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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Software Issues and Discussion => Topic started by: runequester on April 04, 2011, 03:38:55 AM
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So anyone have experience with running 3.5 or 3.9 on an 030 ?
Im tempted to get one of them once I get a second CF card to use as a second hard drive. For what its worth, the card I have is the ACA 030/56.
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I've run it on an 030. Works fine, though slower than an 040 or 060. But a 50MHz 030 runs it well enough.
One more thing... the accelerator matters. I always loved my GVP A530 Turbo, but my Derringer kicks its ass though I miss SCSI. My A500+ system was accelerated by a 40MHz Derringer (now 50MHz,) 32MB, and a GVP A500+ SCSI controller. Worked (and still works) like a peach.
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I've run it on an 030. Works fine, though slower than an 040 or 060. But a 50MHz 030 runs it well enough.
I imagine it'll work decent on mine then
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I imagine it'll work decent on mine then
If you're talking about this machine:
Amiga 1200. 4 gig CF hard drive. 030/56 with 64 meg RAM. 3.1 ROMs. And she's online!
I imagine you'll be satisfied. If you're just running AGA (no RTG video,) you'll want to hunt around (or ask, really -- I think a FAQ or a good thread would suffice) for a number of enhancements. Primarily, move everything you can out of Chip RAM, and some other speed-ups. FBlit was a good one, but I think that's supplanted by some of the more recent library redevelopments.
I can't recall all of the patches I used on my 4000, but I am sure I only commented them out of s-s for future reference. I'll have a look-see next week when I fire her back up to finish my USB installation :)
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yeah, thats the girl :)
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Rune
It should run well on 030/ 56 let us know how it goes with a report plz :)
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I run 3.5 on one of my A1200s with a Blizzard030 50Mhz & 64MB ram and it run nicely so with your set up you should be quite happy with it... :)
I would only say and it's just my opinion, it's not worth going to 3.9 as it's too bloated compared to 3.5 and in some parts a lot slower... :)
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I'll need to see which I can find the easier and cheaper. It'd be interesting to test them side by side (3.1, 3.5 and 3.9)
My 3.1 install has very few tweaks to it, so it'd be a comparison of the "stock" options for a classic miggy (not counting 2.x and 1.x of course)
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As my 060 needed maintenance I replaced it with my backup 030/25 using 3.9 in my A4000. It was quite an experience - the speed difference was so big. So, at least 030/50 recommended.
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ACA1230@56 is a really speed devil!
My own experience was thrilling cause it really felt as if I had an 040 on the Amiga. (I guess due to the really fast RAM that Jens putted).
I'd suggest 3.9 over 3.5 any day.
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Well hopefully i'll have it installed on my 1200 soon see my sig.. should run decent. Apollo is pretty fast
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I had both.. if you going to keep your hard drive small then 3.5 is faster BUT if your going to use big drives 3.9 is easier.
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After some messing around and with nice advices of Gulliver I found out that 3.5 isn't faster if you disable some WBStartup applications that for some people (incl. me) aren't so important from 3.9:
- AmiDock (extra toolbar for application, that is kinda heavy shiz)
- AsyncWB (for better asynchronous file operations - if you copy or delete multiple files at the same time)
- BenchTrash (Global Trashcan, like the recycle bin on windows)
- DefIcons (for configuring easily, custom actions by default, on a set of specific type of files)
- RawWBInfo (for more complete Icon information windows - basically arranging stuff in 2 tabs)
You can also use Env-handler that saves precious Chip RAM by holding environment variables in a more accessible fashion.
Also 3.5 has memory leaks AFAIK so I'd suggest using 3.9 :)
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Another thing that can be done is to find a tool on Aminet that can strip out the OldIcon images from the 3.5/3.9 icons. This may make the icons appear faster on the WB screen.
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3.9 plus Boing Bag 4 on my 8MB A1200 with 50mhz 030 is faster than 3.5 running on the same machine.
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3.9 plus Boing Bag 4 on my 8MB A1200 with 50mhz 030 is faster than 3.5 running on the same machine.
Seriously?
Any idea why?
Do you have RTG or AGA?
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It's a myth that 3.9 is slower or more "bloated" than 3.5, especially once streamlined and cleaned up a bit (something most Amiga users do by default anyway). With an '030/50 it can be perfectly usable, if not responsive. Years ago I had it on my A1200D with an Apollo '030/50 and patched kickstart, it ran great.
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Seriously?
Any idea why?
Do you have RTG or AGA?
Just AGA as I'm waiting for Jens to release the Indivision AGA Mk2.
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Seriously?
Any idea why?
3.9 is pretty much 3.5 with bug fixes and some _optional_ crap offered along with it. I seriously don't grasp all the "oh my, 3.9 is so slow" mantra that some people seem stuck with. The only thing that can slow down 3.9 compared to 3.5 is picture.datatype, which is a "fat" (powerpc and m68k) binary in 3.9, but which is also easily replaceable. Anyone with a pimped up 3.1/3.5 install would also replace picture.datatype anyhow.
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3.9 is pretty much 3.5 with bug fixes and some _optional_ crap offered along with it. I seriously don't grasp all the "oh my, 3.9 is so slow" mantra that some people seem stuck with. The only thing that can slow down 3.9 compared to 3.5 is picture.datatype, which is a "fat" (powerpc and m68k) binary in 3.9, but which is also easily replaceable. Anyone with a pimped up 3.1/3.5 install would also replace picture.datatype anyhow.
ah, good to know.
I guess my concern was that one site (amigahistory or some such) stated that a "medium performance" system would have RTG, which I dont have, and likely won't in any near future.
I'll look for a CD then. I've gotten a 3.5 setup and really dig it, but I'd love to check out "the state of the art" as far as 68K goes. This is stuff I never even knew existed back in the day :)
As far as the optional crap, what all is included in terms of actual functionality?
In other words, what functionality does 3.9 provide over 3.5?
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To check the speed you can check one old test video of mine here (ACA630@30): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sYWUJIUyK4
It was done when I had 3.5, but now I replaced it with 3.9+BB4 plus a lot more stuff in a custom ROM that is kicked via MapROM.
Latest stuff like Cosmos scsi.device, exec.library, graphics.library etc and PeterK's Icon.library that supports even DualPNG icons without RTG... are full of win :)
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To check the speed you can check one old test video of mine here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9sYWUJIUyK4
It was done when I had 3.5, but now I replaced it with 3.9+BB4 plus a lot more stuff in a custom ROM that is kicked via MapROM.
Latest stuff like Cosmos scsi.device, exec.library, graphics.library etc and PeterK's Icon.library that supports even DualPNG icons without RTG... are full of win :)
Thanks :)
How much fuss was it to set up 3.9?
Bonus points for doing it without a CD ROM drive.
With 3.5, I managed to copy all the stuff to a compact flash card and run it from there. Worked great.
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Nah I Installed it with CDROM (mounted a spare 4way buffered interface with slim CDROM and then removed it) but you can do it using a PCMCIA CF adapter as well copying the 3.9 ISO and mounting it from there.
Also setting up in WinUAE and copying it in the CF is also a win situation! :)
Just for the fun of it... I also made one experimental Kickstart that enables booting from USB sticks even on A600 lol...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8gtDZUm46ks
It's cool, although it's slowing down the system overall and having Poseidon always online isn't the best thing (since WHDLoad has issues with it).
Was a nice test though.
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Are you able to select or de-select the applications that it comes with?
I dont have any need for most of the extra app's and I already got wireless set up. I'd just be interested in the OS updates themselves.
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I don't understand what you mean. What extra apps and what comes with?
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I don't understand what you mean. What extra apps and what comes with?
Sorry, I can't string together a sentence tonight :)
What applications comes with 3.9 and are they installed automatically or can you choose?
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I run OS 3.5 on an A1200 with a 4MB FastRAM card in the trapdoor. It runs perfectly well for me on that. A faster '030 with a bunch of FastRAM should make it fly. :-)
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but you can do it using a PCMCIA CF adapter as well copying the 3.9 ISO and mounting it from there.
Also setting up in WinUAE and copying it in the CF is also a win situation! :)
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Hey Mfilos
Can you please describe how to do the above? The 1200 in my cig needs OS 3.9! NO Cd Rom.. I do have Amiga Forever and a CF card.. but dont know how to mount it or get 3.9 on it???
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What applications comes with 3.9 and are they installed automatically or can you choose?
Check a summary per WB version in the following links:
- OS 3.5 : http://www.gregdonner.org/workbench/wb_35.html
- OS 3.9 : http://www.gregdonner.org/workbench/wb_39.html
Hey Mfilos
Can you please describe how to do the above? The 1200 in my cig needs OS 3.9! NO Cd Rom.. I do have Amiga Forever and a CF card.. but dont know how to mount it or get 3.9 on it???
You can follow this excellent guide by Thomas here: http://thomas-rapp.homepage.t-online.de/os39uae.html
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If youre interested in upgrading you OS then I recommend using at least a handful of 3rd party apps/patches/etc. as much (probably moreso) than upgrading to a higher revision of the OS. FBlit and Ftext are definately things you should consider, not just to save chipram, but to speed up the system. Basically FBlit uses fast ram for gfx functions, which not only saves valuable chipram, but fastram is considerably faster than chipram too. Ftext is similar, but deals with text. The speedup you'll get it quite noticable. Also while the new icon lib is a bit faster it's not an either/or thing, you shold probably use both.
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I thought I had Fblit running and couldn't figure out why people were so fussed about it. It didn't do anything.
Then I realized I had put it wrong in the startup-sequence.. now it works quite nicely, and it certainly makes things snappier :)
Ftext didn't seem to be a huge difference but conserving chip ram is a good thing
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3.9 Was a little bit slow on my A1200. It's a 030@33. I was so used to years of 3.1 and MWB I couldn't resist and went back after 6 months. Maybe I should give it a go on my A4000.
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so not really worth it for 3.9 on a 030/25? only have 6 megs on , was thinking of getting the zorror ram and then put on 3.9... maybe stick to 3.1
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Don't know if this has already been mentioned but if you want to go with 3.9 you'll probably want to go with ClassicWB (http://classicwb.abime.net/classicweb/os39.htm)
It contains most of the best speed up 'patches' (just make sure you disable that nasty CyberGFX hack).
I also wrote this little guide (http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=50414) a few years back but most(all?) of this stuff is in ClassicWB now anyway.