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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Software Issues and Discussion => Topic started by: AmigaChild on May 08, 2011, 07:30:19 PM
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Hi, I am brand new to the concept of Amiga. To be honest I was born the year before Commodore filed bankruptcy, so I really had only heard of Amiga growing up. Recently in frustration, I had given up on linux, windows, and mac. They just don't seem to hold up to the standards of modern technology. So, I met a friend who had Amiga OSXL running on his computer and it was love at first sight.
This may be the wrong place to post this, but how do I go about running Amiga OS on MY PC.
-AmigaChild:lol:
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Honestly, I think the best way is to buy AmigaForever2010 (or 2011, whatever year they're on about these days :D ). That will give you an entire environment to play around with without the need for new hardware. It will need windoze beneath it make it run, but there are lots of folks here who can tell you how to make that part of it nearly invisible.
As for other solutions, there are:
1. Buy a supported PPC Macintosh and install MorphOS on it :)
2. Buy a SAM460 from AmigaKit or Vesalia and install AmigaOS4.1 on it :)
3. Buy a classic Amiga from some blighter here or on AmiBay and Install Amiga OS 3.1 to 3.9 on it :)
4. Buy a supported Intel machine and install AROS on it.
All are fun, all are Amiga. :D
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Thanks so much! I appreciate it.
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I'm like you; I was also born the year before Commodore filed bankruptcy (1993). At this point, I have an A1200 with a modest 4MB expansion, an A1000 with 512K chip, a PowerPC Mac G4 with MorphOS, an A500 on the way (perhaps), and a system with AROS, as well as UAE on my main PC.
The world of Amiga is awesome. Just say what you want to do, and people here will be able to suggest all sorts of software and hardware combinations that will allow you to do it.
If you want a classic Amiga experience, get an A500 with a bunch of disks or an A1200 with FastRAM and a hard drive to run WHDLoad on. There's also something new called the Minimig which is an implementation of an ECS A500 on a small FPGA board.
If you want to go modern, go with an Amiga with a PowerPC accelerator (not cheap), a PPC Mac with MorphOS installed, or x86 with AROS. One could also wait around for the NatAmi or AmigaOne machines, but those have been in development for a very long time and will probably be rather expensive at launch (especially the AmigaOne).
Of course, there are emulation options. WinUAE is always good, especially with AmigaForever. X-Amiga is a special distribution of Linux made for use with UAE, and Amithlon, despite being inactive for several years, is still pretty good if one's hardware can run it.
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Sorry to post again but has anyone on viewed or tried this:
http://www.osnews.com/story/604
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Sorry to post again but has anyone on viewed or tried this:
http://www.osnews.com/story/604
amigaos xl is no more... just go for aros, it is everything amiga xl wanted to be. it is open source and free, it run on your x86 pc..
http://aros.sourceforge.net/
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amigaos xl is no more... just go for aros, it is everything amiga xl wanted to be. it is open source and free, it run on your x86 pc..
http://aros.sourceforge.net/
I've found some places I can purchase/download amigaos xl. Is that not legit?
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I've found some places I can purchase/download amigaos xl. Is that not legit?
:confused:
The download is almost for sure not okay and the sales are only okay if they are used original disks. AmigaOSXL/Amithlon died years ago.
You may consider MorphOS - all you need is a G4 Mac with Radeon gfx (Mac mini, Powermac G4 or some eMac) to freely testdrive it. If you don't know about MorphOS yet you may start with the five minute read "What is MorphOS at http://via.i-networx.de/wim.htm .
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If you really would like to turn your PC into something a lot like an Amiga, as said, try X-Amiga.
http://www.xamiga.net/index.html
It's a lightweight Linux distribution that allows you to boot to an emulated Amiga system as soon as you turn your PC on, so it's like your computer is a very fast classic Amiga machine.
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The download is almost for sure not okay and the sales are only okay if they are used original disks. AmigaOSXL/Amithlon died years ago.
You may consider MorphOS - all you need is a G4 Mac with Radeon gfx (Mac mini, Powermac G4 or some eMac) to freely testdrive it. If you don't know about MorphOS yet you may start with the five minute read "What is MorphOS at http://via.i-networx.de/wim.htm .
I tried Morphos and it is a bit daunting to a new user of the system. It looks great, but I couldn't work out how to install my ADF disks of various programs.
I think if you're a more expert user, you can do whatever you want, but for new users, I wish there was a guide in getting your Amiga software across for new users of Morphos and a compatibility guide, that would be fantastic to help out new users.
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I tried Morphos and it is a bit daunting to a new user of the system. It looks great, but I couldn't work out how to install my ADF disks of various programs.
I think if you're a more expert user, you can do whatever you want, but for new users, I wish there was a guide in getting your Amiga software across for new users of Morphos and a compatibility guide, that would be fantastic to help out new users.
You could try asking over at MorphZone. They weren't taking on new user registrations for a short while, but as far as I know, it's all business as usual there now.
I'm pretty sure there are tools for mounting .adf images as disks. The only issues you are likely to encounter are those that require access to the original amiga hardware (including requiring non-rtg capable displaymodes). If you do have such an application, E-UAE should work. Anything properly system-friendly and rtg/ahi compatible should pretty much just work. Personally, I wish Octamed Soundstudio wasn't one of the sad exceptions to that rule, but I guess you can't have everything.
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Welcome.
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I've found some places I can purchase/download amigaos xl. Is that not legit?
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Are you sure it'll work on your PC? As others have said, AmigaOS XL isn't developed anymore, so you'd be taking a risk. Of course you could *cough* download it for free to try it out, but you didn't hear that from me, right? ;-)
Honestly, I think there are three relatively pain-free ways to get into the Amiga scene:
1. Run AROS. Download a live CD from here, it's free and you don't need to install it if you don't like it:
http://www.icarosdesktop.org/
2. Run MorphOS. You can have a full MorphOS system for probably £200 if you shop around. Basically you want to get a PPC Mac from eBay that's supported by MorphOS. If you're interested, let us know and we'll help you put together a system.
3. Run UAE. UAE, in it's many forms, is the premier Amiga emulation solution. It's easy to play around with, the only hurdle to cross is getting Amiga Kickstart ROMs so that programs can run. You can do this legally by buying Amiga Forever:
http://www.amigaforever.com/
All three of these options are relatively cheap (or in the case of AROS, free). If you didn't want to buy a new computer and wanted something that gave you a good experience out of the box, I'd say go for Amiga Forever. Amiga Forever comes with KX Light, which you can think of as the successor to Amiga XL (it's not really the same, but the seamless experience should be):
http://www.amigaforever.com/kxlight/
http://www.amigaforever.com/tour/af_kxlight_boot.html
Hope this helps. Please feel free to ask questions, we were all beginners at one point. :-)
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there are some nice AROS-Distributions out there: http://www.aros-broadway.de/ this is one of them! try it out, its free and open source!! amiga rulez
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As x86-PC, Mac, PPC, emulators etc.. not really is Amiga the way it was. Buy a real one or try the newer FPGA implementations:
Have a look here:
http://fpgaarcade.com/
http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=55885
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minimig
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I guess, the question is what does he want to do with his new "Amiga" ?
Just play a bunch of 20 year´old games ? WinUAE,WinUAE and again WinUAE....
Use apps of that time ? Still WinUAE .....
Use it as a "modern" computer browsing the web and stuff ? MorphOS on a descent Mac is the best choice here.
Just tinker around ? AROS,FPGA or even a real C=-Amiga (not to be mistaken with the current NotC=USA-crap) is what he should want.
AmigaOSXL is really 2fold:
AmigaXL, a port of UAE for QNX both 10 years out of date.
Amithlon, a much faster emulator acting like it is a full OS, but getting it to run on 2011 HW won't be easy and it won't make full use of it (as it's also 10 years out of date).
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Little video (well quite long actually, sorry!) showing the current flavours of "Amiga" operating systems:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1RsvEm7UrU
:)
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Little video (well quite long actually, sorry!) showing the current flavours of "Amiga" operating systems:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1RsvEm7UrU
:)
Cool vid. A definite improvement on the one from 2009 (not that there was anything wrong with it) ;)
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Welcome to the club, as begginer you must to begin with AROS or 68k emulations and some day to give the step to OS 4 with PPC.
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There are new kernels developed for amithlon in order to support more up-to-date hardware. Check the amithlon-open mailing list at yahoo groups.
And welcome aboard!
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It is always great to see new folks finding the Amiga!
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If you really would like to turn your PC into something a lot like an Amiga, as said, try X-Amiga.
http://www.xamiga.net/index.html
It's a lightweight Linux distribution that allows you to boot to an emulated Amiga system as soon as you turn your PC on, so it's like your computer is a very fast classic Amiga machine.
Sweet! I will have to try this for sure.
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Hi, I am brand new to the concept of Amiga.
Welcome to the world of Amiga :)
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Hi, I am brand new to the concept of Amiga. To be honest I was born the year before Commodore filed bankruptcy, so I really had only heard of Amiga growing up. Recently in frustration, I had given up on linux, windows, and mac. They just don't seem to hold up to the standards of modern technology. So, I met a friend who had Amiga OSXL running on his computer and it was love at first sight.
This may be the wrong place to post this, but how do I go about running Amiga OS on MY PC.
-AmigaChild:lol:
Hi.
Take a look at this video, it is very well good for somebody that has no touches w/ Amiga and is interested in it:
Why use Amiga in 2011? (AmigaOS 4, MorphOS, AROS, AmigaOS 3.9)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1RsvEm7UrU&feature=BFa&list=PLFF161EC1E93885B2&index=12
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Hi, I am brand new to the concept of Amiga. To be honest I was born the year before Commodore filed bankruptcy, so I really had only heard of Amiga growing up. Recently in frustration, I had given up on linux, windows, and mac. They just don't seem to hold up to the standards of modern technology. So, I met a friend who had Amiga OSXL running on his computer and it was love at first sight.
This may be the wrong place to post this, but how do I go about running Amiga OS on MY PC.
-AmigaChild:lol:
Hi,
To answer your question without telling you about AROS, MORPHOS, etc. Try using Cloanto's Amiga Forever. This uses winuae, which needs windows to run, (yes I know I read your post that you had frustration with windows, but this way if you don't like the Amiga OS system, you can always fall back to windows with no problem.
The first things I run on my computers (PC type) is Windows (XP, Vista, and 7) mostly for games, I don't really trust it for anything else. The second thing I put on my system is Ubuntu (now on 11.XX) really don't like 11 as much as I like 10.10, but will try it for awhile. Then after I put on Ubuntu, I go back to windows and install Cloanto's Amiga Forever. Now sitting right next to my PC is an Amiga 4000, it has been running since 1992 and really keeps all my important information, it has been stable since 1992 and has only lost information once when I typed in format drive (you guessed it I erased my system hard drive) but I always kept a system backup on my work drive and had it re-installed in about 10 minutes.
I am currently looking for a system that will be stable as Amiga OS was, and so far Ubuntu has been taking up most of my new information. It has not crashed for the past 5 years and seems to be the system that I will go to.
So remember the following:
1. Don't ever listen to Karlos, he is a big bully, and is a total disaster.
2. I like Cloanto's Amiga Forever, take a look at it at their web site. (http://www.amigaforever.com)
3. Watch out for Franko, he gives good advice, no matter what anybody says.
4. Piru, is usually a great help and a very nice person.
5. Welcome to the looney bin of Amiga.org. Your source of argumentative information about Amiga. We will argue about anything, anywhere at anytime.
smerf
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So remember the following:
1. Don't ever listen to Karlos, he is a big bully, and is a total disaster.
2. I like Cloanto's Amiga Forever, take a look at it at their web site. (http://www.amigaforever.com)
3. Watch out for Franko, he gives good advice, no matter what anybody says.
4. Piru, is usually a great help and a very nice person.
5. Welcome to the looney bin of Amiga.org. Your source of argumentative information about Amiga. We will argue about anything, anywhere at anytime.
smerf
I disagree.
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" Welcome to the looney bin of Amiga.org. Your source of argumentative information about Amiga. We will argue about anything, anywhere at anytime."
That about sums it up!
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" Welcome to the looney bin of Amiga.org. Your source of argumentative information about Amiga. We will argue about anything, anywhere at anytime."
That about sums it up!
Nonsense. We don't argue about anything. GRRRR... :madashell:
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Hi, I am brand new to the concept of Amiga. To be honest I was born the year before Commodore filed bankruptcy, so I really had only heard of Amiga growing up. Recently in frustration, I had given up on linux, windows, and mac. They just don't seem to hold up to the standards of modern technology. So, I met a friend who had Amiga OSXL running on his computer and it was love at first sight.
This may be the wrong place to post this, but how do I go about running Amiga OS on MY PC.
-AmigaChild:lol:
It's nice to see that even young people (not that I'm feeling old, but I'm not teen anymore :) ) get in touch and appreciate Amiga: it's a way of confirming that our passion and "integralism" :) is not ONLY due to nostalgia or so; there's more under the bonnet!
Well, as someone pointed out, firstly put in your mind what are you gonna do with your "Amiga-like" system: depending on this, the community will tell you the right way to go (real hardware, emulation, x86 Amiga flavours, PPC systems, etc.).
The Amiga world is special, but needs some thinkering for getting near today's "computing requests".
BY!
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Nonsense. We don't argue about anything. GRRRR... :madashell:
An argument isn't just contradiction!
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smerf, I trust my files with BSD-Unix ;)
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Yes it is.
An argument isn't just contradiction!
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So, you all don't argue anymore huh? It looks like you all lost the original poster two pages back....
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Yes it is.
No it's not.
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So, you all don't argue anymore huh? It looks like you all lost the original poster two pages back....
Oh great. We almost came close to inducting a new member into the Amiga community and then Bilgerat makes a post. Bilgerat strikes again :(
;)
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Dunno what you lot are arguing about here... but whatever it is I'm right... :)
PS:Welcome the loony bin erm... sorry forgot who it is now... welcome anyway... :D
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smerf, I trust my files with BSD-Unix ;)
Hi,
@freqmax,
You have me on that one, will have to look it up.
Can you purchase BSD-Unix, or is there a free download some place?
Will have to research.
smerf
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No it's not.
I've told you all before, you're too big to go over my knee!!!!!!!!
Now behave and play nice!
-------- Welcome by the way -------------
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Yes it is.
No it's not.
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Yes it is.
No it's not! *stamps feet*
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So remember the following:
1. Don't ever listen to Karlos...
Smerf is far and away the most intelligent poster here and consequently is always worth listening to and not, as a good many would have you believe, a total waste of space...
:P
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Smerf is far and away the most intelligent poster here and consequently is always worth listening to and not, as a good many would have you believe, a total waste of space...
:P
Talk about a suck up :knuddel:
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Talk about a suck up :knuddel:
Surely even you understood my post was intended as a retort, not a platitude. If not... :lol:
Smerf: never listen to Karlos
<< Implication: whatever Karlos says, assume the opposite >>
Karlos: words of praise for smerf, expressed in terms of bad things he supposedly isn't
<< Implication: smerf is all the bad things outlined in the post >>
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Surely even you understood my post was intended as a retort, not a platitude.
Smerf: never listen to Karlos
<< Implication: whatever Karlos says, assume the opposite >>
Karlos: words of praise for smerf, expressed in terms of bad things he supposedly isn't
<< Implication: smerf is all the bad things outlined in the post >>
WTF! Even after reading the punchline i still don't get it. But surely even you would understand that i was just stirring shit. :lol:
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WTF! Even after reading the punchline i still don't get it.
Somehow, I doubt it, though that could be my inbuilt refusal to accept that anybody capable of reading and posting could be that daft ;)
But surely even you would understand that i was just stirring shit. :lol:
Oh, rest assured, I did. I mean, when was the last time you actually posted something that wasn't just stirring?
Pity Meerschaum / mips_proc wasn't still with us. He could show you how to do it properly. As a troll persona, you're basically crap.
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Somehow, I doubt it, though that could be my inbuilt refusal to accept that anybody capable of reading and posting could be that daft ;)
Oh, rest assured, I did. I mean, when was the last time you actually posted something that wasn't just stirring?
Pity Meerschaum / mips_proc wasn't still with us. He could show you how to do it properly. As a troll persona, you're basically crap.
Nope. Sorry Karlos i read it again and still don't get it (until you explained it).
As for the second part you have a good point :(
ps who's Meerschaum?
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As a troll persona, you're basically crap.
Really? Your persona isn't perfect either. Your ability to tell jokes is also crap, especially If you have to explain the punchline.
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Hi,
Didn't know that Karlos was a PC game player, he will probably agree with me use Cloanto's Amiga Forever, and then when you want to play one of the new games switch to Windows to play the new games.
I heard that Crysis 2 rocks according to Max PC
smerf
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Nonsense. We don't argue about anything. GRRRR... :madashell:
He he he! No, just spirited debates.