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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Marketplace => Topic started by: commodorejohn on March 22, 2011, 10:17:52 PM
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As the title says: I'm thinking of trading in my Amiga 2000 for a 3000 (save some space, move to a fully 32-bit system, yay.) I'm not really looking for a huge power-user setup:
- I do want a few MB of fast RAM - doesn't matter too much whether it's on a card or on the motherboard (is one significantly faster?)
- No hard drive needed, as I'm planning to just drop my existing one right in. It'd be nice if it had two floppies installed.
- I do want it to be the 25MHz model instead of the 16MHz model, and have a Kickstart 3.1 ROM. Also, NTSC.
- Will my 2000 keyboard work with a 3000? If not, I'll definitely need a 3000 keyboard.
- I'm not looking for a monitor - I have a VGA display I can use and I don't want to pay for shipping on a monitor.
Being as I'm looking to replace one with the other, I'm open to trading for part or all of my 2000 setup, comprised of the following:
- 2500-badged Amiga 2000 (I think it's a Rev. 6 board,) one floppy drive.
- Commodore 1084S RGB/composite monitor with stereo sound.
- Commodore A2630 (http://amiga.resource.cx/exp/a2630) accelerator (68030 @ 25MHz,) with 2MB of 32-bit fast RAM.
- Intact but non-functional DKB 2632 (http://amiga.resource.cx/exp/dkb2632) add-on for the accelerator - I think I may have static-shocked it. If you can get it functional, it's loaded with 96MB of 32-bit RAM and can take another 16MB.
- GVP Impact A2000-HC+8 Series II (http://amiga.resource.cx/exp/impact2000hc8) SCSI controller + RAM expansion. Currently loaded with 6MB of RAM; I think I have spare SIMMs to get it up to 8MB.
- ASDG Lan Rover (http://amiga.resource.cx/exp/eb920) Ethernet card. I think I might like to keep this one, but I'm not averse to parting with it, either.
- Commodore A2088XT (http://amiga.resource.cx/exp/a2088xt) PC bridgeboard. Kind of a novelty item, but if you've ever desperately desired to have a PC-XT in your Amiga, there you go.
If none of that piques your interest, I'm also willing to pay cash and sell off the 2000 separately (and if you're just interested in the 2000 stuff and don't have a 3000, drop me a line and I'll get back to you when I'm ready to do the selling.) I'd be willing to pay around $100-150 US + S/H for the kind of basic 3000 setup I'm looking for. Anybody have one to spare?
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Perhaps he might be up for some negotiation?
http://cgi.ebay.com/Amiga-3000-Computer-Commodore-/280647897184?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4157eb1060#ht_500wt_1103
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Eh, looking at his other prices, I doubt it...
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Eh, looking at his other prices, I doubt it...
Thought it might be worth a shot since you lived in the same state and shipping would be reasonable.
BTW: I have relatives up in Angora... beautiful area!
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Thought it might be worth a shot since you lived in the same state and shipping would be reasonable.
BTW: I have relatives up in Angora... beautiful area!
Yeah, I had email correspondence with him earlier, so I dropped a line asking...guess we'll see.
(And yeah, northern MN is just beautiful country :) I prefer the Lake Superior area to the Iron Range, but it's all good.)
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Don't get any A3000 until you know if the battery has leaked. I would ask the seller to check the battery and get back with you.
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I suggest you talk to Amigadave. He is selling his A3000T.
http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=57007
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Thanks for the tip, but I'd actually rather have the desktop model - fits in better with my current arrangement.
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Of course, an A3000T doesn't really qualify as 'saving space'.
Geof
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I have a desktop A3000 I'm willing to part with. I live in California so someone in the US would be good to keep shipping prices reasonable. It has a GVP 28Mhz 68040 processor accellator with 8M of RAM, plus more ram on the motherboard (can't remember how much off hand and I'm at work), along with the 2M chip RAM. Also includes a high density floppy. The battery started to go bad but I caught it before it did much damaged to the motherboard and wired in a new one. You can see pictures of it here:
http://home.comcast.net/~ktadd/site/?/photos/
If you're intrested PM me and let me know that kind of price range you are thinking.
I also have other add-on's like an external CDWR drive, PicassoIV board, serial/parallel board, etc. available.
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My A3000 is gathering dust on a shelf after I went back to my A2000 which must be the only damn non-Tower miggy you can expand properly in its original case. Unless you have a burning desire for Zorro 3 slots, stick with the A2000.
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Eh, expansion's not really that important to me - a decent accelerator, RAM, and a hard drive are all I really need.
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As the title says: I'm thinking of trading in my Amiga 2000 for a 3000 (save some space, move to a fully 32-bit system, yay.) I'm not really looking for a huge power-user setup:
- I do want a few MB of fast RAM - doesn't matter too much whether it's on a card or on the motherboard (is one significantly faster?)
- No hard drive needed, as I'm planning to just drop my existing one right in. It'd be nice if it had two floppies installed.
- I do want it to be the 25MHz model instead of the 16MHz model, and have a Kickstart 3.1 ROM. Also, NTSC.
- Will my 2000 keyboard work with a 3000? If not, I'll definitely need a 3000 keyboard.
- I'm not looking for a monitor - I have a VGA display I can use and I don't want to pay for shipping on a monitor.
Being as I'm looking to replace one with the other, I'm open to trading for part or all of my 2000 setup, comprised of the following:
- 2500-badged Amiga 2000 (I think it's a Rev. 6 board,) one floppy drive.
- Commodore 1084S RGB/composite monitor with stereo sound.
- Commodore A2630 (http://amiga.resource.cx/exp/a2630) accelerator (68030 @ 25MHz,) with 2MB of 32-bit fast RAM.
- Intact but non-functional DKB 2632 (http://amiga.resource.cx/exp/dkb2632) add-on for the accelerator - I think I may have static-shocked it. If you can get it functional, it's loaded with 96MB of 32-bit RAM and can take another 16MB.
- GVP Impact A2000-HC+8 Series II (http://amiga.resource.cx/exp/impact2000hc8) SCSI controller + RAM expansion. Currently loaded with 6MB of RAM; I think I have spare SIMMs to get it up to 8MB.
- ASDG Lan Rover (http://amiga.resource.cx/exp/eb920) Ethernet card. I think I might like to keep this one, but I'm not averse to parting with it, either.
- Commodore A2088XT (http://amiga.resource.cx/exp/a2088xt) PC bridgeboard. Kind of a novelty item, but if you've ever desperately desired to have a PC-XT in your Amiga, there you go.
If none of that piques your interest, I'm also willing to pay cash and sell off the 2000 separately (and if you're just interested in the 2000 stuff and don't have a 3000, drop me a line and I'll get back to you when I'm ready to do the selling.) I'd be willing to pay around $100-150 US + S/H for the kind of basic 3000 setup I'm looking for. Anybody have one to spare?
Darren has a point. You can mount a CDrom drive right in the case. Given your modest ambition for a 3000, adding an Indivision to your 2000 would get you in the same ball park. Adding a Picasso II to a 2000 would open another world. Another DKB2632 should not be that hard to find, you already have the ram chips.
A 3000 might have a modest speed boost with a full 32-bit bus. It can take a lot of ram without further acceleration. It can use the 2000 keyboard
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My A3000 is gathering dust on a shelf after I went back to my A2000 which must be the only damn non-Tower miggy you can expand properly in its original case. Unless you have a burning desire for Zorro 3 slots, stick with the A2000.
I know it has been written a thousand times already, but I must agree. The amount of improvement between an A2000 and the A3000 was very disappointing for almost all Amiga buyers when the A3000 was first released. I like the A3000, but it was clear that Commodore was failing miserably in developing the Amiga (as well as marketing it) when the A3000 was released and there had been almost no improvement in the Amiga custom chipset over the A500/A2000 and then an even bigger disappointment was in store for us when the A4000 was released with no flicker fixer, no SCSI controller, slow IDE and RAM access speed and AGA was behind VGA cards that were available at the same time.
Unless you need Zorro3 for something, or if you don't have a decent video card and accelerator for your A2000, don't switch. Just re-read and saw your A2000 specs and what you want from an A3000. Don't switch!
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I'll throw my 2 cents at you as well...
Accelerated 2k to stock 3k, will not light your pants on fire by any means.
If you add video and acceleration to a 3k, buy a new set of pants. The difference will burn them right off. Z3 and the faster bus give huge performance gains over a similar built 2k. I ran similar systems (3k with 40mhz 040 and retina z3 and 2k 040@40mhz and retina z2) side by side and the 2k was way slower.
The other item is a taste thing, many believe the 3k was the best built Amiga. Certainly a 3000+ would have filled everyone's dreams of what the 3k should have been. But if you think the 3k would be fun and can pick it up on the cheap. It might be fun to play with, go for it.
The battery issue on a 3k isn't always an issue. I replaced batteries on 3 different 3k's all with major leakage. I cleaned the acid and mounted a new battery and they worked great. So if they boot with a leaking battery I wouldn't run away from it.
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Unless you need Zorro3 for something, or if you don't have a decent video card and accelerator for your A2000, don't switch. Just re-read and saw your A2000 specs and what you want from an A3000. Don't switch!
Yep, my thoughts exactly.
My A3000 and A4000 are both 68040 machines, both ECS, both run Workbench 3.x. The only difference is the Zorro slots and the room inside the cases.
I have a Cybervision 643D in my A2000 which gives me a Workbench way better than AGA could provide, I have an "Amber" SDFF (It uses the same Amber chip found in the A3000 - an Indivision would be even better), I have a Buddha IDE card installed allowing 4 IDE devices (currently it boots from a CF card reader and runs the DVD ROM drive) and I have a SCSI hard drive attached to the CPU card.
The only thing worth adding would be a Deneb (it is in my A4000).
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If you add video and acceleration to a 3k, buy a new set of pants. The difference will burn them right off. Z3 and the faster bus give huge performance gains over a similar built 2k. I ran similar systems (3k with 40mhz 040 and retina z3 and 2k 040@40mhz and retina z2) side by side and the 2k was WAY WAY WAY slower.
To be fair, for typical usage, I couldn't tell the difference between the Cybervision fitted in my A2000 or A3000. Likewise, unless you're passing huge files across the Zorro 3 bus using DMA then don't expect any "wow factor".
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Thank you all for the input, but I think I'll stick with my plan. I'm not under the illusion that it's a hugely more advanced machine than the 2000, but it has two things I really want: a built-in flicker-fixer, and a smaller-profile case. I like my 2000, but it's a beast, even by '80s desktop standards, and the fact that it needs its own separate monitor just adds to that. The 3000 isn't exactly tiny either, but in my setup I'd really rather just have a smaller machine, and then I can share a VGA monitor with my PC.
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To be fair, for typical usage, I couldn't tell the difference between the Cybervision fitted in my A2000 or A3000. Likewise, unless you're passing huge files across the Zorro 3 bus using DMA then don't expect any "wow factor".
Hmmm. It may have been the z3 retina being so much faster than the z2 one. The usage was very noticeable in my tests, particularly in screen refresh and IO. Your use with the same video card would be more accurate, than mine. Thanks for the clarification...
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Thank you all for the input, but I think I'll stick with my plan. I'm not under the illusion that it's a hugely more advanced machine than the 2000, but it has two things I really want: a built-in flicker-fixer, and a smaller-profile case. I like my 2000, but it's a beast, even by '80s desktop standards, and the fact that it needs its own separate monitor just adds to that. The 3000 isn't exactly tiny either, but in my setup I'd really rather just have a smaller machine, and then I can share a VGA monitor with my PC.
Now if you said you wanted a smaller case in the first place then I'd never have posted. :D
The A2000 is a fricking tank! LOL
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Hmmm. It may have been the z3 retina being so much faster than the z2 one. The usage was very noticeable in my tests, particularly in screen refresh and IO. Your use with the same video card would be more accurate, than mine. Thanks for the clarification...
Mind you, you got to test them side-by-side you you would have seen the differences (speed) more easily.
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Mind you, you got to test them side-by-side you you would have seen the differences (speed) more easily.
I don't remember the stats but a friend mentioned that the Retina Z3 BLT was way faster than Retina Z2. The IO would be attributed to the NCR II SCSI on the Warp Engine and only having memory on the WE. The Z2 bus for SCSI vs the CPU Bus accounted for the speed.
Probably safe to say we both had valid points :)..
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Thank you all for the input, but I think I'll stick with my plan. I'm not under the illusion that it's a hugely more advanced machine than the 2000, but it has two things I really want: a built-in flicker-fixer, and a smaller-profile case. I like my 2000, but it's a beast, even by '80s desktop standards, and the fact that it needs its own separate monitor just adds to that. The 3000 isn't exactly tiny either, but in my setup I'd really rather just have a smaller machine, and then I can share a VGA monitor with my PC.
Good luck John,
I hope you enjoy all the fun of playing with the 3k. It has been my machine of choice for years.
If you can't locate a 3k let me know. I may be able to find a stock one for you. It is a smaller case, but it is VERY heavy. Shipping might get expensive, might be worth local pickup.
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Well, I've actually got one lined up now, but thank you.
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I know it has been written a thousand times already, but I must agree. The amount of improvement between an A2000 and the A3000 was very disappointing for almost all Amiga buyers when the A3000 was first released. I like the A3000, but it was clear that Commodore was failing miserably in developing the Amiga (as well as marketing it) when the A3000 was released and there had been almost no improvement in the Amiga custom chipset over the A500/A2000 and then an even bigger disappointment was in store for us when the A4000 was released with no flicker fixer, no SCSI controller, slow IDE and RAM access speed and AGA was behind VGA cards that were available at the same time.
Unless you need Zorro3 for something, or if you don't have a decent video card and accelerator for your A2000, don't switch. Just re-read and saw your A2000 specs and what you want from an A3000. Don't switch!
Well it depends on what you want to do.. Vlab Motion+Toccata+Retina Z3..um then the A3000 is a pretty good choice. :-)..
yeah tis a shame what the big wigs did to Commodore.. mm where would it be today..
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two things I really want: a built-in flicker-fixer, and a smaller-profile case. ---- and then I can share a VGA monitor with my PC.
I had tried having my A3000/PII and homebuilt Athlon on a single monitor via a switch box, however the monitor display became degraded to the point of unusable annoyance. That and a few to many electrical plugs in one wall socket. Could have been grounding issues.
I'd say, if ya want to share monitors betweeen the two systems, use UAE. It's not the same as original hardware, but saves quite a bit of "space".
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Nah, I'm a hardware guy all the way. Emulators are great and all, but I much prefer having the actual thing.
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there's an amiga 4000 desktop that's had the battery replaced already at
http://cgi.ebay.com/Amiga-4000-System-/110666503819
(not mine), its listed at $120 atm with 1 bid