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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga community support ideas => Topic started by: Haranguer on February 28, 2011, 02:34:21 PM
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When I read about iContain getting the right to use the Amiga trademark on OS News I was beyond annoyed - I was furious.
So I sent some nasty, nasty emails to them.
And Todd from iContain replied, and he's convinced me that he has the besst interests of the Amiga community at heart. He really does want to supply us with hardware that will run our operating system, not, as has been claimed, to just slap the Amiga name on unbranded, cheap, generic electronics. He tells me that his company can get custom hardware designed and built cheaply.
I suggeted that a PowerPC phone that can run Amiga OS would be just the thing we want. He seems amenable.
But Hyperion haven't replied to his emails.
Now, I know we've been bitten a few times, but can't we give iContain the benefit of the doubt and see if they can put their money where there mouths are? If we give them a chance and they don't produce, what have we lost? Nothing!
But if they are likely to produce and we, as a community, don't even let them try, well, we might have missed out on the Amiga phone I've wanted for so long ...
I told Todd about the other "flavours" of Amiga - MorphOs and AROS. He tells me that he's going to look at IcAROS, since Hyperion don't seem to be interested.
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Hello there, is that the new CTO of iContain talking? ;)
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@ Haranguer
First it was Bill then it was Barry now we have Todd... well at least we seem to have got off the "B"s for now... :)
Once again the very long and very sad saga of the never ending grim fairy tale that is Amiga continues, ok lets do as you suggest and "give them a chance"... :)
So can we lock this thread now until something real happens... nuff said... ;)
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@ Haranguer
First it was Bill then it was Barry now we have Todd... well at least we seem to have got off the "B"s for now... :)
Once again the very long and very sad saga of the never ending grim fairy tale that is Amiga continues, ok lets do as you suggest and "give them a chance"... :)
So can we lock this thread now until something real happens... nuff said... ;)
Hey Franko, if you remember what I posted in a previous thread... We get a few companies each year promising to be the saviour of the Amiga, after a while you just tune it out. No reason to lock a thread over it, let people have their fun!
Again good luck to any company that thinks it can use the Amiga/Commodore brand in modern times :)
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But Hyperion haven't replied to his emails.
Ben is probably a little pissed off right now. He spent all that time and money on OS4 and licensing names like "AmigaOne" when all he really had to do was license the name "Amiga" and slap it on some pre-manufactured products.
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Hey Franko, if you remember what I posted in a previous thread... We get a few companies each year promising to be the saviour of the Amiga, after a while you just tune it out. No reason to lock a thread over it, let people have their fun!
Again good luck to any company that thinks it can use the Amiga/Commodore brand in modern times :)
True... very true, but the problem is with so many threads about these days me script writers are having a hard job keeping up with em all... :)
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Actually, thinking about the comment about Hyperion... It would be very odd for a commercial company to licence a proprietary operating system, now, especially one with no software base. The company would need to be totally insane not to use Android, or at least an opersource OS that they can adapt to their Market needs!
I actually don't know why they would contact Hyperion at all... Sounds fishy huh! ;)
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This is the weirdest thing, that the company that comes along trying to sell Chinese rent-to-own hardware is the first one in some time that actually appears to be interested in what the community wants. Tell Todd to get an account here, I'd like to see some more of what he has to say, just to see if I can figure this all out. :confused:
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Hmm... Bill, Ben, Barry... Todd
D'ya think this could be genuine this time as at least the guy has managed to think up a name that doesn't begin with B... :)
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I told Todd about the other "flavours" of Amiga - MorphOs and AROS. He tells me that he's going to look at IcAROS, since Hyperion don't seem to be interested.
Well, as long as Hyperion is doing what they do, we can all forget about either AROS or MOS officially on AMIGA branded machines.
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Hmm... Bill, Ben, Barry... Todd
D'ya think this could be genuine this time as at least the guy has managed to think up a name that doesn't begin with B... :)
(B)ill McEwen
(B)ill Buck
(B)ill Panagouleas
(B)arry Moss
(B)arry Altman
(B)en Hermans
Yes, 1st initial is obviously a requirement before trying to buy into some part of this mess. Todd must have failed to get the memo.
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(B)ill McEwen
(B)ill Buck
(B)ill Panagouleas
(B)arry Moss
(B)arry Altman
(B)en Hermans
Yes, 1st initial is obviously a requirement before trying to buy into some part of this mess. Todd must have failed to get the memo.
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That's one hell of a lot of Bs... ;)
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That's one hell of a lot of Bs... ;)
I'll assume a typo on your part.
B(s) is one thing.
BS quite another.
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I'll assume a typo on your part.
B(s) is one thing.
BS quite another.
#6
Not a typo... its a double entendre :)
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I'll assume a typo on your part.
B(s) is one thing.
BS quite another.
#6
No typo... I was just being polite by not saying "that's one hell of a lot of fecking B@$!@&*s"
But BS fit's the "Bill" just as well... :D
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No typo... I was just being polite by not saying "that's one hell of a lot of fecking B@$!@&*s"
But BS fit's the "Bill" just as well... :D
Heh, either way...
But I have a serious question for you.
When one makes a statement it is very difficult to determine whom it will affect and in what way.
There is an issue troubling me lately, and I've posted about it elsewhere.
My quandry is whether to throw it open to the public or not.
Any advice, or should I just go back and hide in a cave?
#6
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Heh, either way...
But I have a serious question for you.
When one makes a statement it is very difficult to determine whom it will affect and in what way.
There is an issue troubling me lately, and I've posted about it elsewhere.
My quandry is whether to throw it open to the public or not.
Any advice, or should I just go back and hide in a cave?
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Didn't ask me, but I think you should just say it. Worrying about butterflies in the Amazon never did anyone any good. I'm sure that given enough time, enough monkeys who can do mathematics, and enough slide rules one could figure out an equation as to the impact of your statement... but at what cost? Better to get something off your chest and ask forgiveness if it was truly offensive than to get an ulcer worrying about all the thin-skins out there.
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Heh, either way...
But I have a serious question for you.
When one makes a statement it is very difficult to determine whom it will affect and in what way.
There is an issue troubling me lately, and I've posted about it elsewhere.
My quandry is whether to throw it open to the public or not.
Any advice, or should I just go back and hide in a cave?
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Oooh exciting!!!
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Heh, either way...
But I have a serious question for you.
When one makes a statement it is very difficult to determine whom it will affect and in what way.
There is an issue troubling me lately, and I've posted about it elsewhere.
Link?
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Heh, either way...
But I have a serious question for you.
When one makes a statement it is very difficult to determine whom it will affect and in what way.
There is an issue troubling me lately, and I've posted about it elsewhere.
My quandry is whether to throw it open to the public or not.
Any advice, or should I just go back and hide in a cave?
#6
Just say it man and sod the consequences, go on spill the beans, let the cat out of the bag, confess your sins, sing like a jailbird... :D
Course it better be good or we'll give you a roasting for it... ;)
Oooh Number is replying... here it comes... :eek:
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Link?
Thank you jorkany.
That's probably the best way to start.
If you ignore the "hah hah" comments in the thread and just focus on the serious questions being asked, I'm sure you'll understand where I'm going with this.
the AW version of the topic (http://amigaworld.net/modules/news/article.php?storyid=5831)
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@ Number6
Having already read that thread earlier, sorry but I don't understand where you're going with this ???
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Thank you jorkany.
That's probably the best way to start.
If you ignore the "hah hah" comments in the thread and just focus on the serious questions being asked, I'm sure you'll understand where I'm going with this.
the AW version of the topic (http://amigaworld.net/modules/news/article.php?storyid=5831)
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If you're talking about the "executor of the estate" thing, I wondered about that myself. Who is the executor of Kouri's estate, do we know? I can't think of anyone else who that might refer to.
Anyway, I was kind of hoping you were referring to a post that appeared on moobunny this morning. :D
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@ Number6
Having already read that thread earlier, sorry but I don't understand where you're going with this ???
I think Todd Kleperis' statement is curious, since we know that the only executor involved is:
http://www.linkedin.com/pub/john-grzymala/10/8b2/416
Who clearly is acting on behalf of Itec for the Kouri family trust.
As fast as the original new story by cgutjahr was "updated" to indicate this was about Amiga Inc. and not the trust...the news was removed.
I feel this puts Mr. Kleperis in the difficult position of having to explain this partnership and whom is licensing the name.
If Mr. Gryzmala can state that he's still on the board of Amiga Inc. and acting in their behalf, this would clear up the matter.
Of course, if this comment about a trust applies to something entirely different, that would also clarify the situation.
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@ Number6
Don't take this the wrong way but... I've never quite understood your fascination with raking through all these posts and sites and statements issued by anybody and everybody about all the shady goings on behind the scenes when it comes to the Amiga !!!
Is it a professional interest you have or just a hobby, to be honest as much as I love all things Commodore & Amiga I couldn't be bothered with who says what and who claims what anymore, personally I just like ripping the piss out of the whole thing and the numpties behind all the statements... :)
Kinda prefer like yesterday on here to read and try and help out folk with genuine Amiga hardware/software questions than all this malarky about IPs, copyrights etc...
Although these threads are good for a laugh though but nothing more... :)
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number6,
Well, maybe Mr. Kleperis got wind of the licensing through a contact at ITEC originally, and was directed from there. So maybe from his point of view it was okay to post the news item that was removed about it at the time, not knowing how everything having to do with Amiga today is required to involve a certain level of cloak-and-dagger. Then someone clarified that he really should refer to AInc. as the license provider and leave ITEC out of it.
Just saying, it could be fairly innocuous.
Is AInc. still a subsidiary of ITEC?
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If you're talking about the "executor of the estate" thing, I wondered about that myself. Who is the executor of Kouri's estate, do we know? I can't think of anyone else who that might refer to.
Anyway, I was kind of hoping you were referring to a post that appeared on moobunny this morning. :D
hmm...not the reaction I was expecting:
http://ttabvue.uspto.gov/ttabvue/ttabvue-91183272-OPP-23.pdf
Oh well...
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hmm...not the reaction I was expecting:
http://ttabvue.uspto.gov/ttabvue/ttabvue-91183272-OPP-23.pdf
Oh well...
#6
Yes, but what does it all MEAN, Basil?
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hmm...not the reaction I was expecting:
http://ttabvue.uspto.gov/ttabvue/ttabvue-91183272-OPP-23.pdf
Oh well...
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Guess I missed that! So AInc. settled with Cloanto? I wasn't even aware that they had filed against Cloanto, actually. What exactly is Serial No. 78/907083 anyway?
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Yes, but what does it all MEAN, Basil?
Dunno Cybil !!!
Even though that pdf looked short, I just can't be bothered reading any of these things anymore, it's far easier just to do what ever you want with the Amiga name cos at the end of the day who's gonna bother trying to sue everyone... :)
Mind you those lawyers have had and have a job for life with the silly buggers who still argue about it in courts, they're the only ones still making money from the Amiga these days... :(
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Well, as long as Hyperion is doing what they do, we can all forget about either AROS or MOS officially on AMIGA branded machines.
Oh how wrong you are.
Officially branded Commodore Amiga products featuring at least one of the aforementioned OS's are in the pipeline.
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Guess I missed that! So AInc. settled with Cloanto? I wasn't even aware that they had filed against Cloanto, actually. What exactly is Serial No. 78/907083 anyway?
This is just the latest paperwork filed. You can read the rest here:
http://ttabvue.uspto.gov/ttabvue/v?pno=91183272&pty=OPP
I'll leave the legal minded people to comment. Not my field, thankfully.
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Liked this bit... :)
12. WHEREFORE, Opposer prays that the Opposition be sustained and Application Serial No 78/907,083 be refused registration.
Seems like you don't just need a good lawyer, a firm believing in gawd almighty and a wee prayer is a must in Amiga legal cases... :D
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Liked this bit... :)
Seems like you don't just need a good lawyer, a firm believing in gawd almighty and a wee prayer is a must in Amiga legal cases... :D
Well Mehdi Ali is an apostate and look what happened to the company he ran (into the ground!) ;)
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Franko are you sick? You mean to say you are not going to pick a fight with anyone this time? :confused:
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I suggeted that a PowerPC phone that can run Amiga OS would be just the thing we want. He seems amenable.
Nope, that really wasn't on my list.
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AmigaOS has a rough enough time doing what it tries to do (poor browsers, etc) on the desktop hardware we have for it (SAM, etc).
Ship sailed long ago for a Amiga OS phone, much less a PPC powered one. Make an Amiga OS Android theme.
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I suggeted that a PowerPC phone that can run Amiga OS would be just the thing we want.
Who wants? Is there anything in the PPC stable that could even remotely contend with ARM based devices?
Then there's the software. Sorry, but I remember all too well the joys of cellphones running OS's that were simply unfit for purpose, the first gen smart phones running a hacked up version of Windows mobile (what used to be WinCE) were hateful devices, the palms weren't a whole lot nicer and the less said about Symbian the better.
What does a hacked up version of AmigaOS on a smartphone offer that Android, iOS or WebOS don't?
Amiga compatibility? AFAIK at least two of the three above mentioned OS's have UAE in their software repositories.
All I can see is the name. That alone I'm sorry to say is not nearly enough, for me, or anyone else who has half a brain.
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who wants? Is there anything in the ppc stable that could even remotely contend with arm based devices?
+1
then there's the software. Sorry, but i remember all too well the joys of cellphones running os's that were simply unfit for purpose, the first gen smart phones running a hacked up version of windows mobile (what used to be wince) were hateful devices, the palms weren't a whole lot nicer and the less said about symbian the better.
+1
what does a hacked up version of amigaos on a smartphone offer that android, ios or webos don't?
Amiga compatibility? Afaik at least two of the three above mentioned os's have uae in their software repositories.
All i can see is the name. That alone i'm sorry to say is not nearly enough, for me, or anyone else who has half a brain.
+1
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All I can see is the name. That alone I'm sorry to say is not nearly enough, for me, or anyone else who has half a brain.
Pretty much. I think (although I won't presume to know) that the thinking here is that if we could just get some Amiga-based or Amiga-inspired OS running on smart phones then that could totally pave the way for an Amiga rennaisance, being as it's the current "emerging computer market."
Unfortunately, as you point out, it really doesn't offer anything smart phones need that the other OSes don't provide as well or better, and (unless I'm greatly mistaken) the only Amiga-based OS that would run on most modern phone hardware is AROS, so MorphOS or AOS4 devotees would be SOL anyway unless someone were to come through with a PPC-based phone platform (is the PPC even remotely as efficient for mobile computing as ARM? I kinda doubt it.)
It's basically the same mistake the Web.It made, thinking that "niche retrocomputing compatibility" is the kind of killer app that could help a product gain a significant share of a completely unrelated (and, in the "web TV" market's case, completely retarded) market. The smart phone market doesn't work that way, even if iOS and Android didn't already have UAE. It's like I keep saying: the way to build a new Amiga platform is to build a new Amiga platform, not to hitch Amiga compatibility to an existing platform's wagon.
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Ben is probably a little pissed off right now. He spent all that time and money on OS4 and licensing names like "AmigaOne" when all he really had to do was license the name "Amiga" and slap it on some pre-manufactured products.
Yeah, given their history with Amiga, Inc. I would not blame them for not contacting or responding to anyone Amiga, Inc. licenses to.
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Pretty much. I think (although I won't presume to know) that the thinking here is that if we could just get some Amiga-based or Amiga-inspired OS running on smart phones then that could totally pave the way for an Amiga rennaisance, being as it's the current "emerging computer market."
Unfortunately, as you point out, it really doesn't offer anything smart phones need that the other OSes don't provide as well or better, and (unless I'm greatly mistaken) the only Amiga-based OS that would run on most modern phone hardware is AROS, so MorphOS or AOS4 devotees would be SOL anyway unless someone were to come through with a PPC-based phone platform (is the PPC even remotely as efficient for mobile computing as ARM? I kinda doubt it.)
It's basically the same mistake the Web.It made, thinking that "niche retrocomputing compatibility" is the kind of killer app that could help a product gain a significant share of a completely unrelated (and, in the "web TV" market's case, completely retarded) market. The smart phone market doesn't work that way, even if iOS and Android didn't already have UAE. It's like I keep saying: the way to build a new Amiga platform is to build a new Amiga platform, not to hitch Amiga compatibility to an existing platform's wagon.
As bloodline said:
+1
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Yet another decision:
http://ttabvue.uspto.gov/ttabvue/v?pno=91175664&pty=OPP&eno=1
and direct link:
http://ttabvue.uspto.gov/ttabvue/ttabvue-91175664-OPP-40.pdf
Courtesy: http://twitter.com/freeamiga
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Pardon my mood and imagery, but it's how I've come to see things lately....
What we have now is an undead beast with multiple tails flailing in every direction without a focused coherent consciousness to guide it.
It's as if Amiga died, the body was consumed by earth worms, and now all of those gorged mindless creatures are wiggling in all their own directions.
I find no sense in it all any more except what is the inherent self preservation instinct built in to each worm. What was Amiga is now just a memory of exhumed and consumed remains.
By the way, earthworms are very good for fertile soil.
Plaz
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Pardon my mood and imagery, but it's how I've come to see things lately....
What we have now is an undead beast with multiple tails flailing in every direction without a focused coherent consciousness to guide it.
It's as if Amiga died, the body was consumed by earth worms, and now all of those gorged mindless creatures are wiggling in all their own directions.
I find no sense in it all any more except what is the inherent self preservation instinct built in to each worm. What was Amiga is now just a memory of exhumed and consumed remains.
By the way, earthworms are very good for fertile soil.
Plaz
That is a seriously creepy analogy.
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That is a seriously creepy analogy.
Tis a bit... :nervous:
Let's play Spot The Serial Killer... :eek:
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Let's play Spot The Serial Killer... :eek:
Smart money's on the notorious "Mad Scotsman."
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Tis a bit... :nervous:
Let's play Spot The Serial Killer... :eek:
See Spot kill, kill Spot kill....
(http://caricatureman.typepad.com/.a/6a01053565ae9f970b010536f5e9a6970c-800wi)
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I suggeted that a PowerPC phone that can run Amiga OS would be just the thing we want. He seems amenable.
Again with the PowerPC :rolleyes: FFS...The very name has PeeCee in it :lol:
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Again with the PowerPC :rolleyes: FFS...The very name has PeeCee in it :lol:
Fugeddabout it - lets port MorphOS/AOS4 to SPARC! There's a chip with a real future :lol:
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Wow! That descended into chaos quickly, didn't it?
Back onto topic - I've been trying to get Todd talking with Rogue. I emailed Rogue, who told me that to his knowledge Todd hadn't tried to contact Hyperion.
So I gave Rogue's email to Todd, who told me that Rogue never got back to him. That seems strange - he replied to me within seconds.
And in response to the quwery - no, I'm not CEO of anything. Like I said, I started by having a go at iContain, but Todd has convinced me that he deserves to be given a chance. Not sure why he didn't get a reply from Rogue.
I've just got visions of an Amiga phone in my head. I'm starting to find my Nokia N97 Mini annoying ...
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All the Amiga needs now is the right spokemodel and her disgrace will be complete.
http://amigairc.amigarevolution.com/kiki.html
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So I gave Rogue's email to Todd, who told me that Rogue never got back to him. That seems strange - he replied to me within seconds.
No, really? I'm shocked I tells ya!
Not sure why he didn't get a reply from Rogue.
Because working for one set of muppets is enough in any given career.
I've just got visions of an Amiga phone in my head. I'm starting to find my Nokia N97 Mini annoying ...
You think your N97 is annoying? Try running an OS that wasn't designed with the hardware in mind, lacking features even Symbian supports and a software catalogue that is completely inappropriate for the form factor.
Even if by some miracle you managed to shoehorn AmigaOS into a phone, you realise that the development time you're talking about realistically will be measured in years, right? And that's even before we get to the issue of building a complete new software set and infrastructure.
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Let's play Spot The Serial Killer... :eek:
:roflmao:
Nah, you're just mistakenly misreading my hopeless frustration as something else... but thanks for the laugh.
With the light of a new day, I'll give a less creeped response....
Amiga could be many things, but now that it seems to have become so hopelessly fractured I see little or no hope of anything commercially successful. With that in mind, why do all of these players keep tossing money and effort in only to multiply the problem and further lessen their chance at success.... no sense to it.
Has there been any profitable businesses directly related to Amiga/Amiga OS in the past 10 years? Cloanto maybe? Any others? Everyone else just seems to be burning money. We'll see what iContain and CUSA can do in this next year. If they drag on longer than that, I don't feel much hope for them either. Ah well, back to watching the soap opera
Plaz
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Wow! That descended into chaos quickly, didn't it?
Back onto topic - I've been trying to get Todd talking with Rogue. I emailed Rogue, who told me that to his knowledge Todd hadn't tried to contact Hyperion.
So I gave Rogue's email to Todd, who told me that Rogue never got back to him. That seems strange - he replied to me within seconds.
And in response to the quwery - no, I'm not CEO of anything. Like I said, I started by having a go at iContain, but Todd has convinced me that he deserves to be given a chance. Not sure why he didn't get a reply from Rogue.
I've just got visions of an Amiga phone in my head. I'm starting to find my Nokia N97 Mini annoying ...
Not that this means anything, but does Amiga Inc.even have a public statement that they've completed a licensing agreement with Todd?
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Wow! That descended into chaos quickly, didn't it?
Back onto topic - I've been trying to get Todd talking with Rogue. I emailed Rogue, who told me that to his knowledge Todd hadn't tried to contact Hyperion.
So I gave Rogue's email to Todd, who told me that Rogue never got back to him. That seems strange - he replied to me within seconds.
And in response to the quwery - no, I'm not CEO of anything. Like I said, I started by having a go at iContain, but Todd has convinced me that he deserves to be given a chance. Not sure why he didn't get a reply from Rogue.
I've just got visions of an Amiga phone in my head. I'm starting to find my Nokia N97 Mini annoying ...
I have to call BS on this one. At various times over the years I've emailed Hyperion, including both Friedens and also Ben Hermans, from disposable email addresses as well as my legitimate email, with perfectly legitimate and courteous questions. I've never once ever gotten any kind of response.