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The "Not Quite Amiga but still computer related category" => Alternative Operating Systems => Topic started by: Valis on April 07, 2011, 05:48:25 PM
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Since there seems to be a lot of CUSA activity here I thought this might be a good place for a some decent discussion. I've seen recently the C64x has been offered for "pre order" on the Commodore website.
I'm curious as to why a company that has millions of dollars in advertising revenue alone would need to start pre-ordering months in advance, for June in this case, instead of just waiting until they have their product ready to actually deliver.
Seems curious when they are so obviously tied to a community that is so fraught with a long history of pre-order disasters. Many of those unintentional, but from honest people that got in over their heads and couldn't deliver what they though they could at the last minute.
Just was wanted to see what CUSA representatives here had to say about the reason for a multi-million dollar company taking money well in advance of having product ready to ship.
Look forward to the discussion. Thanks.
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Cos Barry after buying a shipload of redundant PC motherboards needed to find out how many mugs were out there that were looking for retro stuff. He knew these mugs would pay a hell of a lot more for these old motherboards if he stuffed them in an old retro style case rather sell them off to folk who knew what they were and just how little they are really worth... ;)
Actually quite shrewd to be honest, but I still don't like him... :)
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If you are worried about it, use a Visa or Mastercard, you have more then enough consumer protection to safe guard your purchase. Now if they were only accepting bank drafts, now that would be pretty dodgy.
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@Valis
Valid question that has still gone unanswered.
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Since there seems to be a lot of CUSA activity here I thought this might be a good place for a some decent discussion.
You couldn't have been more wrong. They have their own forums, where i'd imagine you'd get a better response.
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Same reason as to why you have to wait 3 weeks for a VIC.
CUSA doesn't have anything in stock.
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Seems curious when they are so obviously tied to a community that is so fraught with a long history of pre-order disasters.
Are they? My impression is that the said community wants nothing to do with C=USA and they're actually targeting a totally different crowd (nu-retro folks.. someone who doesn't care what is inside the box as long as it looks nice & runs facebook and messenger). Makes sense, after all this nu-retro scene has a huge potential compared to the tiny classic retro crowd.
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You couldn't have been more wrong. They have their own forums, where i'd imagine you'd get a better response.
+1
Yeah it has been made painfully obvious that decent discussion is no longer appreciated at Amiga.org but I digress..
In answer to your original question, many if not most companies take pre-orders... I am certain that if I had a DIME into a project of this magnitude I would take pre-orders as well...
If folks don't like the pre-ordering offer for whatever reason, then don't pre-order...
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Are they? My impression is that the said community wants nothing to do with C=USA and they're actually targeting a totally different crowd (nu-retro folks.. someone who doesn't care what is inside the box as long as it looks nice & runs facebook and messenger). Makes sense, after all this nu-retro scene has a huge potential compared to the tiny classic retro crowd.
Out of curiosity, what makes a PC in a C64 case an interest to an amiga community, as opposed to a C64 one?
Im not actually trying to be snide here, I think its a cool idea, if overpriced for what you get.
But Im not sure there's much relevance other than "the company that made your computer also made this other computer, so here's a netbook power PC put into that case".
A PC in a spectrum case would be as relevant.
If I was in the market for something "retro amiga" that isnt my 1200, I'd go with Morph OS instead
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Regarding the subject, the way I've heard this story is that the first batch of orders is going to a big-box retailer, thus delaying sales to individuals. Just repeating what I've read.
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now if they were only accepting bank drafts, now that would be pretty dodgy.
:lol:
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Because it's all a load of -moderated-?
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You know I find it amazing all the folks who say they'd love one of these C64x cases, Why.... ???
I mean have you ever owned or used an original C64 breadbox style case, it's the worst design ever when it comes to doing any prolonged typing on, the C64c case was far more comfortable to use... :)
It's not like this case is something new and has never been seen or available before, if you really wanted a C64 case then for donkeys years they have been and still are available on eBay, so why not if you really want a C64 breadbox style case just buy the genuine article on eBay rip the MB out and do whatever it is you need this case for... :)
It's way beyond me why anyone thinks this C64x case is so amazing and a "must have" or "cool" item... I just don't get it... :confused:
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Out of curiosity, what makes a PC in a C64 case an interest to an amiga community, as opposed to a C64 one?
Im not actually trying to be snide here, I think its a cool idea, if overpriced for what you get.
But Im not sure there's much relevance other than "the company that made your computer also made this other computer, so here's a netbook power PC put into that case".
A PC in a spectrum case would be as relevant.
If I was in the market for something "retro amiga" that isnt my 1200, I'd go with Morph OS instead
As has been stated multiple times it is relevant if it resides in the part of the forum that addresses other operating systems or computer systems. Pretty much anything is fair game in that location. Once again if folks don't like it don't open the threads..
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Regarding the subject, the way I've heard this story is that the first batch of orders is going to a big-box retailer, thus delaying sales to individuals. Just repeating what I've read.
Doesn't explain the need for pre-orders.
Most companies won't take your money until they have product ready to ship.
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Are they? My impression is that the said community wants nothing to do with C=USA and they're actually targeting a totally different crowd (nu-retro folks.. someone who doesn't care what is inside the box as long as it looks nice & runs facebook and messenger). Makes sense, after all this nu-retro scene has a huge potential compared to the tiny classic retro crowd.
Dead on, Piru. Months ago talking to Barry that was the general consensus.
We aren't C=USA's target market.
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Out of curiosity, what makes a PC in a C64 case an interest to an amiga community, as opposed to a C64 one?
The interest would come from the fact that most Amiga users bought their Amiga as an upgrade to a C64. While the machines were not compatible with each other, they are forever linked as part of the same line.
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The interest would come from the fact that most Amiga users bought their Amiga as an upgrade to a C64. While the machines were not compatible with each other, they are forever linked as part of the same line.
Thats what i figured, but we dont even have a C64 forum here. I'd imagine the link from the original C64 to the original amiga would be a lot closer than the link from the 64x to whatever is considered amiga now.
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Dead on, Piru. Months ago talking to Barry that was the general consensus.
We aren't C=USA's target market.
So why is Barry here and Dammy and Leo and WolfToTheMoon pushing this stuff if Barry has stated that we are not his target market... :confused:
Simple reason is, he's just here to try and piss us all off... :furious:
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So why is Barry here and Dammy and Leo and WolfToTheMoon pushing this stuff if Barry has stated that we are not his target market... :confused:
Simple reason is, he's just here to try and piss us all off... :furious:
Actually no Franko, pissing people off is your only mission in life...
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@Iggy
Precisely. The market is for those who's first computer may have been a C64, but who have never considered retro in the past. They don't really want a C64, but they do want to relive some dreams. We all know some people that will just squee when they hear about it.
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@Iggy
Precisely. The market is for those who's first computer may have been a C64, but who have never considered retro in the past. They don't really want a C64, but they do want to relive some dreams. We all know some people that will just squee when they hear about it.
I'm glad to see someone gets this. Purists aren't going to buy C=USA's products. And all their pissing and moaning probably won't make a dent in the sales.
As has been mentioned here before and you appear to understand, these systems are going to appeal to new retro fans who find the appearance and name attractive, but want a current OS.
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Thats what i figured, but we dont even have a C64 forum here. I'd imagine the link from the original C64 to the original amiga would be a lot closer than the link from the 64x to whatever is considered amiga now.
You can run aros or uae on the c64x, so technically the 64x is more ontopic than an actual c64.
breadbox 64 is cool, I only don't use mine because it has a fault while my c128 is solid.
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You can run aros or uae on the c64x, so technically the 64x is more ontopic than an actual c64.
breadbox 64 is cool, I only don't use mine because it has a fault while my c128 is solid.
This is true. I look forward to all the talk about Dell computers. Great amiga deals.
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This is true. I look forward to all the talk about Dell computers. Great amiga deals.
Personally, I've never owned an X86 I didn't build. But if it came to a choice of buying one from Micheal Dell or Barry Altman, I'd buy the C=USA machine (I really dislike Dell)
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Personally, I've never owned an X86 I didn't build. But if it came to a choice of buying one from Micheal Dell or Barry Altman, I'd buy the C=USA machine (I really dislike Dell)
Awe Gawd... don't say that now were gonna have umpteen threads about how people really hate Dell and I'll have to go out and buy a Dell product just so I can hate it... :(
Will the madness never end... :crazy:
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Awe Gawd... don't say that now were gonna have umpteen threads about how people really hate Dell and I'll have to go out and buy a Dell product just so I can hate it... :(
Will the madness never end... :crazy:
Why not? After all you've got Apple computers (so do I) and Steve Jobs is a nob.
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Why not? After all you've got Apple computers (so do I) and Steve Jobs is a nob.
True... these poxy iMacs suck big time, QuicktimePro f's up if you upgrade it beyond Ver 7.6.4, Safari's got all sorts of problems if you go beyond Ver 5.0.2 and Steve Jobs f'd up when they took him beyond Ver 0.1... bloody CrApple... :furious:
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i would'nt pre-order a t-shirt from AI never mind a PC:laughing:
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I mean have you ever owned or used an original C64 breadbox style case, it's the worst design ever when it comes to doing any prolonged typing on
Unlike you I actually grew up with a C64 and used one as my primary computer for 4 years, until I bought my 128. I spent countless hours daily typing on it and found it quite comfortable.
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Apple peddle their shit on pre-order all the time and no one bats an eye lid...
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Since there seems to be a lot of CUSA activity here I thought this might be a good place for a some decent discussion. I've seen recently the C64x has been offered for "pre order" on the Commodore website.
I'm curious as to why a company that has millions of dollars in advertising revenue alone would need to start pre-ordering months in advance, for June in this case, instead of just waiting until they have their product ready to actually deliver.
Well... Apple, which has way more cach also does pre ordering...
Seems curious when they are so obviously tied to a community that is so fraught with a long history of pre-order disasters.
Do you really think CBM-USA is targetting the 1000+ users found in the Amiga "community" (I wouldn't use that term, since in "community" there is "unity" and I don't see any unity here...) ?
That being said, it's not perfect... I'd myself ask why a company spending millions of dollars in advertising has a website run by a 10-years old child... Ridiculous pictures (bad quality, 1996-like gif styles), layout, colors,...
You can use today's tendences while keeping the retro look... But you have to pay someone to do it. Seems like they didn't have the money, or didn't want to do it (maybe they thought anyone could make a nice-looking, intuitive, mordern website and did it themselves...)
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Apple peddle their shit on pre-order all the time and no one bats an eye lid...
Anywhere but here, I'd agree but honestly, the crowd on this site hates apple more than I hate Hitler.
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Anywhere but here, I'd agree but honestly, the crowd on this site hates apple more than I hate Hitler.
damn straight:D
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Anywhere but here, I'd agree but honestly, the crowd on this site hates apple more than I hate Hitler.
Seconded. Both are pathological, but only Apple still represents a danger to society at large.
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Seconded. Both are pathological, but only Apple still represents a danger to society at large.
You know, I may not always agree with everything you say, but that is f'ing hilarious.
Well played sir :)
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You know, I may not always agree with everything you say, but that is f'ing hilarious.
Well played sir :)
Oh, I'm only half kidding. Frankly, business practices in the US scare me.
Did you know that its legal to patent human genes (as long as they've been modified)?
Patenting plant genes is scary enough, but human genes?
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Out of curiosity, what makes a PC in a C64 case an interest to an amiga community, as opposed to a C64 one?
Im not actually trying to be snide here, I think its a cool idea, if overpriced for what you get.
But Im not sure there's much relevance other than "the company that made your computer also made this other computer, so here's a netbook power PC put into that case".
A PC in a spectrum case would be as relevant.
If I was in the market for something "retro amiga" that isnt my 1200, I'd go with Morph OS instead
I think I have an answer to this question.
Both myself and Motorolin have tried to build a Mini-ITX into an old A1200 case (I'm sure others have tried too), but it was a struggle. The Mini-ITX boards had bits and bobs sticking out too far and at inconvenient angles to fit inside the A1200's svelt case... :( then there are difficulties interfacing the A1200's keyboard, which has no controller mcu... The problems just go on :'(
If enough people buy this CUSA thing, then maybe CUSA will build and A1200 (or perhaps ans A600) version. Buy one, pop AROS/UAE on it and be happy. This is for the non purist retro scene (of which I am most definitely part of), rather than the purist hobby scene.
As an asside, if CUSA do make an Amiga version, then I hope they employ on of our FPGA experts to build an I/O board so I can hook up my 9pin mouse/joysticks, an Amiga floppy external port (so I can read my old floppies) :)
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Here is a board ready to go for the 9 pin. It even has extra solder points so you can have your two button joysticks if you want.
http://www.legacyengineer.com/storefront/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=35&products_id=86&zenid=22c95es2uqq1otisokf3knder1
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Unlike you I actually grew up with a C64 and used one as my primary computer for 4 years, until I bought my 128. I spent countless hours daily typing on it and found it quite comfortable.
I have used my breadbin C64 even longer as my primary computer, I can't say it was an unpleasant experience. I actually prefer the breadbin box over the C model, go figure. :)
If the C64x case were half the price, I'd have one instantly (when available, I wouldn't pre-pay). But the current pricing is just ridiculous, so no breadbin for me.