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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Hardware Issues and discussion => Topic started by: Beaps on April 01, 2011, 01:22:03 PM
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Hi All,
This is my fist post - hello everyone!!
I need a little help before I throw my amiga in front of a bus.
I bought a basic amiga A600 off ebay & I wanna install a Compact Flash Drive.
I have opened the machine and installed the CF & set it as Master. I have booted into Workbench 2.05 and I cant the CF Drive. Its currently formatted to Fat32 & I cant find HDInstall to format/partition the the drive.
My questions are...
Do I need a different version of Workbench.
Do I need 4MB of Ram etc
Any ideas?
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I think the "HDinstall" application is located on the "install" floppy, not the workbench floppy. If you didn't receive all floppies(I think it was 4 floppies for workbench 2.05) when you bought it you'll either have to buy original floppies on ebay, or copy(piracy) it from someone.
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Hi Damiga.
I bought this thinking it would help but I dont really know how to use it
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140518696864&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT
It said it has HDInstall but I cant find it on the disk
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Hi Damiga.
I bought this thinking it would help but I dont really know how to use it
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140518696864&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT
It said it has HDInstall but I cant find it on the disk
I doubt that you installed this inside the Amiga and set it to master. The "HD-Install" written on the disk probably means that the software can be installed to an existing harddrive, but not that it can install a harddrive from scratch. I am quite sure that this floppy disk only contains software to read FAT formatted CF disks from the PCMCIA slot.
The Install floppy mentioned above was only delivered with Amiga models which already had a harddrive and with upgrade kits. It was not contained with Amigas without harddrives.
You can use this to install your new HDD: http://aminet.net/package/disk/misc/hdinst
If you have no means to transfer this to your Amiga, you can connect the CF card to a PC and prepare it using WinUAE.
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Hi,
No sorry I have somthing similar to this installed in the HDD slot
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Amiga-600-4gb-Transcend-CF-Hard-Drive-/160564573804?pt=UK_VintageComputing_RL&hash=item256264f66c
I have tried connecting the CF to WinUAE with no joy, I thought it would be easier to do this in the machine.
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Preparing a new Amiga HDD with WinUAE is rather easy. "No joy" is not an adequate error description.
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"No joy" is not an adequate error description.
I totally agree there.. More description of the problem in WinUAE will be required..
Preparing a new Amiga HDD with WinUAE is rather easy.
Well, considering the number of people who have question about this, that might be a bit off.. It's not that difficult generally..
It does involve (or it did when I did it) launching WinUAE with the -disableharddrivesafetycheck option.
Then there's making sure that you have the correct controller type when you launch HDToolbox... (Matches the type of drive that was added when you added it to WinUAE)
Then there's still the possibility that the CF Card might not be compatible, as some aren't...
It's one of those configs that sounds more complicated than it is, but I wouldn't call it easy...
desiv
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Hey I managed to find it in UAE
Now its asking me to set drive type, SCSI or XT
What now fellas :-)
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Ive gone to define drive and clicked 'Read Configeration' and its filled in all the boxes.
When I click OK it say "Install 3.1 is full"
What now?
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What I would recommend would be use use a ClassicWB install onto a hardfile first.
Get that setup and working.
Then add your CF card in WinUAE, format it (4G, at least 2 partitions), and copy your ClassicWB files (all of it) to the newly formatted CF drive..
http://classicwb.abime.net/
They have several different ones, and I haven't done one for the A600 (I have an A1200), but the GAAE version might work for 2.0?????
Also, you'll probably need to set your maxtransfer value in HDToolbox to 0x1fe00 for the CF card partitions. At least I think that's it.. Not at my Amiga now..
desiv
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Classicwb seems difficult to use, why am I getting 'Volume Install3,1 is Full'
I started WinUAE from a command prompt using
WinUAE.exe -disableharddrivesafetycheck
The CF is SanDisk Ultra II 4GB 15 MB/s
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Classicwb seems difficult to use
Really?? How so?
The error sounds like you are actually trying to install WB to your WB floppy, not your hard drive, but I'm not familiar with WB 2...
OH, wait...
Are you doing WB 3??
Do you have a 3.x Kickstart??
I see you mention 2. and 3. in your posts...
desiv
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I am using the following from Amiga Forever CD
amiga-os-310.rom
amiga-os-310-install.adf
amiga-os-310-workbench.adf
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Yes.. In your A600..
Do you have Kickstart 2 or kickstart 3?
If you're using the wrong Workbench for your Kickstart, that will be a problem later at least..
Those should work for installing WB 3 on Amiga Forever..
As I said, it sounds like your actually installing it to the floppy rather than the HD, which sound like it didn't see the HD partitions (or the HD) properly..
I'm not at my Amigas, so that's about all I can do from memory..
desiv
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oh i am using 2.05 wb in the real amiga, ok i will change to 2. in winuae
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I have recently created a CF hard disk for my A1200 after a long while. I share this note in case it would be useful.
- I first installed ClassicWB onto WinUAE linked to an hdf hard disk.
- I was using Win7 (too bad :)), so I had to run WinUAE with administrator priviledge instead of -disableharddrivesafetycheck to mount the CF as Hard Drive into WinUAE with read/write option and UAE controller.
- Once into the OS, I changed SCSI into SCSI_DEVICE_NAME=uaehf.device to recognize the CF card into Hdtoolbox (don't pay attention to the size that it is shown..)
- I was using a16 GB card, so I had to install the SFS from Aminet with dostype 0x53465300, patched scsi.device (tutorial on ClassicWB youtube channel) and again not pay attention to the partition size shown by hdtoolbox...
- I partitioned 300 MB boot with FFS partition, and all the rest as SFS (seen as SFS/00 into hdtoolbox) making sure to use the same set-up for all partitions (max transfer 0x1FE00,mask 0x7ffffffe,buffer 100)
- After the reboot, I have quick-formatted the boot partition with Amiga util, while I used SFSformat for the large SFS data partition(s).
- Finally I moved all the hdf files into the boot partition of the CF card with the Dopus, and changed back to SCSI_DEVICE_NAME=scsi.device
- I plugged the card into my A1200 and it worked out. My fab Amiga 1200 was performing better then ever :)
- A final note on the A600 KS. With KS 3.1 you can use any partition/card size (assuming you have patched scsi and used SFS for data partitions). With 2.05 revision 37.350 you will be somehow limited to 4GB. With KS 2.05 rev 37.300 it should't work at all..
There are several procedures available...you may want to take a look at the Classicamiga wiki, which is the one that I used.
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Here is what I am getting...
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I am not sure whether this helps, but try to change the name into ram:junk so files are not written into the floppy...
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You lost me roc - how do I do that
Here are some clearer images
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Maybe you are writing into the ADF..
Take a look at this link..it might help: http://www.lemonamiga.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=8440&sid=97385bd795b7850f5e28663c047c150b
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I might have to give this up as a bad deal as I cant see where I am going wrong :-(
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Can someone please post there WinUAE config so I can try that?
Been doing this aaaaaaaaallll day now and its doing my head in
Thanks
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Another WinUAE config will not help. Just do what roc suggested: your second hardcopy shows an input field called "File Name" which is prefilled with "drive definitions". This means it will try to save a file called "drive definitions" to the place HDToolbox was started from. This file is not needed in any way. So either change the input field to "ram:drive definitions" or "ram:junk" as suggested above, or simply drag the HDToolbox icon to Ram Disk and run it from there.
Also you should keep all your floppy disks (a.k.a. ADFs) write protected!! There will come other obstacles later in the installation process where it tries to write to the floppy disks if you let it and will render them useless. The installation does not need to write to the floppies at any time. If it tells you to remove the protection, then you did something wrong.
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WOW dragging it to the Ram drive worked!! OMG!!
No I need to patition the drive 2 parts, do I do a low level format first?
1. Boot
2. Games
any guides on that please
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WOW dragging it to the Ram drive worked!! OMG!!
No I need to patition the drive 2 parts, do I do a low level format first?
1. Boot
2. Games
any guides on that please
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Boot or better called Workbench, between 500MB and 1GB is more than enough, use the remaining space for Games.
Couple of pointers on when starting with Winuae:
- Always use a HDF file to start with, not ADF floppies!
- You can also make a copy of the HDF from like Classic WB, then format it within WinUAE and then setup a normal 3.1 installation using F12 and inserting adf's in DF0
- The best config is 030/040 setup with 2MB chip / 128MB 32BitChip / 512MB Z3Fast
- Speed; not standard A1200, use custom and type 90
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You don't need to do a Low-Level Format, a Quick Format should be fine. Once you have made those partitions (best to call the devices HD0 and HD1 or DH0 and DH1) save the changes to the drive and reboot. The drives should show up on the Workbench desktop but still need to be formatted. Simply click on the icon once, select Format Disk... from the Icons menu, name them "Workbench" and "Games" and click on Quick Format. You don't really need a Trashcan, but if you want I guess you could have one in the Workbench drive.
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Im excited!!
I now have this...
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How do it I copy over the Workbench files to make it boot into Workbench in the real amiga when I dont have a disk in the drive.
P.S thanks guys for all your help
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Did you miss Cammy's post?
Please do not call partitions WORKBENCH and GAMES. AmigaDOS will become confused if you do.
Each partition has two names: the device name (similar to the drive letter in Windows) and the volume name (the name you give when you format the partition). The device name is given in HDToolbox. Use DH0 and DH1 for your two partitions. Then you will see DH0:NDOS and DH1:NDOS on the Workbench screen.
NDOS means "not a dos disk" and tells you that these yet need to be formatted before they can be used. Select one at a time and choose "Format disk" from the menu. Now give it a volume name (Workbench or Games respecively) and click on "Quick format".
After that you can open the Install drawer on the Install3.1 disk and double click on your preferred language in order to install Workbench to the harddrive. When asked for your skill, do *not* select novice mode.
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Did you miss Cammy's post?
Please do not call partitions WORKBENCH and GAMES. AmigaDOS will become confused if you do.
Each partition has two names: the device name (similar to the drive letter in Windows) and the volume name (the name you give when you format the partition). The device name is given in HDToolbox. Use DH0 and DH1 for your two partitions. Then you will see DH0:NDOS and DH1:NDOS on the Workbench screen.
NDOS means "not a dos disk" and tells you that these yet need to be formatted before they can be used. Select one at a time and choose "Format disk" from the menu. Now give it a volume name (Workbench or Games respecively) and click on "Quick format".
After that you can open the Install drawer on the Install3.1 disk and double click on your preferred language in order to install Workbench to the harddrive. When asked for your skill, do *not* select novice mode.
Like Thomas said, the drives need to be DH0 and DH1, once you format them, you can give them names like Workbench and Games.
Then start the install and do it on expert level.
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I am getting there...
I cant format the Empty folder, when I right click, FORMAT, nothing happens
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Any ideas then why I cant format the Empty HDD Partition, it says its "not a valid DOS disk"
Thanks
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You don't have enough RAM. It cannot build the bitmap for such a large partition with just 300 KB free memory.
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I bumped up the ram in WINUAE and it formatted fine - THANKS!!
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You didn't need to format it again. It was already formatted, only the bitmap was not valid. It validated the bitmap automatically on reboot when enough RAM was available.
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The next step is running games from the GAMES HDD.
How do I install/play WHD Games & how do I play ADF's?
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The next step is running games from the GAMES HDD.
How do I install/play WHD Games & how do I play ADF's?
ADFs are disk images. To play them on a real Amiga, you need to write them back to a floppy on an Amiga.. Using transadf or some similar tool..
For WHDLoad, the easiest way is to install whdload first (obviously) and then find the premade whload games. Transfer them over to the Amiga HD and extract them...
Then, all you do is click on the icon and the game starts...
desiv
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Any guides on installing WHDLoad - I do have a Pcmcia Transfer card if that helps
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Do you have the software installed to use the PCMCIA card reader? If not, you will need to download this software and transfer it to your Amiga either by putting the CF card back in the PC or by using a 720kb PC formatted floppy disk.
First you'll need LHA, the most popular archive format on the Amiga.
http://aminet.net/package/util/arc/lha
This is a self-extracting archive, it will give you a few different versions of LHA. Since you're using an A600, you'll need to rename the 68k version to just "LHA" and copy it to your C drawer in the Workbench boot partition. But that's just the first step, then you need to get the latest version of LHA and extract that with the version you just installed! Get it here:
http://aminet.net/package/util/arc/lha_68k
Double click on this file once it's on your Amiga, and it should open an "Execute Command" prompt with "lha_68k" in it. You need to change it so it says "lha x lha_68k Games:" and it should extract it to your Games: partition, then you just do the same, rename the 68k version to just "LHA" and drop it in the C drawer, overwriting the original. Then you can delete all those temporary files.
If you can't ever see files, you might need to select "Show - All Files" from the Window menu.
For your PCMCIA adapter, you need these files:
http://aminet.net/package/disk/misc/cfd
http://aminet.net/package/disk/misc/fat95
http://aminet.net/package/util/boot/CardReset
http://aminet.net/package/util/boot/CardPatch
Each one should include documentation on how to install.
Now you can extract WHDLoad, which you can download from here:
http://whdload.de
There is an installer included, so you can just run that. If you don't have the Installer tool installed, you will have to get it off of the Workbench Install disk, from the C drawer, and copy it into your Workbench partition's C drawer.
Documentation for WHDLoad is on the website, including brief installation instructions:
http://whdload.de/docs/en/install.html
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Do you have the software installed to use the PCMCIA card reader? IT CAME WITH A FLOPPY BUT THE FILES SAY ERROR WHEN I TRY & RUN THEM.
If not, you will need to download this software and transfer it to your Amiga either by putting the CF card back in the PC. THE CF IN THE PCMCIA OR THE HARD DRIVE INSIDE?
First you'll need LHA, the most popular archive format on the Amiga. I HAVE DOWNLOADED THIS BUT DO I RUN IT IN WINUAE?
Can you break it down a little simpler - I am a total noob in case you have not noticed LOL
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Sorry Cammy but that seems well difficult as I am a total novice, and I am a totally lost. (I thought I did well installing the WB)
Is there not a step by step guide or a youtube video on this?
I looked on youtube but I couldnt find anything as that would be easier, maybe someone can make one?
Thanks guys
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Just a quick check : You have a CF Card HD with a Games partition and you want to copy games onto your partition?
It looks like you are used to doing the WinUAE shuffle so you can just install WHDload and copy your fav Amiga 600 compatible game ADFs onto the A600 CF drive while on your WinUAE PC.
To play the ADFs native you need to either write them to a Amiga floppy from your A600 with ADF2DISK as Desiv suggested, or you can play around with DiskImage 2 to create virtual floppies.
Suggest you get WHDLoad working in WinUAE first before moving your CF back to the A600 hardware.
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Hi gertsy,
Yer I have a CF Card HD with a GAMES partition that I wanna copy the games to.
I have WHDLoad working on my PC using the Gamebase frontend. I just click the game I wanna play & WinUAE fires up and loads the game.
I am thinking if I sellect a game using Gamebase, interupt it (F12) add my CF and boot into Workbench, will the game be still there and I can copy the files to me GAMES partition?
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I have done what I said above using WinUAE & attaching my CF HD from my Amiga back to my PC and I have come up with this...
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If I double click the install I get this message.
Am I way off.
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installer (http://aminet.net/util/misc/Installer-43_3.lha)
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How do I run that installer then?
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i just put it in sys:c, which in your case would be named workbench:c
*edit*
also look at classicwb if you want a ready made system that has whdload already installed, you would just need to add rom files and your whdload key
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WOW managed to install ClassicWB following this guide
http://classicwb.abime.net/classicweb/instructions.htm
I installed it to my CF and stuck it back in my Amiga. I get an error message when the WB has loaded which I ignore then the ClassicWB starts.
There is no games in the Games folder or demos in the Demos folder, just gotta sort that out now
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*Update
Hi All,
Been messing around with classicWB and I think I got the hang of it & installed all the classics I wanna play.
The problem I have now is I never knew most/all the games require more RAM. So I need to get some more RAM :-(.
The other problem I have is where do I put the key for WHDLoad so I dont have to wait for the blar blar to finish.
Thanks again people
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I put the key in devs:
also i think you may want this (http://amigakit.leamancomputing.com/catalog/product_info.php?manufacturers_id=18&products_id=1003)
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I have spent ALL weekend sorting out this CF, installing CWB, Installing all the WHDLoad games and I cant play any of them as I dont have enough memory :-(
Also I cant believe how much extra memory costs (if you can find it)
All I really wanted to do was run a couple games from my internal drive. Is there not a cheap option. Like just running a Floppy disk from the internal HDD?
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If you have a floppy drive you can convert ADF files to floppy using the adf2disk utility from the cli:
You need to have adf2disk in c: (http://aminet.net/search?query=adf2disk)
Actually the easiest way is from Workbench. Put in a blank floppy (With HD tab covered if its a HD Disk) double click on the ADF file you want and in the "execute command" field insert the word "adf2disk " with the space in front of the filename.adf. Press enter and adf2disk should start writing to your floppy.
Boot the A600 with the floppy in place. Fun time.
If you want to run Diskimage DI2 you will probably have the same memory issue as you need to do it from Workbench.
http://aminet.net/package/disk/misc/diskimage
Sorry. i think I led you astray. A 68020 is recommended. AKA minimum A1200...
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I'm sorry I didn't get back to you sooner with instructions on installing that stuff, I guess if it's easier for you to use WinUAE it's probably best to set everything up with the internal CF card on that first, then move the card to the real Amiga. This includes installing the drivers, then you won't need to transfer them over on a floppy disk or something. Once the drivers for the PCMCIA card reader and FAT filesystem are installed on the internal CF card, as well as the card patches, you should be able to read cards in the PCMCIA card reader as well. These only need to be formatted in the standard PC FAT16/32 format and don't need to be prepared as special Amiga partitions like the internal CF card.
Other expansion options for the A600 include 1MB ChipRAM modules, 1-4MB PCMCIA SRAM cads, and home-made 8MB "A608" cards which latch onto the CPU like a parasite (the same as the ACA630 accelerators). There is also at least one current project to make a very inexpensive 020 accelerator with only 2MB extra RAM, which coupled with a full 2MB of ChipRAM is enough for many games and programs. I have been using a 4MB A600 for a while now, and it's a pretty nice WHDLoad system. I now have an ACA630 in it, so it has 66MB RAM all up, but I have moved my 2MB PCMCIA SRAM card to my other A600, so I've been testing several games and programs on this 3MB A600 and many work too. I was playing Theme Park on it for hours the other day.
But for sure, I think you need to upgrade the A600 just a little bit. As well as RAM, I'd recommend a Kickstart 3.1 ROM or perhaps a ROM Switcher with 1.3 and 3.1 ROMs, for good backwards compatibility with old floppy disk games as well as the latest OS for Workbench. You could also get a Scart cable or a S-Video adapter so you can use a LCD TV with a nice, crisp display.
Also, I think it might help people deciding to help you out if you put your location in your profile. Sometimes if someone lives close enough, they may offer to help out in person or mail you a disk or CF card to help out.
Here are some links to some useful expansions for your A600:
A603 1MB ChipRAM/Real-Time Clock/Clockport - http://www.ggsdata.se/Datorer/a603chipram.php
2MB PCMCIA SRAM - http://cgi.ebay.com/Mitsubishi-Melcard-SRAM-PCMCIA-Card-2MB-MF32M1-LCDAT01-/120651002669?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1c175c332d#ht_923wt_907
2MB PCMCIA SRAM - http://cgi.ebay.com/Epson-SRAM-CARD-2M-Seiko-/260748576800?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3cb5d38820#ht_1129wt_1141
And here's a video of the Furia628 020+2MB accelerator:
[YOUTUBE]133_FcrqZDM[/YOUTUBE]
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I'm sorry I didn't get back to you sooner with instructions on installing that stuff, I guess if it's easier for you to use WinUAE it's probably best to set everything up with the internal CF card on that first, then move the card to the real Amiga. This includes installing the drivers, then you won't need to transfer them over on a floppy disk or something. Once the drivers for the PCMCIA card reader and FAT filesystem are installed on the internal CF card, as well as the card patches, you should be able to read cards in the PCMCIA card reader as well. These only need to be formatted in the standard PC FAT16/32 format and don't need to be prepared as special Amiga partitions like the internal CF card.
Other expansion options for the A600 include 1MB ChipRAM modules, 1-4MB PCMCIA SRAM cads, and home-made 8MB "A608" cards which latch onto the CPU like a parasite (the same as the ACA630 accelerators). There is also at least one current project to make a very inexpensive 020 accelerator with only 2MB extra RAM, which coupled with a full 2MB of ChipRAM is enough for many games and programs. I have been using a 4MB A600 for a while now, and it's a pretty nice WHDLoad system. I now have an ACA630 in it, so it has 66MB RAM all up, but I have moved my 2MB PCMCIA SRAM card to my other A600, so I've been testing several games and programs on this 3MB A600 and many work too. I was playing Theme Park on it for hours the other day.
But for sure, I think you need to upgrade the A600 just a little bit. As well as RAM, I'd recommend a Kickstart 3.1 ROM or perhaps a ROM Switcher with 1.3 and 3.1 ROMs, for good backwards compatibility with old floppy disk games as well as the latest OS for Workbench. You could also get a Scart cable or a S-Video adapter so you can use a LCD TV with a nice, crisp display.
Also, I think it might help people deciding to help you out if you put your location in your profile. Sometimes if someone lives close enough, they may offer to help out in person or mail you a disk or CF card to help out.
Here are some links to some useful expansions for your A600:
A603 1MB ChipRAM/Real-Time Clock/Clockport - http://www.ggsdata.se/Datorer/a603chipram.php
2MB PCMCIA SRAM - http://cgi.ebay.com/Epson-SRAM-CARD-2M-Seiko-/260748576800?#ht_1129wt_1141
2MB PCMCIA SRAM - http://cgi.ebay.com/Mitsubishi-Melcard-SRAM-PCMCIA-Card-2MB-MF32M1-LCDAT01-/120651002669#ht_923wt_907
Kickstart ROM Switcher - http://amigamaniac.com/ksrs.html
RGB - S-Video Adapter - http://amigamaniac.com/RGB_to_PAL_NTSC_adapter.html
RGB - Scart Cable - http://www.vesalia.de/e_amigamonitorcables[311].htm
And here's a video of the Furia628 020+2MB accelerator:
[YOUTUBE]133_FcrqZDM[/YOUTUBE]
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I decided I gonna pick up a A1200 - this will resolve all my problems y/n
I can just put the CF card I have setup from the A600 & put it in the A1200 in that & play the WHDLoad games y/n
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Got my A1200!!!
All excited - opened it up, took out the HDD, installed my CF card. Fired up the ClassicWB, click on a WHDLoad game.
None of them worked :-(
It says "cant allocate shadowmem" what does that mean now?
Is ClassicWB taking up to much memory and I should go back to the original?