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Amiga computer related discussion => General chat about Amiga topics => Topic started by: haywirepc on April 07, 2011, 11:21:49 PM
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Funny :
http://www.amiga.com/news/2011-04-06-icontain-amiga.php
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"Android: it's like Linux, only it's perfectly happy to let your phone provider lock out whatever they choose so they can sell it back to you!"
What a win!
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Funny :
http://www.amiga.com/news/2011-04-06-icontain-amiga.php
Wow, Mr. Bill steps on Barry's toes.
No matter what you think of Altman and C=USA, you've got to have sympathy for him dealing with this shyster.
Currrrse!
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Wow, Mr. Bill steps on Barry's toes.
No matter what you think of Altman and C=USA, you've got to have sympathy for him dealing with this shyster.
Currrrse!
In computer terms, the news is ancient.
6 weeks old.
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I love this bit:
Amiga is also announcing their give forward program, and will donate $25.00 per unit sold to supported groups and charities.
How about "donating" $50 to all the "coupon" holders out there who are still waiting? I hope those charities get more than an I.O.U.
Still, now that Amiga Inc have some money, it might be time for a class action lawsuit to recover the $50 and $200 amounts owning to previous customers.
I'm still rather confused though, Commodore USA was claiming that these tablets were theirs while Amiga Inc's press release seems to think otherwise. Perhaps C-USA and Amiga Inc are closer than we think...
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In computer terms, the news is ancient.
6 weeks old.
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I wasn't even aware McEwen had the website back up.
I'd heard a few things about tablets, but I assumed they were from C=USA.
At least the C64x has a distinctive package.
Why in the world would I want one of these iContain things?
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I wasn't even aware McEwen had the website back up.
I'd heard a few things about tablets, but I assumed they were from C=USA.
At least the C64x has a distinctive package.
Why in the world would I want one of these iContain things?
From February:
IContain announces Amiga branded TVs, cell phones and computers (http://amigaworld.net/modules/news/article.php?storyid=5831)
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Whatever people say about CUSA at least they are doing something relevant to Commodore in looks if nothing else.
I can't see what this is other than a standard tablet computer. Is there anything Amiga about it, even an emulator?
Alas it never rains it pours, nothing for years then two announcements in succession.
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From February:
IContain announces Amiga branded TVs, cell phones and computers (http://amigaworld.net/modules/news/article.php?storyid=5831)
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"IContain announces Amiga branded TVs, cell phones and computers"
Barry IS dealing with Satan.
The TVs I knew about.
The cell phones I couldn't care less about.
But that last part, boy I'm glad I'm beyond caring about that trademark.
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From February:
IContain announces Amiga branded TVs, cell phones and computers (http://amigaworld.net/modules/news/article.php?storyid=5831)
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Here's a theory: Perhaps Barry didn't pay for the rights using hard cash, perhaps he paid for it with hardware for Amiga Inc to sell...
(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b134/darrin01311/ofah2-1.jpg)
Sing along now folks...
Stick a pony in me pocket
I'll fetch the suitcase from the van
Cause if you want the best 'uns
And you don't ask questions
Then brother I'm your man
Where it all comes from
Is a mystery
It's like the changing of the seasons
And the tides of the sea
But heres the one thats driving me berserk
Why do only fools and horses work
La la lala - la la la la la (etc)
We've got some half priced cracked ice
And miles and miles of carpet tiles
TV's, deep freeze and David Bowie LP's
Pool games, gold chains, wosnames
And at a push
Some Trevor Francis track-suites
From a mush in Shepherds Bush, Bush, Bush,
Bush, Bush, Bush, Bush, Bush
No income tax, no VAT
No money back, no guarantee
Black or white, rich or broke
We'll cut prices at a stroke
God bless Hooky Street
Viva Hooky Street
Long live Hooky Street
C'est magnifique Hooky Street
Magnifique Hooky Street
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"IContain announces Amiga branded TVs, cell phones and computers"
Barry IS dealing with Satan.
The TVs I knew about.
The cell phones I couldn't care less about.
But that last part, boy I'm glad I'm beyond caring about that trademark.
Mighty quick read for a thread packed with that much content and that many links. heh.
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I love this bit:
How about "donating" $50 to all the "coupon" holders out there who are still waiting? I hope those charities get more than an I.O.U.
ya..still waiting for my t-shirt:roflmao:...pfft AI my arse should be AIOU! shysters:madashell:
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Mighty quick read for a thread packed with that much content and that many links. heh.
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Seems pretty basic. McEwen intends to dilute the value of the name till its worth about as much as say an "Acme" computer.
At your service day or night
We do the job and do it right
AAAAcme!
(http://wiki.bookrags.com/thumb/6/6d/Birdinhead.jpg/400px-Birdinhead.jpg)
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I love this bit:
How about "donating" $50 to all the "coupon" holders out there who are still waiting? I hope those charities get more than an I.O.U.
Still, now that Amiga Inc have some money, it might be time for a class action lawsuit to recover the $50 and $200 amounts owning to previous customers.
I would +1 but you are forgetting a few things. The original "Amiga Inc" by Sheeplord and McBill is long, long gone. There was a little shell game with IP shuffle that went on. The "Amino" era Amiga Inc is history and I bet certain people out there would like it to remain history. I do seem to remember a brief resurrection during the Amiga Inc/Hyperion legal cat fight.
Anyhow the current Amiga Inc, however legal the forming which I will reserve judgement, has no obligation to the coupon and other sca^h^h^h promotions.
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You can shuffle rights and names, but you can't shuffle blame
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Also from Bill's website
"COMMODORE USA ANNOUNCES ACQUISITION OF AMIGA EXCLUSIVE WORLDWIDE LICENSING RIGHTS"
http://www.amiga.com/news/2010-08-31-commodore-amiga-aio.php
And, "LET'S TALK ABOUT
- Amiga Business Development and Corporate Sales (http://www.amiga.com/sales/index.php)
- Licensing the Amiga Brand..." (http://www.amiga.com/sales/index.php?p=brand)
http://www.amiga.com/sales/
Contact Bill. I'm sure he'll give you "exclusive rights" too.
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You can shuffle rights and names, but you can't shuffle blame
Tell them that. Morally I agree, but I seem to remember Amiga Inc during the era of fake^h^h^h^h CEO Garry Hare mentioning that Amiga Inc was a totally different company and had no obligations to past debts.
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Wow, Mr. Bill steps on Barry's toes.
No matter what you think of Altman and C=USA, you've got to have sympathy for him dealing with this shyster.
Currrrse!
I don't mean to seem too heartless, but anyone that's spent any time looking over the history and antics of A.Inc and still wants in the game, has got to prepare for the worst.
But I don't wonder that this Commodore/Amiga market saturation from so many angles might actually work to the benefit of the whole gang.
Plaz
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Tell them that. Morally I agree, but I seem to remember Amiga Inc during the era of fake^h^h^h^h CEO Garry Hare mentioning that Amiga Inc was a totally different company and had no obligations to past debts.
Yeah, Im with you. Its a legal dodge, and I presume nobody felt it was worth throwing lawyer money at it to get him to come clean.
There's a site out there that outlines in a lot of detail all the maneuverings from that era. Its sort of interesting, if you have a rainy afternoon to spend.
It also brings into question whether amiga.inc ever actually had rights to what they say they had rights to.
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There's a site out there that outlines in a lot of detail all the maneuverings from that era. Its sort of interesting, if you have a rainy afternoon to spend.
I've read the site, it lays things out pretty well. There is not much that I didn't already know, but the author really put effort into compiling the info. Most of it seems accurate.
This brings up a question. Where you around during the Garry Harre episode? Thinking back *WOW* what a sh**-storm that started! Come to think of it that explosion was larger this this one, so far.
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I've read the site, it lays things out pretty well. There is not much that I didn't already know, but the author really put effort into compiling the info. Most of it seems accurate.
This brings up a question. Where you around during the Garry Harre episode? Thinking back *WOW* what a sh**-storm that started! Come to think of it that explosion was larger this this one, so far.
Yeah, it mostly compiles all the documents and scans, which is nice.
And no, I had absolutely no idea anything happened with amiga's post commodore until the last 2 or 3 years, believe it or not.
I got rid of my trusty old 1200 in 98 (I believe), and figured it was all over.
It was within the last couple of years that I realized just what had transpired, and my mind was formally blown :)
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It was within the last couple of years that I realized just what had transpired, and my mind was formally blown :)
This is not an insult, I say this because many people take it as an insult.
If you weren't there, you really won't get it. The Kommunity has always fed on itself. Things get really, really nasty at times. People you thought were your friends for years all of a sudden claim you are a paid shill and wish death on your family. Eventually after much scorched earth, a group of users stage an exodus and everything pretty much returns to normal.
Now is probably no different. The true rage is probably yet to come, then a staged exodus by a small group of people. Eventually the fires will die and everyone left will rebuild.
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Also from Bill's website
"COMMODORE USA ANNOUNCES ACQUISITION OF AMIGA EXCLUSIVE WORLDWIDE LICENSING RIGHTS"
http://www.amiga.com/news/2010-08-31-commodore-amiga-aio.php
And, "LET'S TALK ABOUT
- Amiga Business Development and Corporate Sales (http://www.amiga.com/sales/index.php)
- Licensing the Amiga Brand..." (http://www.amiga.com/sales/index.php?p=brand)
http://www.amiga.com/sales/
Contact Bill. I'm sure he'll give you "exclusive rights" too.
CUSA has exclusive rights for all-in-one keyboard computers. Not exclusive rights for everything.
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ya..still waiting for my t-shirt:roflmao:...pfft AI my arse should be AIOU! shysters:madashell:
I got my t-shirt! That "Hare" chappy (whatever his name was) sent it to me. :)
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I would +1 but you are forgetting a few things. The original "Amiga Inc" by Sheeplord and McBill is long, long gone. There was a little shell game with IP shuffle that went on. The "Amino" era Amiga Inc is history and I bet certain people out there would like it to remain history. I do seem to remember a brief resurrection during the Amiga Inc/Hyperion legal cat fight.
Anyhow the current Amiga Inc, however legal the forming which I will reserve judgement, has no obligation to the coupon and other sca^h^h^h promotions.
I gave up trying to keep track of who owned what and what position they were in. Most of them seem locked in a "69". :D
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I got my t-shirt! That "Hare" chappy (whatever his name was) sent it to me. :)
Amigans should be used to hair shirts by now. ;-)
(http://img59.imageshack.us/i/sweetlorraines.jpg)
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Amigans should be used to hair shirts by now. ;-)
(http://img59.imageshack.us/i/sweetlorraines.jpg)
Und der ledder underpants!
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CUSA has exclusive rights for all-in-one keyboard computers. Not exclusive rights for everything.
And since these things don't have keyboards they're OK?
Come on, if C=USA is successful, do they deserve to have the confusion this is going to cause in the buyer market?
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And since these things don't have keyboards they're OK?
Come on, if C=USA is successful, do they deserve to have the confusion this is going to cause in the buyer market?
Confusion in the buyers market? You mean branding something non-Amiga as Amiga? :confused:
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Confusion in the buyers market? You mean branding something non-Amiga as Amiga? :confused:
Since that argument died in 1994, I don't think its relevant.
You don't seriously think that 17 years later a new Amiga would support legacy software do you?
Hey the XBOX360 doesn't play a single original XBOX title, and the hardware is completely different than the original system, but no one questions that it is a successor to the original system
You may not like it, but you've got no control over what direction Amiga hardware takes.
You also don't even know what the specs on these new machines maybe or what software they'll run, but you've already decided they're not Amigas.
Guess what, you opinion doesn't hold water in the legal or business communities.
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And since these things don't have keyboards they're OK?
They are not all-in-one keyboard computers.
Come on, if C=USA is successful, do they deserve to have the confusion this is going to cause in the buyer market?
Yes. They licensed the Amiga name for one specific type of product. Amiga Inc. is free to license the name to other companies for other products.
Same thing with the Commodore name.
http://www.commodoregaming.com/
http://www.commodorecorp.com/
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Since that argument died in 1994, I don't think its relevant.
You don't seriously think that 17 years later a new Amiga would support legacy software do you?
Hey the XBOX360 doesn't play a single original XBOX title, and the hardware is completely different than the original system, but no one questions that it is a successor to the original system
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Xbox_games_compatible_with_Xbox_360
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You don't seriously think that 17 years later a new Amiga would support legacy software do you?
You mean MOS and OS4.x can't run ANY Amiga software natively?
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They are not all-in-one keyboard computers.
Yes. They licensed the Amiga name for one specific type of product. Amiga Inc. is free to license the name to other companies for other products.
Same thing with the Commodore name.
http://www.commodoregaming.com/
http://www.commodorecorp.com/
Regarding the above, in the words of Barry:
"There are no other licensees."
and
"pssssst.....poof!"
source (http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=33044&forum=17&start=20&viewmode=flat&order=0)
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Regarding the above, in the words of Barry:
"There are no other licensees."
and
"pssssst.....poof!"
source (http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=33044&forum=17&start=20&viewmode=flat&order=0)
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I was shown info that would back this up.
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You mean MOS and OS4.x can't run ANY Amiga software natively?
Of course they don't.
That ought to be obvious.
Neither OS runs on a 68K processor.
When it comes down to it, neither runs AOS3.X software any more natively than AROS does.
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I thought they both ran 3.x software if it doesn't hit the hardware ?
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I thought they both ran 3.x software if it doesn't hit the hardware ?
While ingenious, MorphOS' solution involves a just-in-time interpreter that actively translates 68K instructions on the fly. Since MOS supports most AOS 3.1 system calls, this allows it to run a lot of Amiga apps.
So yes, MorphOS runs 68K Amiga apps, just not natively.
And while I don't know enough about AOS4's internal workings to describe how it handles this task, as it too runs on PPC processors it isn't running 3,x apps natively either.
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While ingenious, MorphOS' solution involves a just-in-time interpreter that actively translates 68K instructions on the fly. Since MOS supports most AOS 3.1 system calls, this allows it to run a lot of Amiga apps.
So yes, MorphOS runs 68K Amiga apps, just not natively.
And while I don't know enough about AOS4's internal workings to describe how it handles this task, as it too runs on PPC processors it isn't running 3,x apps natively either.
picky, picky. They translate the instructions, but they're not emulating an Amiga.
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picky, picky. They translate the instructions, but they're not emulating an Amiga.
Oh no! That's exactly the point! They ARE emulating an Amiga while running 3.X apps.
The fun part is when you start developing and running REAL native apps.
That has to be the most frustrating part of being part of the MorphOS community.
We've got a damned good derivative of AOS.
Better than, AOS and better hardware.
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Oh, hey, one quick qualifier. Warp3D software does run natively (they even got rid of some of the bugs).
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so more or less ala WINE but for a different (if similar) architecture ?
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so more or less ala WINE but for a different (if similar) architecture ?
YES! Now you've got it. And have you used Wine lately? ?It's actually getting useful.
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YES! Now you've got it. And have you used Wine lately? ?It's actually getting useful.
The only things I run in it are the Steel Panthers remakes, and King of Dragon Pass. Its coming along nicely though
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The only things I run in it are the Steel Panthers remakes, and King of Dragon Pass. Its coming along nicely though
Yeah, it scares me. When it was first introduced all I could think was "this will never work".
And now, sometimes, it does.
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Yeah, it scares me. When it was first introduced all I could think was "this will never work".
And now, sometimes, it does.
I only really use it for games. It works great for 2D stuff. 3D.. it depends. I managed to get Unreal 2 to run but I havent tried it much.
Half the PC games I want to play need DOSBOX rather than WINE ;)
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Funny :
http://www.amiga.com/news/2011-04-06-icontain-amiga.php
Cool! :)
And here is "Android 3", with a "New UI designed from the ground up for tablets":
http://developer.android.com/sdk/android-3.0-highlights.html
:)
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And people with braincells in multiple figures will be purchasing one of these....
http://www.pcworld.co.uk/gbuk/advent-vega-tablet-pc-512mb-09149756-pdt.html
And print their own Amiga sticker and download their Amiga boing ball wallpaper
:roflmao:
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And people with braincells in multiple figures will be purchasing one of these....
http://www.pcworld.co.uk/gbuk/advent-vega-tablet-pc-512mb-09149756-pdt.html
And print their own Amiga sticker and download their Amiga boing ball wallpaper
:roflmao:
Hmm, this so much reminds me of the Teron/AmigaOne debate! :lol:
(And it's great fun to see certain people, both here and on other sites, that a few years ago advocated certain products because of the Amiga sticker, now using the very same counter arguments they were faced by back then! :) )
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http://www.androidguys.com/2011/04/07/packard-bell-amiga-enter-android-tablet-fray/#more-24875
2 different tablets but got me thinking. One being this new Amiga version being talked about, the other some Packard Bell. Didnt PB get bought out by Acer who also own all of Gateways old assets including some things Amiga related? IF that was the case, surely there new range of tablets and anything else for that matter could use the Amiga name in any way they choose?
I could be way of the mark though as im still unclear if Amino/Amiga.com/Bill McEwen actualy own everything Amiga related.
Bloody mindfield..
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Hmm, this so much reminds me of the Teron/AmigaOne debate! :lol:
(And it's great fun to see certain people, both here and on other sites, that a few years ago advocated certain products because of the Amiga sticker, now using the very same counter arguments they were faced by back then! :) )
Not me, I bought an A1000 because of it's specification and superiority not the label on the box, I bought the A1200 only because it was the only machine with 1280x512x photo-realistic display.
I have refused to buy quite a few Amigas at the time of launch too. I would have bought the original AmigaONE to run OS4 but even then would not have classed that as a real Amiga (no Paula chip on the motherboard).
All I am saying is if you want an Android tablet with an Amiga logo on it...get that one and print your logo out. Makes no difference to the functionality ;)
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http://www.androidguys.com/2011/04/07/packard-bell-amiga-enter-android-tablet-fray/#more-24875
2 different tablets but got me thinking. One being this new Amiga version being talked about, the other some Packard Bell. Didnt PB get bought out by Acer who also own all of Gateways old assets including some things Amiga related? IF that was the case, surely there new range of tablets and anything else for that matter could use the Amiga name in any way they choose?
I could be way of the mark though as im still unclear if Amino/Amiga.com/Bill McEwen actualy own everything Amiga related.
Bloody mindfield..
Because someone outside of Amiga Inc needs to stand up and show their legal entitlement to various aspects of Amiga IP :)
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http://www.androidguys.com/2011/04/07/packard-bell-amiga-enter-android-tablet-fray/#more-24875
2 different tablets but got me thinking. One being this new Amiga version being talked about, the other some Packard Bell. Didnt PB get bought out by Acer who also own all of Gateways old assets including some things Amiga related? IF that was the case, surely there new range of tablets and anything else for that matter could use the Amiga name in any way they choose?
I could be way of the mark though as im still unclear if Amino/Amiga.com/Bill McEwen actualy own everything Amiga related.
Bloody mindfield..
The IContain deal was penned by the executor of the Kouri Family Trust. This has nothing to do with McEwen.
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The IContain deal was penned by the executor of the Kouri Family Trust. This has nothing to do with McEwen.
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Ok lets put it another way, If some big company wanted to buy the entire Amiga IP whatever that includes & not just licence the name, Who would they talk to? I would assume Amino but is it all there's to sell ?
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Ok lets put it another way, If some big company wanted to buy the entire Amiga IP whatever that includes & not just licence the name, Who would they talk to? I would assume Amino but is it all there's to sell ?
Mark Thomann at Pluritas is handling Amiga Inc.'s affairs.
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It's a Haipad M7
http://www.shenit.com/haipad-m7-dropad-a8-samsung-pv210-1ghz-android-2-2-tablet-capacitive-touch-screen-flash-10-1.html (http://www.shenit.com/haipad-m7-dropad-a8-samsung-pv210-1ghz-android-2-2-tablet-capacitive-touch-screen-flash-10-1.html)
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It's a Haipad M7
http://www.shenit.com/haipad-m7-dropad-a8-samsung-pv210-1ghz-android-2-2-tablet-capacitive-touch-screen-flash-10-1.html (http://www.shenit.com/haipad-m7-dropad-a8-samsung-pv210-1ghz-android-2-2-tablet-capacitive-touch-screen-flash-10-1.html)
It can't be, that one is only $225! Where has the other $75 gone? Well, $25 has gone to "charity" and the other $50 has possible gone to buying explosives for Bin Laden or something.
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Oh no! That's exactly the point! They ARE emulating an Amiga while running 3.X apps.
No they're not. They are emulating a 68k CPU, that's it. They're not emulating anything else (like the custom chips, or AmigaOS).
YES! Now you've got it. And have you used Wine lately?
WINE is not an emulator either, actually the acronym stands for "WINE is not an Emulator".
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@thread
Sorry, this link is a few days old now. (April 7,2011)
Packard Bell and Amiga Enter Android Tablet Fray (http://www.androidguys.com/2011/04/07/packard-bell-amiga-enter-android-tablet-fray)
classic quote:
"It's hard to know exactly which "Amiga" this is."
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For the amount of dropping, scratching, bouncing around in the car and being used as a coaster at the bar my $99 Android tablet takes, I couldn't see spending more than $99 on another one.
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Hey the XBOX360 doesn't play a single original XBOX title, and the hardware is completely different than the original system, but no one questions that it is a successor to the original system
Yes, the hardware is completely different(PPC vs x86), however, you are 100% wrong about it not playing a single original XBOX title.
All original Xbox titles sold at Game Stop that have a product ID number ending in "BC" are in fact "Backwards Compatible" with the 360. I have at least 5 such games and I know there are MANY more...
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so more or less ala WINE but for a different (if similar) architecture ?
WINE is an API compatibility layer, not a CPU emulator. What MOS and AOS use is more of a CPU translator similar to what Apple used in its transition from 68K to PPC and later PPC to x86(Rosetta).
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ANdroid is cool.
(http://6.mshcdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/cool-android.jpg)