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Title: Kickstart Question
Post by: trekiej on May 07, 2011, 09:15:58 PM
What is the first KS that could boot from from an external floppy?
Title: Re: Kickstart Question
Post by: Franko on May 07, 2011, 09:19:15 PM
Pretty sure it was 1.2 but it's been so long ago now I might be wrong... :)
Title: Re: Kickstart Question
Post by: Piru on May 07, 2011, 09:36:12 PM
Quote from: trekiej;636374
What is the first KS that could boot from from an external floppy?

Kickstart 2.0.
Title: Re: Kickstart Question
Post by: trekiej on May 07, 2011, 09:38:23 PM
Thanks, I upgraded my A500 to 3.1 so that I could take advantage of that.
I also have the 1.2 or 1.3 KS.
I wish I could afford a switcher.
Title: Re: Kickstart Question
Post by: Franko on May 07, 2011, 09:45:12 PM
Quote from: Piru;636386
Kickstart 2.0.


Wow... was it as late as 2.0

Gawd me memory's worse than I thought... :)
Title: Re: Kickstart Question
Post by: trekiej on May 07, 2011, 10:13:54 PM
I thought it might have been above 1.X.
Title: Re: Kickstart Question
Post by: Kronos on May 07, 2011, 10:46:11 PM
Now if we get really pedantic (and we all love getting pedantic don't we) it would have been 1.3, as that was the official OS in the CDTV which could boot from external floppy.

O.k. that floppy was still DF0, but we all agreed that being pedantic is just fine ;)
Title: Re: Kickstart Question
Post by: Franko on May 07, 2011, 11:20:58 PM
Quote from: Kronos;636413
Now if we get really pedantic (and we all love getting pedantic don't we) it would have been 1.3, as that was the official OS in the CDTV which could boot from external floppy.

O.k. that floppy was still DF0, but we all agreed that being pedantic is just fine ;)


Nothing pedantic about it, I was pretty sure the ability to do so was around before 2.0 (all be it having nothing to do with the original question but why get technical about such wee matters)... :)

Just glad to know me memory isn't as bad as I thought and I aint losing me marbles yet... :)
Title: Re: Kickstart Question
Post by: Kronos on May 07, 2011, 11:25:20 PM
To be precise:

Kickstart1.x COULD not boot from DF1-3, only DF0.

Where that was mounted is irrelevant.
Title: Re: Kickstart Question
Post by: Matt_H on May 08, 2011, 12:55:43 AM
You could force-boot from an external floppy with Degrader (http://aminet.net/package/util/misc/Degrader) before 2.0.
Title: Re: Kickstart Question
Post by: Motormouth on May 08, 2011, 01:55:28 AM
I remember there use to be a little device chip you could use to disable the internal floppy.  I don't remember the details.

It was used in conjunction with AdIDE in an amiga 500.  One would put the hard drive in the internal floppy's location, and one could boot off an external floppy as df0:

This was definitely in the days of 1.3
Title: Re: Kickstart Question
Post by: Motormouth on May 08, 2011, 01:58:36 AM
I remember wanting the AdIDE, but ended up buying a GVP A500 HD+ instead.
Title: Re: Kickstart Question
Post by: lost_loven on May 08, 2011, 03:55:16 AM
I have a adide and there is no such option on the board to boot from df1:  .. i think there is a terminator (disabler) or something that plugs in the df0: i bet.. I seem to remember there are external drives that have switch's that can select df0 or df1 as a default boot drive for 1.x

lost
Title: Re: Kickstart Question
Post by: mongo on May 08, 2011, 04:14:34 AM
Quote from: Motormouth;636450
I remember there use to be a little device chip you could use to disable the internal floppy.  I don't remember the details.

It was used in conjunction with AdIDE in an amiga 500.  One would put the hard drive in the internal floppy's location, and one could boot off an external floppy as df0:

This was definitely in the days of 1.3


Yeah. It was the ICD Shuffle Board.

http://www.amiga-hardware.com/showhardware.cgi?HARDID=383
Title: Re: Kickstart Question
Post by: smerf on May 08, 2011, 04:16:11 AM
Quote from: trekiej;636374
What is the first KS that could boot from from an external floppy?


Hi,

I really don't know, but Kick Start 1.0 came with my A1000 2 weeks after Commodore Amiga came out.   :-) Then about 3 to 6 months later they came out with KS 1.1.

Hope this helps.

smerf
Title: Re: Kickstart Question
Post by: smerf on May 08, 2011, 04:21:44 AM
Quote from: trekiej;636374
What is the first KS that could boot from from an external floppy?


Oh,

External floppy, you could put KS 1.0 in an external floppy and it would boot, as long as there was nothing in the internal floppy in the A1000, if there was a disk in the internal floppy it would look there, if it was looking for KS and it wasn't in the internal it would search the externals. At least that was how it worked on my A1000. I had three external floppies. Maybe my A1000 was weird since I had so much into it.

smerf
Title: Re: Kickstart Question
Post by: trekiej on May 08, 2011, 07:47:18 AM
If I hear right, ks3.1 should be boot-able from disc.
Title: Re: Kickstart Question
Post by: gertsy on May 08, 2011, 08:23:20 AM
Quote from: smerf;636476
Oh,

External floppy, you could put KS 1.0 in an external floppy and it would boot, as long as there was nothing in the internal floppy in the A1000, if there was a disk in the internal floppy it would look there, if it was looking for KS and it wasn't in the internal it would search the externals. At least that was how it worked on my A1000. I had three external floppies. Maybe my A1000 was weird since I had so much into it.

smerf


Yep, he's not trying to boot kickstart from the external floppy.  He's trying to boot disks from the external floppy.  It would seem KS 2+ is required unless you do a HW mod to your system.