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Title: Broadway 0.0.4 aka Murphy's law is ready
Post by: phoenixkonsole on April 28, 2011, 09:40:37 PM
Done!
Full iso is available since one hour....
http://www.aros-broadway.de

Video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PhUTUz2E7hI&feature=channel_video_title

AROS Broadway 0.0.4 aka „Murphy’s law“
(http://home.arcor.de/phoenixkonsole/ares/files/004desktop.png)

The best version ever! (Every maintainer should say this about his own work : p )
Improved performance and stability
Screen dragging is now even possible with VESA-driver!!!! Yeaahhh!
(http://home.arcor.de/phoenixkonsole/ares/files/004quarantine.png)
JanusUAE is golden and reached 1.0!!!!
Use Broadway now to scan any email attachments or archive you like for viruses.
This is now possible with „Quarantine“
Fixed all bugs known from Broadway 0.0.3 and i feel it could be the last one : )
LogIN-manager 1.2
Added Webapp „Antivir.org“

Fixed:
Quickstarter layout switch works again
Improved Quickstarter performance

Ahh its like seeing the light : )
(http://home.arcor.de/phoenixkonsole/ares/files/004janus.png)

Enjoy it!

Credits have to go to all AROS developers! Deadwood, Oli, ncafferky and staff and many more!
Title: Re: Broadway 0.0.4 aka Murphy's law is ready
Post by: Dwyloc on April 29, 2011, 11:38:39 AM
AROS is looking better and better.

I will need to give Broadway 0.0.4 a try even if the default dark theme made me give up on it the last time I tried it I am sure I can change it to a less dark one that I can read easier.

Thanks again for all the hard work that goes into both developing AROS and developing a distribution to make installing and using it easier.
Title: Re: Broadway 0.0.4 aka Murphy's law is ready
Post by: phoenixkonsole on April 29, 2011, 08:09:26 PM
Hi, here is another tutorial showing the Installation of AmigaForever in order to run JanusUAE (UAE Integration)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtvfmTadXbk

Here is a how to install Broadway video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0k2PEmT8I14
Title: Re: Broadway 0.0.4 aka Murphy's law is ready
Post by: MaximvsPayne on April 30, 2011, 06:32:15 AM
how cool ist that, forget linux - here comes aros with huge steps!!!
Title: Re: Broadway 0.0.4 aka Murphy's law is ready
Post by: MaximvsPayne on April 30, 2011, 06:40:38 AM
It would be cool to have 64bit and arm distributions too. Is anyone porting the videoflyer/toaster software to aros (its open source)?
Title: Re: Broadway 0.0.4 aka Murphy's law is ready
Post by: phoenixkonsole on April 30, 2011, 11:13:44 AM
Hi,

fist sorry for the missing images... http://www.aresone.de is down because there was to much traffic... this does not harm http://www.aros-broadway.de..

The problem is i typed too often the wrong password : ) And now i would need to call a hotline for 1.24€ / minute ....

I will move to another hosting service asap.

I am always testing Aros 64 and if business(if i am allowed to call it as business :roflmao:)  would be better and it would be a bit easier and Hollywood would have been ported already.
So i could only offer a small Distro which includes all available binaries (not much). No quickstarter and no Amistart. And not enough drivers.

ABI v1 is the key.. Since this "new" Aros will need everything to be recompiled we could use this situation to jump to 64bit.
If someone followed the talk in the developerlist: Memory Protection can be done...
http://binarydoodles.ilcannocchiale.it/post/2607003.html
Scroll down to the bigger grey box....

ARM port is essential... It could mean that we get a Amiganoid syste for 99€ : ) But again: Just having ARM AROS is not enough without apps.

The only possible alternative HW to have full Broadway is, believe it or not:
68k
Title: Re: Broadway 0.0.4 aka Murphy's law is ready
Post by: takemehomegrandma on April 30, 2011, 12:36:24 PM
Quote
Broadway 0.0.4 aka Murphy's law is ready


...but what is it? I'm sorry but I know nothing about this, so a short description would be nice! :)
Title: Re: Broadway 0.0.4 aka Murphy's law is ready
Post by: phoenixkonsole on April 30, 2011, 12:49:54 PM
An AROS Distribution.

Here is a bad translation : ) :
http://translate.google.de/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&sl=de&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fde.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FAROS_Broadway&act=url
Title: Re: Broadway 0.0.4 aka Murphy's law is ready
Post by: XDelusion on May 01, 2011, 05:24:41 AM
I can't stand the lay out of the desk top. Yeeesshhhh!!!!

Regardless, I do not fail to realise the hard work you guy(s) have put into this! And for that I must commend you! Also it is great to see that Janus is all set and ready to roar!!!!
Title: Re: Broadway 0.0.4 aka Murphy's law is ready
Post by: saimon69 on May 01, 2011, 07:30:37 PM
@phoenixkonsole

the article is still in progress in my free time, please ask the AROS staff and pavel to review it.. :)

Saimon69
Title: Re: Broadway 0.0.4 aka Murphy's law is ready
Post by: smerf on May 01, 2011, 11:52:54 PM
Quote from: saimon69;634730
@phoenixkonsole

the article is still in progress in my free time, please ask the AROS staff and pavel to review it.. :)

Saimon69


Hi,

Here is my review of the new Broadway.

I installed it on a Toshiba Satellite laptop which has 512 mb of memory, 1.1ghz cpu and a 16 gig CF drive.

Time for load up is less than 30 seconds, but at least 10 of that is the Toshiba splash screen.
At first look, when loaded it looks really cool, how does it work?

Well on this system I first tried Doom, Doom booted up really fast, but upon playing there was no sound (probably because the Toshiba satellite needed special sound drivers (but, I didn't have this problem with Ubuntu 10.10).

Now lets get on to Networking, and cruising the Net, once again utter failure. ( I don't see why all Amiga programmers have to stick with the old Amiga protocol, AFTER ALL MOST COMPUTER SYSTEMS HAVE PROGRESSED WHERE SETTING UP A NETWORK IS JUST ABOUT AUTOMATIC) once again, the sound, networking REALLY SUCK AND ROT. I have tried to adjust this for two days now this weekend, no joy.

Ok, if you can play your games with no sound and really don't like the internet on some systems, then this isn't for you.

If you want to buy a system that has the hardware specified by the makers of this program, and don't mind spending money on ancient stuff so you can get this OS running on a rig, then be my guest.
C+ for effort.
but
Need to upgrade your parts list and make it see and notice new hardware used in modern day systems (after all this is 2011, not 1993).

Looks really cool on my laptop (oldest system I have in the house), but failed to have an internet connection on all 3 of my modern day computers and one old computer.  

This still needs a ton of development.  

The AROS Broadway is a total waste of a good CD, but an improvement over the last AROS I tried, at least it lit up the screen and gave me something nice to look at.

smerf
Title: Re: Broadway 0.0.4 aka Murphy's law is ready
Post by: kolla on May 02, 2011, 12:54:32 AM
@Smerf
So why not just make sure you have supported hardware?
Title: Re: Broadway 0.0.4 aka Murphy's law is ready
Post by: smerf on May 02, 2011, 01:21:30 AM
Quote from: kolla;634760
@Smerf
So why not just make sure you have supported hardware?


Hi,

To answer your question? That would probably be the easiest solution, but with all the computers I have (about 3 laptops, 3 really modern up to date computers, 3 slightly out of date computers, and one Dell, of which I have no problem running Linux on. You would think that the makers of this OS would at least support some of the more modern day boards and systems. Maybe they are and I am just doing something wrong, I dunno, anyone else out there try this on their system.

I tried it on a Q6600, 4 gig ram, ATI Radeon 5570, XFX motherboard, it ran but could not use the internet, but had sound.

I also tried it on a AMD 1090T with MSI with 4 gig ram, ran but no internet, but I had sound.

The Dell as always couldn't do nothing.

My old AMD 3700+ with an ASUS board, and a Sapphire 3850, no picture.

Why don't the authors of this software actually put up what they are using?
Maybe I will have to go up in the attic and get some of my really ancient stuff out.

smerf
Title: Re: Broadway 0.0.4 aka Murphy's law is ready
Post by: rdolores on May 02, 2011, 03:54:36 AM
I tried the older version of Broadway and Icaros Desktop on an old Dell GX280.  The onboard audio (AC97 driver) worked fine.  For the the NIC, I found an old 3Com card.  For video, I got a cheap NVidia GS8400.  It works great, including scrollable screens.  Other specs include 3.2 GHz HyperThreading CPU, 2 GB RAM, and an 80 GB drive with 2 equal partitions.  Browsing on OWB works well.  Playing audio and videos on MPlayer is great.  Also, installed and ran Janus-UAE with AmigaForever's standard Workbench 3.1.  Milky Tracker and most other programs I tried worked.  I was even able to Remote Desktop into my Windows 7 PC.  It really has come along way in terms of stability and useability.  I can't wait to try out the new version soon.
Title: Re: Broadway 0.0.4 aka Murphy's law is ready
Post by: mingle on May 02, 2011, 04:57:23 AM
I'd love to give it a go, but I can't seem to download it...

I get part-way through the download, then it quits... Tried 3 times now.

Firefox 3.6.17 on XP...

Mike.
Title: Re: Broadway 0.0.4 aka Murphy's law is ready
Post by: XDelusion on May 02, 2011, 04:59:27 AM
You might want to try a download manager. They help big time with slow downloads that cancel out all the time.
Title: Re: Broadway 0.0.4 aka Murphy's law is ready
Post by: haywirepc on May 02, 2011, 05:34:30 AM
To those having trouble with hardware and AROS. I've posted this many many times...
 
Back in the day linux was very much like AROS is now. If you really wanted a linux computer,you had to hand pick components like network cards, sound cards and video cards due to the limited amount of drivers available at the time. Just about any motherboard and intel or amd processor would work. AROS is alot like that now.
 
If you really want to have an aros box that works fantastic, you have to have a few things that I would reccomend.
 
1) Any intel or amd based computer with 3 pci slots or 2 pci slots and an agp slot.
2) 3 supported cards, one for network, one for sound, one for video that you put into the computer you want to use.
 
I use a nvidia fx550, a soundblaster live and an intelpro 100 net card.
 
These 3 cards will cost you about 20-30$ each (or less!) on ebay. They are listed on the aros hardware list as directly supported. If you use supported hardware listed, AROS will install and run FANTASTIC on just about any computer, with sound, network and accellerated video all working right from initial installation, with very little tweaking.
 
No it will not work out of the box on many pc's without using supported components. All generic pcs use different chipsets, components, sound card chips and so on. There is NO WAY that the limited aros developers can create drivers for every pc under the sun.
 
I think spending 50 or 60 bucks on supported pci or agp video cards, a network card and a sblive soundcard can save you heaps of hair pulling.
In my view its a very small price to pay, and I don't think its asking too much to make users select from the supported hardware list.
 
To be clear, I've used the same component cards on 3 different pcs, first a 1400mhz gateway pc, then a 2ghz dell pc, and finally, a 3ghz dell.
AROS works great on EVERY computer I've tried it on, so long as I could install the supported components.
 
Trust me, its really worth a couple of bucks to get the supported components and it will still be the least expensive NG amiga you can get, and in my view the best of the available flavors, but then I'm biased.
 
There is work being done so more laptops can be supported, but for desktop pc's almost any desktop pc can take components AROS directly supports.
 
Steven
Title: Re: Broadway 0.0.4 aka Murphy's law is ready
Post by: paolone on May 02, 2011, 10:27:46 AM
Quote from: smerf;634758
Now lets get on to Networking, and cruising the Net, once again utter failure. ( I don't see why all Amiga programmers have to stick with the old Amiga protocol, AFTER ALL MOST COMPUTER SYSTEMS HAVE PROGRESSED WHERE SETTING UP A NETWORK IS JUST ABOUT AUTOMATIC) once again, the sound, networking REALLY SUCK AND ROT. I have tried to adjust this for two days now this weekend, no joy.

Ok, if you can play your games with no sound and really don't like the internet on some systems, then this isn't for you.

So you're basically evaluating AROS on unsupported hardware, or on supported hardware you aren't able to configure. I don't know exactly what makes your opinion worth a single read.
Title: Re: Broadway 0.0.4 aka Murphy's law is ready
Post by: phoenixkonsole on May 02, 2011, 02:24:08 PM
Hmm, sorry for advertising but this is a machine exclusively build to run AROS. http://www.vesalia.de/e_aresone2011.htm
 
Take MacOS X as "big" example... there you can't use everything too.
So AROS isn't bad. If you wan't it you can build a compatible PC or if you don't wan't to spend the time/work and are fine to pay for the service you could visit vesalia. Don't forget the imica which is an mini itx machine.
 
Stephen (imica) has spend a lot money too. And to be honest it is better to give money to AROS promotors and pushers imo.
 
Building it by an local store is also possible.. but the money is lost in the PC-world. Those dealers give a sh***t on AROS or Amiga... so no win there for us.
 
I am proud that more people are ready to test AROS (in any form IcAROS/Aspire/Broadway/nightly)
 
BTW: At some point we will have working USB-Wifi... wait and if you like buy one.
 
One thing more:
I don't believe that installing a (3rd Party) Network driver in Windows takes less mouse-clicks than choosing a device from AROS Network-prefs with a double click... sorry mate.
 
See this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tow0nHIbR38&feature=relmfu
 
Click,2xclick, click done. No restart.
 
Now try this with Windows and your Mainboard driver CD.
 
Autostart(wait)->choose what to install/ click on install ->agreee -> ok-> yes you damn PC, please reboot -> reboot -> done.
 
So what is bad about AROS?
 
One thing about Broadway:
It is preconfigured for AresOne and Imica means:
No configuration of Network or sound is needed.
Title: Re: Broadway 0.0.4 aka Murphy's law is ready
Post by: ncafferkey on May 03, 2011, 10:12:59 PM
@smerf

You seem to know all the details of your systems' CPUs, but strangely nothing about their network chipsets. If you could tell us what they are, we could tell you what drivers you need to use. It's unlikely that none of them have a supported NIC.

Also, you suggest that AROS should support all modern components as if it was just a matter of adding a line to a config file for each. Linux needs hundreds of programmers to achieve the level of driver support it has. You might be surprised to hear that we don't have that many driver programmers.
Title: Re: Broadway 0.0.4 aka Murphy's law is ready
Post by: smerf on May 04, 2011, 02:15:04 AM
Quote from: ncafferkey;635200
@smerf

You seem to know all the details of your systems' CPUs, but strangely nothing about their network chipsets. If you could tell us what they are, we could tell you what drivers you need to use. It's unlikely that none of them have a supported NIC.

Also, you suggest that AROS should support all modern components as if it was just a matter of adding a line to a config file for each. Linux needs hundreds of programmers to achieve the level of driver support it has. You might be surprised to hear that we don't have that many driver programmers.


Hi,

Understand what you are saying.

Really should take into consideration that the AROS people are really trying hard to get this system going, sometimes being around Linux with it's millions of supporters makes you forget that the AROS people are really doing an excellent job. I am working on my AMD 3700+ computer now, reinstalling it in another case for an experimental Dos computer, will look into putting parts in there that are AROS capable.

Believe it or not I am really excited about Broadway, from what I see on the screen it looks exciting, now if I can get the sound and networking going, I may leave this computer set up with AROS. I guess what happened was I really got into this after seeing it on you tube. Got really disappointed when it wouldn't work with my newer systems. You know it is like that TV commercial,

I WANT MY AROS, AND I WANT IT NOW

Accept my apologies, haven't given up, will try to get right hardware. What I really need is probably peace and quiet when I work on this system, then settling down and concentrating on what I am doing.

Lets face it I have gotten lazy, Ubuntu just about set up everything for you automatically, and Windows sets up everything automatically and then crashes.

Once again accept my apologies.

smerf
Title: Re: Broadway 0.0.4 aka Murphy's law is ready
Post by: smerf on May 04, 2011, 02:21:18 AM
@ncafferkey (darn can you make it harder to spell)

Hi,

Sorry, I mess around with so many computers and OS systems each day that you are definitely right. I will have to find my books and look up at what kind of networking cards they have. Once again networking on most Linux systems and networking on Windows systems (XP, Vista, and 7) are automatic. Don't really have to know what type of nics they are using. I am going to have to go back to old school and read on what they really have.

smerf