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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Hardware Issues and discussion => Topic started by: utri007 on March 15, 2011, 07:11:55 PM

Title: New gamepad $4.55
Post by: utri007 on March 15, 2011, 07:11:55 PM
http://www.dealextreme.com/p/additional-gamepad-controller-for-sku-28970-30530

Does anyone know are there worth of anything?
Title: Re: New gamepad $4.55
Post by: runequester on March 15, 2011, 07:34:21 PM
Quote from: utri007;622027
http://www.dealextreme.com/p/additional-gamepad-controller-for-sku-28970-30530

Does anyone know are there worth of anything?


I bought one and it worked as a 2 button controller, for about a month. Then it didn't work at all.

I dont know if that was just a bad one, or if it is indication of their general quality. You can't argue with the price though.
Title: Re: New gamepad $4.55
Post by: Khephren on March 15, 2011, 07:44:25 PM
You can never be sure with dealxtreme. Some of their suppliers are awfull, some are great. I normally wait for the reviews to come in (on their site, that is).
Title: Re: New gamepad $4.55
Post by: utri007 on March 15, 2011, 07:48:01 PM
Price isn't bad, but what is unbeliviable is that free shipping :D they ship item price of 3,26€ free all over the world.
Title: Re: New gamepad $4.55
Post by: runequester on March 15, 2011, 08:03:46 PM
Quote from: utri007;622034
Price isn't bad, but what is unbeliviable is that free shipping :D they ship item price of 3,26€ free all over the world.


yeah, Im pretty sure that puts the cost of the gamepad at negative value :)
Title: Re: New gamepad $4.55
Post by: Khephren on March 15, 2011, 08:50:12 PM
got my IDE>CF, and my PCMCIA adapter from them, worked a treat, cost about £5 for both with free delivery :)
Title: Re: New gamepad $4.55
Post by: Cammy on March 15, 2011, 09:03:03 PM
They are good, but they are sold out and have been for months.
Title: Re: New gamepad $4.55
Post by: pan1k on March 15, 2011, 09:44:03 PM
Amazon has some el cheapo Amiga compatible gamepads that I have been looking at.

http://www.amazon.com/Innovations-230312-Sega-Genesis-Game/dp/B00012O7UQ/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1300225398&sr=8-1-spell

http://www.amazon.com/Classic-6-Button-Controller-Not-Machine-Specific/dp/B002HP18IO/ref=dp_cp_ob_e_image_2
Title: Re: New gamepad $4.55
Post by: utri007 on March 15, 2011, 10:11:32 PM
how about this atari console with 2 atari compatiable joystics? Price  is $34,95

http://www.dealextreme.com/p/atari-flashback-mini-7800-classic-game-console-ac-120v-27790
Title: Re: New gamepad $4.55
Post by: Cammy on March 15, 2011, 10:26:30 PM
As cool as those are, the joysticks won't work on a real Atari, let alone an Amiga. Internally they're more similar to NES controllers, but with 9pin connectors attached and will only work with the Atari Flashback console.
Title: Re: New gamepad $4.55
Post by: lauri.lotvonen on March 16, 2011, 09:42:28 AM
Is there a guide yet to modify the Genesis controller so the one of the buttons works as UP for jumping/accelerating? I tried searching the A.org forums, but no luck.
Title: Re: New gamepad $4.55
Post by: ognix on March 16, 2011, 10:19:46 AM
Quote from: lauri.lotvonen;622197
Is there a guide yet to modify the Genesis controller so the one of the buttons works as UP for jumping/accelerating? I tried searching the A.org forums, but no luck.


Hi!
It's not difficult if you (or a friend of yours) have some electronics skills: it's just a matter of connecting in parallel with one wire the up pad contact with the button you prefer (disconneting the original wire connected to the button).

To "do the action" the joystick/gamepad just connects the up/down/fire/etc signal to ground (GND - usually black wire).

Ask a friend of yours in case... it's a matter of minutes once you have opened it.

BY!
Title: Re: New gamepad $4.55
Post by: Crom00 on March 16, 2011, 10:36:15 AM
Actually guys and Cammy ;) I picked up a Sega Genesis Arcade controller for use with Street Fighter II. It works, but not all the buttons work.
Title: Re: New gamepad $4.55
Post by: lauri.lotvonen on March 16, 2011, 12:56:04 PM
Quote from: ognix;622200
Hi!
It's not difficult if you (or a friend of yours) have some electronics skills: it's just a matter of connecting in parallel with one wire the up pad contact with the button you prefer (disconneting the original wire connected to the button).

To "do the action" the joystick/gamepad just connects the up/down/fire/etc signal to ground (GND - usually black wire).

Ask a friend of yours in case... it's a matter of minutes once you have opened it.

BY!

I think I have the soldering skills for that, thanks for the info :).
First I will try it on one of my old joysticks,let's see how it works out.
If someone has done this to an sega controller please up some photos.
Title: Re: New gamepad $4.55
Post by: runequester on March 16, 2011, 03:55:43 PM
Quote from: lauri.lotvonen;622197
Is there a guide yet to modify the Genesis controller so the one of the buttons works as UP for jumping/accelerating? I tried searching the A.org forums, but no luck.


Worse case, look for the amiga/atari version of the gravis gamepad, as it has a switch that permits this
Title: Re: New gamepad $4.55
Post by: ognix on March 17, 2011, 12:03:57 AM
Quote from: lauri.lotvonen;622223
I think I have the soldering skills for that, thanks for the info :).
First I will try it on one of my old joysticks,let's see how it works out.
If someone has done this to an sega controller please up some photos.


Thanks, but for being more precise, it's unlikely that you'll find just wires inside the pad.
Much probably there is a PCB (Printed Circuit Board) under the hood.
In this case focus on the contacts/buttons behind the "up control" and the "button" you want to use for going up as well.
Secondly find the ground trace, common to all directions/commands (starting from cable wires, try the black one first): a multimeter is useful.
Thirdly you have to cut "button" copper trace with a cutter (not the ground but the other one), use the cutter to remove the (probable) green protection film on the PCB, and solder one end of a short wire near the "button", and the other near the up control (trace always treated with cutter for putting some tin on it).

Hope I didn't mess you mind with these things, but just to be more precise (despite I don't know exactly what you'll find inside the game pad).

Let us know!
BY!

P.S. These are just hints: I'm not responsible if you make a mess!  :)
Title: Re: New gamepad $4.55
Post by: Lurch on March 17, 2011, 06:00:13 AM
This would be the deal to get

http://www.dealextreme.com/p/compactflash-cf-card-to-ide-hard-disk-adapter-card-ide-44-10310

$2.33
Title: Re: New gamepad $4.55
Post by: kedawa on March 17, 2011, 06:15:40 AM
If you get a pad that has an actual IC chip instead of a blob, you should just remove the chip entirely and jumper the appropriate connections.
Title: Re: New gamepad $4.55
Post by: lauri.lotvonen on March 17, 2011, 07:09:19 AM
Quote from: ognix;622341
Thanks, but for being more precise, it's unlikely that you'll find just wires inside the pad.
Much probably there is a PCB (Printed Circuit Board) under the hood.
In this case focus on the contacts/buttons behind the "up control" and the "button" you want to use for going up as well.
Secondly find the ground trace, common to all directions/commands (starting from cable wires, try the black one first): a multimeter is useful.
Thirdly you have to cut "button" copper trace with a cutter (not the ground but the other one), use the cutter to remove the (probable) green protection film on the PCB, and solder one end of a short wire near the "button", and the other near the up control (trace always treated with cutter for putting some tin on it).

Hope I didn't mess you mind with these things, but just to be more precise (despite I don't know exactly what you'll find inside the game pad).

Let us know!
BY!

P.S. These are just hints: I'm not responsible if you make a mess!  :)

Thanks again, thats just the way I thinked it would work.
I did some "researching" of my own, with the joystick I mentioned and it had PCB inside of it.
I will try to mod it this evening, any tips for the trace cutting? Just an sharp "knife" ? BTW, I ordered 3 MD/Genesis controllers, just in case something goes wrong :lol:.
Title: Re: New gamepad $4.55
Post by: lauri.lotvonen on March 17, 2011, 07:11:48 AM
Quote from: Lurch;622390
This would be the deal to get

http://www.dealextreme.com/p/compactflash-cf-card-to-ide-hard-disk-adapter-card-ide-44-10310

$2.33

Thats cheap, and it works great. Have been using one in my A1200 for years now :)
Title: Re: New gamepad $4.55
Post by: lauri.lotvonen on March 17, 2011, 02:29:05 PM
Ok, so I got a hold of a original sega mega drive II gamepad, and modded it so the A button works as UP.

It was a fairly simple task, and took about 20 minutes to complete.

I just searched ground signal from the A button and UP button, soldered the other signal from A to UP and cut the original PCB trace from the A button.

Some pics:

(http://aijaa.com/v.php?i=006447705604.jpg)(http://i8.aijaa.com/t/00838/7705614.t.jpg) (http://aijaa.com/v.php?i=008387705614.jpg)(http://i10.aijaa.com/t/00730/7705615.t.jpg) (http://aijaa.com/v.php?i=007307705615.jpg)
(http://aijaa.com/v.php?i=005457705574.jpg)(http://aijaa.com/v.php?i=002397705575.jpg)(http://www.amiga.org/forums/%3Ca%20href=%22http://aijaa.com/v.php?i=005457705574.jpg%22%20target=%22Aijaa.com%22%3E%3Cimg%20src=%22http://i9.aijaa.com/t/00545/7705574.t.jpg%22%3E%3C/a%3E)(http://aijaa.com/v.php?i=006687705591.jpg)

The soldering isn't beautiful, but the gamepad works perfectly:).
BTW, works on C=64 too. Just noticed the pics have alot of dog hair in them, have to check that the controller isnt full of them too =P...
Title: Re: New gamepad $4.55
Post by: ognix on March 17, 2011, 09:33:01 PM
Quote from: lauri.lotvonen;622475
Ok, so I got a hold of a original sega mega drive II gamepad, and modded it so the A button works as UP.

It was a fairly simple task, and took about 20 minutes to complete.

I just searched ground signal from the A button and UP button, soldered the other signal from A to UP and cut the original PCB trace from the A button.

Some pics:

(http://aijaa.com/v.php?i=006447705604.jpg)(http://i8.aijaa.com/t/00838/7705614.t.jpg) (http://aijaa.com/v.php?i=008387705614.jpg)(http://i10.aijaa.com/t/00730/7705615.t.jpg) (http://aijaa.com/v.php?i=007307705615.jpg)
(http://aijaa.com/v.php?i=005457705574.jpg)(http://aijaa.com/v.php?i=002397705575.jpg)(http://www.amiga.org/forums/%3Ca%20href=%22http://aijaa.com/v.php?i=005457705574.jpg%22%20target=%22Aijaa.com%22%3E%3Cimg%20src=%22http://i9.aijaa.com/t/00545/7705574.t.jpg%22%3E%3C/a%3E)(http://aijaa.com/v.php?i=006687705591.jpg)

The soldering isn't beautiful, but the gamepad works perfectly:).
BTW, works on C=64 too. Just noticed the pics have alot of dog hair in them, have to check that the controller isnt full of them too =P...


Exactly what I meant!  :)
As you experienced cutting is just a matter of patience with cutter and "scratching" copper away (paying attention to nearby contacts/traces).
The gamepad will work as you expected on every system it worked before: nothing special.

With more handcraft you can add a switch to choose between the "normal behaviour" or the "up button" one.
But if you don't plan to use it back to Sega, it's ok anyway.

BY!
Title: Re: New gamepad $4.55
Post by: XDelusion on March 17, 2011, 09:42:40 PM
CRAP! I have one. CRAP!

Better off getting a used and official Genesis controller and modding that.

OR

Get a Sega Master System Controller.

OR

Modify an old NES controller.

OR

Cross your fingers that the PSX to 9-Pin adaptor gets mass release. It will provide you with 2 Button as well as CD32 support and will not fry your ports!
Title: Re: New gamepad $4.55
Post by: Franko on March 17, 2011, 11:56:27 PM
Whoever's the clever dick suddenly giving all the threads a star rating... you missed this one... :P
Title: Re: New gamepad $4.55
Post by: lauri.lotvonen on March 18, 2011, 07:57:21 AM
Quote from: XDelusion;622595
CRAP! I have one. CRAP!

Cross your fingers that the PSX to 9-Pin adaptor gets mass release. It will provide you with 2 Button as well as CD32 support and will not fry your ports!

I have one, and its great. Just one but, does not fit my A600 :angryfire:
Do you think I should do some more of my "skilled" modding to the adapter too :lol:?
And does it support button mapping so one of the action buttons is up? I read the PDF manual what came with it but I
lost it about a year ago.
Title: Re: New gamepad $4.55
Post by: lauri.lotvonen on March 18, 2011, 08:10:41 AM
Quote from: ognix;622593
Exactly what I meant!  :)
As you experienced cutting is just a matter of patience with cutter and "scratching" copper away (paying attention to nearby contacts/traces).
The gamepad will work as you expected on every system it worked before: nothing special.

With more handcraft you can add a switch to choose between the "normal behaviour" or the "up button" one.
But if you don't plan to use it back to Sega, it's ok anyway.

BY!


Kind of a cool idea, just a switch between the UP and A line, and the original A trace. But I wont install the switch(es), because I have load of controllers coming (6pcs), plenty enough for my Sega need's also :).

The next thing would be ordering wirelles Sega MD/Genesis controllers.
Would be great if you could sit on our couch and play games from an 46" telly without the A600 dragged near =). Have anyone here tried those on an Amy before?