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Amiga computer related discussion => General chat about Amiga topics => Topic started by: brownb2 on March 11, 2011, 12:39:24 PM
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Does it run Windows? :laughing:
In all seriousness what is third party support like for launch, specifically a number of users would buy this for gaming capability which is pretty much what sold most of the low end Amigas to the mass market (which I assume is something you'd want to capitalise on, if not immediately then shortly after)?
Perhaps somebody should approach old school houses like Team17, the remnants of Ocean, Elite software and so forth - people who knew to take a risk with something new who are more likely than behemoths like Activision's dev studios et al to support it.
The time to donate dev machines to these people will likely be here soon.
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Are you seriously going to pay all that dosh, just to play some silly games !!!
What a waste of money and a good machine that would be if it were just another games machine... :(
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Does it run Windows? :laughing:
In all seriousness what is third party support like for launch, specifically a number of users would buy this for gaming capability which is pretty much what sold most of the low end Amigas to the mass market (which I assume is something you'd want to capitalise on, if not immediately then shortly after)?
Perhaps somebody should approach old school houses like Team17, the remnants of Ocean, Elite software and so forth - people who knew to take a risk with something new who are more likely than behemoths like Activision's dev studios et al to support it.
The time to donate dev machines to these people will likely be here soon.
Are you having a bubble?
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Alright i just checked the online list and no mods are online as i right this post. Let's take him out before anyone will know :hammer:
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Alright i just checked the online list and no mods are online as i right this post. Let's take him out before anyone will know :hammer:
Queen Spelling Bee, makes yet another Boo Boo... :roflmao:
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Franko d'you know there's an actual group at A.org that is into the grammar/spwlling thing.
Will the x1000 have support for a word pro with spelling and grammar checking ?
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@ Gertsy
Yup, I think I'm a member but to be honest I think the the group is unfair as it only supports grammars, what about equal right for grandpas... :D
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chika boom..!
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Are you having a bubble?
Yes I know the Amiga has been able to run Windows for some time. ;)
Oh you mean with regards to third party software support? I've not seen anything in the announcements on amiga.org.
Are you seriously going to pay all that dosh, just to play some silly games !!!
As opposed to spending lots of dosh on ebay for potentially old dodgy hardware to do the same thing? :)
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As opposed to spending lots of dosh on ebay for potentially old dodgy hardware to do the same thing? :)
Unlike most Amiga users, I very rarely play games on the Amiga, and having just spent over a grand on evilBay over the past few weeks buying Amigas & accelerator boards I aint gonna waste them on playing games... :)
There are much better things to do with an Amiga than using it as a games console... :)
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Unlike most Amiga users, I very rarely play games on the Amiga, and having just spent over a grand on evilBay over the past few weeks buying Amigas & accelerator boards I aint gonna waste them on playing games... :)
There are much better things to do with an Amiga than using it as a games console... :)
Don't get me wrong I wasn't referring to you I meant me, I've spent money on old hardware when really I could be investing in new "close to bloodline" compatible hardware that would give some of my old PCs a run for money. My old computer collection is mainly for retro gaming, any development I do is generally on modern machines to appeal to a wider audience. If I had a modern Amiga chances are I'd develop for it since I've done that in the past for new hardware I've bought (Zaurus, Pocket PC, mobile phones etc).
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Does it run Windows? :laughing:
In all seriousness what is third party support like for launch, specifically a number of users would buy this for gaming capability which is pretty much what sold most of the low end Amigas to the mass market (which I assume is something you'd want to capitalise on, if not immediately then shortly after)?
Perhaps somebody should approach old school houses like Team17, the remnants of Ocean, Elite software and so forth - people who knew to take a risk with something new who are more likely than behemoths like Activision's dev studios et al to support it.
The time to donate dev machines to these people will likely be here soon.
If this is in reference to A-EON's AmigaOne x1000, what third party is going to spend resources on a system that will sell in the low hundreds of total units sold? Time you add in what AmiKit's profit on the AmigaOne x1000's, I wouldn't be too surprised if it's close to 1,800 GBP, then add in VAT and shipping.
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The time to donate dev machines to these people will likely be here soon.
don't worry mate as I'm sure Trevor & A-Eon are on that case as they've already donated many OS4.x machines and contributed to numerous bounties as well
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What does the X1000 offer the gaming world besides nostalgia?
Does it run Windows? :laughing:
In all seriousness what is third party support like for launch, specifically a number of users would buy this for gaming capability which is pretty much what sold most of the low end Amigas to the mass market (which I assume is something you'd want to capitalise on, if not immediately then shortly after)?
Perhaps somebody should approach old school houses like Team17, the remnants of Ocean, Elite software and so forth - people who knew to take a risk with something new who are more likely than behemoths like Activision's dev studios et al to support it.
The time to donate dev machines to these people will likely be here soon.
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What does the X1000 offer the gaming world besides nostalgia?
well if you're into gaming it'll give you the opportunity to play modern games as well as all the old classic 68k games while using your favourite OS
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well if you're into gaming it'll give you the opportunity to play modern games as well as all the old classic 68k games while using your favourite OS
Why wouldn't people just buy a SAM460 now and pay far less? Problem for the A1X1K is OS4 only runs on one CPU core, second can't be used.
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Why wouldn't people just buy a SAM460 now and pay far less? Problem for the A1X1K is OS4 only runs on one CPU core, second can't be used.
well I guess it's up to personal choice and that's good in Amiga land for sure:)
btw, are you 'sure' it only runs on one core;)
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well I guess it's up to personal choice and that's good in Amiga land for sure:)
btw, are you 'sure' it only runs on one core;)
I'm fairly confident that OS4 only runs on a single core. They could try to run OS4 on each core as separate OSs, but who would care for that? People want SMP for multicore support.
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I'm fairly confident that OS4 only runs on a single core. They could try to run OS4 on each core as separate OSs, but who would care for that? People want SMP for multicore support.
They don't really need the 2nd core because the OS4 is snappy as it is and there are no applications that would really need the added grunt of the SMP computing.
Their time would be much better spent in bringing USB 2.0 or modern 3D support rather then making AMP or SMP on OS4. Especially since adding SMP would probably break most applications and would be a major rework of the OS itself and judging by Hyperion's speed in bringing updates it would mean that the OS4 would have a usable SMP somewhere in the 2020-2025 timeframe.
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What does the X1000 offer the gaming world besides nostalgia?
The fastest PPC processor available in the Amiga community and modern PCIe expansion slots.
This board operates at almost twice what the SaM460 does and the processor includes AltiVec instructions that the APM based SAMs don't have.
As it is due to be released long before G5 support is introduced for MorphOS, it now turns the performance crown over to AOS.
You get a chance to buy a system based on a really neat PPC that probably would have helped Apple raise the performance of its laptops if they had not moved to X86.
Its just a damned nice piece of Amiga hardware.
Any other stupid questions?
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As it is due to be released long before G5 support is introduced for MorphOS,
That is to be seen.
it now turns the performance crown over to AOS.
That is to be seen (remember how underperforming OS4 was when tested on Peg2 against MorphOS) and surely the word "now" has no place at all in that sentence.
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The fastest PPC processor available in the Amiga community and modern PCIe expansion slots.
This board operates at almost twice what the SaM460 does and the processor includes AltiVec instructions that the APM based SAMs don't have.
As it is due to be released long before G5 support is introduced for MorphOS, it now turns the performance crown over to AOS.
For PPC, AROS still owns the fastest hardware since it's x86/x86_64 based.
You get a chance to buy a system based on a really neat PPC that probably would have helped Apple raise the performance of its laptops if they had not moved to X86.
That would have been an impressive statement, six years ago. Today your talking about dusty boxes sitting in a warehouse for multiple years.
Its just a damned nice piece of Amiga hardware.
Any other stupid questions?
It's not an Amiga, it's a AmigaOne.
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Problem for the A1X1K is OS4 only runs on one CPU core, second can't be used.
You can use both cores. And what is more: You can use Xena. And it will get easier to do so. OS4 won't stop you from using any of the HWs features and Hyperion is planning some pretty advanced stuff themselves. Their part may take some time though.
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That is to be seen.
That is to be seen (remember how underperforming OS4 was when tested on Peg2 against MorphOS) and surely the word "now" has no place at all in that sentence.
All premature, sorry. Until we see actual benchmarks its all a moot point.
But the machine has the potential to be a real game changer.
Pity it doesn't run MorphOS.
Have you seen this reference yet?
http://www.ll.mit.edu/HPEC/agendas/proc08/Day3/C1-Bueno-Poster.pdf
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People want SMP for multicore support.
SMP means different things to different people, but Amiga users know that symmetry is not the only road to success (think Paula). Hyperion has some conceps and ideas they haven't talked much about yet, but at Amiwest you could tell they know their stuff and are ready to go beyond just copying what is found elsewhere.
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SMP means different things to different people, but Amiga users know that symmetry is not the only road to success (think Paula). Hyperion has some conceps and ideas they haven't talked much about yet, but at Amiwest you could tell they know their stuff and are ready to go beyond just copying what is found elsewhere.
Is this the same Hyperion that said they were having high hopes for OS4 in the embedded market and web kiosks? The same Hyperion who is yet to release the USB 2.0 functionality in OS4? Color me suspicious...
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You can use both cores. And what is more: You can use Xena. And it will get easier to do so. OS4 won't stop you from using any of the HWs features and Hyperion is planning some pretty advanced stuff themselves. Their part may take some time though.
You and I both know when the A1X1K is released, OS4 is not going to be SMP. Who will want to use Xena and for what purpose when they get their A1X1K out of the box? I'm sure Hyperion has some loft dreams they want OS4 to reach, but that is a long way from reality.
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For PPC, AROS still owns the fastest hardware since it's x86/x86_64 based.
That would have been an impressive statement, six years ago. Today your talking about dusty boxes sitting in a warehouse for multiple years.
It's not an Amiga, it's a AmigaOne.
AROS is an X86 product, that was not the point. I was taliking about PPC. And AROS still runs on one core. Should Hyperion be able utilize both cores that would give AOS an advantage over AROS.
It's not an Amiga, it's a AmigaOne
Yes, I forgot its an AmigaOne that runs AmigaOS, currently planned "Amigas" will be Windows boxes.
Dammy, you'd shit on anything, and I'm not impressed with your opinions.
If I had the money, I'd buy an X1000. I'm sure that there are enough people that will buy one. I'm completely impressed with the machine, and intend to continue to use "dusty" PPC boxes.
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SMP means different things to different people, but Amiga users know that symmetry is not the only road to success (think Paula). Hyperion has some conceps and ideas they haven't talked much about yet, but at Amiwest you could tell they know their stuff and are ready to go beyond just copying what is found elsewhere.
I would say the definition of SMP is straight forward: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symmetric_multiprocessing
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You and I both know when the A1X1K is released, OS4 is not going to be SMP. Who will want to use Xena and for what purpose when they get their A1X1K out of the box? I'm sure Hyperion has some loft dreams they want OS4 to reach, but that is a long way from reality.
Yes, more to the point... as there will be no Xorro expension cards apart from those home made ones, who will be crazy enough to try them out and possibly fry their 3000$ X1000 in the process. That is, assuming that OS4 ever gets the official software support for XMOS chips...
There is a reason why you do not see these hobbyist boards like XMOS and Arduino integrated on the MBs elsewhere...
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AROS is an X86 product, that was not the point. I was taliking about PPC. And AROS still runs on one core. Should Hyperion be able utilize both cores that would give AOS an advantage over AROS.
AROS is also PPC and is now ARM Linux hosted as well. Yes it only runs on one core mainly do to them keeping the 3.1 API holy. They will have to break the 3.1 API for AROS (on x86/PPC/ARM) to go SMP.
It's not an Amiga, it's a AmigaOne
Yes, I forgot its an AmigaOne that runs AmigaOS, currently planned "Amigas" will be Windows boxes.
The new Amigas are x86 based, they can run Windows but will more then likely be running Linux for the time being, or something else while running AOS 3.x series in emulation, just like how OS4 runs the AOS 3.x apps/games.
Dammy, you'd shit on anything, and I'm not impressed with your opinions.
It's not my opinion, I'm dealing with facts. If you don't like the facts, that's too bad for you.
If I had the money, I'd buy an X1000. I'm sure that there are enough people that will buy one. I'm completely impressed with the machine, and intend to continue to use "dusty" PPC boxes.
I personally don't care if you buy all 250 A1X1Ks. I just want to point out there is AROS and it is in PPCland as well as x86land and now ARMland which means it runs on the fastest hardware, even on a single core.
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AROS is also PPC and is now ARM Linux hosted as well. Yes it only runs on one core mainly do to them keeping the 3.1 API holy. They will have to break the 3.1 API for AROS (on x86/PPC/ARM) to go SMP.
The new Amigas are x86 based, they can run Windows but will more then likely be running Linux for the time being, or something else while running AOS 3.x series in emulation, just like how OS4 runs the AOS 3.x apps/games.
It's not my opinion, I'm dealing with facts. If you don't like the facts, that's too bad for you.
I personally don't care if you buy all 250 A1X1Ks. I just want to point out there is AROS and it is in PPCland as well as x86land and now ARMland which means it runs on the fastest hardware, even on a single core.
You do make some valid points, but as a MorphOS user, I'm happier with the performance of my OS than my experiences with AROS.
I do expect AROS to improve as it matures, but right now I'm not happy with it.
And I don't think I'll have to buy all 250 X1000s. With that small a production run they'll sell quickly.
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The new Amigas are x86 based, they can run Windows but will more then likely be running Linux for the time being, or something else while running AOS 3.x series in emulation, just like how OS4 runs the AOS 3.x apps/games.
*sigh* I have plenty of apps from the 3.x series which don't need an emulated 3.x environment to run on my OS4 machine, and likewise under MorphOS. They do just fine with CPU emulation while using the native PPC OS functions and integrating to the point where it's impossible to tell which CPU they're compiled for. I still have yet to hear how that would be possible under Linux, Windows, or indeed any mysterious, yet-to-be-written OS for the new C-USA "Amigas". The emulation on any C-USA Amiga will be utterly different to that which is part of OS4 and MorphOS, and possibly AROS in the near future.
You do make some good points (hardware-banging software etc.), but it's a shame you have to bring this "new Amiga" stuff into every conversation, even when the topic most clearly is talking about the X1000. It seems like you take every opportunity to blow your C-USA trumpet in the faces of people who are actually aware of the facts, of the shortcomings of AmigaOS machines, but still want to use them for their hobby.
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You do make some good points (hardware-banging software etc.), but it's a shame you have to bring this "new Amiga" stuff into every conversation, even when the topic most clearly is talking about the X1000. It seems like you take every opportunity to blow your C-USA trumpet in the faces of people who are actually aware of the facts, of the shortcomings of AmigaOS machines, but still want to use them for their hobby.
This. Endlessly repeating phrases like "the new Amigas are x86 based" doesn't actually make you righter on what makes an Amiga than MorphOS zealots, OS4 obsessives, AROS nuts, or 68k diehards. (And neither does licensing a trademark, thank you.)
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*sigh* I have plenty of apps from the 3.x series which don't need an emulated 3.x environment to run on my OS4 machine, and likewise under MorphOS. They do just fine with CPU emulation while using the native PPC OS functions and integrating to the point where it's impossible to tell which CPU they're compiled for. I still have yet to hear how that would be possible under Linux, Windows, or indeed any mysterious, yet-to-be-written OS for the new C-USA "Amigas". The emulation on any C-USA Amiga will be utterly different to that which is part of OS4 and MorphOS, and possibly AROS in the near future.
You do make some good points (hardware-banging software etc.), but it's a shame you have to bring this "new Amiga" stuff into every conversation, even when the topic most clearly is talking about the X1000. It seems like you take every opportunity to blow your C-USA trumpet in the faces of people who are actually aware of the facts, of the shortcomings of AmigaOS machines, but still want to use them for their hobby.
We are obviously all hopelessly polarized, but its nice to have a few people in my corner.
Thanks for the post Daedalus.
And I really don't think in terms of MorphOS zealotry, or Amiga fanaticism. I'd like to see all current endeavors succeed. I'm not even negative to CUSA's projects.
I'll let the rest of you argue about the definition of what is or isn't an Amiga.