Have they confirmed the post is from him yet? I do suspect someone could be pulling a prank.
I doubt the AWN staff would post it as news if they didn't confirm it first.
Don't know why Jorit2, perhaps he forgot the password to Jorit account?
unprofessional in tone, certainly not how I'd expect a high ranking member of a company to conduct themselves.
They (Evert/Hyperion maybe even Trevor) could have denied it by this time... it's been up for some time now. So it's probably genuine... The really interesting question is what really happend for him to leave?
They (Evert/Hyperion maybe even Trevor) could have denied it by this time... it's been up for some time now. So it's probably genuine... The really interesting question is what really happend for him to leave?
Also, the wording of the message is rather unprofessional in tone, certainly not how I'd expect a high ranking member of a company to conduct themselves.
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This is how I've found all Hyperion representatives to act.
Says the MorphOS representative with a habit of spamming OS4 related threads in a blatant attempt at promoting his own product, at least when Hyperion Reps / developers
were active on the forums they usually stuck with discussing their own stuff and were not obsessed with nitpicking and at undermining others.
Says the MorphOS representative with a habit of spamming OS4 related threads in a blatant attempt at promoting his own product
Care to back that claim up somehow?
Hyperion representatives on the other hand have been highly unprofessional on numerous occasions, the worst offender being Ben Hermans: http://www.biclodon.com/misc/amigafarm/benhermans/.
Evert is best remembered for referring to AROS as "probably illegal".
That's not what I know him for. I don't know if he did or did not say that, but I think that other things he'd done/said are far more memorable to me than your maybe AROS thing.
Mr Evert is of course famous for this unfortunate and misguided comment of AROS being "probably illegal".
Regardless, the project was renamed.
"AROS: Renaming project
According to Aaron Digulla, initiator of the open source code operating system AROS, the name "Amiga" will be deleted from the project name because of the legal steps of Amiga Inc. against Hyperion."
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Evert Carton, one of two known managing partners at Hyperion, has stepped down and in fact claims to have completely abandoned the Amiga scene. Evert is best remembered for referring to AROS as "probably illegal".
http://amigaworld.net/modules/news/article.php?storyid=5904&start=0
This doesn't make sense. How does Amiga Inc sueing Hyperion force AROS to change it's name?
In fact if you go to morphos-team today, you will not find the name "Amiga" except for in "amigaguide.library"
Quote from: jorkany;633398Evert is best remembered for referring to AROS as "probably illegal".
That's not what I know him for. I don't know if he did or did not say that, but I think that other things he'd done/said are far more memorable to me than your maybe AROS thing.
I recall that quote was in one of leaked emails in Amiga vs Hyperion trial.
As was BB IMO. Why can't we let this rest ?Buck was unprofessional in numerous occasions as well.
Does that mean I cannot call the bull manure spewed about me?
Buck was unprofessional in numerous occasions as well.
Does that mean I cannot call the bull manure spewed about me?
If you don't mind of giving an unprofessional impression of you and MorphOS as well.
greets,
Staf.
Who or what Evert Carton (odd name !!!)
If you don't mind of giving an unprofessional impression of you and MorphOS as well.I don't think I'm being unprofessional here (but I certainly have been on some occasions). Going on spreading misinformation and lies would be. Also I consider going to the bottom of things to be professional. Leaving some matter unsolved or dangling in the air is unprofessional. So I would really like to know how I have supposedly spammed OS4 threads in order to promote MorphOS.
BTW who is managing Hyperion now?
Who or what Evert Carton (odd name !!!) is or was ...
This is what came to mind when I saw the name the first time:
Evert - transitive verb: overthrow, upset
(http://www.batzz.com/images/overthrow.jpg)
Carton - noun: a box or container usually made of cardboard and often of corrugated cardboard
(http://stevecotler.com/tales/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/egg-carton.jpg)
This is what came to mind when I saw the name the first time:
Evert - transitive verb: overthrow, upset
(http://www.batzz.com/images/overthrow.jpg)
Carton - noun: a box or container usually made of cardboard and often of corrugated cardboard
(http://stevecotler.com/tales/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/egg-carton.jpg)
Quote from: jorkany;633398Evert is best remembered for referring to AROS as "probably illegal".
That's not what I know him for. I don't know if he did or did not say that, but I think that other things he'd done/said are far more memorable to me than your maybe AROS thing.
Such as...?
BTW who is managing Hyperion now?
Who is this evert cartoon character? Contributions to Amiga?
Yes, but if I browse through my MorphOS setup (startup's etc.) I'll find - of course - stuff like "Kickstart" or "Workbench" all over, which is needed for backwards compability. Both names are copyrighted, though. Same is/might be true for AROS. Does ReactOS have a "windows32.dll" (or similar)? :-)
Evert provided more details. See post #40 in the thread on AW.
http://amigaworld.net/modules/news/article.php?storyid=5904&start=39
Ahh... so "Evert Carton" really means "Overthrow the Eggbox"... :D
So let me get this right now... Everad Cartoon Maker The 3rd or whatever he/she/it or whats'is'name is has retarded from Hyperion for whom he/she/it/what worked for a wee while but never owned or used an Amiga or had any interest in the Amiga... :confused:
So what did Englbert Carboardboxpacker actually do at Hypreion ??? perhaps he/she/it/what was in charge of recycling packaging or summit, or maybe he/she/it/what was the Janitor or even the Janitors cat... :)
Evert was the sales manager for quite some time. Keep in mind that Hyperion was a game republishing company for a few years before they got involved with OS4.
and...
What's this got to do the price of lumbago in the darkest reaches of southern Peckham... :confused:
I'd never even heard of Evlin Cagagoogoo before this thread appeared, so what's all the fuss about is he/she/it/what gawd or something... :confused:
Because Evert represented somewhere from 25% - 50% of Hyperion. Also, he was a co-founder of Hyperion, the other founder being Ben Hermans.
It's also a little strange that he would decide to publicly announce he was leaving after having been pretty much out of the loop for the last few years. If most didn't know who he was and that he worked at Hyperion, then why even bring it up now?
Why not bring it up? The chap wanted to say "goodbye" and that's it. I bet he wishes he hadn't bothered now.
You still doing OS4 and AROS development?
I have to admit, it seems folks are having a field day with this. I could understand it if it were the case that Hyperion Entertainment had turned round and said "so long and thanks for all the fish" but that's not what has happened. Well, at least not yet anyway though I'm sure some folk still live in hope.
Yep, some have been adding 2 plus 2 to make 5 while others have come up with conspiracy theories that would make Oliver Stone shiver. :D
There's no real conspiracy here. Just a lot of BS. Bill MCEwen and Hyperion have managed to lay claim to ownership of AmigaOS and have many of you convinced that this is a valid claim.
As AmigaInc. licensed trademarks from Gateway, not intellectual property this claim is patently false.
Gateway clearly stated that they continued to own said properties.
Again, AInc is a licensee of trademarks NOT the owner of any of the intellectual properties involved in the original Amigas.
This is not a conspiracy, it is an act of fraud.
There's no real conspiracy here. Just a lot of BS. Bill MCEwen and Hyperion have managed to lay claim to ownership of AmigaOS and have many of you convinced that this is a valid claim.
As AmigaInc. licensed trademarks from Gateway, not intellectual property this claim is patently false.
Gateway clearly stated that they continued to own said properties.
Again, AInc is a licensee of trademarks NOT the owner of any of the intellectual properties involved in the original Amigas.
This is not a conspiracy, it is an act of fraud.
So is there any reason why a certain Judge couldn't work this all out? I mean, any other reason other than you being wrong that is?
"There's no real conspiracy here. Just a lot of BS. Bill MCEwen and Hyperion have managed to lay claim to ownership of AmigaOS and have many of you convinced that this is a valid claim. As AmigaInc. licensed trademarks from Gateway, not intellectual property this claim is patently false. Gateway clearly stated that they continued to own said properties.
Again, AInc is a licensee of trademarks NOT the owner of any of the intellectual properties involved in the original Amigas."
This is one of the major reasons why anyone claiming to own amiga ip or amiga os especially is a flat out fraud. Gateway never released the ownership of amiga ip, simply liscenced its use to other parties.
This is why I say anyone who wants to distribute amiga os roms, or amiga os disks even, is free to do so. Gateway could care less.
Silly Billy and every other amiga grave robber would like you to think differently, but that is fraud, not real. They always play this game when someone asks them to prove ownership of amiga ip like "I won't prove I do own it, you prove I don't." Its ridiculous.
In regard to Evert, Good luck with all your future endeavors. Maybe he'll go back to Linux ports?
Steven
So Darrin, why do you think Amiga Inc. decided to forgo a judges decision and agree to a settlement with Hyperion?
Because it was mutually beneficial to both of them. Bill gets to continue to pretend that he owns something (granting licenses to something that he himself was only a licensee of).
And Hyperion solidifies its claim to the development of AOS by mutually agreeing that AInc. owns 3.1.
But where is the original transfer of that property to AInc?
Simple, it doesn't exist.
Prove me wrong.
You can't. Amiga Inc is a sham. It owns nothing. The only thing it could have acquired from past corporations is what Amino originally purchased, a license to use a trademark.
Hmmm... this thread was supposed to be about poor wee Everton Carbuncles retirement from he/her/its/whats job or whatever at Hyperactive... :confused:
So how did the subject get onto AmigaSTIncK and copymerights/IPees and all that malarky !!!
It's dark in here... I'm going to hard boil one of me chocolate easter eggs... now where did I leave those matches... :)
Hmmm... this thread was supposed to be about poor wee Everton Carbuncles retirement from he/her/its/whats job or whatever at Hyperactive... :confused:
So how did the subject get onto AmigaSTIncK and copymerights/IPees and all that malarky !!!
It's dark in here... I'm going to hard boil one of me chocolate easter eggs... now where did I leave those matches... :)
Sorry, back to the tribute to Eric Cantona...
What's going on here? First you knew about the existence of Doctor Who and now you know about Eric Cantona? What gives? :confused:
I thought Americans knew the world inside and out, until they steped outside then they are as blind as a bat :roflmao:
Oi! I'm Welsh! I just live in the USA. :D
I'm not a real Cajun. I still have all my teeth, I only have 10 toes and I don't regard family reunions as a chance to score with chicks. :D
My grandfather was Welsh which probably means we are related :eek:
Do you find sheep attractive and regard mint sauce as a lubricant? :p
But where is the original transfer of that property to AInc?
Simple, it doesn't exist.
Prove me wrong.
You can't. Amiga Inc is a sham. It owns nothing. The only thing it could have acquired from past corporations is what Amino originally purchased, a license to use a trademark.
Sorry, back to the tribute to Eric Cantona...
I'm eating pancakes!
"San Diego-based Gateway will retain ownership of all Amiga patents acquired when it purchased the bankrupt company. "
I think thats pretty clear, amino bought the name and amiga.com website, not the patents or ip.
Steven
"San Diego-based Gateway will retain ownership of all Amiga patents acquired when it purchased the bankrupt company. "
I think thats pretty clear, amino bought the name and amiga.com website, not the patents or ip.
Steven
Trademarks, logos, copyrights went to Amiga Inc along with Amiga inventory.
Wait, so Gateway still owns all the patents and intellectual property related to the Amiga? But Amiga, Inc just owns the "Amiga name" and website?Amiga patents are worthless now. As Dammy has pointed out, most have expired or relate to dead technology.
Fuckkkkk. Cause that means Acer now owns all the Amiga patents and ip since they own Gateway. My dreams of winning the lotto, buying out Amiga, Inc, kicking Bill McEwen to the curb and resurrecting the classic hardware/OS and actually give it back to the people just went down the drain.
The only thing Acer has is the hardware patents which the vast majority (if not all) have expired. Trademarks, logos, copyrights went to Amiga Inc along with Amiga inventory.
Your evidence for this is????
Actually, the article while informative (sort of) still gives us no clear idea who owns the OS.
It clearly does not mention anything other than trademarks being transferred to Amino. and it only mentions patents as being retained by Gasteway.
This leaves the status of the OS as an unknown.
And, as I've mentioned before, Amiga Inc. has never produced any documentation proving they own the OS.
Actually, the article while informative (sort of) still gives us no clear idea who owns the OS.
It clearly does not mention anything other than trademarks being transferred to Amino. and it only mentions patents as being retained by Gasteway.
This leaves the status of the OS as an unknown.
And, as I've mentioned before, Amiga Inc. has never produced any documentation proving they own the OS.
Although a matter of curiosity for most, they could/would not supply proof to developers who required that proof either.
Jens Schoenfeld is one example from April 2007:
"Bill McEwen, who hasn't been able to give any proof of ownership of the classic Amiga OS in the past 20 months, who wanted to send me contracts "by the end of the week" (that was in february),"
This is a pretty typical response btw.
Also there is a war going on between John Grzymala, Chief Financial Officer and Controller of Hakia, Inc . and also acting on behalf of the Kouri Family Trust vs McEwen, and that should surely be obvious to all at this point, since Itec is the first secured creditor of Amiga Inc.
"Garry: Itec has been an investor in Amiga since the purchase of the assets from Gateway. It remains an investor today. Itec is also the Senior (first place) Secured Creditor of Amiga Inc."
That complicates the speculation, since even if you determine Amiga Inc. owns something, then you have to discover which entity within Amiga Inc. you are talking about.
Oh the irony of the Pluritas site (supposedly selling the AI assets) being listed by google as "compromised". They touched Amiga Inc., and compromise should be expected. Heh.
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Ahh... so "Evert Carton" really means "Overthrow the Eggbox"... :DOh bunch of locals...
I'm all for that... never liked them Xbox thingies anyway... :)
Oh bunch of locals...
Evert is a Dutch name. It means Boar-heart (wild boars were the lions of pre-roman times, as these creatures were big and verocious)
There's a very simple way to find out who actually own the rights to Amiga kickstart/OS etc...
Put the WorkBench disk images and the KickStart ROM image files up on a website for free download... :)
Then simply wait for whomever claims to own them to take the appropriate legal action and actually pursue it all the way to a court of law... :)
I've already done this and not once did I get a genuine complaint from anyone claiming to own the Kickstart ROM Images or WorkBench Disk Sets, the only complaints I got were from the dickhead copyright mafia on forums such as this screaming blue murder about piracy... :lol:
I'd personally bet my house on the fact that even if someone emerged from the shadows claiming to own the Copyright/IP on these things and they were challenged in a court of law that none of the claims would either be able to be proven nor have any legal basis on which to stand... ;)
Trouble is certain folks in Amigaland are nothing but a bunch of big fearties who cower like chickens when it comes to proving and putting an end to all this BS/ speculation & myths surrounding just who has a legal claim to what when it comes to the Amiga... :)
Thanks 6,
This tends to reinforce my doubts that AInc. actual owns the property. And as far as licenses for patents are concerned, the OS is not patented it is a property.
The patents are irrelevant as they have expired and AInc has never offered proof of the contention that they licensed these either.
And does anyone know what Pluritas is selling? The only asset I am 100% sure of (outside of the trademarks) is AmigaDE, and that is not a particularly valuable asset.
Looking at the original press release, one could conclude that is the one item they intended to keep working on.
"Amiga Inc., who is also actively seeking investment capital to fund the ongoing development of their enabling technologies"
Source (http://www.benzinga.com/press-releases/10/11/b566868/pluritas-engaged-by-amiga-inc-to-market-the-global-ip-rights-to-the-ico)
If that's the case, then at the time they surely thought they had more to sell than that, imo.
btw, I would be shocked if you could contact Pluritas and just get your answer as to what is offered.
More likely you would be asked to supply a lot of information first.
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That was announced back when Amiga Inc bought (in adition, licenses for Amiga patents) Amiga from GW (now Acer). What was that, 11 years ago?
Brilliant idea Franko.
It would require someone willing to stand up to a legal challenge, but it could help resolve this matter.
This idea deserves a thread of its own, possibly sticky.
It seems amiga inc hasn't been averse to some debt dodging in the past, so who knows.
Of course, there may also be a disconnect between what they think they own, and what they actually do own. As long as nobody challenges them on it, (and who would?) all is peachy for them.
You said a mouthful. Hence the war I mentioned. Not all parties who were a part of Amiga Inc. will see things the same way. You can bank on that.
Debts? I don't get involved in that, save where it concerns all the unpaid developers, who have been raped repeatedly by this bunch. Developers are often a mild mannered group of people in general and avoid the public fora to state how they have been treated over the years.
Although I've received hints at times to stop defending them, I see no valid reason why I should...
I'm not just talking about Bolton here. There is quite an extensive list.
I'm not content to accept the constant argument that what was done was legal and therefore there is no moral obligation in place that holds any water vs that.
And yeah, I've heard the argument about them knowing what they were getting themselves into as well. Irrelevant.
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I'm up for it... ;)
Never had anyone (including the British Government) that has challenged me on something "legal" and who didn't back down before it went to court cos they knew they didn't have a leg to stand on... :)
Trouble is for such a thing to get noticed properly you need the copyright mafia to stop their pathetic whining and demand that any links to my site be removed cos it may damage Amiga.org... :(
It needs as much exposure as possible for anyone who thinks they can genuinely claim to own these rights to notice it and take the appropriate action if they think they can prove it legally... :)
It's the whiners/ know alls and crapbags that need to keep their gobs shut and then maybe, just maybe the good folks of Amigaland can put an end to all this nonsense once and for all... :)
Please consider it.
While I wholly back Hyperion's right to market AOS4, I'm beginning to believe that previous versions of AmigaOS may not have a valid owner.
That is not possible. People might dispute who owns it, but the fact is that somebody owns it.
Yeah... but that's the question we all want answered "Who does own what ???"... ;)
Of course with all the grey/ shady and murky dealings over the years it may actually be proven in a court of law that "no-one" can actually now claim full rights on any of it after the whole shambles and "grey" dealings that have gone on over the years... :)
Myself I really couldn't care less about folk making such stuff free to download until someone steps forward and proves to the world that they actually own it, until that day then most likely these debates will continue as nothing more than speculation and rumours that for some odd reason we here in Amigaland seem to love so much... :)
As I've said simply make the stuff available on enough websites and see if anyone steps forward to challenge it, and forget about USA laws that may be upcoming, USA law does not apply to the rest of the planet as some would have you believe... ;)
Marg bar Amrika! ;)
That is not possible. People might dispute who owns it, but the fact is that somebody owns it.
There's a fine line between who the IP belongs to and whom fanatics feverently hope it belongs to (or wish it belongs to or believe it belongs to). Who owns AmigaOS? I myself don't give a fig; it isn't like we're talking about the sources to Windows 7 or a videotape copy of The Day the Clown Cried. Odds are there's something locked up in a filing cabinet somewhere in the offices occupied by whomever succeeded Gateway (Acer, was it?) and nearly 20 years down the pike with no substantive improvements over the C= produced OS (the PD bundles of 3.5 and 3.9 aside...) they likely don't care.
An interesting point. Are the ownership rights to a piece of software perpetual? And can software owned by a defunct company be transferred legally without consideration of any debts the company may carry?
Do you understand how bankruptcy works?
Far better then most people. And once a company's assets are liqidated and all debts are discharged they cease to exist.
Therefore, if is not possible for a former official to sign a valid contract transferring intellectual property two years after bankruptcy.
Such an act would constitute fraud.
Far better then most people. And once a company's assets are liqidated and all debts are discharged they cease to exist.
Therefore, if is not possible for a former official to sign a valid contract transferring intellectual property two years after bankruptcy.
Such an act would constitute fraud.
In amiga circles, I believe "fraud" is usually phrased as "marketing strategy"
The contracts were signed to correct an oversight that occurred during the original transfer of assets.
If you don't mind of giving an unprofessional impression of you and MorphOS as well.
Amiga patents are as relevant to the computer industry as Steam Engine patents are to the aviation industry :)
That's kinda funny, considering how air planes are catapulted from air craft carriers using steam engines, and they for sure have lots of patents attached.My point wasn't that steam technology was totally irrelevant to the aviation industry, only that most patents relating to steam technology expired years ago or covers things that have been superseded :)
That's kinda funny, considering how air planes are catapulted from air craft carriers using steam engines, and they for sure have lots of patents attached.
New US built aircraft carriers have the old steam cats replaced with something more modern: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_Aircraft_Launch_System
Iggy,
You are making a lot of statements about what is and is not "valid", or what constitutes "fraud" and such, what are you going to do about it? Are you so sure about your claims that you are willing to do anything about it, or are you just stirring the pot and trying to get a rise out of some people (in response to the allegations that were made about the legality of MorphOS)?
As you know, I am an avid MorphOS supporter, but I can't see anything good coming out of your statements and assumptions that you are stating as facts. Prove your statements in court, or think again about what your motives are for this thread and also think about what outcome you expect to happen by starting threads like this one.
I support you on many other ideas and threads, but not this one.
Even after this thread being up for days, I still read it as, "Every Cartoon leaves Hyperion" which STILL makes me laugh. I need serious psych help...:roflmao:
PS- Just started using Chrome. It is so much faster then Exploer even the smiley anims move faster!!!:laughing:
The first cats were hydraulic, some even had counterweights to launch (very light)planes.
The Brits were the smartest(Sea Harrier). Too bad they associated themselves into the crazy world of Lockheed Martin and F-35(JSF) project, Harrier still had(has) place to grow.
Well, they always build interceptors and multi-use craft to counter threats that no other power besides China could field :lol:
Stealth? OK, fine - works great for knocking out anti-aircraft installations...but then again, so does a cruise missile. As for the US Navy, all they need for a battle group interceptor is a plane that can load up as many pershing missiles as possible.
er..sorry bout that. /ramble off.
Care to back that claim up somehow?
I have expressed my critical opinion of OS4 (and other) hardware on several occasions but I don't think that qualifies as "spamming in a blatant attempt at promoting his own product". If you care to challenge any of the arguments I've presented in those threads, please do so.
Hyperion representatives on the other hand have been highly unprofessional on numerous occasions, the worst offender being Ben Hermans: http://www.biclodon.com/misc/amigafarm/benhermans/. Mr Evert is of course famous for this unfortunate and misguided comment of AROS being "probably illegal".
as it turns out stealth isnt a huge difference when the opposition is a bunch of goat herders