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Amiga computer related discussion => General chat about Amiga topics => Topic started by: WolfToTheMoon on April 09, 2011, 08:07:19 PM
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Reading a bit through the wonderful Amiga History webpage and found this... (http://www.amigahistory.co.uk/commodoreuk.html)
Commodore UK were planning to develop the current Amiga technology for the next year (1995, although a next generation Amiga would likely have slipped to 1996). An unconfirmed rumour suggested that the new line that is referred to would be based upon an upgraded A1200. The Amiga 1300, as it was dubbed, would feature an 25 or 33MHz EC030, 2Mb Chip, 2MB Fast RAM, as well as an internal CD-ROM and an optional hard drive (the hard drive would be added by local dealers to take advantage of the latest prices). This rumour had been circulating for a number of months before Commodore went into liquidation, the A1300 would have been a prototypical design created by Commodore UK
Ok, A1300 never been confirmed to existed so it's just a hypothetical, but is it just me or this sounds awfully underpowered for the time? Or maybe it was their intention to sell it as a (very)cheap PC alternative? How did the A1200 compare to a cheap 286/386 system pricewise?
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The first 1300 reports I saw were shortly after the Escom acquisition. I'm pretty sure it was a placeholder name for what became the Walker (itself another placeholder title).
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Reading a bit through the wonderful Amiga History webpage and found this... (http://www.amigahistory.co.uk/commodoreuk.html)
Ok, A1300 never been confirmed to existed so it's just a hypothetical, but is it just me or this sounds awfully underpowered for the time? Or maybe it was their intention to sell it as a (very)cheap PC alternative? How did the A1200 compare to a cheap 286/386 system pricewise?
286/386 would have been ridiculous for 1996, full of Pentium and Pentium MMX along with Windows 95!
An A1300 with those specs would have been cool in an amigan point of view but no way to compete with a PC.
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I can check later when I get home or maybe someone here already knows... but there were some oddball numbers like this from a Canadien Amiga mail order house. After Commodore folded, they basically took A1200 motherboards and towerized them. Some models had accelerators, extra RAM, HD's, etc.
IMO, Commodore themselves would never have marketed an A1300. You ever notice how all their model numbers were divisible? A1000<>A500. A2000<>A1000. A3000<>A1500. A4000<>A2000. A1200<>A600, etc., etc. Guess that wouldn't apply to the A2500 though... DOH! lol
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Dave Pleasance (MD of Commodore UK) was proposing the A1300 around 1993 in response to users request for integral CD, a full 32-bit CPU and fast memory. These were the failings of the A1200.
The black A1300 with CD was shown as an artist's impression in the Amiga Format Annual 1993.
It would have been viable as around this time the Atari Falcon, 3DO and other consoles were built around similar specifications in terms of memory and CPU.
In 1994 when Commodore filed for Chapter 11, Dave Pleasance had plans for Commodore UK (which was profitable until the end) to buy the assets and continue development.
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Some called it the A1400 some the A1800 but Lew's 'no comment' in Xmas 93/Jan 84 was an admission. Keep googling :)
Timescale was ready before Xmas 94
Status was motherboard prototype completed, case specifications complete, case design incomplete.
Tech specs = A1200/CD32 features/expansion ie AGA/CD32 chipset plus.....
68EC020 @ 28mhz (same speed in reality to 25mhz 030)
2mb chip + either 2mb 32bit fast RAM on motherboard
AKIKO on motherboard
HD Floppy disk drive
No Zorro slots
Processor trap door compatible expansion
PCMCIA unconfirmed
Dual IDE for accommodating HDD and CD-ROM inside case.
Form factor = 3 box design using case of A3000 dimensions + A4000 keyboard.
Price point=£499 with 3.5" HDD £599 with HDD & CD
Reason = A4000/030 & 040 too expensive for people not using Zorro, A1200/CD32 too slow stock speed &2.5" HDD too expensive, no mid range competitive with 386/486 machines.
Reported by Amiga Shopper/Format and CU Amiga. C= UK spouted 'no comment'
Remember PCs were around £999 for good soundcard + CD in early 93 and 33mhz 486 same in early 94 and both still ISA based so AGA is superior on some levels. Amiga fans were crying out for such a machine as were software houses. Could have given them the £££s to finish AA/AGA+ too. Shame, sounds like C= UK finally 'got it'. Management buyout would have pushed ahead with this too.
edit:didn't see Amigkit post.
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93' or 94' this could perhaps have worked. Later than that -your up against PS1 and Saturn at the low end, and Pentium at the high end. But with the A500+ quickly replaced by the A600, people had already had their fingers burnt. Imagine then getting the A1200 and having it phased out a year later!
A lot of these specs are what the A1200 should have had. I think Commodore had missed the boat once they'd buggered up AGA.
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93' or 94' this could perhaps have worked. Later than that -your up against PS1 and Saturn at the low end, and Pentium at the high end. But with the A500+ quickly replaced by the A600, people had already had their fingers burnt. Imagine then getting the A1200 and having it phased out a year later!
A lot of these specs are what the A1200 should have had. I think Commodore had missed the boat once they'd buggered up AGA.
Yeah...
Maybe it would be enticing enough for (then)current Amiga owners to upgrade, especially if it also had an OS upgrade, but it wouldn't work in the outside world, especially in 95'.
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93' or 94' this could perhaps have worked. Later than that -your up against PS1 and Saturn at the low end, and Pentium at the high end. But with the A500+ quickly replaced by the A600, people had already had their fingers burnt. Imagine then getting the A1200 and having it phased out a year later!
A lot of these specs are what the A1200 should have had. I think Commodore had missed the boat once they'd buggered up AGA.
First 4mb Pentium 60 multimedia machines mid 93 onwards cost anywhere from $2500-4000 depending on brand. Same value with £ sign for UK. Even in mid 1994 Pentium 75mhz were about £1500 in the UK.
People forget the costs, 4mb alone was about £125 even in 94. £500 Amiga 1400 would have undercut branded 386DX40 multimedia machines and played better games.
PS1 and Saturn are red herrings, if you needed a computer you still needed a computer so they make no difference. You opposition was Falcon, Archimedes, Falcon, Mac LC 3/4 and ISA 386DX/486SX PC. And remember in Europe PCs and Macs were very expensive. USA RRP in $ = same in £ too.
And Windows 95 still a year away, Win 95+USB 2 years.
Would have sold very nicely for Sept-Xmas 94 IMO
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True, there was always a place for nice low priced home computer, that could run good apps and play multiplayer games (I remember PC gaming in that era as a lonely hobby, before netplay became common much later).
I'm not familiar with PC prices of the era, there's a few price guides in ACE magazine. I'm interested in this, but can't find many figures. I expect even an amstrad 386DX with vga would still be more expensive than the 1300/1400 . But come with a monitor and HDD, which would make it more competitive.
I don't see consoles as a red hearing. Rather the low end Amiga's were a Trojan Horse. It sucked gamers in, and spat hobby computer users out. I know many in the UK and Europe bought the Amiga as a games machine (I did), but then discovered it's other joys You can't discount how important that was.
Many of my friends either dumped their home computers for consoles, or got a PC, or both. This pretty much happened in '94 '95. Low end Amiga's (which were the majority of sales) were, like it or not, stuck between the PC and the consoles. It could have been an advantage, but the lack luster A1200, and the overpriced A600 turned out to be otherwise. If Mehdi Ali (cursed be his name) and given the money and resources needed, it could have been so different. Just my opinion of course ;)
Also, would the A1200 have been discontinued? If not, you end up in a Falcon/STE situation, developers writing for the lowest common denominator.
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For amiga software, this would have been a nice system. Probably better in 92, but even 93 or 94, people were still buying 1200's, so they would have bought this.
Strike a deal with whoever to make expansion cards cheaper and its a winner.
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David Pleasance of C= UK knew this would work. Had management buyout happened quickly this would have been a priority.
A real alternative to budget PCs of the time, and in 1994 Windows 3.1 was pathetic looking to all shoppers. Home users never used more than graphics/sound/cdrom ISA cards anyway so 4000/030 Zorro slots were overkill.
One of my pet projects is to one day build one inc special case...I have an A3000ish looking design sorted already :)
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I guess maybe this was just a local thing but I dont know many, if any people who sat and compared specs and bought their computer based purely on that.
People bought an amiga because they wanted an amiga and the software eco system that went with that. Same for people who bought a PC or a Mac.
Buying a 2000 dollar PC is no dice if you want to run an amiga application, and no amount of 68060 will help you run a PC or Mac application (well, actually.. it might for mac :) )
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I can check later when I get home or maybe someone here already knows... but there were some oddball numbers like this from a Canadien Amiga mail order house. After Commodore folded, they basically took A1200 motherboards and towerized them. Some models had accelerators, extra RAM, HD's, etc.
IMO, Commodore themselves would never have marketed an A1300. You ever notice how all their model numbers were divisible? A1000<>A500. A2000<>A1000. A3000<>A1500. A4000<>A2000. A1200<>A600, etc., etc. Guess that wouldn't apply to the A2500 though... DOH! lol
I think the Canadian mail order house advertised an A2200, with an expanded CD32 motherboard.
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I guess maybe this was just a local thing but I dont know many, if any people who sat and compared specs and bought their computer based purely on that.
People bought an amiga because they wanted an amiga and the software eco system that went with that. Same for people who bought a PC or a Mac.
Buying a 2000 dollar PC is no dice if you want to run an amiga application, and no amount of 68060 will help you run a PC or Mac application (well, actually.. it might for mac :) )
Hmmm in the UK at the time of 4000/040 and 1200 launches home user PC sales were more hype than substance.
The new buyers looked at demos running and picked a format in their budget ie 386/Mac LC III, Falcon, Acorn or Amiga. 4000=too much,1200=old style toy computer look and 'slow' 14mhz with expensive HDD/no HD FLOPPY/Little RAM
A1200 and Atari Falcon looked cheaper than 3 box design of Mac/PC but options cost 200-300% more. CPU/RAM upgrades not sold in regular High St stores here either.
Nobody cared about crappy DOS/WIN at that time in the UK, and PC home users were viewed as fools though. Funny thing is things were back to the early 80s of UK home computing where only the creative/educational/gaming potential mattered for new comers NOT the brand of the CPU or OS. Amiga had everything it needed AND CHEAPER than SEGA/Nintendo cartridges or Mac/PC creative/small business software.
Of course owners would become viciously loyal fans of their Alt. format choice.....hey it worked for Mac sales in mid 90s :roflmao:
http://support.apple.com/kb/SP209
That is what Commodore needed to copy, the ethos of the Mac LC3 030/25 in pizza box case with no excessive expansions, the 4000/030 couldnt compete with 040 based LC475 by 94! madness was rife @ Medhi Ali central...is he dead yet? ;)
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I think the Canadian mail order house advertised an A2200, with an expanded CD32 motherboard.
*Googled*
In Mar 1992 via Usenet.....
A "killer no-nonsense" midrange Amiga system is finally here. The Amiga 2200 is actually more like a "slightly scaled down Amiga 3000." Housed in a box which is actually smaller than the A3000's case is a mother board which holds a 68020 CPU clocked at 14.3MHz. There is also a socket for an optional 68881 FPU. This is a "real 32 bit" system running on a 32 bit memory bus. The Amiga 2200 includes the ECS to support 2MB of Chip RAM. Up to 8MB of additional Fast RAM may be added to the mother board using 4Mbit RAM chips (or 2MB RAM using 1Mbit RAM chips). Stock systems will ship with 1MB Chip and 1MB Fast (system) RAM. A de-interlacer circuit is included on board as well as a 32 bit SCSI hard drive interface similar to the A3000. There are three expansion slots including two full 32 bit bus expansion slots "ala A3000 style" on a verticle daughter board and a direct CPU expansion connector which can take a 68030 or 68040 CPU accelerator. The Amiga 2200's low-profile, compact case has room for two internal 3.5" drives.
Stock systems will ship with either one 1.76MB High-Density floppy drive and a 52MB Quantum hard drive or two HD floppy drives. I/O ports include standard serial, parallel, dual mouse ports, dual audio, SCSI, floppy drive port, NTSC video and de-interlaced 31KHz video. The Amiga 2200 with hard drive is priced substantially less then the A3000/16/50 which is being phased out of production. The Amiga 3000/25 will continue as the high end of the Amiga personal computer line.
Notes:
This system is for the true Amiga enthusiast. Due to the very "cost reduced" mother board and system enclosure it is NOT BridgeBoard capable. It also has "only" two main expansion slots. However, with SCSI and up to 10MB RAM on board (2MB Chip, 8MB Fast) you may not need an expansion slot for a while. With a 14.3MHz 68020 running on a true 32 bit memory bus, you've got enough processing power to handle almost any task. When you are ready to expand, go ahead and fill one of the two 32 bit expansion slots with
a 32MB memory board. And add a 28MHz 68040 to the CPU expansion slot. You'll be in "Amiga Heaven" with this kind of power. This system enclosure only holds two 3.5" drives. This is the most useful low-cost configuration and
is due to the low-cost, small footprint inclosure. But you can still add floppy and hard drives externally to the built-in floppy and SCSI ports if necassary. The 68881 FPU is not included in stock systems, but at least the socket is there when you decide to plug one in. The A2200 will significantly out-perform the Mac Classic II and Mac IILC because these Macs use a 16 bit memory interface to their 32 bit processors. At list $1295 with one high-density floppy drive, a 50MB hard drive and 2MB RAM (1MB Chip and 1MB Fast) this system will sell like hot cakes. At $995 street price this is a low-cost-Mac and clone killer for sure. In fact, a new factory may be needed to keep up with demand. The A2000 will remain in production for those who
need a system where they can plug in the "kitchen sink."
(http://www.amiga-hardware.com/display_photos/amiga2200.jpg)
If 92 then fine, if 94 then suicide $1300 for 14mhz & 2mb RAM.
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Reading a bit through the wonderful Amiga History webpage and found this... (http://www.amigahistory.co.uk/commodoreuk.html)
Ok, A1300 never been confirmed to existed so it's just a hypothetical, but is it just me or this sounds awfully underpowered for the time? Or maybe it was their intention to sell it as a (very)cheap PC alternative? How did the A1200 compare to a cheap 286/386 system pricewise?
Commodore UK were always way ahead of the rest of the company so yes, I can believe they had something like the 1300 on the cards. Of course it still would have struggled to compete against the emerging PC but those specs are at least close to what the 1200 *should* have been in 1992.
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We had a thread awhile abck about what specs peoples amigas were in 94, when commodore folded.
Most of them were /extremely/ modest.
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Fascinating, well done for the research everyone, never knew about an A2200.
I think the price is too close to the A4000/030 that came shortly after though (1993). And a 14mhz 020....that's just too slow for 92 and probably distributors saw that it would age to the state of being unsellable in 3-6 months really.
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We had a thread awhile abck about what specs peoples amigas were in 94, when commodore folded.
Most of them were /extremely/ modest.
Hmmm think the problem is if you go to the shops on the street you couldn't even buy an A1200 with more RAM let alone a faster CPU installed.
Your only option was the hideously expensive hard drive....great marketing their haha
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Commodore UK also tried to buy Commodore after bankruptcy. They were separated companies. They say that they could pay commodre deps etc. Just wonder what they did later.
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A2200 looks like a nice machine, and would have launched at the same time as the A1200? Not bad, but I still think a lot of it's specs are what the A1200 should have had. I would probably have missed out the A1200 and gone for this. What would that have been in £, anyone know?
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PS1 and Saturn are red herrings, if you needed a computer you still needed a computer so they make no difference.
Not everyone who owned an amiga needed a computer. There were alot of people who only ever saw workbench when they ran xcopy.
A2200 looks like a nice machine, and would have launched at the same time as the A1200?
It says Kickstart 3.1, so it would have been later.
There were loads of people trying to sell a1200 motherboards in PC cases in the UK. I was even tempted to buy a micronik tower back in the day.
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With a 14mhz 020 I certainly wouldn't be interested in 2mb RAM for an extra £350 however.
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You could do a lot with an '030 and 2 meg chip and 2 meg fast back in those days.
I added an '030 plus fpu and 16 meg fast ram (i hardly ever used more than about 6 MB in total, but it was so cheap at $200..) plus a 1.7 GB hard drive and CDROM in an external side tower, around about 1995. It opened so many options that made computing a joy, especially the aminet cd's and mag cd's.
I started off wanting to play cheaply-attainable games, but ended doing so much more. I did animation, video-titling, 3D rendering, Image processing with ImageFX in Ham8 split screen, grey-scale video capture with Prograb.
Most PC users I knew did a bit of browsing, email, Word, and played chunky games. And their mags were full of crap game demo's.
So who has the more "powerful" computer?
I really believed this could've kept many Amiga users from jumping ship until PPC arrived. But having to buy an '030 for $600, plus ram plus a cdrom plus $1400 for basic A1200 plus $700 for a microvitec or $500 for an NEC 3D monitor was insane.
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I don't think the 1300, or any machine made based off the 1200, would have been more than a drop in the bucket.
Commodore had already screwed up their lead and squandered it. 1200/4000 should have been released around 3000 timeframe but instead they kept on basically the same chipset from 1000 in 1985 through 3000 in 1990 not to release any significant update until 1992. That 7 years saw PC games start to move to VGA even before Win95 was released and already showed the Amiga as dated. To have another 1 to two years just to get a slightly faster processor wouldn't have brought in new users.
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I think back then what would have made sense considering prices etc, would have been a full 030 50mhz processor, 2mb Chip + 6/8Mb fast ram, CD-ROM, hard drive as standard and a proper built-in scandoubler/flickerfixer VGA output and possibly or optional RTG graphics.
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@Powermonger and dougal
I think Powermonger's right. The ship had already sailed. The Amiga succeeded or failed based on the strength of it's chipset. Does not matter what you bolt onto that. Updating the chipset was too long in coming, and not thorough enough. I mean, no sound update at all in 7 years?
Jay miner and co were geniuses. Commodore engineers post Amiga A1000 were good, but merely stood on the shoulders ofgiants and tinkered, and were later stifled of cash by the management.
They could still have competed with PC's on price, but not tech, the 2200 might have helped with that. And maybe held out long enough to rectify their loss with the next generation.
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Well if you read the accounts from people like Haynie it appears the 3000 was originally supposed to be the 4000, with a DSP. That means AGA chipset on an 030 back in thereabouts of 1990 unless I have read the accounts wrong. Thats the only thing I can see that would have helped, not cancelling machines with advanced chipsets and stagnating on Agnus/Denise/Paula for so long. People bought machines back then based on capabilities not OS. Only way to enhance the capabilities was with new chipsets on the Amiga.
So, a chipset that could compete with early VGA relatively well, years sooner. Many projects that could have kept Amiga competitive longer cancelled not because it couldn't be done but because of management.
This is why I don't consider any retread of the existing Amigas as able to make a dent to change the outcome. Maybe just forestall it a few more months with some added sales to existing customers but to justify it, the costs of retooling an assembly line have to be factored in. They had a retread, remember? the CD32. It didn't change the outcome.
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Well if you read the accounts from people like Haynie it appears the 3000 was originally supposed to be the 4000, with a DSP. That means AGA chipset on an 030 back in thereabouts of 1990 unless I have read the accounts wrong. Thats the only thing I can see that would have helped, not cancelling machines with advanced chipsets and stagnating on Agnus/Denise/Paula for so long. People bought machines back then based on capabilities not OS. Only way to enhance the capabilities was with new chipsets on the Amiga.
So, a chipset that could compete with early VGA relatively well, years sooner. Many projects that could have kept Amiga competitive longer cancelled not because it couldn't be done but because of management.
This is why I don't consider any retread of the existing Amigas as able to make a dent to change the outcome. Maybe just forestall it a few more months with some added sales to existing customers but to justify it, the costs of retooling an assembly line have to be factored in. They had a retread, remember? the CD32. It didn't change the outcome.
Well, part of the CD32 problem was that they couldn't make enough of them to meet the sales demand, and weren't allowed to sell in the US.
This is as far as Dave Haynie's deathbed vigil video goes anyways. I figure he knows what he was talking about
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I worked in 'game' (UK) at the time of the CD32 launch, we could not keep them on the shelves, and frequently ran out of stock. Which was slow to be replenished.
I can (sort of) understand it. The CD32 brought masses of data, 16bit CD sound, and very nice 2D graphics. It was never going to hurt the PC. But at £300 quid, it certainly gave the segaCD a run for it's money. It had quite a bit of the CD market at the time, I seem to remember.
We had quite a few returns due to build quality, normally the volume slider snapping, or the CD hinge. Generally case problems. Had a lot more returns on the CDi though.
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Well if you read the accounts from people like Haynie it appears the 3000 was originally supposed to be the 4000, with a DSP. That means AGA chipset on an 030 back in thereabouts of 1990 unless I have read the accounts wron
It was the a3000+ & a3000aa that were originally going to be released instead of the a4000.
http://www.amiga-hardware.com/showhardware.cgi?HARDID=23
http://www.amigahistory.co.uk/prototypes/a3000plus.html
While cancelling slowed down production, it would probably still have come out sometime in 1992.
The major problem was that commodore was all about doing things on the cheap, they always milked their designs. But in the 90's there was more money around and people were prepared to pay alot more for quality. ECS & AGA were both too late to the party.
To succeed commodore would have had to produce a better chipset than AGA earlier than they produced AGA.
AA+ in 1990/91 or hombre in 1992 might have stopped the high end leaving for the PC. Hombre in 1993 might have stopped the low end going to the playstation.
By 1994 commodore couldn't even afford to make CD32's.
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Well, part of the CD32 problem was that they couldn't make enough of them to meet the sales demand, and weren't allowed to sell in the US.
This is as far as Dave Haynie's deathbed vigil video goes anyways. I figure he knows what he was talking about
CD32 game sales trounced all CD sales at the time, PC CDROM was expensive at first.
AGA was OK for 92/93 but Commodores problem was they could never make anything as advanced for the time as A1000 to milk it for profit like they did with OCS. PCI graphics on Pentium + better CPU price/performance destroyed A4000. The A1400 with 28mhz 020 + CD for £500 would have cleaned up in 94 but could only be a stopgap for AA+ or Hombre development funds. Couple of bullets for Medhi Ali too :roflmao:
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It was the a3000+ & a3000aa that were originally going to be released instead of the a4000.
http://www.amiga-hardware.com/showhardware.cgi?HARDID=23
http://www.amigahistory.co.uk/prototypes/a3000plus.html
While cancelling slowed down production, it would probably still have come out sometime in 1992.
The major problem was that commodore was all about doing things on the cheap, they always milked their designs. But in the 90's there was more money around and people were prepared to pay alot more for quality. ECS & AGA were both too late to the party.
To succeed commodore would have had to produce a better chipset than AGA earlier than they produced AGA.
AA+ in 1990/91 or hombre in 1992 might have stopped the high end leaving for the PC. Hombre in 1993 might have stopped the low end going to the playstation.
By 1994 commodore couldn't even afford to make CD32's.
Biggest problem was cost of 680x0 processors vs 486 etc. Not much they could do on their buying quota. The Apple LC475 etc made 4000/030 look expensive too let alone 4000/040.
Damage was done in 86 when they sacked half the Amiga team, look what rubbish 'improvements' West Chester and GMBH teams made.....as effective as Plus/4 and C128 custom chips. :(
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Reading a bit through the wonderful Amiga History webpage and found this... (http://www.amigahistory.co.uk/commodoreuk.html)
Ok, A1300 never been confirmed to existed so it's just a hypothetical, but is it just me or this sounds awfully underpowered for the time? Or maybe it was their intention to sell it as a (very)cheap PC alternative? How did the A1200 compare to a cheap 286/386 system pricewise?
Are to be young the 4000 at the time ran rings around the 486 your joking arent you seriously 386 286 where crap windows 3.1 please yuk
Myabe the 486 DX 100 or 486 66 mhz with voddo card where great for 3d gaming doom
duke nuke um
A amiga 1200 with kick as 030 and internall cdrom and then games devolped for aga chipset which never really happned i think amiga be still here today i mean and comercial product you just go into deptment stores buy one just like did with my
Amiga 1200
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Commodore UK were always way ahead of the rest of the company so yes, I can believe they had something like the 1300 on the cards. Of course it still would have struggled to compete against the emerging PC but those specs are at least close to what the 1200 *should* have been in 1992.
Yeah your right just look any industry that doesint adpapt Bristish bike industry in the 70s
KNow look truimph of today l surpose alot orginal british bike owners thought they where rubbish
Designs ,
In fact i heard them Its started up By individual and brought purpose built
new factory in another city in england and look there fantasic then went back and built
New version of orginal twin designs and there fantasic
In fact as guy cut teethy on japense bikes which are great i lothe to own orginal british bike oil leakers but whould buy new twin but prefer the 675 tripple
remind anyone of somone eg x1000 (trevour)
Commodore wreaked the amiga dream , mind you mac nearly went too
They Allowed selling clones big mistake and lo thought was cool at the time
just my 10 cents worth
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THere's a lot of amiga guilt going on here.
On one hand, we know Commodore had difficulty meeting demand for 1200's and CD32's (from various people over the years, who were involved, Dave Haynie for one).
On the other hand, we have plenty of people saying that despite this, nobody would have wanted to buy a beefier 1200 or whatever, because there were PC's in existence.
Hm
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Right OK after raiding a pile of magazines....
A1300 = Amiga Technologies
A1400/A1400CD = Commodore.
By 95/96 Escom era the A1300 would have failed. 030 is no improvement to gaming over 020 so overpriced compared to 125mhz 486 £499 PC bundles.
AT never came up with a good idea, Walker=dated and the green A4000T case design proposal made me throw up a little. Add £399 A1200 14mhz relaunch and no wonder they sank fast.
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THere's a lot of amiga guilt going on here.
On one hand, we know Commodore had difficulty meeting demand for 1200's and CD32's (from various people over the years, who were involved, Dave Haynie for one).
On the other hand, we have plenty of people saying that despite this, nobody would have wanted to buy a beefier 1200 or whatever, because there were PC's in existence.
Hm
Price is the issue. A4000/030 a turkey and A1200 too slow for 3D games. Something inbetween using cheaper 3.5 IDE would have sold, especially CD32 compatible A1400CD in 93/94. 1995/96 ESCOM era then expensive 040 vs cheap 486 Pentium 75mhz = dead end.
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AT never came up with a good idea, Walker=dated and the green A4000T case design proposal made me throw up a little. Add £399 A1200 14mhz relaunch and no wonder they sank fast.
Hey I'd never seen the A4000T concept designs before (just looked them up), mind you I only started getting in this Amiga business a couple of years back so I missed a lot of 'history' ;)
www.amigahistory.co.uk/escom4t.html (http://www.amigahistory.co.uk/escom4t.html)
I actually like the design, much better than how the 4000T turned out, reminds me of a Mac (runs and hides).
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Right OK after raiding a pile of magazines....
A1300 = Amiga Technologies
A1400/A1400CD = Commodore.
By 95/96 Escom era the A1300 would have failed. 030 is no improvement to gaming over 020 so overpriced compared to 125mhz 486 £499 PC bundles.
AT never came up with a good idea, Walker=dated and the green A4000T case design proposal made me throw up a little. Add £399 A1200 14mhz relaunch and no wonder they sank fast.
I think we were getting screwed in Denmark when it came to computers. The PC we got in 98 or 99 (forget the exact year) was about twice that money, and that was a piece of *(&#& :)