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Amiga computer related discussion => General chat about Amiga topics => Topic started by: runequester on April 03, 2011, 04:56:42 PM
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So I've come to realize that there's things I really can't be assed to care about anymore:
1: Red vs Blue. OS4 vs Morph OS. I am unlikely to ever run either, and I'll skip threads where this is likely to be a discussion point.
2: CUSA threads. Period.
3: People who seem to be on the site purely to talk about how the amiga sucked compared to PC's or this or that console, or how every game sucked etc etc.
You know the type.. any discussion will inevitably become about how feature XXX was actually worse than feature YYY on generic PC ZZZ and this unfailing truth has to be driven into the skulls of the audience mercilessly as if anyone cared 25 years later.
4: Drama queens and whiners. I apologize that an evil man is forcing you to read every thread, and respond to every thread on the forum.
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Hey, at least you didn't mention socks and broccoli...
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1,3 and 4 are usually related :) with following way 1 and 3 or 1 and 4
2. CUSA things just should be ignored and all news and addvertaising removed by moderators.
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We're in the midst of the most melodramatic phase I can recall in my years as a member here. Hopefully it blows over soon.
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We're in the midst of the most melodramatic phase I can recall in my years as a member here. Hopefully it blows over soon.
I doubt it, April has just started.
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I will add that I joined the site exclusively for its pancake coverage.
EDIT: Believe it or not, I dont even mind having the CUSA stuff here. I just dont care to read the arguments anymore.
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I think it's just the old Amiga vs ST (Atari vs CBM, 2600 vs Coleco) thing..
People seem to need something to argue about...
I don't even mind a decent argument sometimes (and sometimes I take the trollfood and get suckered in..)..
It frequently reminds me of the Monty Python argument sketch.. ;-)
What bothers me sometimes is the way that it seems almost every thread becomes one of those threads...
It's hard to avoid them on here...
But, on to the serious matters...
What, exactly about "socks" were you referring? Hmmm....
Oh well, off to my pancakes..
desiv
(p.s. I like brocolli too!!!!!)
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It kind of reminds me of "that guy".
You know who it is. The guy you invite to a party and he wants to spend all night talking about his pet crusade. Every conversation becomes about that one issue.
Everything is seen in relation to that. Its how he defines himself and others.
Even if you fundamentally agree with him, it still becomes annoying. "No, I don't think choosing pizza toppings has anything to do with freeing tibet"
There's a lot of "that guy" at this party.
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3: People who seem to be on the site purely to talk about how the amiga sucked compared to PC's or this or that console, or how every game sucked etc etc.
Make me a moderator and this problem will disappear instantly.
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We're in the midst of the most melodramatic phase I can recall in my years as a member here. Hopefully it blows over soon.
Yeah, it does seem like that.
I was thinking this past week that you could turn Amiga.org into a broadway show...Amiga.org THE MUSICAL!
Les Miserables has nothing on the drama here.... :-)
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Yeah, it does seem like that.
I was thinking this past week that you could turn Amiga.org into a broadway show...Amiga.org THE MUSICAL!
Les Miserables has nothing on the drama here.... :-)
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Haha, nice one! I think it would be tough though, because there could only be 3 songs - the rest of the show would be endless reprises! :)
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So I've come to realize that there's things I really can't be assed to care about anymore:
I assume you meant "asked" not assed (but then...)
1: Red vs Blue. OS4 vs Morph OS. I am unlikely to ever run either, and I'll skip threads where this is likely to be a discussion point.
I not 100% sure which is red and which is blue (I guess I'm part of the blue team). If you're not interested you don't have to involved yourself, but plenty of us are interested and there are others who each day decide to try either OS. AND it not that adversarial (although MorphOS is better).
2: CUSA threads. Period.
I'm interested in this and have been more so since I took the time to call Barry Altman and hear him out. Like it or not Commodore is back and in production. Whether you're interested in their products or not, the interest they generate can only serve to increase interest in our own communities.
3: People who seem to be on the site purely to talk about how the amiga sucked compared to PC's or this or that console, or how every game sucked etc etc.
Why ARE those people here?
You know the type.. any discussion will inevitably become about how feature XXX was actually worse than feature YYY on generic PC ZZZ and this unfailing truth has to be driven into the skulls of the audience mercilessly as if anyone cared 25 years later.
Could be worse, could be the Natami forum. At least we're not constantly inudated by people insisting that all we need is a faster blitter.
4: Drama queens and whiners. I apologize that an evil man is forcing you to read every thread, and respond to every thread on the forum.
Leads right up to my last point, content on this site is post by a somewhat democratic approach. Find a thread interesting or provocative, post a response and it remains current. No interest and it fades into obscurity.
So, whether you're interest in something (that I'm not) or vice-versa is not important.
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Runie, you do realize that you in fact, just started the kind of thread you abhor. Thanks for the spam! :lol:
Just 'ignore' the spuds, ninnies and twits and they'll go away before too long. Way too much wasted mental bandwidth as it is on drivel and nonsense. Stop feeding the trolls! :angry:
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"mental bandwidth" is what I mean to say. I can hear some incredibly droll techno-geek reaming me now for the mispelling and the fact that my usage of the term "bandwidth" relative to an internet forum isn't really slowing anything down. That it's some archaic idealogy we used to talk about in the 90's. :laughing:
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Runie, you do realize that you in fact, just started the kind of thread you abhor. Thanks for the spam! :lol:
Just 'ignore' the spuds, ninnies and twits and they'll go away before too long. Way too much wasted bandwith as it is on drivel and nonsense. Stop feeding the trolls! :angry:
haha, yes. I am part of the problem now :)
I assume you meant "asked" not assed (but then...)
I not 100% sure which is red and which is blue (I guess I'm part of the blue team). If you're not interested you don't have to involved yourself, but plenty of us are interested and there are others who each day decide to try either OS. AND it not that adversarial (although MorphOS is better).
I'm interested in this and have been more so since I took the time to call Barry Altman and hear him out. Like it or not Commodore is back and in production. Whether you're interested in their products or not, the interest they generate can only serve to increase interest in our own communities.
Im not looking to censor anything. Like i posted above, I dont mind the CUSA stuff being there. I just get tired of the perpetual bickering in those threads.
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Runie, you do realize that you in fact, just started the kind of thread you abhor. Thanks for the spam! :lol:
Just 'ignore' the spuds, ninnies and twits and they'll go away before too long. Way too much wasted mental bandwidth as it is on drivel and nonsense. Stop feeding the trolls! :angry:
I've often wanted to use that term but I didn't think folk would know what it meant on your side of the pond, you'er the first one I've heard use it, glad to know you've got ninnies over there too... :)
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I've often wanted to use that term but I didn't think folk would know what it meant on your side of the pond, you'er the first one I've heard use it, glad to know you've got ninnies over there too... :)
Lost In Space's Dr. Smith used it all the time. So does DEVO in 'Through Being Cool'. Two American pop culture refs for 'ya! Pretty sure I've heard one of the Dr. Who's use it before as well. :)
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AND it not that adversarial (although MorphOS is better).
Was that comment really necessary?
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haha, yes. I am part of the problem now :)
Im not looking to censor anything. Like i posted above, I dont mind the CUSA stuff being there. I just get tired of the perpetual bickering in those threads.
CUSA has become the new Red vs. Blue. The bickering will die down eventually, except for the few die hard trolls that just can't let go of their particular view of what a 'true' Amiga is.
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One difference between this and the Red v Blue is that in the latter, both camps held reasonable claims to the heritage. Both were capable of running on suitably equipped classic Amigas and whilst OS4 became the "official" successor to 3.x in the end, MorphOS could easily have have been the one to do so.
On the other hand, the CUSA stuff is a total disconnect. Other than branding, there's absolutely nothing (at least nothing that has been publicly shown) to connect it to the Amiga or earlier Commodore machines.
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Im not looking to censor anything. Like i posted above, I dont mind the CUSA stuff being there. I just get tired of the perpetual bickering in those threads.
OH! Now I get it. Sorry. My bad.
Yeah the news items are useful. The "I'd buy anything with a Commodore label" and the "I'd never buy anything from Barry Altman even if you skinned me alive" posts do get a litle tiresome.
And the drama! Oh, the little melodramatic posts and personal attacks. I could do without those.
More pancakes and socks. No problem.
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Was that comment really necessary?
Not at all (and there are some features of AOS4 that I wish MOS had).
I was just amusing myself.
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Simple just enjoy what ever system you like and not worry about the name/brand, thats what I'm doing, I pretty much treat Icontain and C=USA as a nice topic/disration to discust and debate over while we wait for what I consider real Amigas progress, this includes both OS4 and Aros progress, but thats just me.
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Lost In Space's Dr. Smith used it all the time. So does DEVO in 'Through Being Cool'. Two American pop culture refs for 'ya! Pretty sure I've heard one of the Dr. Who's use it before as well. :)
"spuds, ninnies and twits"
Which phrase, ninnie or twit?
Ninnie is perfectly good English in all English speaking countries.
And twit, while I tend to associate that word with Monty Python, is also perfectly acceptable.
I'm not sure what a spud is.
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"spuds, ninnies and twits"
Which phrase, ninnie or twit?
Ninnie is perfectly good English in all English speaking countries.
And twit, while I tend to associate that word with Monty Python, is also perfectly acceptable.
I'm not sure what a spud is.
It a slang word for potato... :)
but you'll have to figure out what it means when applied to people... ;)
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It a slang word for potato... :)
Remember spud-u-like?
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Remember spud-u-like?
Never liked their baked spuds, the cheese they used was minging... :(
Or was the the ones from Greggs The Bakers... :confused:
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Never liked their baked spuds, the cheese they used was minging... :(
Yep, those are the ones.
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One difference between this and the Red v Blue is that in the latter, both camps held reasonable claims to the heritage. Both were capable of running on suitably equipped classic Amigas and whilst OS4 became the "official" successor to 3.x in the end, MorphOS could easily have have been the one to do so.
On the other hand, the CUSA stuff is a total disconnect. Other than branding, there's absolutely nothing (at least nothing that has been publicly shown) to connect it to the Amiga or earlier Commodore machines.
But that != no desire to do so.
I have to go back to the example of Jay at Atari and continually ask myself if it's more relevant to follow people vs following the technology itself.
Perhaps it's too clearcut to look at it that way, but still...
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But that != no desire to do so.
I have to go back to the example of Jay at Atari and continually ask myself if it's more relevant to follow people vs following the technology itself.
Perhaps it's too clearcut to look at it that way, but still...
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"Perhaps it's too clearcut to look at it that way, but still..."
I know its just me, but I have no clue what you're talking about.
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I dunno, this place goes through phases of upset- R vs B was the last big one I remember. Old guard leave, new blood come in. I'm just here to talk about Amiga, try to let it pass over my head. But I certainly enjoy talking and listening to some new arrivals (well, newish) and am glad I stayed.
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"Perhaps it's too clearcut to look at it that way, but still..."
I know its just me, but I have no clue what you're talking about.
Probably my fault. I tend to be overly brief. Put another way...
Amiga was called to my attention in the old days by *gasp* Atari users. I read about Jay and it was the ideas (and the man who carried them) that I related to and eventually ushered me into the world of Amiga.
That's not to say I was ignorant of the descriptions of the hardware or the operating system. Sure, that played a part. I'm just saying there is more to my platform migration than just those tangible items.
So, for me, I find it too limiting to judge the new "players" just by what hardware they talk about at present.
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Probably my fault. I tend to be overly brief. Put another way...
Amiga was called to my attention in the old days by *gasp* Atari users. I read about Jay and it was the ideas (and the man who carried them) that I related to and eventually ushered me into the world of Amiga.
That's not to say I was ignorant of the descriptions of the hardware or the operating system. Sure, that played a part. I'm just saying there is more to my platform migration than just those tangible items.
So, for me, I find it too limiting to judge the new "players" just by what hardware they talk about at present.
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Much clearer.
Oddly enough, my own judgements come from a polar opposite.
I like the technical specs and hardware fact.
It probably explains why I hung onto the 68K for as long as I did and Why I'm using a PPC now.
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Hey, at least you didn't mention socks and broccoli...
i ONLY come here to talk about socks and broccoli
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i ONLY come here to talk about socks and broccoli
:)
My socks smell like broccoli.
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Probably my fault. I tend to be overly brief. Put another way...
Amiga was called to my attention in the old days by *gasp* Atari users. I read about Jay and it was the ideas (and the man who carried them) that I related to and eventually ushered me into the world of Amiga.
That's not to say I was ignorant of the descriptions of the hardware or the operating system. Sure, that played a part. I'm just saying there is more to my platform migration than just those tangible items.
So, for me, I find it too limiting to judge the new "players" just by what hardware they talk about at present.
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well that makes sense to me.
My introduction to all things Amiga was an animator - once I placed my hands on her Amiga 1000 (then 500, then 2500), I saw the ARTISTIC possibilities of this machine. While knowing briefly the chip set of the Amiga may be interesting to me, what RIVETED me was that for the first time in MY life I saw a device that could be used as an artists tool. Like my airbrush or paintbrush. I could DO something with the Amiga that could not at the time be done with anything else.
this blew my mind.
frankly, I think people now forget that feeling. They forget the doors Amiga opened. We should remember.
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My socks smell like broccoli.
hmmm, somehow I am glad to be several States away
LOL
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runequester
You forgot idiots who have no life and just post all the time to get their post count up.. oh and also hijack threads constantly and talk nonsense all the time.
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Maybe take a break from this hobby and figure out what it is in it that is attracting you, sometimes one seem to forget that.
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On the other hand, the CUSA stuff is a total disconnect. Other than branding, there's absolutely nothing (at least nothing that has been publicly shown) to connect it to the Amiga or earlier Commodore machines.
Which is why reasonable people should cut C=USA a break and wait to hear them out on what their Commodore Amiga series is all about before flaming them. I know everyone wants to know this very minute what is going on, but from my understanding not all decisions have been made yet so what they want is impossible at this point in time.
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i ONLY come here to talk about socks and broccoli
:)
You too, huh? :lol:
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Re:Red vs. Blue
I've got a PowerMac G4 running MOS 2.7 shareware and a MicroA1-c loaned out to another developer. To me they are all just additional platforms to have to support with software.
I hope that the AROS team (myself included) can come up with some way to make all AROS software compile to the other platforms without much effort. Also, cheers to Chris Handley for coming out with PortablE. I hope that'll work on all supported platforms soon also.
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My socks smell like broccoli.
You must eat a lot of the stuff then. Either that, or it's aromatic components have a tendency to concentrate into certain, erm, fluids in the same way asparagus allegedly does...
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Which is why reasonable people should cut C=USA a break and wait to hear them out on what their Commodore Amiga series is all about before flaming them.
I think most people that are critical see this as yet another trip down the garden path. Except it looks even less appealing than any previous time, with no tangible aspect to connect what CUSA appears to be developing with the kit they are named after (at least as far as the Amiga is concerned). Furthermore, CUSA didn't itself any favours with the existing crowd at the start and alienated virtually everybody at some stage or other.
I know everyone wants to know this very minute what is going on, but from my understanding not all decisions have been made yet so what they want is impossible at this point in time.
I shouldn't believe your own hyperbole too much - the reactions I'm getting here seem a lot more negative than "wanting to know what is going on", more specifically, a wish they'd just go away and haunt some other forum instead. It's been that way a for some time. If you take your glasses off and give them a rub, you might just see it too.
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Amiga [A1000] was the last revolutionary computer I ever bought, and therefore the best Now in the time of lethargic evolution my PCs are just tools, I love them no more than my chopsticks.....only the food is important ;)
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Amiga [A1000] was the last revolutionary computer I ever bought, and therefore the best Now in the time of lethargic evolution my PCs are just tools, I love them no more than my chopsticks.....only the food is important ;)
I think this is a good point for why we are all here.
I like my linux box, but its ultimately just a tool to do stuff.
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Which is why reasonable people should cut C=USA a break and wait to hear them out on what their Commodore Amiga series is all about before flaming them. I know everyone wants to know this very minute what is going on, but from my understanding not all decisions have been made yet so what they want is impossible at this point in time.
I think you'll find the reasonable people have already asked questions, and whether satisfied by the answers or not, left the subject alone at that point. It's only the couple o' crazies that are carrying on this flamewar, and they're not getting as much attention now. Having said that, C-USA people seem to have calmed down a lot recently too, there doesn't seem to be much of the whole "this is the only future of Amiga" nonsense either any more, which is a good thing.
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runequester
You forgot idiots who have no life and just post all the time to get their post count up.. oh and also hijack threads constantly and talk nonsense all the time.
Oh the irony!
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+1 :lol:
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runequester
You forgot idiots who have no life and just post all the time to get their post count up.. oh and also hijack threads constantly and talk nonsense all the time.
Oh the irony!
+1
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+1 from all the fanboys what a suprise.. you just called yourselves out. How perfect. Pretty soon all that will be left on this site is you fanboys talking to eachother about your amiga hordes and what you DONT do with your amigas. Great, real fun site.
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On the other hand, the CUSA stuff is a total disconnect. Other than branding, there's absolutely nothing (at least nothing that has been publicly shown) to connect it to the Amiga or earlier Commodore machines.
How do you figure? The C64x is physically a twin of the earlier C64. The Amiga product has not been released so we really don't know. If the Amiga product has a true emulation layer, it will have the same heritage as AROS, OS4, MorphOS etc.
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+1 from all the fanboys what a suprise.. you just called yourselves out. How perfect. Pretty soon all that will be left on this site is you fanboys talking to eachother about your amiga hordes and what you DONT do with your amigas. Great, real fun site.
Harsh, mag. And I've always tried to treat you fairly. But lately all your posts are just filled with negative crap and barbs about other posters.
I actually remember when you had points to make that weren't just focused on other posters.
Hell, I remember when you were a nice guy.
WTF happened?
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iggy
Why do you chime in +1 to instigate me? Yeah, i remember when aorg was a legend. But due to the -MODERATED- posting all the time now have really really polluted aorg.
Whats funny is over past months i've been defending aorg to people on aw.net and elswhere and I cannot do so any longer. If you notice a lot of the serious usa amiga people never come here any more. As well as euro developers and others. Now, just a few lame fanboys who havent bought 1 piece of amiga software or hardware in the past 3 years, or never had or wanted an Amiga NG system. os4 or morphos. They just cling on to their classics and flame blast any other system or idea. Its really pathetic.
For instance the guy you just +1 after (retro) is now my enemy because of one thread where someone was selling an a1260 in the usa and didnt want to ship overseas and I agreed its not a good idea now this moron follows me around talking sh8t. WTF has this person ever done for the amiga community? Except hoard hw and talk crap. (telling me he is going to put me in the hospital)
And you wonder why i'm not a "nice guy" here anymore??
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iggy
Why do you chime in +1 to instigate me? Yeah, i remember when aorg was a legend. But due to the -MODERATED- posting all the time now have really really polluted aorg.
Whats funny is over past months i've been defending aorg to people on aw.net and elswhere and I cannot do so any longer. If you notice a lot of the serious usa amiga people never come here any more. As well as euro developers and others. Now, just a few lame fanboys who havent bought 1 piece of amiga software or hardware in the past 3 years, or never had or wanted an Amiga NG system. os4 or morphos. They just cling on to their classics and flame blast any other system or idea. Its really pathetic.
For instance the guy you just +1 after (retro) is now my enemy because of one thread where someone was selling an a1260 in the usa and didnt want to ship overseas and I agreed its not a good idea now this moron follows me around talking sh8t. WTF has this person ever done for the amiga community? Except hoard hw and talk crap. (telling me he is going to put me in the hospital)
And you wonder why i'm not a "nice guy" here anymore??
I think you let them get to you, and in that they've won, Mag.
And I wasn't kidding about the posts. You used to have some good input and now you're always mad.