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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Hardware Issues and discussion => Topic started by: Ratte on March 08, 2011, 08:56:43 AM

Title: Apollo4060 @ 100MHz
Post by: Ratte on March 08, 2011, 08:56:43 AM
Benchmarks:
http://www.a1k.org/forum/showthread.php?p=412295

3.5V regulator-mod:
http://www.amiga.org/gallery/index.php?u=4308
Title: Re: Apollo4060 @ 100MHz
Post by: wawrzon on March 08, 2011, 10:07:51 AM
natami killer.
Title: Re: Apollo4060 @ 100MHz
Post by: amigakit on March 08, 2011, 11:18:33 AM
Wow!  Thats fast...
Title: Re: Apollo4060 @ 100MHz
Post by: mfilos on March 08, 2011, 12:08:33 PM
This is intense pr0n for the faint hearted!!!

Awesome stuff there my friend.
Title: Re: Apollo4060 @ 100MHz
Post by: ognix on March 08, 2011, 02:09:47 PM
Gooood stuff!!  :D
Title: Re: Apollo4060 @ 100MHz
Post by: klx300r on March 08, 2011, 02:12:15 PM
that's sick sweet goodness there:afro::drink:
Title: Re: Apollo4060 @ 100MHz
Post by: Dave on March 08, 2011, 03:24:12 PM
but that is very fast.. :)
Title: Re: Apollo4060 @ 100MHz
Post by: Ratte on March 20, 2011, 04:27:59 AM
I have to play with the frequencies and voltage ... 100MHz is a bit unstable.
Sometimes the systems hangs, no matter what type of memory is used.
It happens in chipmem, zorram, fastmem, 32bitmem.
Tested with analyser, after some passes it hangs.
(I think i have to try different corevoltages or the cpu has reached the limit)
For now i have a rockstable 90mhz setup:
http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=nJrGnlVn5Mw&vq=large
Title: Re: Apollo4060 @ 100MHz
Post by: Kesa on March 20, 2011, 05:20:56 AM
Cool video. But what's up with the Apple? This is Amiga.org not Apple.org ;)
Title: Re: Apollo4060 @ 100MHz
Post by: delshay on March 20, 2011, 04:14:42 PM
higher voltage will solve some problems but not all.  It's what the other logic chips can tolorate. great work but it needs to be stable,if you can fix the problem the the card may go faster.

i will soon finish my special A1200 motherboard. hopfully it will fix a few issues im having when PPC accelerator card is overclocked above 83Mhz but would like to point out that my PPC card has booted @86Mhz,but if i remember correcly it also boots @92Mhz.

@100Mhz it will not load workbench.
Title: Re: Apollo4060 @ 100MHz
Post by: Karlos on March 20, 2011, 04:35:29 PM
Quote from: Ratte;623230
I have to play with the frequencies and voltage ... 100MHz is a bit unstable.
Sometimes the systems hangs, no matter what type of memory is used.
It happens in chipmem, zorram, fastmem, 32bitmem.
Tested with analyser, after some passes it hangs.
(I think i have to try different corevoltages or the cpu has reached the limit)
For now i have a rockstable 90mhz setup:
http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=nJrGnlVn5Mw&vq=large


I feel strangely aroused...
Title: Re: Apollo4060 @ 100MHz
Post by: LoadWB on March 20, 2011, 04:48:25 PM
I like the insides of your 4000D.  The ventilation update is very nice looking, and the rest is neat and clean.  I had deliberated on getting a 4000Di PCI for my 4000D for a while, but I decided that I would be just as happy with my PIV and a Deneb.

I especially like your MacOS demonstration in this vid... should piss off a few Mac purists :D
Title: Re: Apollo4060 @ 100MHz
Post by: fiat1100d on March 20, 2011, 05:06:13 PM
What kind of 68060 CPU are you using? With a rev. 6 CPU (E41J mask set) I am able to use it at 100 MHz without higher voltage, but as you write the system will randomly freeze, it can be after minutes or hours of use.
Title: Re: Apollo4060 @ 100MHz
Post by: Ratte on March 21, 2011, 11:34:24 AM
Quote from: fiat1100d;623288
What kind of 68060 CPU are you using? With a rev. 6 CPU (E41J mask set) I am able to use it at 100 MHz without higher voltage, but as you write the system will randomly freeze, it can be after minutes or hours of use.


Rev6 latest mask
Title: Re: Apollo4060 @ 100MHz
Post by: delshay on March 21, 2011, 01:14:03 PM
i also use revision 6 RC60 with markings 004 or 006 (left side of chip)
Title: Re: Apollo4060 @ 100MHz
Post by: Jose on March 21, 2011, 11:22:18 PM
I have a stable set up with a Cyberstorm MK2 at 80Mhz, latest 060 mask too. Would like to try higher frequencies but I doubt it will handle it.
The 80Mhz clock is almost enouph to play quake 1 at 640x480 8bit with software render, but it still stutters too much. 100Mhz must be close to fluid.
I've read somehwere that the CPU boards that were used on A4000Ts (Quickpak or something) are good overclockers too...
Title: Re: Apollo4060 @ 100MHz
Post by: Damion on March 22, 2011, 12:07:03 AM
@Jose

How long has your MKII been running that way? I put a Rev 6 in mine along with quality RAM, but I'm hesitant to push it past 66MHz. From what I read (googling/usenet) the MKII was designed to handle 66 and even 80MHz, but I imagine that was intended to be done after a firmware update. At least that was according to Phase5 back in the day.
Title: Re: Apollo4060 @ 100MHz
Post by: Jose on March 22, 2011, 12:45:39 AM
@Damion
A firmware update might be usefull, I never messed with that on mine, don't even remember if it has the lastest firmware (almost did but was afraid to ruin a good working card).
It's been running like that for months but to be honest I don't fire up my 4000T that much except for some dev stuff once in a while. When I do it's normally up for 2 to 3 hours but it's not on 100% CPU load.
Good 50ns ram is essential, maybe there's even better.
Also, don't forget that there were MK2's running 040's at 40Mhz, which means they used an 80Mhz clock (040 CPU uses half clock rate), so 80Mhz won't damage the card, just be sure to use an oscillator socket to be able to exchange them easily and keep an eye on CPU temperature.
I really got to try 90Mhz or more :)
Title: Re: Apollo4060 @ 100MHz
Post by: Damion on March 22, 2011, 01:13:43 AM
From what I read, the firmware updates for higher CPU frequencies never came. Phase5 dropped support of the idea entirely, since Motorola never released 66 or 80MHz (full) '060s. Apparently, the MKII firmware author (Carsten Schlote) left Phase5 shortly after the MKII was released which might have had some impact as well. (The above might be inaccurate, it's just what I read perusing old usenet posts.) Mr. Schlote released an unofficial firmware, but I never tried it because (1), it's AFAIK irreversible, and (2), as you mentioned, fear of a b0rked MKII. I read a few stories concerning the latter. :-/

I think you are right, it shouldn't damage anything to try. I'm guessing the firmware update would have relaxed some RAM timings, which explains why good RAM is required for 80 (and even 66MHz) overclock and the board jumpered for '060 operation. (I don't think the SMD jumpers are of any help here, unlike the Apollos.)
Title: Re: Apollo4060 @ 100MHz
Post by: LoadWB on March 22, 2011, 01:39:12 AM
With all this talk of the MKII, any idea on over-clocking the MKIII?
Title: Re: Apollo4060 @ 100MHz
Post by: mechy on March 22, 2011, 01:51:30 AM
Quote from: LoadWB;623640
With all this talk of the MKII, any idea on over-clocking the MKIII?


the MK3 is essentially a PPC board without the PPC,so any overclocking that applies to the 060 on a cyberstorm PPC is relevant to the MKIII.

Check here:  http://members.iinet.net.au/~davem2/overclock/csppc.html
Title: Re: Apollo4060 @ 100MHz
Post by: Cosmos Amiga on March 22, 2011, 02:24:06 AM
>Mr. Schlote released an unofficial firmware

Where to find ? Have you this new firmware ??
Title: Re: Apollo4060 @ 100MHz
Post by: LoadWB on March 22, 2011, 02:56:46 AM
Quote from: mechy;623644
the MK3 is essentially a PPC board without the PPC,so any overclocking that applies to the 060 on a cyberstorm PPC is relevant to the MKIII.

Check here:  http://members.iinet.net.au/~davem2/overclock/csppc.html


Thank you much.
Title: Re: Apollo4060 @ 100MHz
Post by: Ratte on March 22, 2011, 09:04:41 AM
Quote from: Cosmos;623647
>Mr. Schlote released an unofficial firmware

Where to find ? Have you this new firmware ??


http://www.gregdonner.org/gvp4060/downloads.html

MMUTools from Aminet is also a very good replacement.
(The firmeware is only deactivating some caches during bootup)
Title: Re: Apollo4060 @ 100MHz
Post by: Damion on March 22, 2011, 09:59:41 AM
@Cosmos

Unfortunately I don't know, I wasn't able to find it. The old website here:

http://replay.waybackmachine.org/20050205061226/http://www.neodyne.de/bodylove/downloads.html

It's called MKxDiag... but the files aren't archived. I'm sure someone around here has a copy.

EDIT: From what I recall, Ratte is 100% correct - there's nothing in the firmware that can't be gained using the MMUTools. And AFAIK there's no tool to flash back your original firmware... though I wouldn't mind having a copy just to check out the readme.
Title: Re: Apollo4060 @ 100MHz
Post by: Cosmos Amiga on March 22, 2011, 10:58:25 AM
I'm looking for :

mk2flash.lha

and/or

MKxDiag_40_8.lha
Title: Re: Apollo4060 @ 100MHz
Post by: alexh on March 22, 2011, 12:08:34 PM
I know this is of little use but they used to be on these two websites :

http://www.neodyne.de/bodylove/downloads.html
http://www.smartos.net/~csc/downloads.html

Unfortunately both websites are now dead... perhaps you can find a mirror somewhere?

Someone in this thread might have it??

http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=21746
Title: Re: Apollo4060 @ 100MHz
Post by: whabang on April 05, 2011, 12:09:08 PM
Awesome! B)
Title: Re: Apollo4060 @ 100MHz
Post by: delshay on September 21, 2011, 05:23:10 AM
Appolo cards are not alone,120Mhz may possible be on it's way MC68060RC60 bottom left side of processor markings ends with 006


http://www.amiga.org/gallery/index.php?n=3562


WARNING! do not try this on your Blizzard PPC card,you may damage it beyond repair.


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Title: Re: Apollo4060 @ 100MHz
Post by: Cosmos Amiga on September 21, 2011, 06:32:29 AM
What is the signification of -006 ?

All my 060 rev6 at home have -002