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The "Not Quite Amiga but still computer related category" => Alternative Operating Systems => Topic started by: crawff on April 05, 2011, 09:02:51 PM
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I was wondering how many people have already pre-ordered the C64x today or
is planning too very soon.
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Yes I've just ordered the entire first batch.... :lol:
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Wow franko, you can afford 3 of them?
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Wow franko, you can afford 3 of them?
:lol:
Damn... I didn't realise they had made that many... crickey I'm bankrupt... :cry:
Please Barry can I get a refund, I promise I'll be good from now on... :D
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Gee, let's see. If I wanted a PC in a C64 case, I could gut a broken C64 and install one of many inexpensive and tiny motherboards in it, and then install Linux and VICE on it...or I could pay CUSA to do the same thing and help fund whatever it is they're going to do to the Amiga name next. GEE I WONDER WHICH I'D PREFER.
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Gee, let's see. If I wanted a PC in a C64 case, I could gut a broken C64 and install one of many inexpensive and tiny motherboards in it, and then install Linux and VICE on it...or I could pay CUSA to do the same thing and help fund whatever it is they're going to do to the Amiga name next. GEE I WONDER WHICH I'D PREFER.
+1: "If I wanted a PC in a C64 case, I could gut a broken C64 and install one of many inexpensive and tiny motherboards in it, and then install Linux and VICE on it"
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+1: "If I wanted a PC in a C64 case, I could gut a broken C64 and install one of many inexpensive and tiny motherboards in it, and then install Linux and VICE on it"
If you can do something yourself then it's usually cheaper than paying someone else to do it.
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+1: "If I wanted a PC in a C64 case, I could gut a broken C64 and install one of many inexpensive and tiny motherboards in it, and then install Linux and VICE on it"
Personally, as I've said before. I'm gutting an A500, A600 or A1200 and using that case. There's already keyboard adapters for that.
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Franko better not -moderated- buy one or I will have an overpriced odd looking low end PC to buy! :madashell::madashell::madashell::madashell:
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I'm going to wait for the PETx:
A fricking muddatrucker of a case, big enough to hide a body in with a tiny green-screen monitor ontop and a tiny PC mobo running Linsuxs & VICE inside. Another winner!
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No. I had one 7 or 8 years ago. Well, not an actual C64x, because they didn't exist, but a Mini-ITX motherboard from Via in a Vic-20 case from eBay which is basically the same thing. £150 and 2 evenings work with a Dremel. I played SNES games on it in zSNES. Then the novelty wore off, I realised how impractical it was and sold it.
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No option to pick I'll get one when Jack Tramiel gets one. CUSA should just give Jack one, would be good karma and PR.
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No option to pick I'll get one when Jack Tramiel gets one. CUSA should just give Jack one, would be good karma and PR.
He's probably worried about tripping on such bulky doorstops and will stick with the old Sinclair ZX81.....convenient wedge shape too ;)
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I'd love to see C-USA send one of these to a major review site for a formal review (Engadget or Gizmodo type sites). If they are as stunning of a machine as people claim they are, it'd be a shot in the arm for the corporation. What are the details on the emulation software that "ships at a later date"? All I can dig up on their website is: Units come with the Ubuntu 10.04 LTS operating system on disk ready to install. Commodore OS 1.0, along with emulation functionality and classic game package, will be mailed to purchasers when available.
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I will order a empty case when they are available.
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@Duce
Yup, lets see what the reviews say.
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No option to pick I'll get one when Jack Tramiel gets one. CUSA should just give Jack one, would be good karma and PR.
I actually agree with you on that, would be neat.
P.S. I also know that the Tramiel family is somewhat aware of C=USA plans and have contacted them(a casual hello, if I understood correctly). And no, no death threats were made :)
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Personally, as I've said before. I'm gutting an A500, A600 or A1200 and using that case. There's already keyboard adapters for that.
Well, I did say "if I wanted." I really don't, 'cause I'm just not that enamored of keyboard-housed computers (laptops excepted.) But if I did, I sure as hell wouldn't pay someone to do it for me.
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i actually agree with you on that, would be neat.
P.s. I also know that the tramiel family is somewhat aware of c=usa plans and have contacted them(manic condescending laughter down the phone). And no, no death threats were made :)
ftfy :)
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If they manage to get the price down a bit, I'd get one case.
And no, it's not exactly like using a C64 case and keyboard... looking at the rendered pics, it seems like the had the good idea to put 4 arrow keys in the keyboard.
Having only two arrow keys it's what I most hated in the original C64.
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Having only two arrow keys it's what I most hated in the original C64.
+1
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Well, I chose the 'I will buy one if Franko does' option because I thought it meant: even less likely than the 'no chance' option.
P.S. Does CUSA have a stock that I can sell short?
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Hey, off topic i know but i went to sign the petition on anti commodore usa and found they have shut it down so i couldn't sign it :(
http://www.petitiononline.com/newamiga/petition.html
So where do i sign up? I think we can force them to change the naming of their products. We did before when they changed Workbench 5 to CommodoreOS so let's do it again! :)
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Well, I chose the 'I will buy one if Franko does' option because I thought it meant: even less likely than the 'no chance' option.
P.S. Does CUSA have a stock that I can sell short?
The Licensor was listed (http://investing.businessweek.com/research/stocks/snapshot/snapshot.asp?ticker=ARMC:US)
#6
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700 bucks from System 76 will get: (Laptop anyways, didn't look at a desktop system)
Ubuntu 10.10
Core I3 processor
2 gigs of RAM (+35 dollars for 4 gigs)
250 GB hard drive
Wireless
1 year warranty and 1 year support
How does that compare to the C64x?
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700 bucks from System 76 will get:
Ubuntu 10.10
Core I3 processor
2 gigs of RAM (+35 dollars for 4 gigs)
250 GB hard drive
Wireless
1 year warranty and 1 year support
How does that compare to the C64x?
Uh, the obvious.
It has a slightly newer release of Ubuntu.
It has a faster, more powerful processor.
It doesn't have a C64 breadbox case.
It's $100 more expensive.
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The Licensor was listed (http://investing.businessweek.com/research/stocks/snapshot/snapshot.asp?ticker=ARMC:US)
#6
Good company to work for. The Executive Director gets paid slightly less than the average hobo.
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Good company to work for. The Executive Director gets paid slightly less than the average hobo.
Heh. Indeed, but look at what the CEO of Yeahronimo Media Ventures apparently takes, compared to the erm..value of his company.
#6
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Uh, the obvious.
It has a slightly newer release of Ubuntu.
It has a faster, more powerful processor.
It doesn't have a C64 breadbox case.
It's $100 more expensive.
Im not actually trying to be obtuse here :) I had a hard time finding hard specs at a brief glance onthe CUSA site. It was all scattered throughout the place I looked.
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Im not actually trying to be obtuse here :) I had a hard time finding hard specs at a brief glance onthe CUSA site. It was all scattered throughout the place I looked.
Sorry, I checked again and you're right, the info is spread all over the place.
So, for your $595.
C64x Basic:
Intel® Atom D525 1.80GHz (fastest current Atom)
Mini ITX motherboard based on the Intel NM10 chipset with Nvidia Ion graphics (DX10 compatible)
Multi format card reader
2GB DDR2 memory
160GB hard drive
No DVD drive*
No wifi*
* included in the $695 C64x Standard (which includes a larger 250GB hard drive)
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160 GB hard drive, where do you find them that small? 2 GB ram in 2011? Underwhelming to say the least.
Sorry, I checked again and you're right, the info is spread all over the place.
So, for your $595.
C64x Basic:
Intel® Atom D525 1.80GHz (fastest current Atom)
Mini ITX motherboard based on the Intel NM10 chipset with Nvidia Ion graphics (DX10 compatible)
Multi format card reader
2GB DDR2 memory
160GB hard drive
No DVD drive*
No wifi*
* included in the $695 C64x Standard (which includes a larger 250GB hard drive)
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So, for your $595.
C64x Basic:
Intel® Atom D525 1.80GHz (fastest current Atom)
Mini ITX motherboard based on the Intel NM10 chipset with Nvidia Ion graphics (DX10 compatible)
Multi format card reader
2GB DDR2 memory
160GB hard drive
No DVD drive*
No wifi*
* included in the $695 C64x Standard (which includes a larger 250GB hard drive)
Hey, wow, that's slightly nicer than my $350 netbook from 2009! Only they've traded the screen for a DVD drive!
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@persia
2GB of RAM should be plenty to run any C64 application you throw at it.
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Actually for linux, 2 gigs of RAM is plenty. I have 4 gigs in my desktop and rarely if ever exceed 50% in use. Swap is never touched at all.
I guess you could price match against a netbook or a desktop system too, for full comparison. I picked system 76 on purpose, as linux installed machines is a niche market, and comparing to something like Fry's electronics (one of my fave's) or best buy would be unfair.
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I wasn't aware OS4 had been ported to it.
@persia
2GB of RAM should be plenty to run any C64 application you throw at it.
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I wasn't aware OS4 had been ported to it.
OS4 doesn't run C64 apps anyway.
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I'm waiting for the VicX or the AltairX.
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So the C64x is a poor techinical spec for the cost and C=USA will be trading on it's past name and nostalgic value. Both Apple and Sony do this and they appear to be doing quite well out of it...
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C64 available right now for only $14.95!
http://www.c64forever.com/
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Actually no, C64 is available at http://www.viceteam.org FOR FREE WITH FREE ROMs without the pathetic encryption of C64 Forever which ruins and frustrates the whole emulator experience.
:)
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As for the poll, where is the option for "when I run out of toilet paper" ?? :roflmao:
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Have you ordered the C64x?
No I wouldn't be caught dead :)
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I was wondering how many people have already pre-ordered the C64x today or
is planning too very soon.
"During our brief interview, Altman said the company is “already sold out on the first two production runs.” Altman explained that the company is able to produce an average of 60,000 machines per month, which leads us to believe that in less than 48 hours they’ve experienced a brisk run of pre-order sales." Written by Jason Evangelho with The Video Game Writers
Well, it would be interesting to determine what exactly would be a production run in units produced, then we could get an idea of pre-orders somewhat. As I would expect that Altman would keep his cost down by not carrying an extended inventory which would have to be stored.
The Dawg
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Hey, wow, that's slightly nicer than my $350 netbook from 2009! Only they've traded the screen for a DVD drive!
You must be really envious of the new commodore for all the comments. I also have a netbook, I haven't seen any that will take 4gb, or dvd drives. the keyboard really isn't comparable either. I mean at 6'2" my hands are kinda too big to do anything other than one finger pokes on most laptops. However, I have become very comfortable with the C64 keyboard in the 30 years I have been using them.
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Well, it would be interesting to determine what exactly would be a production run in units produced, then we could get an idea of pre-orders somewhat. As I would expect that Altman would keep his cost down by not carrying an extended inventory which would have to be stored.
The Dawg
Very true. If each production run lasted only one day then they've sold 4000 units. Then there's the word "able", which could mean "if we all take cocaine and work without any toilet breaks for 24 hours straight". In that case we could be looking at 1400+/-. On other hand, we could be looking at 120,000.
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Well, it would be interesting to determine what exactly would be a production run in units produced, then we could get an idea of pre-orders somewhat. As I would expect that Altman would keep his cost down by not carrying an extended inventory which would have to be stored.
The Dawg
Why would you limit the size of a production run to anything less than the number of pre-orders?
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You must be really envious of the new commodore for all the comments. I also have a netbook, I haven't seen any that will take 4gb, or dvd drives. the keyboard really isn't comparable either. I mean at 6'2" my hands are kinda too big to do anything other than one finger pokes on most laptops. However, I have become very comfortable with the C64 keyboard in the 30 years I have been using them.
Yeah, those are admittedly shortcomings of netbooks. But, uh, $250 to $550 worth of difference? Ha ha ha ha, hell no.
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Why would you limit the size of a production run to anything less than the number of pre-orders?
That makes too much sense Mongo. A pre-order is in fact that an order made prior to a completed production. So, pre-order fulfillment should be wide open to meet those orders. My thought going forward beyond the pre-orders was to keep production behind sales as not to extend cost into storing units. Having worked in manufacturing myself storage was at a premium and the goal was to create a JIT product availability to reduce these storage requirements and keep cost down.
The Dawg
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That makes too much sense Mongo. A pre-order is in fact that an order made prior to a completed production. So, pre-order fulfillment should be wide open to meet those orders.
Exactly. Yet Altman said the company is “already sold out on the first two production runs.”
How is that possible? You have X pre-orders, so you decide to do two production runs of X/2 units? Great plan!
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Exactly. Yet Altman said the company is “already sold out on the first two production runs.”
How is that possible? You have X pre-orders, so you decide to do two production runs of X/2 units? Great plan!
What's the root of what you're trying to get at, Mongo?
Just curious.
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This all sounds like a bunch of Sour Grapes to me. The company is off the ground, they seem to be excited about their future. If you are going to buy a cheap computer what's wrong with having one that gives you fond memories and provides you with pleasure. How much is that worth? I have no interest in a C64, but would love to see some new Amiga hardware, running an os that is compatible with my Amiga software. Isn't that what all these
versions of Amiga software are doing right now? Sounds like some people on here need to grow up a bit.
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Steve Benway is one of my favorite retro person on Youtube and did a great run down on his thoughts. Mentioned some stuff I did not realize. The machine only ships with ubuntu? Windows is not pre-installed and they will ship you the c64 Vice emulator and Commodore OS1 later ? Doesn't even come with that !?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPW8SZOpD_s
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What's the root of what you're trying to get at, Mongo?
Just curious.
Essentially, this :
"It's 99% American made -- everything except the motherboard is American made," Altman said.
Don't believe everything Barry Altman says.
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This all sounds like a bunch of Sour Grapes to me. The company is off the ground, they seem to be excited about their future. If you are going to buy a cheap computer what's wrong with having one that gives you fond memories and provides you with pleasure. How much is that worth? I have no interest in a C64, but would love to see some new Amiga hardware, running an os that is compatible with my Amiga software. Isn't that what all these
versions of Amiga software are doing right now? Sounds like some people on here need to grow up a bit.
It's not a cheap computer.
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This all sounds like a bunch of Sour Grapes to me. The company is off the ground, they seem to be excited about their future. If you are going to buy a cheap computer what's wrong with having one that gives you fond memories and provides you with pleasure. How much is that worth?
Given that this company is yet another player in the great game of breaking up and diluting the Commodore names while having little to nothing to do with the product that the name originally signified and their primary relation with the CBM/Amiga community has been sending over a PR rep whose main activity was insulting anybody with the temerity to suggest that maybe we'd be interested in something that wasn't PC clone hardware in a novelty case, you'll please forgive us a sour grape or two.
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I have no interest in a C64, but would love to see some new Amiga hardware, running an os that is compatible with my Amiga software. Isn't that what all these versions of Amiga software are doing right now? Sounds like some people on here need to grow up a bit.
But if you're talking about CUSA products, they are not going to be "new Amiga Hardware" they're going to be (if they ever appear) nothing more than a PC running an emulator... :)
What are "all these versions of Amiga software" you speak off, don't quite make sense that sentence... ???
Folks here are grown up, well us that can see this whole load of CUSA BS for what it really is... ;)
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I just got my Tron Legacy Blu-ray. I got the fancy one that includes the free Light Cycle. The CUSA Ad is not separate but is part of six Ads on a small included fold out leaflet.
Included Ads on be foldout are Tron Uprising, Phinears and Ferr, Disney Vacation Planning DVD offer, Sylvania LED lightbulbs for the home, ESET Smart Security Antispyware software and yes CUSA C64.
I will scan the leaflet and upload it to Amiga.org later tonight for all to see.
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I just got my Tron Legacy Blu-ray.
BOO... HISS... TRAITOR... :lol:
What job title did you get with it... :D
PS:Did it contain my CommodoreScotland.com advert (I gave Alfie in the packaging dept 5 bucks to slip them into the cases after I had written them all out with me best red crayon...) :)
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@Franko
I always planned to buy the Blu-ray since I missed the film in the theater. I did not buy it for the Ads, LOL. If buyers of the movie don't open the leaflet the will totally miss the CUSA Ad since the outside of it only promotes Disney stuff. It has to be unfolded twice to see the C64 pic. To be honest most buyers will probability totally miss it.
Three other separate leaflet Ads are also included. I thought at first I did not have the C64 Ad since I got the Light Cycle version of the movie. I had to do a little hunting to find it.
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their primary relation with the CBM/Amiga community has been sending over a PR rep whose main activity was insulting anybody with the temerity to suggest that maybe we'd be interested in something that wasn't PC clone hardware in a novelty case
Except that never happened. Nobody from CUSA, as far as I have ever seen has even implied that you shouldn't be interested in pure retro. It is the pure retro group that attacked CUSA saying that they should not exist. It is not CUSA that has claimed both cannot exist. It is the 'pure' retro trolls that have done that.
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Actually couldn't get one anyway as now I'm saving up for an R-MIGA A1000 instead :)
Franko feel free to purchase one now :roflmao:
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This all sounds like a bunch of Sour Grapes to me. The company is off the ground, they seem to be excited about their future. If you are going to buy a cheap computer what's wrong with having one that gives you fond memories and provides you with pleasure. How much is that worth? I have no interest in a C64, but would love to see some new Amiga hardware, running an os that is compatible with my Amiga software. Isn't that what all these
versions of Amiga software are doing right now? Sounds like some people on here need to grow up a bit.
+1
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Voted no.. Because in reality I am looking for an option to get away from x86 based HW.
Will save my money for a new ppc based amiga.
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I'm not the least bit interested in this system, but equally I don't hate it or anything.
The only reason I'd be interested in a C64 for is the SID chip as an interesting noise making device.
The Commodore and Amiga we know and love are long dead. OS4 / MorphOS / Aros will at best give you a similar desktop experience. UAE will give you the retro experience or if you're really fussy you'll need an FPGA based system (Minimig / FPGA Arcade / Natami). If you're really really fussy just buy a classic machine off ebay.
Note that none of those in production today are called "Commodore" or "Amiga". They are just names now and if someone wants to make money off them good luck to them.
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I'm not the least bit interested in this system, but equally I don't hate it or anything.
The only reason I'd be interested in a C64 for is the SID chip as an interesting noise making device.
The Commodore and Amiga we know and love are long dead. OS4 / MorphOS / Aros will at best give you a similar desktop experience. UAE will give you the retro experience or if you're really fussy you'll need an FPGA based system (Minimig / FPGA Arcade / Natami). If you're really really fussy just buy a classic machine off ebay.
Note that none of those in production today are called "Commodore" or "Amiga". They are just names now and if someone wants to make money off them good luck to them.
Apple MacBooks are just UEFI X86 PCs. My non-Apple laptop can run unmodified MacOS X 10.6 retail.
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But if you're talking about CUSA products, they are not going to be "new Amiga Hardware" they're going to be (if they ever appear) nothing more than a PC running an emulator... :)
What are "all these versions of Amiga software" you speak off, don't quite make sense that sentence... ???
Folks here are grown up, well us that can see this whole load of CUSA BS for what it really is... ;)
Neo-Amigas uses PC motherboard architecture with PowerPC CPU. Officially, "Commodore-Amiga" doesn't ship with PowerPC.
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Given that this company is yet another player in the great game of breaking up and diluting the Commodore names while having little to nothing to do with the product that the name originally signified and their primary relation with the CBM/Amiga community has been sending over a PR rep whose main activity was insulting anybody with the temerity to suggest that maybe we'd be interested in something that wasn't PC clone hardware in a novelty case, you'll please forgive us a sour grape or two.
Commodore 64 was shipped Microsoft Basic as its basic user interface. Having Microsoft Windows follows this path.
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Voted no.. Because in reality I am looking for an option to get away from x86 based HW.
Will save my money for a new ppc based amiga.
One could buy C=USA's C64X mini-ITX case and Sam440ep mini-ITX solution. Acube needs to update SAM440ep mini-ITX form factor with PowerPC 460.
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Neo-Amigas uses PC motherboard architecture with PowerPC CPU. Officially, "Commodore-Amiga" doesn't ship with PowerPC.
25 years of using an Amiga & being a true fan and I'm still having to learn new things even today... what's a Neo-Amiga (not even a google search shows up that one)... :confused:
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One could buy C=USA's C64X mini-ITX case and Sam440ep mini-ITX solution. Acube needs to update SAM440ep mini-ITX form factor with PowerPC 460.
Indeed one could do that, but still, if its that way, I would personally rather go for Daddy's new case. Looks promising.
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25 years of using an Amiga & being a true fan and I'm still having to learn new things even today... what's a Neo-Amiga (not even a google search shows up that one)... :confused:
Franko, it's a neolithic Amiga, used by prehistoric primitives. Here's an artists rendition of what it might have looked like:
(http://www.amiga.org/gallery/images/4306/medium/1_neoamiga.jpg)
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@Franko
I always planned to buy the Blu-ray since I missed the film in the theater. I did not buy it for the Ads, LOL. If buyers of the movie don't open the leaflet the will totally miss the CUSA Ad since the outside of it only promotes Disney stuff. It has to be unfolded twice to see the C64 pic. To be honest most buyers will probability totally miss it.
Three other separate leaflet Ads are also included. I thought at first I did not have the C64 Ad since I got the Light Cycle version of the movie. I had to do a little hunting to find it.
Sounds like most people that buy the DVD will never see it.
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25 years of using an Amiga & being a true fan and I'm still having to learn new things even today... what's a Neo-Amiga (not even a google search shows up that one)... :confused:
Google Dave Haynie neo-Amiga
Refer to http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=20091
Dave Haynie (lead engineer of C= Amiga)'s "neo-Amiga" label refers PowerPC class AOS machines. The "neo" prefix means "new". http://www.answers.com/topic/neo
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One could buy C=USA's C64X mini-ITX case and Sam440ep mini-ITX solution. Acube needs to update SAM440ep mini-ITX form factor with PowerPC 460.
Why would I want a slow OS4 compatible's motherboard inside C64x case (which is not sold without that el-cheapo Atom motherboard).
Like it or not Windows is THE system for the best emulators.
So with a copy of the required Windows XP C64x = $700........*pass* :roflmao:
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I definitely won't be getting one. I quite like the idea, but I grew up with the Spectrum, not the C64, so it doesn't have any nostalgic value for me.
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Like it or not Windows is THE system for the best emulators.
WinUAE runs great under Linux (with WINE), as do LOTS of great emulators (native or in WINE)..
Like it or not.. :roflmao:
desiv
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WinUAE runs great under Linux (with WINE), as do LOTS of great emulators (native or in WINE)..
Like it or not.. :roflmao:
desiv
Not all though therefore Windows is required for the widest choice and most simple ease of use :roflmao:
THOMPSON M05,AQUARIUS,MTX500,N64,PS2,DREAMCAST,SATURN etc etc
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Why would I want a slow OS4 compatible's motherboard inside C64x case (which is not sold without that el-cheapo Atom motherboard).
Of course the case is sold separately. Its been listed that way since yesterday.
http://www.commodoreusa.net/CUSA_C64Select.aspx