US blow chunks.
Ditto for Sprint. Its common across the board.
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Ah, yeah. I was wondering if AROS would run, but I couldn't find much conclusive. I'll have to give that a shot. It looks like the archive is a binary distribution? What exactly do I have to do to get it to boot?
Yeah, definitely worth a try. At the moment the ARM port of AROS is Linux-hosted only, so to get it to run you'd need Linux installed on the Efika MX first. This allows AROS to use all of the hardware that ARM Linux supports. What operating system have you got on the Efika MX at the moment?
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AOS4 & SAM440ep when I have my hobby day.
Otherwise Ubuntu.
(I have plenty of other systems as well, but no time for those now)
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Yeah, definitely worth a try. At the moment the ARM port of AROS is Linux-hosted only, so to get it to run you'd need Linux installed on the Efika MX first. This allows AROS to use all of the hardware that ARM Linux supports. What operating system have you got on the Efika MX at the moment?
Ah. It's got the distro that came with it when I got it from my coworker (Ubuntu 10, I think?) Which is woefully in need of updating, but should work just fine for hosting AROS.
Wonder how long it'll be before it can run native...?
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That's because AROS is the future. Since 1995. :lol:
It will stay the future in the future as well.
... for some; not for others.
Staf.
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Win7/Haiku running 50/50 and emulated AmigaOS on both lately with a small amount of AROS thrown in for good measure.
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Ah. It's got the distro that came with it when I got it from my coworker (Ubuntu 10, I think?) Which is woefully in need of updating, but should work just fine for hosting AROS.
Wonder how long it'll be before it can run native...?
As far as I know ARM-native AROS being worked on behind the scenes. However, some more user testing could help make sure the ARM ports are stable, so as you do have suitable hardware you could be doing us all a favour by testing it out and reporting back what you find.
I reckon you're right that Ubuntu 10.04/10.10 (whichever you have) will be a good candidate to host AROS on. If you'd like some advice on setting AROS up then posting on AROS-Exec, or chatting on the #aros IRC channel (on freenode) is your best bet for getting some helpful advice.
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Yeah, I got it up and running this afternoon, but I didn't get a chance to do much with it. (Plus, I need to get some actual software on the Ubuntu install - apparently they didn't figure you'd need little niceties like a file manager or a wireless-network manager :/ Oh well, I've used worse installs.)
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Archlinux on x86_64 here, very happy with it. Of course I have WinUAE via Wine and E-UAE when I feel like a couple of rounds of one old game or another.