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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Software Issues and Discussion => Topic started by: DGB on December 21, 2003, 03:53:04 PM
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Hi All,
Some of you may have read my earlier posts regarding resurecting my 2000's from zero. If not, what it amounts to is that I started with corrupted hard drives and a bunch of other little problems. I am happy to report that I now have a reasonable system up and running with a 3.1 ROM and OS 3.1 on it. Yesterday I tried to install OS 3.9 from the CD. This is a legal original copy that I bought over a year ago online from a well know dealer complete with manual, (albeit not much of a manual). The install process crashed repeatedly. Since I have been able to copy from the CD to floppies and run small programs from the CD I have pretty much ruled out hardware as the problem. Each time I try to install it I got a software failure window that said "Program failed Error #80000003 - wait for disk activity to finnish" and then gave me the option of "SUSPEND" or "REBOOT" Since there is a " c/install on the hard drive as well as the CD I have no idea which one is the problem or if the wrong one is being used. I am wondering if there is another way to go about the install process to get around this problem.
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Hi DGB,
first create the Emergency Disk (from AmigaOS3.9-Installation).
Boot from the Emergency Disk (that will ask you the AOS3.9 CD) an try to install AOS 3.9 from there.
Do A "Full Installation" and NOT an upgrade.
Ciao
EDIT- mhhh!! i'm not 100% sure, if the floppy disk for the Emergency disk, must be a HD one.
Mine is 1.5 MB in size, but there are some extra stuff on it.
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Been there, tried that. The emergency disk function does not work either. It could be that because I have the old low density drives that it won't work but I doubt it because it doesn't even try. As a a matter of fact the CD is not as the documentation says it is. On the CD there is no "CREATE EMERGENCY DISK" function to click on as the documentation states. There is however an icon titled "Emergency Boot". It opens a window which is really a drawer containing files that would be on a boot disk. I may try copying them to a disk or disks and see what that does.
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Hi DGB,
are you sure that is an original AOS 3.9 CD?
AFAIK, there is no paper doc bundled with the OS3.9 CD (almost not with mine) but some resellers, has done a little printed manual to help the users.
Anyway the "Create Emergency Disk" option ,is inside the Main "AmigaOS3.9-installation" icon.(that is in AmigaOS3.9:OS-Version3.9 dir)
Start those icon and you should see the "Create Emergency Disk" option.
When you insert the AOS3.9 CD, you should see:
1-CDDA icon
1-AmigaOS3.9 icon
1-Emergency-Boot icon
Can you see it?
Which CD filesystem do you have?
On the CD, there is a full CacheCDFS (OS-version3.9/CacheDCFS)
Ciao
PS- try to run SnoopDos during the installation attempting.
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FIRST ANSWER:
As I stated in my original post it is original. It is a factory made CD with a commercially applied label. It is not a burned copy. I do know the difference.
SECOND:
Inside the CD lewel case there is a very small instruction pamphlet that doubles as a liner much the same as used in music CD's. I'm calling that a manual for lack of a better term. It to is a commercially printed liner that no reseller could have done. You probably have or had one and just didn't know it was or is there.
THIRD:
When I purt the disk in the CD drive I get two icons. One is "Amiga OS 3.9" and the other is "Emergency Boot". If I click on the "Amiga OS 3.9" icon I get a window where there is a "U.S. Version Install" icon. If I click on that I get an error #80000003 and it say's Software Failure, c / Installer.
FOURTH:
There is no CDDA icon.
FIFTH:
I have Anim CDFS 2.0
SIXTH:
I don't know what SnoopDOS is and I don't have it.
FINALLY:
I know there is a better CDFS on the CD but I need to be able to install it to make it work.
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Make sure you have--and are using--only one copy of the official installation utility, "Installer" v44.10 (10/01/99) or later. This should eliminate most script problems encountered during installation, including possible errors with the "MakeDir" command. Officially, Installer should be in your SYS:Utilities/ drawer, but it will also work fine in your SYS:C/ drawer. You can use the Workbench menu item "Window/Find..." to check SYS: for the location (and possible duplicates) of Installer.
Other tips HERE. (http://www.gregdonner.org/os39faq/installtips.html#15)
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YES, i would tend to think it was the installer version
(not the official one as i did...).
If all fails then copy the files over by hand, checking the version numbers of them (there were a few mistakes on the official release)
eg. check the new FFS version number...
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If you check the info of the install-icon and you read "c/install" it's read from the CD. "c/" is the catalog on the unit that you are reading from. If it would have said "sys:c/install" or "c:install" it would have read from the harddrive.
It's logical that it reads from the cd as well since the user might have OS 3.1 installed with an old, incompatible, installer.
Have you checked that you have the latest version of AsimCDFS installed?
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i have never had any of theese probs...weird.
the installer should present you with a picture , i will upload one to the gallery here to show u how..
cheers
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Ok, item posted in the gallery , please check this link tomorrow or something , should be online shortly..
http://www.amiga.org/gallery/index.php
hope this helps..
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You probably have a bad disk.
I recently bought OS 3.9 from Software Hut.
I had about the same problems you are having.
I called Software Hut and they sent me a new
disk. It worked fine. Since you bought your
copy so long ago, I don't know what to say.....
other than my guess is a bad disk.
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if you would like to give another disk a shot i have a copy of OS 3.9 here you can lend which i am no longer using, just pm me if u are interested in the lend ;-)
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The INstaller + info picture POSTED in the gallery now..
hope it helps:
OS3.9Installer (http://amiga.org/gallery/index.php?n=567)
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OS3.9 Install does not need a working system at all. You can install 3.9 directly to a blank partition.
All you should need is an IDE driver (already in your 3.1 Boot ROM) to read the disk. You shouldn't need anything else.
If you can't open the CD and run the Installer with no hard disk at all, then the drive must be unable to read the CD properly for some reason.
I'd try reading the CD on another machine, try another drive, etc. What about moving the drive from slave to master and trying again?
tony
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melott wrote:
You probably have a bad disk.
I recently bought OS 3.9 from Software Hut.
I had about the same problems you are having.
I called Software Hut and they sent me a new
disk. It worked fine. Since you bought your
copy so long ago, I don't know what to say.....
other than my guess is a bad disk.
heh heh, some1 put their disks next to a speaker for a year :-D [no names ;-) ]
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sir inferno: os 3.9 and 3.5 is CD release ONLy so i dont see how a speaker could ruin that unless u put the speakers ontop of the cd and dragged it back and forth on it :D
:)))))
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@ DGB
FIRST
i would like to suggest you, to be more educated with who is attempting to help you
SECOND
if you don't see the CDDA icon, there is a problem with your ancient filesystem
THIRD
Bye, bye :-)
PS- The CacheDDFS present on AOS 3.9 CD, has its own installer.
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@tonyw
Directly from the CD?! Haven't tried it but doesn't it also need a CD filesystem wich is not in the 3.1 ROM?
About the CD not being able to read the disk...
Indeed, I've had a Creative CDRom that would refuse to read properly some disks, but just from time to time!
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lempkee wrote:
sir inferno: os 3.9 and 3.5 is CD release ONLy so i dont see how a speaker could ruin that unless u put the speakers ontop of the cd and dragged it back and forth on it :D
:)))))
how did you guess that's EXACTLY what i meant? :-D
See, you just admited it, you DID do it! :-P
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I bought a cd from software hut and have been trying to install os 3.9 onto my a4000T. It has a cyberstorm onboard and I just installed a used scsi HD. Plenty of ram etc. The installation seems to go ok but nothing in preferences works, it "attempting to load program" or error #80000004" pops up. Also it claims my lha from aminet is not an executable. When booting up it says that amidock failed with error #80000004 that's about all I can recall. Any suggestions? I want to get this puppy hooked to the web and networked to my various other puters, including two more a4000's and two Intergraph workstations as well as a (ugh) PC running WinME. Thanks
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Hi Will-i-am
Welcome with your first post
Your posting style is remarkably similar to a guy called doommaster who posts here.
Appart from that I wish Icould help but I can't.
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~~~ParaNoiA will destroy-ya~~~
Not unless Doomy moved to Albany, NY (http://www.nycap.rr.com/index.php)
8-)
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wellsir, actually I live about 50 miles north of Albany, but thanks for the reply. Re the 30 year old van...I hate to say it but my son used to restore the beasts and for the last 3 years he has been what they call PVS down in a brain injury facility in Kingston NY. Moral of the story: even in an old van USE those seatbelts! Is there a program to slow down the various messages or capture them, the ones that run by so fast as the installer works its stuff? I'm trying to see if OS3.9 actually installed everything. Another issue: the emergency boot disk often shows up as "unreadable" Do ya think this has to do with the PPC card? or something? I'm lost. I have a vanilla a2000, two a4000 desktops and this tower One of the desktops has a cyberstorm as does the tower. I'm running OS 1.3 on the 2000, os 3.0 on one desktop, os 3.1 on the other and maybe os 3.9 on the tower. Except most of the progs won't start. sigh.
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Indeed, I've had a Creative CDRom that would refuse to read properly some disks, but just from time to time!
I think I have that same CDROM drive, old Creative 12X beast or some such, plays audio fine (has built in controls in front of it) but sketchy butt CD reading, I usually just get read/wrtie erros with mine (at which point I tell CacheCDFS to try again)....
Also: 3.9 should be able to be read by the primitive CD file system on the 3.1 disks.
An 80000004/3 is usually casued by some program/command in your startup-sequence effing up, hold down both mouse buttons, tell it to boot with no S-sequence and see if that helps in the short run, if it does, than go thru the sequence and get rid of all the uneccesary bits (just put an ; symbol in front of the line so you can restore it later)
ED: this isn't too unlikely, as OS3.9 added in some bits that I think some software hates, I have been warned with the accelerator I recently bought for my 2000 to disable the rom patches in OS 3.9.2 ... (I use 3.1 atm)
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@DGB,
When I put in the OS3.9 CD AsimCDFS opens a player window "prefs" close it, There are 2 icons, OS3.9 & emergency-boot.
When OS3.9 is opened I get 6 icons, one is OS3.9. When this is opened I get 3 icons, 1 is "OS3.9 installation". When this is clicked I then get the picture with other selections, create emergency disk, install from 3.1, etc.
Do you get that far. I have an A2000, see profile.
Keep at it.
Chris
PS: I also purchased my copy from Softhut.
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Framiga wrote:
@ DGB
FIRST
i would like to suggest you, to be more educated with who is attempting to help you
SECOND
if you don't see the CDDA icon, there is a problem with your ancient filesystem
THIRD
Bye, bye :-)
PS- The CacheDDFS present on AOS 3.9 CD, has its own installer.
I'm not sure what you mean by " be more educated with who is attempting to help you". If you are suggesting that I should ber more courteous maybe you have a point. I admit to having a certain amount of impatience with those who seem to think they know more that they actually do and at the same time don't bother to read and understand what I wrote. I recognize that most of the members here are far more knowledgable about these issues than I am. I don't have a problem with that. That is the precise reason why I sought help here. I do have a problem with those who seem to have a know-it-all attitude and never seem to get the point I am trying to make. In the case of the thread I started here it has turned out that no body figured out the problem. I know that because I eventually solved it myself. As it turns out, it was a mater of hardware. I did not have the computer accelerated at the time I tried to install 3.9. I installed software and a Blizzard 2060 and the OS 3.9 installed without a problem.
I don't know if there are minor differences in issues of 3.9 but what I have is not the same as some of the members here have described. That being the case it is hard to understand what others are telling me to do when I am not looking at the same things they are.
In closing, let me say that I made no attempt to insult or belittle anyone here. I merely wanted to point out that some are not paying attention to the obvious. That being said, I hope you will accept my apology if I have offended you because that WAS NOT my intention. Consider this... What is the logic in offending those I need help from. It could be there are language translation barriers here that add to the confusion. I strongly suspect that English is not the natve language of many here on these forums. I admire and respect the efforts of those here who have taken it upon there own to learn a secon language.
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Hi DGB,
no problem . . . .the real "problem" is that i've an AOS3.9 CD, that seems different from your!!!
Anyway, try to search if there is a dir called CacheCDFS inside. It has its own installer (here).
Mine is in:
CD0:OS-Version3.9/CacheCDFS (where CD0: stay for AmigaOS3.9: icon on WB)
Good luck and Happy New Year