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The "Not Quite Amiga but still computer related category" => Alternative Operating Systems => Topic started by: trekiej on March 21, 2011, 07:59:41 PM
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I have been using 10.10 for a little while. I like it. I seems to be pretty smooth. I have an A.M.D. 4 core c.p.u. and 4 Gigs of ram. Unfortunately I have built in H.D. 4290 graphics.
I sort of ditched Vista 32 for a while. I think my p.s. is going bad. I disconnected my internal drives for a while. I ran off of Puppy Linux for a while. The video and mouse would go off for no reason.
I hooked my internal 160 gb drive back up and am still using Ubuntu.
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yea ubuntu blows vista away... i have xp pro, vista ultimate,and ubunto on my piv box and always use ubuntu unless i need some special windows crap
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I have a logic analyzer that needs win. If it was not for it, I would not need it.
What I do have a problem with is, I have trouble finding apps on Linux and at times installing apps.
Linux is rock solid.
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Yeah, I us Ubuntu 10.10 a good bit myself too. However, there are some things which are either possible only on Windows (e.g. running certain software), or things that are possible under Linux but aren't worth all the extra hassle (e.g. colour profiling and matching of printers, scanners and monitors). So Windows is staying in my life for the foreseeable future as a tool...
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I have a logic analyzer that needs win. If it was not for it, I would not need it.
What I do have a problem with is, I have trouble finding apps on Linux and at times installing apps.
If you don't like the shell and you don't like the "ubuntu software centre" thing (can't say I am overly fussed with it myself), there's always synaptic as a GUI alternative to apt.
Regarding your Windows apps, have you checked to see if your logic analyser's installer package can be invoked under Wine? I've successfully installed a few Win32 applications in Ubuntu (64-bit). I've even had some applications just run (albeit with default settings) without installing, when I mounted my Windows partitions and had a mess about. You might be surprised, Wine is getting pretty good these days (see: http://extropia.co.uk/img/penguin.jpg - "debris" is one of Farbrausch's tiny Windows demos).
Of course, the nuclear option, particularly if you have a multiple-core machine is just to run a cut down Windows install in a virtual machine hosted on Linux if you really need to.
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trekiej
Have you tried running the analyzer in Linux with WINE? Google sketch up works nicely with wine :)
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It does say some have used it with the Mac with VMware Fusion. I assume with windows.
I have not tried with Wine yet.
How well does Windows work on top of Linux?
I have an MSO-19 from Link Instruments.
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I ran Blender 2.56 Beta and it runs. I did not put it through its paces yet.
I would like to do these things.
1. Video Switching
2. Chroma Keying
3. Character Generation
4. Animation
5. Image Manipulation.
This is would be like a Toaster Package but for Ubuntu.
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I may look into making a pci and/or pci-e proto-board to do some research.
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OpenShot works with Blender
http://www.openshotvideo.com/
personally I have only used OpenShot on my Ubuntu 10.04, but eventually will get Blender and try out some new features. It has great potential so far......
forums
http://openshotusers.com/forum/index.php
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I have a logic analyzer that needs win. If it was not for it, I would not need it.
What I do have a problem with is, I have trouble finding apps on Linux and at times installing apps.
Linux is rock solid.
Id say stick with apt / synaptic / software center until you get a good handle on things.
I've installed a fair share of random distribution neutral stuff (mostly games) and can't say Ive had too much trouble. Most things just seem to work.
Let us know if there's specific things you have trouble with :)
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personally I have only used OpenShot on my Ubuntu 10.04, but eventually will get Blender and try out some new features. It has great potential so far.....
Let me guess, you were using 8.04 before? Or is it just me that uses the LTS releases for the long haul?
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Personally, I've been running Ubuntu alongside MorphOS on a PPC Mac for some time now. Works great. More than fast enough and better looking than OSX.
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Let me guess, you were using 8.04 before? Or is it just me that uses the LTS releases for the long haul?
/me raises hand
My main workstation stays on the LTS releases.
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Linux is fine for bread an butter ie web/comms/ and office for an average user.
If you dabble in 2D photo manipulation, 3D, video editing, well, on Linux that can be a painful experience. And games..
If what you want is Ubuntu's software centre, installation is fine. If not, its a pain. Eg I muck about with emulation SNES, N64. Even Instaling the latest versions that aren't in the Ubuntu software centre is a pain in the arse, compared with the Win versions.
Stability wise, XP Pro rarely crashed, Vista hasn't-at all- and neither has my Win 7 laptop. It hasn't been my experience that Win is any less stable than Ubuntu.
As for security, I'm not convinced that Ubuntu is any more secure per se, just that less time and man hours is devoted to exploiting its holes. And there must be holes, else why are the security updates being released periodically for it?
I don't particularly like the Ubuntu (Gnome and KDE 4) look and feel either, and I don't think its as fast and efficient as its claimed. I think its the Windows of the Linux world; people use it because other people use it.
And i hate the "re-install after 18 months" release cycle, or go to LTS and possibly end up with a POS like 10.04 where i couldn't even get a mobile modem to work, even though it was fine in 9.04.
IMO MAndriva was the most polished Linux out there.
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/me raises hand
My main workstation stays on the LTS releases.
I only just updated to 10.04 a few weeks ago. It was getting bad when Nicholas was laughing at my "current" machine for "running a retro OS" :lol:
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Linux is fine for bread an butter ie web/comms/ and office for an average user.
so 99% of computer uses :)
Stability wise, XP Pro rarely crashed, Vista hasn't-at all- and neither has my Win 7 laptop. It hasn't been my experience that Win is any less stable than Ubuntu.
I think windows instability does get overstated. However, all I can point to is my personal experience. I spend basically zero time doing system maintenance other than installing the updates as they show up, and my system hasn't degraded despite being on basically constantly without reboots (other than kernel updates).
As for security, I'm not convinced that Ubuntu is any more secure per se, just that less time and man hours is devoted to exploiting its holes. And there must be holes, else why are the security updates being released periodically for it?
Its not a question of whether there's holes. Its a question of what they compromise. There's plenty of articles explaining this in more detail than is reasonable for a forum post.
I don't particularly like the Ubuntu (Gnome and KDE 4) look and feel either, and I don't think its as fast and efficient as its claimed. I think its the Windows of the Linux world; people use it because other people use it.
Side by side on identical hardware, I can verify it runs far better than win 7 on my buddys netbook, and versus vista on my desktop. Obviously you can do faster and slicker elsewhere.
As far as the look, change it. Desktop environments can be exchanged. Try XFCE or fluxbox or ..or..or.
Its nice to have choices :)
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Linux is fine for bread an butter ie web/comms/ and office for an average user.
If you dabble in 2D photo manipulation, 3D, video editing, well, on Linux that can be a painful experience. And games..
It depends. You can run a fair wedge of software designed for Windows via Wine these days.
If what you want is Ubuntu's software centre, installation is fine. If not, its a pain. Eg I muck about with emulation SNES, N64. Even Instaling the latest versions that aren't in the Ubuntu software centre is a pain in the arse, compared with the Win versions.
If you want up to date releases, you could download the source and compile it yourself. Generally only stuff that has been found to be reasonably stable will make its way into regular repositories.
Stability wise, XP Pro rarely crashed, Vista hasn't-at all- and neither has my Win 7 laptop. It hasn't been my experience that Win is any less stable than Ubuntu.
Yeah, as long as you look after it, any reasonably modern OS tends to be fine in that regard. In my experience, most people have problems with Windows due to naivety.
As for security, I'm not convinced that Ubuntu is any more secure per se, just that less time and man hours is devoted to exploiting its holes.
Actually, exploiting most linux systems is fairly easy, provided you are sat at the machine. What sets it apart from Windows is that it's a lot harder to exploit remotely, and that's the type of exploit most users will unfortunately be exposed to at some time.
And there must be holes, else why are the security updates being released periodically for it?
The sort of vulnerabilities that are routinely found and fixed tend to be things like potential buffer overflow exploits. Sometimes the context in which the vulnerable code is called actually renders the vulnerability "unreachable" from where it is ultimately invoked since some sanity checking further up the chain blocks it, but regardless of whether or not it can be reached, if spotted it will be fixed and find it's way into a security update. This is basically one side effect of having a transparent development process.
I don't particularly like the Ubuntu (Gnome and KDE 4) look and feel either, and I don't think its as fast and efficient as its claimed. I think its the Windows of the Linux world; people use it because other people use it.
I wouldn't say it was that per se, but it has certainly gained a reputation for comparative ease of use. In itself is debatable, but there is now such a large community of users that whenever you do find a problem any google search will usually return a ubuntu specific discussion.
And i hate the "re-install after 18 months" release cycle, or go to LTS and possibly end up with a POS like 10.04 where i couldn't even get a mobile modem to work, even though it was fine in 9.04.
IMO MAndriva was the most polished Linux out there.
My recent 8.04 to 10.04 distribution upgrade was truly shocking, to be honest. Shocking that it went so well, that is. I was expecting a lot of pain, but the truth is, the biggest nuisance was the time it took to download the various updates/replacements for the 1400 odd packages I've accrued over time.
Anyhow, I suspect you aren't about to try it, but you might find Mint a better distribution for your hardware. It's an ubuntu derivative with a bit more emphasis on including more drivers and various proprietary components (that may be a better fit for any given bit of hardware) out of the box.
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I also like Slackware and Redhat. Fatdog64 runs fine too.
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http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/
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I LOVE Ubuntu...I use it on both my laptops.
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Personally, I go with Xubuntu over Ubuntu if for no other reason than it doesn't include that MONO library by default. XFCE also seems to be more stable than Gnome Desktop as a result.
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I just used openshot and it seems fine.
I installed it from the software center.
This may be of interest.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_video_editing_software
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always wanted to try slackware or gentoo. Be all "hardcore" :)
I just installed Kubuntu 10.10 and am loving KDE so far. Its weird, because in the past I didn't. For some reason, its just clicking now
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What is a good vm for running vista/xp?
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Personally, I've been running Ubuntu alongside MorphOS on a PPC Mac for some time now. Works great. More than fast enough and better looking than OSX.
I am getting ready to set up a new hard drive with a triple boot of MorphOS2.7, MacOSX 10.5.8, and Ubuntu 10.10 PPC (or another flavor of Linux if someone can convince me of the advantages of any other Linux distribution over the Ubuntu 10.10 distro).
Can you suggest which method of installation works best to achieve the above, I mean which OS should I install first, which one second and which last? The hard drive I am putting these on is 320gb in size and I would like to load up a lot of movies & music on it that I can access from all three OSes without having to have duplicate movie & music files on every partition, so I would also like partitioning and partition formatting suggestions. I have paid for the keyfile for the Ice File System and also own PSF3 commercial, but do not have to use either of them if they are not suggested.
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What is a good vm for running vista/xp?
The only one Ive used was virtualbox which is really easy to set up, but can be a bit dodgy for 3D stuff. Its been a while though, and its free to check out.
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@runequester
Thanks,I have used it a while back. It was on Win7 and not Linux.
I got vbox installed. I will install vista later.
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Has anyone used firewire on Ubuntu 10.10?
If so, how do you think a prosumer camera would fair?
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What is a good vm for running vista/xp?
VMware player is nice, especially with "unity mode" (shared clipboard and such).
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@Nicholas:
I have the lfs book. I have not gotten around to put it to good use.
There are plenty of distros, maybe too much to choose from.
@amigadave:
You may have to experiment.
@thread:
I am writing this from Icaros Light 1.2.6. on Ubuntu 10.10 with VirtualBox from the software installer. It runs the Icaros Light iso pretty well.
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I just installed it to a 10 gig virtual file system and it went well .
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trekiej
Have you tried running the analyzer in Linux with WINE? Google sketch up works nicely with wine :)
but there is no wine for ppc linux, is it?
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trekiej
FW cam would be perfectly fine on linux... very good firewire drivers..
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@mt12345
I have no idea if there is a version of Wine for PPC.
I assume it needs a x86 cpu.
@magnetic
Thanks. I would like to see what it is like to set a video studio.
Being able to switch cameras in FW sounds great.
I found a link in Wikipedia that compares video editing apps.
Blender and Kdenlive is seen as pro. software.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_video_editing_software
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@mt12345
I have no idea if there is a version of Wine for PPC.
I assume it needs a x86 cpu.
There's Darwine (Wine + QEMU, for OSX PPC), but it hasn't been updated in about 5 years:
http://darwine.sourceforge.net/faq.php
This page was updated in 2008, but I can't find anything more up to date than that:
http://wiki.winehq.org/MacOSX/QemuWork
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Darwine - tried couple of years ago. Did not worked. I forgot about it, thanks for the link.
Let me give it another try.
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Blender 2.57 Stable has been released.
I need to use this more often.
I have running on Virtual Box:
Icaros, Broadway, Vista32, Syllable, Debian 6.
OSX and Be-OS 5.0 Pro have to wait.
I use Diptrace on Vista32.
I have installed Wine but have not used it yet.
I would like to run Crysis on it.
I wish I had two ATI HD 5770 to try CrossfireX.
The only problem I see is when I down load something, the dialogue box has two bottoms.
I do not regret using Ubuntu 10.10. I am wanting to use Debian 6.
Later.
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I also have Boxee installed. It runs fine.
I went through the Boxee.tv web site.
I went to the "Other" selection.
XBMC needs a command line install.
I noticed some have Linux on notebooks.
How is Linux for notebooks?
I reinstalled Openshot. I have not gotten around to use though.
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More slightly related news.
http://bsdmag.org/
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Let me guess, you were using 8.04 before? Or is it just me that uses the LTS releases for the long haul?
Yeah its you :D
I'm waiting to see where the whole Unity thing goes, and since I really hate Gnome 3 and also Xubuntu, I'm back on Arch cos DWM + Arch = MAkes my P4 feel like an I7.
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I myself use debian. I find it to be less bloated and buggy than anything ubuntu releases. Plus, you don't have the upgrade cycles!! Ugh, I HATED that. I run debian testing, which is to say it is not unstable, but not so ancient like debian stable. I tried gentoo once, but I never got it to work, and to compile everything took hours!! It seemed to me that it wasn't worth it.
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Yeah its you :D
I'm waiting to see where the whole Unity thing goes, and since I really hate Gnome 3 and also Xubuntu, I'm back on Arch cos DWM + Arch = MAkes my P4 feel like an I7.
Ive been running KDE for a while now. I dont really hate on Unity like some of the guys out there, but KDE tickles me in all the secret spots :)
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writing this on Ubuntu 10.04 does me, XP only for things with "Drivers".
I haven't really found a reason to be entirely happy about about any os, I've found most crash eventually. Ubuntu usually crashes for something Java based, but that's also true for XP. XP is a such a bloat but everything as such works out of the box, Ubuntu works but for instance this laptop, I have had to rebuild the kernel just to get the wireless working, and again to get a usb sat receiver working and a 3rd time for another usb serial device. That required a lot of googling and to me, this still isnt ready for the main stream.
Another point...if rebuilding is the only option, it doesn't matter how many times, the kernel is never as stable as the generic that came with the install, and often the graphics goes potty or core dump occurs. they really need to find a way of getting away from rebuilding kernels, the computer must boot to x regardless of the users attempts to break it.
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Gonna install Ubuntu on my mom's Pentium 3 peecee, because Winblows XPee is probably too unsafe.
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Let me guess, you were using 8.04 before? Or is it just me that uses the LTS releases for the long haul?
I like LTS because I hate changing stuff.....this way I get a stable OS for years.
yes, I'm lazy.
I am using Ubuntu 98% of my computer time. It does everything I need to do.....only thing it can't run is AfterEffects.
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I also have Boxee installed. It runs fine.
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I noticed some have Linux on notebooks.
How is Linux for notebooks?
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Ubuntu 10.10 works fine on my old HP Omnibook 6100. PIII 1G.
When you can get it to start-up without powering the machine off, which is 80% of the time.
And trying to play music or DVDs while doing anything else is laughable.
It's also slow online.
The speed problem isn't the OS its the speed of the Browser and Flash within the browser.
If I install the original Win XP to SP1 and the original apps off the CD it does full screen video and plays DVDs fine. Try to get onto the "new" internet / Flash/ streaming video and It's slow again.
Of course it's nice and fast on Amiga.org.
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What do you use for a browser?
On my old PC with very little RAM (256 megs originally), I used Epiphany and it worked pretty good for internet stuffs.
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I ran Ubuntu 10.10 on Virtual Box and it had a driver issue. I ran it on hardware and had some visual distortion around some text.
I appears to be nice, but was not rated as high as others on some sites.
I have been running Ubuntu for weeks and a lot without rebooting.
I am impressed.
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What do you use for a browser?
I use Opera (currently under WinXp), but have used it under Ubuntu, too. Not the most memory efficient, but quite fast on a 667 Mhz Pentium 3.
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Anyone here use Arch Linux much?