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Title: Why are many Amiga users anti-CSS?
Post by: jorkany on April 07, 2011, 04:43:59 PM
Thought it might be good for a little change of subject.

One thing I've noted on Amiga forums is that many in the Amiga communities seem very against CSS. I find this puzzling, as managing a single CSS file is much more efficient than managing dozens or hundreds of HTML files.

So why the CSS hate?
Title: Re: Why are many Amiga users anti-CSS?
Post by: Franko on April 07, 2011, 04:46:08 PM
What's CSS ???
Title: Re: Why are many Amiga users anti-CSS?
Post by: HenryCase on April 07, 2011, 04:46:47 PM
Quote from: jorkany;629605
Thought it might be good for a little change of subject.

One thing I've noted on Amiga forums is that many in the Amiga communities seem very against CSS. I find this puzzling, as managing a single CSS file is much more efficient than managing dozens or hundreds of HTML files.

So why the CSS hate?


It's simple, the browsers for classic Amigas don't support it (excluding some ports of OWB and Netsurf that aren't stable & optimised enough for day-to-day use).

That was easy. Next question.
Title: Re: Why are many Amiga users anti-CSS?
Post by: mechy on April 07, 2011, 04:48:03 PM
Its not that they are against it,the problem is none of the common 68K browsers like ibrowse or aweb etc support CSS and the layout looks horrible when viewed with them.




Quote from: jorkany;629605
Thought it might be good for a little change of subject.

One thing I've noted on Amiga forums is that many in the Amiga communities seem very against CSS. I find this puzzling, as managing a single CSS file is much more efficient than managing dozens or hundreds of HTML files.

So why the CSS hate?
Title: Re: Why are many Amiga users anti-CSS?
Post by: mongo on April 07, 2011, 04:48:21 PM
Quote from: jorkany;629605
Thought it might be good for a little change of subject.

One thing I've noted on Amiga forums is that many in the Amiga communities seem very against CSS. I find this puzzling, as managing a single CSS file is much more efficient than managing dozens or hundreds of HTML files.

So why the CSS hate?


Because of the lack of support for CSS in Amiga web browsers (68k ones at least).
Title: Re: Why are many Amiga users anti-CSS?
Post by: commodorejohn on April 07, 2011, 04:48:45 PM
Yeah, it's an issue of support. Too bad, because it really is a great tool.
Title: Re: Why are many Amiga users anti-CSS?
Post by: jorkany on April 07, 2011, 04:51:03 PM
Quote from: HenryCase;629608
It's simple, the browsers for classic Amigas don't support it (excluding some ports of OWB and Netsurf that aren't stable & optimised enough for day-to-day use).

That was easy. Next question.


Next question then!
Should I petition the state to stop paving roads since they hurt my horse's feet?


Franko:
http://www.w3schools.com/css/css_intro.asp
Title: Re: Why are many Amiga users anti-CSS?
Post by: Franko on April 07, 2011, 04:51:12 PM
I still don't know if I'm for it or against it, cos I still don't know what it is... :(
Title: Re: Why are many Amiga users anti-CSS?
Post by: number6 on April 07, 2011, 04:53:55 PM
Quote from: Franko;629614
I still don't know if I'm for it or against it, cos I still don't know what it is... :(



I think it stands for cascading style sheets.
Basically a more modern means of display.

Based on the many threads I've read about IBrowse, when CSS is mentioned, I have to agree with the thread. This is not about being anti-CSS.

#6
Title: Re: Why are many Amiga users anti-CSS?
Post by: Franko on April 07, 2011, 04:55:51 PM
Quote from: jorkany;629613
Franko:
http://www.w3schools.com/css/css_intro.asp


Ahhh... Cheers Jorkany... :)

Read it now... :)

Still none the wiser... :(

Think I'll go play with the squirrels now... :)

I Vote - None Of The Above... :D
Title: Re: Why are many Amiga users anti-CSS?
Post by: trekiej on April 07, 2011, 05:24:59 PM
html is for content and css is for layout
Title: Re: Why are many Amiga users anti-CSS?
Post by: desiv on April 07, 2011, 05:46:16 PM
Quote from: jorkany;629613
Next question then!
Should I petition the state to stop paving roads since they hurt my horse's feet?

That all depends on where you live..
If you are in a smaller community with enough horse based traffic to warrant it, then of course you should...

desiv
Title: Re: Why are many Amiga users anti-CSS?
Post by: HenryCase on April 07, 2011, 05:59:34 PM
Quote from: Franko;629621
Ahhh... Cheers Jorkany... :)

Read it now... :)

Still none the wiser... :(


Think about it like this. When you design a website, you most likely want the pages to have a similar look. For example, on amiga.org you've got a mostly blue and white theme, certain fonts, etc.... If you design a page with just HTML, you have to write that you want those style settings on every page. With CSS, you can instead save these style settings in one file, and say 'use this style' by linking to this one file.

Think of it like a style template. Time is saved by only needing to write out the style settings once. I hope that makes sense.

PHP is also worth understanding too, if you want a fuller picture of how websites are put together, but one thing at a time. :-)
Title: Re: Why are many Amiga users anti-CSS?
Post by: Franko on April 07, 2011, 06:06:18 PM
Quote from: HenryCase;629651
Think about it like this. When you design a website, you most likely want the pages to have a similar look. For example, on amiga.org you've got a mostly blue and white theme, certain fonts, etc.... If you design a page with just HTML, you have to write that you want those style settings on every page. With CSS, you can instead save these style settings in one file, and say 'use this style' by linking to this one file.

Think of it like a style template. Time is saved by only needing to write out the style settings once. I hope that makes sense.

PHP is also worth understanding too, if you want a fuller picture of how websites are put together, but one thing at a time. :-)


Gotta be honest, I don't like things all having the same look (that's why my site is erm... a wee bit different as some folk have said) plus all I have to do is point and click and type some text, pics $ music to create mine... :)

I couldn't be bothered learning HTML and all that malarky to I picked a point and click thingy that cuts out all that stuff, lazy, yup, but a lot less hassle than learning HTML... :)
Title: Re: Why are many Amiga users anti-CSS?
Post by: Scottish_Chris on April 07, 2011, 06:28:50 PM
Quote from: Franko;629607
What's CSS ???
CounterStrike:Source ??

Oh and I am not anti-CounterStrike:Source

:roflmao:
Title: Re: Why are many Amiga users anti-CSS?
Post by: eb15 on April 07, 2011, 08:18:09 PM
For those who don't know, CSS is a language that gets embedded into web pages that basically can "flexibly skin" a very plain (mostly text) web page into something pretty and image oriented with changing colors, fonts, graphics, text styles, etc.

The apparent dislike of CSS in the Amiga community is from a combination of things, like lack of a lite graphical browser that supports CSS that would work OK on an 020/030 class machine, and the fact that most CSS web page graphics and web browsers implicitly expect to run in a high-color or  true-color screen mode with alpha transparency effects, not something limited to 256 color lookup tables in an Amiga AGA or 16 color pens on an ECS bitplane environment.   Remapping such imagery can look absolutely horrible to OK depending on how well its done.

The defacto Amiga GUI programming toolkits were also created long before CSS took off in popularity, so they don't directly support the CSS/HTML dynamic design model well.
Title: Re: Why are many Amiga users anti-CSS?
Post by: minator on April 07, 2011, 08:38:09 PM
Quote from: Franko;629607
What's CSS ???


Cansei de Ser Sexy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7agPOt1XZz8
Title: Re: Why are many Amiga users anti-CSS?
Post by: Franko on April 07, 2011, 08:45:48 PM
Quote from: minator;629706
Cansei de Ser Sexy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7agPOt1XZz8


Erm... well... uh... I dunno if that's some sort of invitation Minator but I think I'll politely decline and stick with wee fat Janice my cleaning lady... sorry... :o
Title: Re: Why are many Amiga users anti-CSS?
Post by: Rodomoc on April 08, 2011, 05:41:47 PM
CSS and Amiga?
 
Simply check out Olivier Laviale's Feelin' system he developed for Amiga. Also included is XML. I am very surprised that programming sorts have not utilized Feelin' yet. Am I missing something?
Title: Re: Why are many Amiga users anti-CSS?
Post by: gertsy on April 09, 2011, 07:32:27 AM
Quote from: Scottish_Chris;629662
CounterStrike:Source ??

Oh and I am not anti-CounterStrike:Source

:roflmao:


"You take the point!"
Title: Re: Why are many Amiga users anti-CSS?
Post by: chris on April 09, 2011, 10:55:38 AM
Quote from: HenryCase;629608
It's simple, the browsers for classic Amigas don't support it (excluding some ports of OWB and Netsurf that aren't stable & optimised enough for day-to-day use).


It would be useful if some dev could actually be bothered to do something about that.  See this thread (http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=56813) for example.