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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Software Issues and Discussion => Topic started by: runequester on April 10, 2011, 03:09:39 AM
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So looking at upgrading my 3.5 install to 3.9, but wanted to see if there's anything to be particularly concerned about. I don't want to hose everything accidentally.
Anyone have horror stories to share?
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First thing to do is to backup your Workbench partition. This will allow you to restore everything back to how it was in case something goes wrong. Do also remember to create an OS3.9 Emergency disk and boot from this before installing.
Most problems people have experienced is with the Boing Bag 2 update, but when looking at your setup (in your signature), I don't think you should have any major problems.
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yeah, definately want to back up everything, just in case everything explodes :)
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So looking at upgrading my 3.5 install to 3.9, but wanted to see if there's anything to be particularly concerned about. I don't want to hose everything accidentally.
Anyone have horror stories to share?
its slower imho. definately back up your current drive. dont forget to install the boing bag updates. its been a long time since i've ran 3.5,so i cant recall really how they compared,i do seem to think 3.5 was quite snappier.
mech
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I got 3.5 currently and its about the same speed as 3.1 one, pretty much.
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rune
3.9 is a great upgrade for you. Forget this 3.5 is better crap...
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Personally I like OS3.9 above all other 68k amiga OSes, but the default install is a little slower than other os3.x versions. With some tweaking you can get things much on par though.
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I went from 3.0 to 3.9 so can't comment on it being slower than 3.5.
Seemed fine to me though even when I as using a 030/50.
There is a good guide on this site somewhere fo tweeking performance and is defo worth a look.
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Two threads that may help
http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=50414
http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=27171&highlight=guide
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So looking at upgrading my 3.5 install to 3.9, but wanted to see if there's anything to be particularly concerned about. I don't want to hose everything accidentally.
Anyone have horror stories to share?
Not really - you might fiddle a littlebit with the BoingBags 1 and 2, but with a more or less "normal" system it should work. My systems are running AmigaOS3.9BB2 with MUTools since years and very stable.
My personal view is: If you use OS3.x, then use 3.1 or 3.9, but never 3.5! ;-) OS3.9 ist what 3.5 should have been - I upgraded and never looked back.
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Best to read this, too:
http://www.gregdonner.org/os39faq/compatibility.html
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Any dangers of upgrading to 3.9?
Yes, you may never go back to a Linux PC afterwards!
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If you're coming from 3.5, you won't notice the "slowdown" that people often rue about 3.9, since the speed of the reaction user interface (which is considerably slower than gadtools, but that's the price you pay for a resizable interface) is something you'll already be accustom to.
There are various tricks to squeezing more out of it, but in all honesty, I've not bothered on my 3.9 install. It runs just fine on my 040+RTG, as did 3.5. I can certainly confirm 3.0/3.1 are snappier but I doubt I'd ever go back to them for my everyday Amiga fix (I do boot them to test out stuff, but that's it).
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Your safest bet is to perform a fresh install of 3.9 to a spare partition rather than in in-place upgrade from 3.1/3.5. Then you can set about tweaking it one patch at a time until you have it how you want it. Feel free to PM me for if you need any specific advice btw.
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Thanks guys :) I'll make this happen tonight.
BTW... Am I going to be hosed if my install is from the first edition , rather than the second edition CD, or will the boing bags fix things anyways?
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Well, I couldn't wait so I jumped into it.
It actually installed perfectly fine from compact flash, without any wizardry and scripts.
Booted up and things looked fine. The dock displayed. I didn't have time to really do much, other than poke at a few pref's so I'll test tonight to see if all sorts of stuff broke.
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dont forget to install the 'internet software' from cd-rom and afterwards boing bag 1 + 2.
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I already have internet set up, and got Ibrowse, sabremsn and stuff. Are there anything on the CD I should be adding?
I'll do the boing bags tonight :)
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So boing bag 1 went great. Had to mount the iso to make it work, but thats okay. SOmeone on EAB had a simple little script for it.
If someone is looking to do this install without a CD rom btw, its not really so bad. I;d be happy to explain how I went about it.
Boing bag 2 broke my system.
An hour of messing around with versions of set patch, different startup-sequences etc finally got me back working. It didn't help that the only workbench disk I had was an old workbench 2.05 disk :)
It seems the rom update was the culprit. The installer actually warns that its dodgy but I guess "unlikely to fail" meant "runequesters amiga will break"
Once that was sorted out, everything looks fine. Its not even that slow either. Certainly no more than 3.5.
Amplifier actually works, which is amusing, though sound quality is.. well, not amazing :)
It is SLOOOOW to move around with the skin. Without it, its snap enough. Definately a use for RTG there.
Dock is nice and easy to add stuff to, and looks decent even in 256 colours.
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Next step, backup and BB3. :)
http://lilliput.amiga-projects.net/bbag3isdone.htm
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Will I be spending another hour juggling files to repair my system? :D
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To be honest, I wouldnt bother with BB3, despite the fact its a nice effort! BB2 can be a pain, yeah. Especially when your config gets a bit more complex like mine. But glad you got it sorted now, runequester.
Cant help recommending MCP, VisualPrefs, Systempatch, Toolsdaemon, KingCon, Swazinfo, BlizKick and HappyENV though :) But again, others might not agree.
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Rune
DONT add "BB3" as its not an official release and while likey make things unstable..
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hm, as it turns out, I should probably have paid attention as I am.. yet again.. unable to boot.
Can someone post their startup-sequence from a WORKING boing bag 3 install ?
edit: if i comment out the changes made by the BB3 install, everything boots okay.
Still curious to see what it ought to look like.
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Quick sidenote, but if you want to use isos on a cd/dvd-less amiga simply install VirtualCD. Very easy to use.
No scripts, etc. needed. Simply launch the program and point the requestor to an iso and viola.
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Quick sidenote, but if you want to use isos on a cd/dvd-less amiga simply install VirtualCD. Very easy to use.
No scripts, etc. needed. Simply launch the program and point the requestor to an iso and viola.
ah awesome. Thanks! I managed to download a script thing but I'll definately check that out next time the need hits.
Out of curiosity, would that work for CD32 games?
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After BB3, I am also seeing some weird vertical corrupted lines appear when opening a folder occasionally. Rather obnoxious. Any ideas what might cause that?
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I haven't installed BB3 on any system, but seeing as it's unofficial, there could be plenty of patches in there which are suspect (i.e. even more than BB2). Try disabling any ROM modules added, see if that helps. It sounds like a patch to speed up chip memory accesses - perhaps it's clashing with similar patches applied elsewhere, e.g. MCP?
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You don't really lose anything. In fact you actually gain .4
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After BB3, I am also seeing some weird vertical corrupted lines appear when opening a folder occasionally. Rather obnoxious. Any ideas what might cause that?
I get horizontal corrupt lines.
I find this is caused by 2 things
Fblit
WBCtrl - Icons to fast memory
If using either try disabling them and see if you get the same problem