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The "Not Quite Amiga but still computer related category" => Alternative Operating Systems => Topic started by: Digiman on April 08, 2011, 11:52:53 PM
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Let's face it, you now realise you wasted $600 for some rubbish netbook performance C64 lookalike PC with Linux C64 emulator present.
So pretty much all you can now do is play on the emulator....so you download the entire 3000 original tape and 10000 disk archives of C64 games OR pop in your Retrogenius Ultimate C64 DVD and run VICE emulator on it....way to go :roflmao:
They might as well give you a free Jack Sparrow toy in the box with all their incitement to pirate seeing as you CAN'T use real C64 tapes/disks/carts ;)
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Is there a C64 equivalent of World of Spectrum where the site tries to get permission from the copyright holders to offer the games for download? If so they could just give a link to that site, or they could just include games that they have permission to distribute (maybe they will strike a deal with the copyright holders?)
As long as there is a legal source for the disk/tape images, it's no more a promotion of piracy than Dell selling a gaming PC knowing that some people will play a pirate copy of Crysis 2 on it, IMHO.
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Is there a C64 equivalent of World of Spectrum where the site tries to get permission from the copyright holders to offer the games for download? If so they could just give a link to that site, or they could just include games that they have permission to distribute (maybe they will strike a deal with the copyright holders?)
As long as there is a legal source for the disk/tape images, it's no more a promotion of piracy than Dell selling a gaming PC knowing that some people will play a pirate copy of Crysis 2 on it, IMHO.
Except that C64 original software can never be used on a C64x but pirates choose not to use original PC games on their gaming PCs.
There is ***********.com.....99.99% illegal. Some authors have releaed about 20 games out of 12,000 as freeware now that's it.
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Piracy is a Commodore tradition. It'd be far and away the most C64-like thing about the system.
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Piracy is a Commodore tradition. It'd be far and away the most C64-like thing about the system.
Haha.....Action Replay cart anyone?
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To be fair, 1 in 5 customers will be using a pirated copy of windows on the machine anyways (if you live in the US anyways. Much higher everywhere else)
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Software Piracy i've always found that a very interesting term for such a non-violent persuit.
Subliminal planting attempt?
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It's about time someone did! ;)
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It's just that it's perfectly legit for one company to buy out another and shelve their competitive products for favour of the latter's own, as long as they still have at least one competitor. But if someone tries to use / copy or promote one of those shelved products they are doing something illegal...?
An organisation that is anti competitive, anti consumerist, and potentially manages its international tax burden off shore. Tell me which one is piracy in its purest form.
The marketing parrot perches well on the padded suit sholders of the corporate world.
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It's just that it's perfectly legit for one company to buy out another and shelve their competitive products for favour of your own, as long as they still have one competitor. But if someone tries to use / copy or promote one of those shelved products they are doing something illegal...?
An organisation that is anti competitive, anti consumer, and potentially manages its international tax burden off shore. Tell me which one is piracy in its purest form.
The marketing parrot perches well on the padded corporate shoulder.
Pretty much. Even if you aren't using their products, you are still paying their tax bill
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Let's face it, you now realise you wasted $600 for some rubbish netbook performance C64 lookalike PC with Linux C64 emulator present.
So pretty much all you can now do is play on the emulator....so you download the entire 3000 original tape and 10000 disk archives of C64 games OR pop in your Retrogenius Ultimate C64 DVD and run VICE emulator on it....way to go :roflmao:
They might as well give you a free Jack Sparrow toy in the box with all their incitement to pirate seeing as you CAN'T use real C64 tapes/disks/carts ;)
To put this in perspective: You CAN'T use real Amiga floppy disks on the AmigaOS 4, MorphOS, Aros or the FPGA based solutions either. Piracy is the only solution there as well :)
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To put this in perspective: You CAN'T use real Amiga floppy disks on the AmigaOS 4, MorphOS, Aros or the FPGA based solutions either. Piracy is the only solution there as well :)
aaaaactually, if Natami plays out, it should be able to :)
Here's to hoping!
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I was under the impression the downloads on c64.com had prior permission from the authors, but could be wrong on this.
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They might as well give you a free Jack Sparrow toy in the box with all their incitement to pirate seeing as you CAN'T use real C64 tapes/disks/carts ;)
You mean, the original C64 tapes and disks? :-) C64 games were always heavily pirated. I have got about 30 original C64 games and 300 pirated games on cassettes.
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aaaaactually, if Natami plays out, it should be able to :)
Here's to hoping!
Has natami a amiga floppy controller inside?. So you could hook up a amiga floppy and get the disks going?
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********** claim that the files are not hosted on their servers. But if you hover over the link it shows that they has set-up an account under their name on some file host thing.
Not that I am bothered because I use it all the time to download games off. Usually games that I own the tape for but it no longer works..... As unreliable as tape medium is.
Lemon64 do have a few games that they actually have permission to distribute on their site. It's only a handful though. But they do not host anything else on their site.
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To put this in perspective: You CAN'T use real Amiga floppy disks on the AmigaOS 4, MorphOS, Aros or the FPGA based solutions either. Piracy is the only solution there as well :)
You beat me to the punch!
Also, nice avatar.
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To put this in perspective: You CAN'T use real Amiga floppy disks on the AmigaOS 4, MorphOS, Aros or the FPGA based solutions either. Piracy is the only solution there as well :)
um. i do. my SAM has a catweasel MK4+ card and i can use it with both amiga disks and C64 disks, although the latter requires the use of VICE to run anything. the driver (http://www.retroreview.com/iang/Catweasel/), written for OS4, should also work on MorphOS if you have a power mac. as far i as know, anyone with a normal PC can use the card in conjunction with winUAE as well.
oh, and i'm not only OS4 user doing this: mike brantley talks about it on his web page (http://www.thevideojunkie.com/amiga/).
-- eliyahu
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Gamebase64 claim that the files are not hosted on their servers. But if you hover over the link it shows that they has set-up an account under their name on some file host thing.
Not that I am bothered because I use it all the time to download games off. Usually games that I own the tape for but it no longer works..... As unreliable as tape medium is.
Lemon64 do have a few games that they actually have permission to distribute on their site. It's only a handful though. But they do not host anything else on their site.
And that's the dilemma I have for my VIC-20 site being worked on. It's all well and good making the 1000s of videos of every game etc but without any file links to the actual images a bit of a waste of time.
(not gamebase front end related)
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And that's the dilemma I have for my VIC-20 site being worked on. It's all well and good making the 1000s of videos of every game etc but without any file links to the actual images a bit of a waste of time.
(not gamebase front end related)
Of course piracy never stopped that guy coming out with a cartridge for the VIC-20 that had a load of pirate software on it. I always hoped that he'd make on for the C64, but the MMC Replay and Chameleon 64 have taken away the need as they run T64 and D64 images.
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Has natami a amiga floppy controller inside?. So you could hook up a amiga floppy and get the disks going?
Yes, you can. You can hook up a PC floppy drive and read Amiga floppies too, since the Natami has a custom floppy controller which can make use of both kinds of drives.
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You know, Digiman, there plenty of reasons to criticize the C64x without making up retarded **** about it. You're fighting windmills.
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And that's the dilemma I have for my VIC-20 site being worked on. It's all well and good making the 1000s of videos of every game etc but without any file links to the actual images a bit of a waste of time.
(not gamebase front end related)
Its is a dark, grey and often murky area that we travel when it comes to images of anything. Often it's hard trying to work out what's freeware, abandon ware and still in copy right. I try to only grab images of stuff I own for when I am making video's. Also if I tend to play c64 and Amiga games as images these days because I don't want to potentially ruin the tape or disk.
As for the original post on this thread.
Piracy has been around for decades. Hell we had a few c64 tapes that were copies. I don't think that the C64X is promoting piracy any more than I promote healthy living.
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To put this in perspective: You CAN'T use real Amiga floppy disks on the AmigaOS 4, MorphOS, Aros or the FPGA based solutions either. Piracy is the only solution there as well :)
I know this has already been corrected, but - speaking as the person who wrote the part of the driver needed for original copy-protected disks - that's not true at all. I have several Amiga games installed on my A1 using WHDLoad and MorphOS should be able to do it too as I ported the driver to MorphOS (though they require a bit more work and Frank Wille is helping there). On AROS you can install some protected disks too from within JanusUAE.
On a C64x, though there's nowhere to plug a Catweasel, hence the difference.
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You know, Digiman, there plenty of reasons to criticize the C64x without making up retarded **** about it. You're fighting windmills.
So you would buy a £1000 C64x and only use it with ubuntu + firefox + open office etc and not VICE + game images of a C64 mk1 which it looks like :roflmao:
(as there is no cassette, cart or iec serial bus interface you can not play original games)
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Its is a dark, grey and often murky area that we travel when it comes to images of anything. Often it's hard trying to work out what's freeware, abandon ware and still in copy right. I try to only grab images of stuff I own for when I am making video's. Also if I tend to play c64 and Amiga games as images these days because I don't want to potentially ruin the tape or disk.
As for the original post on this thread.
Piracy has been around for decades. Hell we had a few c64 tapes that were copies. I don't think that the C64X is promoting piracy any more than I promote healthy living.
I have no problem with its mild piracy influence....even if it didn't exist VICE does and includes all roms pre-configured and the number of new VICE users is negligible. Was kinda tongue in cheek by blowing that aspect out of all proportion.
Put it this way, I bought an Acorn Archimedes 3000 but as there isn't a single copy of Zarch to be found for sale worldwide I will have to write back a downloaded ADF to disk. Not my fault and why it doesn't count for retro computers IMHO :)
Making an entire archive available from your website is a bit different in theory though.
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So you would buy a £1000 C64x and only use it with ubuntu + firefox + open office etc and not VICE + game images of a C64 mk1 which it looks like :roflmao:
(as there is no cassette, cart or iec serial bus interface you can not play original games)
Whatever I use it for is up to me. It's not promoting piracy simply by looking like a C64 and coming with VICE, anymore than an undertaker is guilty of murder for burying the deceased. If you really can't see the huge gap in your logic, I'm afraid I can't help you. But stepping out of sanity for a second to try to follow your unstable train of thought... why would I buy a C64 lookalike PC to run C64 games, when I could realistically get the real deal for a fifth of the price?
By the way, did you know that the C64 has a thriving PD and demo scene, with new free to use software being released daily?
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Piracy is part of the long Commodore tradition. The jolly roger is as much a commodore symbol as the chicken lips!
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@forcie
Can you write disks as well?
@eliyahu
Is there floppy support for the catweasel in vice now?, last time i checked it was only for sid playing. If there is floppy support now then i have to check it, as it was a feature i wanted for vice and the catweasel.
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Is there floppy support for the catweasel in vice now?, last time i checked it was only for sid playing. If there is floppy support now then i have to check it, as it was a feature i wanted for vice and the catweasel.
that's a good question. in truth i only use it for transferring old amiga disks to my local hard disks or transferring old files for use in dosbox. i know you can mount the disks just fine, but whether or not you can point VICE to the mountpoint as a 'disk' i do not know.
anyone? :confused:
-- eliyahu
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Let's face it, you now realise you wasted $600 for some rubbish netbook performance C64 lookalike PC with Linux C64 emulator present.
So pretty much all you can now do is play on the emulator....so you download the entire 3000 original tape and 10000 disk archives of C64 games OR pop in your Retrogenius Ultimate C64 DVD and run VICE emulator on it....way to go :roflmao:
They might as well give you a free Jack Sparrow toy in the box with all their incitement to pirate seeing as you CAN'T use real C64 tapes/disks/carts ;)
Then, emulators for all platforms are promoting piracy?
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Then, emulators for all platforms are promoting piracy?
well, yeah. In most cases, its piracy nobody in the end cares about (doubt anyone will get sued for downloading shadow of the beast for the C64) but it's still technically illegal.
It's just that when its these age old games, nobody in the end cares, and that's fine by me.
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well, yeah. In most cases, its piracy
No. There's a huge difference between enabling, supporting and promoting piracy. Enabling piracy (which is usually as far as emulators go down the piracy spectrum) is something that most things are obviously guilty of. Even basic verbal communication allows us to infringe on copyrights and intellectual property, as do a pair of hands and an internet connection. The ultimate responsibility to do the right thing in all these cases is yours.
What you personally do on your end with an emulator has NOTHING to do with the policies and goals of the developers of that emulator, something that they sometimes even explicitly mention in their terms of use document, in case someone who, like yourself, is unable to comprehend their own responsibilities and rights and comes along.
You also seem to fail to understand the difference between illicitly using software that you have not paid for and using an emulator. I guess mp3 automatically means copyright protected music and .avi files are only illegal divx rips as well in your fantasy universe.
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that's a good question. in truth i only use it for transferring old amiga disks to my local hard disks or transferring old files for use in dosbox. i know you can mount the disks just fine, but whether or not you can point VICE to the mountpoint as a 'disk' i do not know.
The answer is yes - kind of.
The CBM0: mountlist works sufficiently - I've had some trouble writing to it from memory, but I think reading is ok. You can therefore mount CBM0: and point VICE to CBM0: as a filesystem, I think, but I've not done it for a while.
Every now and again I feel like trying to get Vice to use the Catweasel for direct drive access - in theory it should be possible as I believe (unlike UAE) there's a cycle-exact version of Vice, and with the MkIV hardware you can make it fire off an interrupt when the signal changes, I think.
In other words, I think it's possible, but I just don't have the time given 99% of games you can just get cracked versions of anyway which you can image. Maybe one day - it would be cool. :)
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No. There's a huge difference between enabling, supporting and promoting piracy. Enabling piracy (which is usually as far as emulators go down the piracy spectrum) is something that most things are obviously guilty of. Even basic verbal communication allows us to infringe on copyrights and intellectual property, as do a pair of hands and an internet connection. The ultimate responsibility to do the right thing in all these cases is yours.
What you personally do on your end with an emulator has NOTHING to do with the policies and goals of the developers of that emulator, something that they sometimes even explicitly mention in their terms of use document, in case someone who, like yourself, is unable to comprehend their own responsibilities and rights and comes along.
You also seem to fail to understand the difference between illicitly using software that you have not paid for and using an emulator. I guess mp3 automatically means copyright protected music and .avi files are only illegal divx rips as well in your fantasy universe.
Right, and Napster was not intended at all to pirate music.
Do everyone a favour and get over yourself. Nobody cares if you are pirating 20 year old computer or console games.
It's still illegal however.
Jumping up and down on the internet about how it's totally just for legitimate uses isn't convincing anyone, and it just makes you look sad and overly defensive.
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Right, and Napster was not intended at all to pirate music.
Do everyone a favour and get over yourself. Nobody cares if you are pirating 20 year old computer or console games.
It's still illegal however.
Jumping up and down on the internet about how it's totally just for legitimate uses isn't convincing anyone, and it just makes you look sad and overly defensive.
Way to miss my point as well as what I literally said. It doesn't matter if you or everyone use emulators for software you don't own the rights to use. The emulator itself is entirely legal and does not (in any of the cases I know, including VICE) "promote" piracy in any way.
Even if your faulty reasoning was correct, as I mentioned earlier, the C64 (like most other popular classic platforms) has a thriving PD and demo scene, and as thick as your skull seems to be, you still ought to understand that this provides several legitimate reasons to use an emulator. I personally code demos for the C64 and use VICE primarily to test and debug my software. VICE contains tools specifically to aid development and debugging, because that is one of its more frequent areas of use.
PS. I'd prefer if you address the points I make in a reasonable manner instead of pathetically dismissing the whole message in a single blow.
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Tell you what Linde:
We'll make a deal.
I'll give a **** about what you type when you can do it without resorting to petty insults and attacks.
Until then, have a pleasant day.
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Tell you what Linde:
We'll make a deal.
I'll give a **** about what you type when you can do it without resorting to petty insults and attacks.
Until then, have a pleasant day.
It's fun to see the guy who based pretty much his whole last post on ad hominem attacks and insinuations play butthurt to bail on an argument he's losing. At least I have something constructive to say between the crap, even if you think it makes me look sad and overly defensive. Maybe I should just get over myself!
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While I'm not a fan of the C64x or CUSA by any stretch, failing to see how the product promotes piracy any worse than any other PC.
Last I heard it didn't even come with VICE type emulator.
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It's fun to see the guy who based pretty much his whole last post on ad hominem attacks and insinuations play butthurt to bail on an argument he's losing. At least I have something constructive to say between the crap, even if you think it makes me look sad and overly defensive. Maybe I should just get over myself!
yay, you won the internet. :afro:
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Speaking as guy who *blanked so I don't get nicked* I don't give a toss if the cruddy piece of crap doorstop that pretends to be something it's not promotes piracy or not. Another run of C64 DTV would be far more welcome. They are starting to get silly price tags:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/getDigital-de-C64-DTV-Joystick/dp/B00423LSU2
LMAO!
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Speaking as guy who *blanked so I don't get nicked* I don't give a toss if the cruddy piece of crap doorstop that pretends to be something it's not promotes piracy or not. Another run of C64 DTV would be far more welcome. They are starting to get silly price tags:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/getDigital-de-C64-DTV-Joystick/dp/B00423LSU2
LMAO!
Holy crap! Talk about being an optimist! I'd better tell my son to look after his as it should be able to fund him through 3 years of university by the time he graduates high school.
Seriously though, who would pay a price like that when you can order a Chameleon64 from Vesalia that does a hell of a lot more for way less.
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You beat me to the punch!
Also, nice avatar.
Thanks jorkany :)
"Afterwards, it's like a dream
You can't remember but it seems
To stay alive inside your mind
And prey upon your leisure time"
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OK, I stand corrected. There seems to have been developments regarding Amiga floppy disks and NG Amigas that I wasn't aware of. So let me re-phrase my original comment:
To put this in perspective: It may be possible to use real Amiga floppy disks on the AmigaOS 4, MorphOS, Aros or the FPGA based solutions. But piracy is the most common solution there as well :)
I just find it a bit silly to use piracy as an argument against the C64x, that's all.