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Amiga computer related discussion => General chat about Amiga topics => Topic started by: runequester on April 01, 2011, 08:49:54 PM
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What were the best things about owning an amiga, back when you got yours?
Whats the best things today?
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Same today as it was back then... the simple fact you're using the best home computer and OS ever conceived... :D
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same today as it was back then... The simple fact you're using the best home computer and os ever conceived...
+500
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Today, for me, it would be the classic games that are still fun to play and the classic hardware that is fun to tinker around with.
Yes, it's also fun to sometimes be delusional as to how anything Amiga is better than the modern computers and operating systems. :P
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Same today as it was back then... the simple fact you're using the best home computer and OS ever conceived... :D
yes agree 100 % or is that 110 % dunno am dummy no am not doomy hehe
short answer erverthing aprat from the floppys never did have alot luck erors on
l rember this clearly so for people intresed that didnt have one in the day
l had my amiga 500 quite late so whould have diffrent take on the matter than early
users . found 1.3 wb frustraing to say least when you looking at people in club with
wb 2.0 and hard drives athough all games played except aga ones, which people used
to say oh yeah u havent got aga or hd oh to bad hehe
got my amiga 1200 and was like at first didnt like it was so diffrent l supect bit like sam
boards of today felt like not alot like 500 perseption funny thing l think live with something for awhile so thats why professinal reviews can be misleading
yeah but loved it when had use for like in programs never was big gamer
be great u chould just add super cpu and just have same machine with better grpahics
or just more power and decent browser and ram l be happy as
ditto when added a ppc card blizzard 603 240 mhz + felt werid and diffrent l kinda relate
to people saying not amiga like esp when running just ppc programs . but get used to it
and just way power up programs seemed bit over large complicated and files had diffrent extensions but boy did lha work faster and ppc qauke was awsome
l think always been this way u gain something you loose somethink sure been 1.2 wb users didnt like wb 2.1 and seems l dont know how true l didnt notice it
Like windows wb 3.0 was updated to wb 3.1 because first was buggy same with 2.0 and 2.1
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I gotta admit... sometimes it's nice just to play around WB1.3 compared to 3.1. Sure, 3.1 may be a lot more "productive", but the simplicity of 1.3 and the fact that most everything written for it just_plain_works without the typical config hassles, sure is a nice reprieve at the end of the day.
Oh... the best thing about owning an Amiga back in the day: showing your friends what a stock machine can do... that was always a lot of fun. Sound sampling was a HUGE deal back in the mid-late 80's and the Amiga was excellent at it. The Cinemaware games and stuff like Frontier: Elite 2 really caught the eye of friends that were into their IBM clones.
Today, showing people what an expanded Amiga can do garners even more fascination. Telling people you still use (and never stopped using really) your Amiga for modern or semi-modern things can be fun. Most of my friends "get it" anyway. While they may not have an interest in playing around with legacy hardware (or anything Amiga), they understand it's a hobby for me. ALL are extremely fascinated by the MorphOS system on the big screen though and recognize how efficient and "cool" it is to play around with. When I have company over, we've been having a lot of fun watching YouTube vids, checking out Wikipedia for the impromptu quick fun fact on something, Facebooking and all that sort of nonsense. Adds to the interactive "partying" we've got going down in the basement. I let people fart around with the system, so its fun to hear their thoughts and questions. Anyone can throw their Windoze or Mac on a big screen - but there's always going to be something "special" about running Amiga-like apps and an OS that's "new" to others. We entertain fairly often, so lots of Amiga awareness gets generated around this house. :)
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Same today as it was back then... the simple fact you're using the best home computer and OS ever conceived... :D
Except for the fact that the desktop and window manager suck big time. This has to change!
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Today I am able to use Windows applications on AmigaOS using a sort-of "XP Mode."
It's called "RDesktop." :D
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Except for the fact that the desktop and window manager suck big time. This has to change!
Dunno about "desktop" or "window manager"... only ever used Workbench and Intuition takes care of the windows... ;)
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Dunno about "desktop" or "window manager"... only ever used Workbench and Intuition takes care of the windows... ;)
Workbench is the desktop, and Intuition is the window manager. desktop and window manager are general names for components that exist in many operating systems, including AmigaOs :)
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Best thing was (and still is) the creativity and resourcefulness of the Amiga Community.
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Workbench is the desktop, and Intuition is the window manager. desktop and window manager are general names for components that exist in many operating systems, including AmigaOs :)
Never used those terms in 25 years of Amiga use to describe anything on the miggy or heard anyone call them that up till now... :)
Don't you think that using such terms that make them sound like a Windoze product is a wee bit of an insult to the good old miggie... ;)
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Never used those terms in 25 years of Amiga use to describe anything on the miggy or heard anyone call them that up till now... :)
Don't you think that using such terms that make them sound like a Windoze product is a wee bit of an insult to the good old miggie... ;)
No, I don't think it's insulting to use general terms to describe OS components on the Amiga :)
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I always thought back in the day, that the Amiga let you do stuff that didn't look like it was done on a computer. You could do music, graphics, animation, and publishing on the old 8-bit machines - I did a bit of that myself... but for the most part this was just novelty stuff. The Atari user group newsletter I did on the Atari 800 being the one exception.
When the Amiga came out, you could do stuff for it's own sake not just for the sake of doing it with that expensive computer. There was good software aimed at the non-professional users. The EA "Deluxe" stuff, Sonix, Pagestream all were easier to use than their PC counterparts. The multitasking Amiga OS made it easy to use them all at once.
Now, not so much other than bragging rights about being able to do all this way back in 1987 with the same hardware. ;-)
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Now, not so much other than bragging rights about being able to do all this way back in 1987 with the same hardware. ;-)
Gotta disagree with you on that point, everything computing wise I do other than the internet is still done on the Amiga and always has been for 25 years solid... :)
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What were the best things about owning an amiga, back when you got yours?
Whats the best things today?
(some) of the games. The user interface (versus B&W Macintosh, DOS and its command line or all text-'n'-ASCII graphics "Windows"), the sound, etc. Going from 39k free on my C64 (or 96k in my 128 I had for a few months) to a whopping megabyte of memory in my A500. Then came my A1200 and wow what a disappointment. I'd have gotten rid of it much quicker if a kind soul hadn't given me his DKB 030 card, then I put a 60mb HD and a 4mb SIMM in it. Sweet little system.
These days, every once in a great while I'll fire up WinUAE and screw around with 3d apps (Scenery Animator, VistaPro 2, early versions of LightWave) but the hoops you have to jump through to get various things working on an Amiga, plus how ancient the software is, keeps me from considering it for serious work.
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Gotta disagree with you on that point, everything computing wise I do other than the internet is still done on the Amiga and always has been for 25 years solid... :)
Well you can, sure. But my 5 dollar Compaq Athlon can pretend to be my old Amiga and run all that software as well as do the internet. ;-)
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Well you can, sure. But my 5 dollar Compaq Athlon can pretend to be my old Amiga and run all that software as well as do the internet. ;-)
Ahh but... as you say it's just "pretending" to be a miggie, that can't even come close to the years of frustration & fun and poking about inside the real thing trying to get bits n bobs to work... :)
And as for the internet I wouldn't tarnish me miggies with that nonsense, what would they think if they saw the rubbish I post on here, they'd have a hairy fit and probably self destruct in cloud of purple smoke (mind you that would give me something to tinker with)... :)
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Well you can, sure. But my 5 dollar Compaq Athlon can pretend to be my old Amiga and run all that software as well as do the internet. ;-)
Hi,
Agree with you on this point, but it still has some glitches like while it is playing music, the music will shut off while loading a picture off an Aminet disk. The original Amiga never misses a heart beat.
Let see the best thing about owning an Amiga when I bought it was that it could run IBM programs like Lotus 123, and Dbase with transformer. My IBM PC type machine gave out and I had to buy a computer, what made me buy the Amiga, it was something new and when the salesman showed me Transformer it impressed me. Since I was using Lotus 123 to program spreadsheets and Lotus worked on the Amiga I bought it. Never looked back from there. One thing I could never figure out is why they added more letters to the drives, A: is a lot easier to type than df0: and the sentences they used to make a diskcopy or copy a file. Later it just came natural and never noticed the extra key steps.
smerf
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Best thing back then for me was largely the games. I was only a young man at the time and I was much more game oriented than I am now. Ive always been interested in graphics too, so deluxe paint was something I used a lot as a young teen. Additionally Ive been interested in making games since a very young age (made a simple rpg on tandy coco1 at the age of 6), so when AMOS was 1st released I started using that. Over time I kept using the Amiga and its big apps that appealed to me that appeared over the years. Blitz Basic2, Brilliance, Imagine and others of the era were big with me when I got my 1st a1200.
Despite all this though it wasnt until Amithlon came out that I really delved deeply into AmigaOS and the plethora of "enhancements" available. Being that some of the software Id used heavily over the years required custom chipset I was forced to look for alternative ways of doing things. This combined with the speed of amithlon really changed my perspective about the amiga and it's OS. It was no longer just a nice, albiet dated system to me lacking many modern features, but a blank canvas on which to easily build a system that behaves exactly as Id like. Perhaps a little ironic that amithlon, which can perform some of the modern functionailty that may normally be missing on an amiga (full speed movies, full speed mame and other emus, easily play mp3s, decent compiling speeds, high framerates in quake1/2, etc.), was what me made stop comparing the amiga to pcs and appreciating it as it's own entity.
I used amithlon/os3.9 exclusively for a few years (and still do sometimes), but in recent times have come to appreciate the classics again too. Sure theyre quite humble on paper compared to modern computers, but there's still a heck of a lot you can do with them, especially if you disregard modern standards. That's actually part of the appeal for me personally, seeing what results you can obtain from such an old machine. Not to mention theyre a heck of a lot of fun :)
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Aside from the games, it's using a system that I know I can truly understand, from the hardware all the way up to the OS.
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When I first got an Amiga, everything was great about it. The speech synthesis alone provided countless hours of hilarity. I mostly used the A500 for games, drawing, and making music, though.
The best thing today, and in retrospect it was pretty cool back then too, is being able to find out so much info about my computer just by reading the manual. It's a far cry from the documentation that modern computers ship with. Even online, the schematics for my Dell aren't available.
It's also fun watching my modern PC and my A500 race to start up, especially since the Amiga always wins.
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When I first got an Amiga, everything was great about it. The speech synthesis alone provided countless hours of hilarity. I mostly used the A500 for games, drawing, and making music, though.
The best thing today, and in retrospect it was pretty cool back then too, is being able to find out so much info about my computer just by reading the manual. It's a far cry from the documentation that modern computers ship with. Even online, the schematics for my Dell aren't available.
It's also fun watching my modern PC and my A500 race to start up, especially since the Amiga always wins.
Thats one of the nice things. For a commercial OS, they documented the hell out of everything, down to how everything worked. Very nice.
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Back in Time!,
Amazing and never seen before Real Mutltasking OS, Stereo Sound, 4096 Colors.. Yeah, was wonderfull Music Creator!, all in graphic environment, like Word Procesors, Spreadsheet, and more And ofcourse, the games.
Nowdays,
The same.. now you can still using for many things..like Internet (some limitations 68k OS3.X but still working!), Word Procesors, Music, and many more.. Yeah...ofcourse play Games..
Anyway, all depend what do you want, and how many time you have for spend for use any real Amiga.
I do no blame those who choose emulate. Its any way to keep alive Amiga.
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Thats one of the nice things. For a commercial OS, they documented the hell out of everything, down to how everything worked. Very nice.
And they did it beautifully, to boot. The Amiga documentation is just about the best technical writing I've ever had the good fortune to read :)
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Ahh but... as you say it's just "pretending" to be a miggie, that can't even come close to the years of frustration & fun and poking about inside the real thing trying to get bits n bobs to work... :)
I dunno.... one of the really cool things about the original Amiga was that you *didn't* have to do a lot of fiddly bits under the hood (bonnet), compared to the peecee. At least until UAE came along. ;-)
And as for the internet I wouldn't tarnish me miggies with that nonsense, what would they think if they saw the rubbish I post on here, they'd have a hairy fit and probably self destruct in cloud of purple smoke (mind you that would give me something to tinker with)... :)
Can't argue with that. ;-) I had my A2000 on the web way back in the early days of surfing... it may have forgiven me by now. ;-D
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Hi,
Agree with you on this point, but it still has some glitches like while it is playing music, the music will shut off while loading a picture off an Aminet disk. The original Amiga never misses a heart beat.
smerf
Ahh... Can't say I ever tried that. It amazes me that UAE works at all. ;-) It was a hoot to run Deluxe Music and use the MIDI synth in my cheapo PC as an instrument. Pity DMCS was never upgraded to handle the newer midi files..
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It was the best machine you could afford and nothing came close. But the best thing was that you had the power to change everything and make it truly yours.
Today it's great that you can afford all the soft and hardware you once dreamed of and even take all your software with you wherever you go. Because machines can finally run UAE at decent speeds and your thumbdrive can hold 50 HD partitions withno trouble at all.
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Digi-View :)
Especially the jealous looks at my awesome grabs from my non Amiga owning friends heh
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Except for the fact that the desktop and window manager suck big time. This has to change!
I can't understand this statement, since my way of working is much more compatible with Workbench than KDE, Windows, Finder, GNOME and FVWM combined. You are confusing your preference with superiority!
If you take Workbench from me, you are taking a part that I really love from Amiga. I´d pay 60 bucks just for the "click to back" feature in Windows alone. I miss IconEd on a Mac and tooltypes beat registys & .ini any time!
So tell me how to make other OSs more like Workbench and you will find me grateful.
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In fact if it did change this would be the last day I'd be using the box.
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One thing I could never figure out is why they added more letters to the drives, A: is a lot easier to type than df0: and the sentences they used to make a diskcopy or copy a file. Later it just came natural and never noticed the extra key steps.
Funny, moving from DOS and Windows 3.1 to my first Amiga (a bare A1200), I loved AmigaDOS and very quickly couldn't understand why Microsoft didn't add extra letters to the drive letters to make them more intuitive. And the flexibility of the commands compared to DOS made it just so much nicer to do anything. Entering a directory name without having to type CD for example, and so on.
Today I still much prefer using the Amiga's command prompt over all others. Some are more powerful, sure, but using the Windows, Linux, Mac and QNX consoles regularly I always find AmigaDOS so much nicer to work with. And ARexx, the amount of times I curse not having ARexx on other platforms! Double-click to bring a window to the front is another one, I could go on...
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One thing I could never figure out is why they added more letters to the drives, A: is a lot easier to type than df0: and the sentences they used to make a diskcopy or copy a file. Later it just came natural and never noticed the extra key steps.
I like the Amiga's approach better because (like the Unix/Linux /devs directory) it provides a coherent, standard approach to enumerating physical storage devices, and it also provides access-by-volume-label, which is woefully underused. Single letters are convenient until you're choosing from half a dozen partitions and drives and trying to remember which is which without looking it up.
The extra verbage in some of the commands, though, is pretty unnecessary.
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I can't understand this statement, since my way of working is much more compatible with Workbench than KDE, Windows, Finder, GNOME and FVWM combined. You are confusing your preference with superiority!
No, I'm not confusing preference with superiority. The AOS desktop and window manager are very primitive and slow, many of the current features are missing, and I find this a pain.
As for your preferences, there's absolutely no reason at all why a modern desktop and window manager (written from scratch for AOS) can't work in a way similar to AOS' desktop and window manager, and it's actually quite important to be able to configure such a system to work in the way the user wants.
This means you get to use the system in the way you use Workbench, while still getting all the new features, while others can configure it to work more like other GUI systems if they want.
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'sfunny...I immediately glommed onto the drive lettering convention (and the generalities of maneuvering around the filesystem) on the PC when I switched. Even though the HD I upgraded to when I got the PC was 3x bigger, I didn't feel compelled to have the mess of partitions everyone kept suggesting I have for my piddly little 60mb HD in my 1200, plus "C" (vs. DH0, DH1, DF0, DF1 etc. ad nauseam) just made more sense to me.
I think I'm extremely lucky to have gotten into PCs when I did - you can go back and read Info World online, going all the way back to 1980, and yes, really until around 1994/1995, IBM clones (and Mac systems but to a lesser degree) were shit. As it was the box I built when I sold my Amiga gear, while not great, was the best combination of gear for the easiest transition from the Amiga to the PC I could ask for - and indeed in many ways simpler. I had a 2x CD-ROM drive, 170mb HD, DOS6.22 and Windows 3.11. As lousy as Win3.11 was, many things in it "just worked". For me, anyway.
Had I "grown up" with PCs I probably wouldn't feel that way.
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The AOS desktop and window manager are very primitive and slow, many of the current features are missing, and I find this a pain.
Most Features you might be missing can be installed with commodities. If you are missing something like mac´s QuickLook - well make multiview a hotkey.
As for speed - on comparable hardware you won´t find anything that is faster than Workbench.
What is your favorite WM? I used WindowMaker in the late 90s and I think it is among the best of them. I have however never found a filemanager that satisfies me. Also many X11 software really isn´t designed for click to focus or focus on background windows...
it's actually quite important to be able to configure such a system to work in the way the user wants.
But neither KDE nor GNOME nor Windows nor Mac OS let you even control the Z-order of your windows properly. You can´t tell Windows to open two files of the same type with different programms. You can`t leave out icons on your desktop or snapshot a window or icon. All this is just on Workbench and I bet if someone implements "modern" features into Workbench, he is going to break some of the old stuff. Why not let these be commodities?
I don´t get your meaning of "modern" anyways. Or do you mean multitouch?
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Never heard Of Dopus Mag ? :)
To this day there's pretty much nothing any other Windows Manager does that Dopus Mag cant do, only DopusMag is much more efficient and more flexible than most. Even those that like Workbench can make it behave much the same, but with whatever extras they like.
To this day I find it surprising how little a lot of "amiga" users know about the system (not just referring to DM here). If you want to do something there's pretty much always a way if you take the time to learn how. This is "power" as much as any of the more typical definitions people give the word.
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What were the best things about owning an amiga, back when you got yours?
The immensely creative and productive demo scene.
Whats the best things today?
Nostalgia.
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The A3000 holds my monitor at just the right height.
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Most Features you might be missing can be installed with commodities.
The desktop and window manager should be replaced, trying to fix old software seems pretty pointless to me (in this case).
As for speed - on comparable hardware you won´t find anything that is faster than Workbench.
Doesn't mean a faster gui system isn't possible.
What is your favorite WM?
I don't really have one! I'm just complaining about the AOS gui lagging behind, while this isn't necessary from a technical viewpoint.
But neither KDE nor GNOME nor Windows nor Mac OS let you even control the Z-order of your windows properly. You can´t tell Windows to open two files of the same type with different programms. You can`t leave out icons on your desktop or snapshot a window or icon.
Those are nothing but flaws in those gui systems, and there's no reason why we can't have a gui system that does it all right.
All this is just on Workbench and I bet if someone implements "modern" features into Workbench, he is going to break some of the old stuff. Why not let these be commodities?
Better to replace Workbench.
I don´t get your meaning of "modern" anyways. Or do you mean multitouch?
No, I mean far less limited than what's available for AOS. Mui is a nice attempt, but can still be done better, and certainly faster.
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For me it's also games, but also the speed at which they start, some Amiga's are a lot faster than my PC rig, which isn't a small one either.
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a machine that comes on in 10 seconds or less and is actually ready to roll at that point, is nice.
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A machine I can write high or low level code on and still enjoy it to the extent that it doesn't even faze me when I crash it :D
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Those are nothing but flaws in those gui systems, and there's no reason why we can't have a gui system that does it all right.
I used to think that as well, but my optimism faded. Good if you have kept yours. I can remember how I was amazed by Daves Jazzbench it replaced my Worbench for some time until 2.0 came. So yes, I have seen somebody who really understood the Amiga way and was able to improve on it. But I haven´t seen this kind of skill in recent times.
Oh, and don´t bash commodities, because they are a great way to make a GUI adapt to some users preferences, without bothering the others.
If someone really does something to advance GUI in general it´s probably Apple and the iPad. But I don´t think this way will fit the Amiga.
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A machine I can write high or low level code on and still enjoy it to the extent that it doesn't even faze me when I crash it :D
Word.
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Word.
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would have sufficed :lol:
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Heh :D
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What were the best things about owning an amiga, back when you got yours?
Whats the best things today?
Are you kidding? Amiga compared to green or black and white screens which needed text input and every peace of s... HW has to be mounted and had ID-conflicts and was beeping around...
For me is the question why somebody back in the days could have wanted an PC or even a Mac which back in time all together were crap. Which led to the conclusion that a big part of the population on earth is insane.
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Are you kidding? Amiga compared to green or black and white screens which needed text input and every peace of s... HW has to be mounted and had ID-conflicts and was beeping around...
For me is the question why somebody back in the days could have wanted an PC or even a Mac which back in time all together were crap. Which led to the conclusion that a big part of the population on earth is insane.
Nicely summed up... :)
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Nicely summed up... :)
Indeed. Tons of examples all_day_long to support this well known, but intellectually denied fact among the mainstream who is insane in the membrane. :crazy:
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When I first got an Amiga, everything was great about it. The speech synthesis alone provided countless hours of hilarity.
the FIRST thing i did on the FIRST day I brought my A2000 home was to call up my brother and hold the phone over the speaker as my Amiga said, "Hello, This is cecilia's Amiga"
:roflmao: That still cracks me up
I love that my Amiga taught me all about computers, how to draw and animate on a computer, how to THINK "computer" and multitask. And that changed the direction of my career. To which I am very and forever grateful.
I recall looking forward to every issue of JumpDisk because playing with the newest program was always such great fun. It's taken other systems years to catch up to this quality of FUN.
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I got my Amiga when I was in College..
It was a largely Mac school, but I had about $850 to spend..
So, no Mac in the price range..
The school bookstore actually had some kind of sweet deal with NEC (I think) and had a decent (at the time) NEC laptop for $1000, so I was going to see what organs I could sell to swing that.....
And then they had an Amiga 500 with a 1084s monitor (and I think it came with the extra 512K.. I don't remember buying that separate) for $850..
I was a C64 guy, so I wanted one, but I needed something for school....
I was lamenting to the kid standing next to me looking at the Amiga at the time.
He asked if I knew about A-Max..
I did, of course.. Sweet.. A few hundred $$, then find a Mac ROM for more money and buy a copy of Mac OS and get yourself a Mac Floppy drive and you have a Mac AND an Amiga for less than the cost of the Mac... But way out of my budget..
And he said, "I meant the cracked version.." Cracked? Hardware cracked? What..
He explained that you really didn't need the hardware.. He had an Amiga with said cracked version, and AMax formatted floppy disks with SYSTEM and programs (including MacPascal needed at the time) he'd let me copy. And I didn't even need a Mac floppy, as once you're online, you just file transfer everything...
I quickly flagged down the sales person and took the A500 on the spot!!!
(Which was kind of silly, because I didn't know this other kid and had no idea how good or bad the cracked A-Max was...)
Well, it was good enough.. ;-) In fact, the first computer virus I ever got was a Mac virus on my emulated Mac.. ;-) It was that good..
Best thing about owning an Amiga at the time?
I could afford to buy it and do what I needed (although there was some piracy in there, I admit that, but I couldn't have afforded the PC or Mac, even if I pirated software for them..)
So, I would like to formally apologize to Readysoft, but I really couldn't afford it at the time, so it wasn't a lost sale..
Turns out, even the $850 was more than I could afford and I had to buy ramen noodles and white bread for months to survive...
But it was worth it...
I did eventually buy an A-Max and a Mac floppy, but it was years (and years, well out of college) later and second hand so they still didn't get any money from it..
I did buy Dragon's Lair (ReadySoft) tho a year or so later (still in college), so I hope that helped a bit..
(Shut up, I like Dragon's Lair.. Yeah, I'm that guy..) ;-)
desiv
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Are you kidding? Amiga compared to green or black and white screens which needed text input and every peace of s... HW has to be mounted and had ID-conflicts and was beeping around...
For me is the question why somebody back in the days could have wanted an PC or even a Mac which back in time all together were crap. Which led to the conclusion that a big part of the population on earth is insane.
Commodore stopped promoting the A1000 for a year due to the 500 and 2000 cockup remember
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Commodore stopped promoting the A1000 for a year due to the 500 and 2000 cockup remember
Are you sure? In my country C= didn´t promote nearly nothing. It was mouth to mouth propaganda based on the fact what our eyes saw and ears heard.
When I remember the times a look for computers in the big warehouses here around (Quelle - now bankrupt and they deserved it...) they sold Amigas only showing the screen with the hand that holds the disk and that only sometimes - I think they feared showing of Amigas in their full glory because it would have resulted in the fact they wouldn´t have sold no single PC. In that time around 1989 I saw now Mac´s there and also can not remember a single Atari in the shops. I am not talking of the small specialised shops, you know.
Really the Commodore salespeople and management deserve a very big EPIC FAIL cup for impotent at marketing and also some other areas.