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Title: To hell with it.
Post by: runequester on February 09, 2011, 04:46:44 AM
I realize I have been contributing to this mess myself, so I am going to withdraw from the CUSA gibbering and leave it alone.

I post on amiga.org for stuff regarding my classic miggy and the use thereof. I gave up on the next gen stuff as the red vs blue stuff is obnoxious, and AROS seems to insist on not working on my PC. I'll keep checking it every so often, and hopefully some day, it'll work :)
Life without the drama is life better enjoyed.

Nothing good is coming out of the CUSA threads. If they end up shipping a product, we'll see then. For now, I am unsubscribing the threads and I am out.


As a few people have said they enjoy the threads I start, I'll get back to some classic amiga stuff tomorrow. Not sure if it'll be games or something else.
Title: Re: To hell with it.
Post by: XDelusion on February 09, 2011, 04:54:12 AM
Ya, but you got to admit, it's been some great pointless fun! :)
Title: Re: To hell with it.
Post by: runequester on February 09, 2011, 04:55:10 AM
Quote from: XDelusion;614259
Ya, but you got to admit, it's been some great pointless fun! :)


Some of it has, but its time for me to leave it alone :)
Title: Re: To hell with it.
Post by: Franko on February 09, 2011, 04:55:35 AM
Quote from: runequester;614256
As a few people have said they enjoy the threads I start, I'll get back to some classic amiga stuff tomorrow. Not sure if it'll be games or something else.


Make the thread about anything, anything at all as long it has nothing to do with you know what... pleeeeese... :)
Title: Re: To hell with it.
Post by: runequester on February 09, 2011, 05:01:52 AM
I had an idea to do a thread talking about the amiga FPS games since they fascinate me. I know you did videos recently, so I figured some text comparisons might be interesting.

We'll see. I've been playing Testament 2 a lot lately :)
Title: Re: To hell with it.
Post by: XDelusion on February 09, 2011, 05:03:55 AM
I'm burned out on it too. The obvious, both good and bad, has been pointed out time and time again through the medium of comedy, and sadly some straight up serious hate, so I think the best option is to cancel the show all together before ratings begin to plummet.


Besides, I need to spend time at home learning how to get the Monkey Island Talkie code implemented into the ScummVM source.
Title: Re: To hell with it.
Post by: XDelusion on February 09, 2011, 05:06:55 AM
Testament 2. I've been meaning to get to those for so long, but currently I'm playing through Ultima VII on MorphOS.
Title: Re: To hell with it.
Post by: runequester on February 09, 2011, 05:07:55 AM
Quote from: XDelusion;614265
Testament 2. I've been meaning to get to those for so long, but currently I'm playing through Ultima VII on MorphOS.

Testament is very much a wolfenstein clone, but once you play it a bit, its really fun, and it runs super smooth even in full screen on my 030/50.

The second one is also bloody endless it seems. Im pretty sure Im 20 levels in, and no end in sight
Title: Re: To hell with it.
Post by: Franko on February 09, 2011, 05:10:15 AM
Quote from: runequester;614263
I had an idea to do a thread talking about the amiga FPS games since they fascinate me. I know you did videos recently, so I figured some text comparisons might be interesting.

We'll see. I've been playing Testament 2 a lot lately :)


Anything that'll brighten the place up a wee bit and let me get back my old cheerful self again would be most welcomed, kinda bored with all the arguing and the nonsense here lately (although some of it was fun) and it would be nice to get back to some interesting but funny nonsense stuff again... :)
Title: Re: To hell with it.
Post by: DonnyEMU on February 09, 2011, 05:10:31 AM
Hey if you thought this is crazy.. Check this out..

Sinclair has returned..

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/video-games/8304237/ZX-Spectrum-relaunch-gaming-goes-back-to-the-future.html
Title: Re: To hell with it.
Post by: XDelusion on February 09, 2011, 05:13:24 AM
I remember Testament playing super smooth on my 1200 back in the day. I loved it, but never completed it as I wasn't as good at FPS as I am now a days.

 I really wish I could find a copy of Citadel that would work with my 1200. Seems like every processor I've thrown at it fails.
Title: Re: To hell with it.
Post by: SysAdmin on February 09, 2011, 05:15:29 AM
Quote from: DonnyEMU;614270
Hey if you thought this is crazy.. Check this out..

Sinclair has returned..

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/video-games/8304237/ZX-Spectrum-relaunch-gaming-goes-back-to-the-future.html



Where is the company called SpeccyUSA? We could flood the threads with news about them.

:roflmao:
Title: Re: To hell with it.
Post by: runequester on February 09, 2011, 05:16:49 AM
Quote from: XDelusion;614271
I remember Testament playing super smooth on my 1200 back in the day. I loved it, but never completed it as I wasn't as good at FPS as I am now a days.

 I really wish I could find a copy of Citadel that would work with my 1200. Seems like every processor I've thrown at it fails.

I can never get the HD install to actually...well...install.

The other one I'd love to play is Project Intercalaris but my Polish is not so much.

I guess Im a sucker for these games. I didn't even think Fears was all that bad :)


Quote from: Transition;614272
Where is the company called SpeccyUSA? We could flood the threads with news about them.

:roflmao:

*O#R*#_#_
Title: Re: To hell with it.
Post by: Franko on February 09, 2011, 05:16:54 AM
Quote from: Transition;614272
Where is the company called SpeccyUSA? We could flood the threads with news about them.

:roflmao:


Drat... beat me to it... :(
Title: Re: To hell with it.
Post by: TheBilgeRat on February 09, 2011, 05:17:51 AM
Quote from: Transition;614272
Where is the company called SpeccyUSA? We could flood the threads with news about them.

:roflmao:


Oh geez!  :lol:
Title: Re: To hell with it.
Post by: Franko on February 09, 2011, 05:18:56 AM
Quote from: runequester;614273
I didn't even think Fears was all that bad :)


I prefered Gloom Deluxe & AB3D, reckon these two were the best of their kind on the miggie... :)
Title: Re: To hell with it.
Post by: coldfish on February 09, 2011, 05:23:07 AM
...and yet there's the 1000 pound Elephant in the corner of the room.  ;)
Title: Re: To hell with it.
Post by: Darrin on February 09, 2011, 05:26:06 AM
Quote from: Transition;614272
Where is the company called SpeccyUSA? We could flood the threads with news about them.

:roflmao:


I'd like to see them try and cram a PC mobo into a ZX81 case!  :D

Hmmm... a Minimig might just fit!
Title: Re: To hell with it.
Post by: XDelusion on February 09, 2011, 05:30:16 AM
I've never heard of Project Intercalaris, though I have played some Fears and loved it!

AB 3D was another I really enjoyed. Of course there is Breathless, and last but not least Genetic Species!!!!!!!!! AMAZING work of art!

It's a shame MorphOS does not seem to want to support the sound so I can play through Shogo.
Title: Re: To hell with it.
Post by: Franko on February 09, 2011, 05:32:57 AM
Alien Breed 3D on my A1200... :)

[youtube]j5hayaoXbgw[/youtube]

Gloom Deluxe on my A1200... :)

[youtube]Xzl8nLSB_2Y[/youtube]

Porn & Filth not on my A1200... :)

[youtube]Id_kGL3M5Cg[/youtube]
Title: Re: To hell with it.
Post by: runequester on February 09, 2011, 06:19:52 AM
Quote from: Franko;614276
I prefered Gloom Deluxe & AB3D, reckon these two were the best of their kind on the miggie... :)


Alien Breed 3D is amazing and I finally finished Gloom :)

Big shout outs too, to Breathless and Genetic Species.

Quote from: Coldfish

...and yet there's the 1000 pound Elephant in the corner of the room.  


Do you mean Doom you cheeky bastard? :)

I actually do occasionally play Doom on my 1200. My friends are amazed it runs better than it did back in the day on their 386's :)
Title: Re: To hell with it.
Post by: XDelusion on February 09, 2011, 06:21:34 AM
I live and breathe DOOM. And sometime in the future, you'll see just how literal I am when I say this. :)
Title: Re: To hell with it.
Post by: Pyromania on February 09, 2011, 06:24:19 AM
Someone post a video of Project Intercalaris please.
Title: Re: To hell with it.
Post by: Franko on February 09, 2011, 06:24:36 AM
Quote from: runequester;614299
Alien Breed 3D is amazing and I finally finished Gloom :)


Tee hee... told you it was easy, you were just trying too hard the first time... :)
Title: Re: To hell with it.
Post by: Pyromania on February 09, 2011, 06:42:28 AM
Quote from: Franko;614303
Tee hee... told you it was easy, you were just trying too hard the first time... :)


That is what Amiga.org is all about.


:)


Amiga fun and discussion.
Title: Re: To hell with it.
Post by: Retro_71 on February 09, 2011, 07:11:24 AM
After looking at Franko's vids i really got to get my A1200 Fixed up so i can start playing these games. I know my sons have been nagging me to play the Amiga's (there 9 and 6) and yes i have brain washed them... hehehehe
Title: Re: To hell with it.
Post by: coldfish on February 09, 2011, 07:19:15 AM
Quote from: runequester;614299
[snip]

Do you mean Doom you cheeky bastard? :)

I actually do occasionally play Doom on my 1200. My friends are amazed it runs better than it did back in the day on their 386's :)


I first played it on a friends 386 and knew my beloved A500 was past its prime.

AB3D wasnt too bad on the A1200.
Title: Re: To hell with it.
Post by: runequester on February 09, 2011, 07:30:07 AM
Quote from: coldfish;614310
I first played it on a friends 386 and knew my beloved A500 was past its prime.

AB3D wasnt too bad on the A1200.


On my ACA 030/56 card, Doomattack runs really good. What made a lot of people give up on their miggy's for these sort of games was running them on unexpanded 1200s I think.
Nobody in the PC world expected a 286 to run Doom, but us amiga users were used to our humble little 7mhz machine pulling off miracles :)
Title: Re: To hell with it.
Post by: fishy_fiz on February 09, 2011, 07:55:05 AM
I wish this damn smegger I got the '040 from would hurry up and send it. Im really looking forward to getting into some of the amiga fps games I missed, or just glanced over back in the day. Until it arrives Im stuck with a stock a1200, which while still lots of fun doesnt really cut it for some stuff, fps'ers being amongst them. I can already run out of ram for my 2d paint program, and it's only 2 or so weeks old  :)

Ive never played Testament2, and only played the cu amiga cd demo of Testament1 from a few years back. Trapped2 is something else I'd like to get back into one day. I played a demo, again from CU Amiga Magazine some years back, and quite enjoyed it. Very impressive engine too. "Real" 3d, nice realtime lighting effect, and faster than a lot of amiga fps games on the same hardware. I played the demo on a 50mhz blizz mk4 '030 back in the day, and while it required a medium sized game window it was still quite playable.
Title: Re: To hell with it.
Post by: Franko on February 09, 2011, 07:58:30 AM
Quote from: Pyromania;614305
That is what Amiga.org is all about.


:)


Amiga fun and discussion.


I did start to type a rather long post in reply to you here but it ended up like a bumper sized edition of War & Peace with all three volumes of Lord Of The Rings thrown in, so after reading it I thought to meself "haud yer hoarses ya whahoo ye whit ra feck ur ye typein awe ris jobbies fur ya dunderheed ye, who gives a keech anywie an whit ra hell diz any o it matter at ra end o ra day", so instead I'll just say... ;)
Title: Re: To hell with it.
Post by: jj on February 09, 2011, 10:25:30 AM
I like the way you started a thread about it saying you were not starting anymore threads about it  :)
Title: Re: To hell with it.
Post by: persia on February 09, 2011, 02:25:45 PM
Exactly, as each person enters or exits the conversation about C=USA they *must* post a thread about it!

Quote from: JJ;614338
I like the way you started a thread about it saying you were not starting anymore threads about it  :)
Title: Re: To hell with it.
Post by: coldfish on February 09, 2011, 03:38:33 PM
Quote from: runequester;614313
On my ACA 030/56 card, Doomattack runs really good. What made a lot of people give up on their miggy's for these sort of games was running them on unexpanded 1200s I think.
Nobody in the PC world expected a 286 to run Doom, but us amiga users were used to our humble little 7mhz machine pulling off miracles :)


Yeah, at least the Amiga was something you didnt have to upgrade every five minutes.  And the A500 was silly expensive to upgrade anyway.  That platform got milked for almost 10 years, something a lot of other platforms would be envious of.  But the advent of 3D gaming and fast 16M colour 2D had the A500 showing its age, sadly.

PC users were used to upgrading their machines often and fairly cheaply.  When I got an A1200 It opened up inexpensive upgrades.  I got a 030@40Mhz card with 64MB and 68882 and was satisfied with that for a long time, but the flow of software eventually slowed to a trickle and a PPC upgrade wasnt good value to me, hence I defected.  ;)
Title: Re: To hell with it.
Post by: zipper on February 09, 2011, 04:00:39 PM
Quote from: XDelusion;614271
I really wish I could find a copy of Citadel that would work with my 1200. Seems like every processor I've thrown at it fails.

Have you tried the Back2roots version? (the win32 version works fine for me...)
The WHDLoad installer supports:
SUPPORTED VERSION:
- english version published by Black Legend (supported by Jeff)
- poland version "Cytadela" (supported by Krzysztof Zeglen)
Title: Re: To hell with it.
Post by: runequester on February 09, 2011, 05:13:13 PM
Quote from: JJ;614338
I like the way you started a thread about it saying you were not starting anymore threads about it  :)


hah, touche good sir
Title: Re: To hell with it.
Post by: runequester on February 09, 2011, 05:29:31 PM
Quote from: coldfish;614401
Yeah, at least the Amiga was something you didnt have to upgrade every five minutes.  And the A500 was silly expensive to upgrade anyway.  That platform got milked for almost 10 years, something a lot of other platforms would be envious of.  But the advent of 3D gaming and fast 16M colour 2D had the A500 showing its age, sadly.

PC users were used to upgrading their machines often and fairly cheaply.  When I got an A1200 It opened up inexpensive upgrades.  I got a 030@40Mhz card with 64MB and 68882 and was satisfied with that for a long time, but the flow of software eventually slowed to a trickle and a PPC upgrade wasnt good value to me, hence I defected.  ;)


I think a lot of it too was the original cost of the machine. Paying 500 dollars to upgrade a 600 dollar amiga seemed very steep, while 500 dollars to upgrade a 1300 dollar PC seemed pretty reasonable.
Title: Re: To hell with it.
Post by: desiv on February 09, 2011, 07:10:33 PM
Quote from: runequester;614425
I think a lot of it too was the original cost of the machine. Paying 500 dollars to upgrade a 600 dollar amiga seemed very steep, while 500 dollars to upgrade a 1300 dollar PC seemed pretty reasonable.

That was basically it for me..
Also, it was cheaper than that for me to get my first 486.
At the time, there was a thriving "upgrade your PC" market, and I would help people upgrade, and frequently get the leftovers.
So, I had no problem getting a case, PSU, hard disk, even a VGA monitor (bad cable, I fixed that) for free...
All I have to buy was a motherboard and CPU, so I was able to get my first "doomable" PC (486, I had older PCs before that) for under $200.

Upgrading my Amiga at the time would have been something like $400-$500 for the accelerator, and then I still had to add memory...
(I can't remember, but I know when I looked, it was something I couldn't afford at the time..)

And that would have been so I could run a few games better, but most didn't get any improvement from it.

desiv
Title: Re: To hell with it.
Post by: Khephren on February 09, 2011, 08:42:15 PM
The thing I liked about the Amiga (and to some extent, consoles)  was the fixed, but exploitable hardware, encouraging artists/programmers to improve their skills, rather just expecting users to upgrade.
constant need to upgrade is why I stopped playing PC games. now consoles are dictating the pace, i find myself using the PC a bit more for games.
saying that though, the A1200 spec was to low at lauch to stick with for 5 years.
Title: Re: To hell with it.
Post by: JC on February 09, 2011, 09:05:50 PM
Quote from: Franko;614276
I prefered Gloom Deluxe & AB3D, reckon these two were the best of their kind on the miggie... :)


Gloom was fun but Breathless was fantastic.
Title: Re: To hell with it.
Post by: Digiman on February 09, 2011, 10:23:46 PM
Quote from: desiv;614442


Upgrading my Amiga at the time would have been something like $400-$500 for the accelerator, and then I still had to add memory...
(I can't remember, but I know when I looked, it was something I couldn't afford at the time..)

And that would have been so I could run a few games better, but most didn't get any improvement from it.

desiv


Bingo.

For PC
New VGA card = 256 colour games. New CPU = ALL games from Elite to Super Stardust are faster and smoother. New sound card = better music/SFX.

For Amiga
Need 256 colours? Go buy a NEW and TOO SLOW A1200
Buy 24bit card = only supported by serious software.
Buy an accelerator = 3D games in same dodgy 8 colours run faster...everything else like Xenon II is still rubbish and slow and pathetic
Buy a 16bit/12bit sound card = sample playback for music work...same 4 channel 8 bit sound in all games.

This is why months after buying an A1200 people refused to pay £700 for an 060 to play badly ported arcade games just as badly etc from the OCS/ECS days. Nothing improved number of sound channels either etc. Or gave you chunky screen mode for super fast 256 colour graphics needed for Doom.

And the £1000 A4000/030 was barely faster than the A1200+Blizzard 1220/4 card...but cost £500 MORE than said A1200+28mhz 020 accelerator. Arcade games still were inferior to multiparallax Sega/Nintendo £100 console too.

A4000/040 at £2000 = forget it unless you are just doing serious work (Although 4000/030 + 060 Blizz/Cyb card was the smart choice really)

And so endeth the discussion on why we didn't upgrade our A1200s anyway and why 486 PCs for £600 in 1994 capable of running full screen Doom with 16bit SFX were outselling the A4000/030 which couldn't even trounce a SNES/Megadrive let alone £350 A1200 + £100 for 4mb fast RAM AKA 16mhz 386 PC speeds.

But that's all because OCS <---7 years--->AGA was too long before an update and still the sound was the same and so was the bloody blitter!! I didn't like PC but they had a better value for money experience when upgrading their machines.
Title: Re: To hell with it.
Post by: Franko on February 09, 2011, 10:56:08 PM
Been busy today... :)

Just thought I'd stop by and say...

Wheeeee.... :)
Title: Re: To hell with it.
Post by: runequester on February 09, 2011, 11:54:51 PM
alright guys, enough with the PC's :)
any requests for a thread topic before tonight?
 
otherwise its gonna be the FPS games
Title: Re: To hell with it.
Post by: Digiman on February 10, 2011, 12:20:37 AM
Was talking about why gamers (500/1200 owners) didn't spend truckloads on RTG/PPC upgrades myself ;)
Title: Re: To hell with it.
Post by: Kesa on February 10, 2011, 12:26:40 AM
Why is A.org so warm and fuzzy all of a sudden? It feels like we have had a big argument and have just made up so everyones being nice to everyone :)
Title: Re: To hell with it.
Post by: Franko on February 10, 2011, 12:33:06 AM
Quote from: Kesa;614503
Why is A.org so warm and fuzzy all of a sudden? It feels like we have had a big argument and have just made up so everyones being nice to everyone :)

;)
Title: Re: To hell with it.
Post by: Kesa on February 10, 2011, 01:02:08 AM
Franko! i just saw your youtube videos. That accent is almost impossible to understand. Was the commentary before or after your meds? :)
Title: Re: To hell with it.
Post by: Franko on February 10, 2011, 01:06:22 AM
Quote from: Kesa;614514
Franko! i just saw your youtube videos. That accent is almost impossible to understand. Was the commentary before or after your meds? :)


ach naw rats jist ra wie whay talk roon rees parts, it's dead easy tae understaun wance yuv hid a couple o swallies an it's aways guid fur makin a few boab aff ra tourists at ra Embra festival durin ra summer... :)
Title: Re: To hell with it.
Post by: coldfish on February 10, 2011, 02:08:01 AM
Back on topic (sort of).

I left the Amiga scene around the time all the FPS's were made.  Years later, after owning a PS1 and PC I bought an A1200 and played through a lot of the things I missed.

THB, most Amiga FPS seemed a bit clumsy/unsophisticated to me, either in the gfx or gameplay compared to what I'd played on those other platforms.  

I think Breathless stood out as something on par with what the PS1 could do, this was pretty impressive as the PS1 was built for 3D and the Amiga wasnt. The A1200 probably should've had a 25-40Mhz '030 as standard.
Title: Re: To hell with it.
Post by: runequester on February 10, 2011, 02:56:06 AM
Quote from: coldfish;614527
Back on topic (sort of).
 
I left the Amiga scene around the time all the FPS's were made. Years later, after owning a PS1 and PC I bought an A1200 and played through a lot of the things I missed.
 
THB, most Amiga FPS seemed a bit clumsy/unsophisticated to me, either in the gfx or gameplay compared to what I'd played on those other platforms.
 
I think Breathless stood out as something on par with what the PS1 could do, this was pretty impressive as the PS1 was built for 3D and the Amiga wasnt. The A1200 probably should've had a 25-40Mhz '030 as standard.

Yeah, some of them are pretty cheesy :)
I have an unhealthy enjoyment of them though.
 
I'd actually say Breathless, at least graphically, looked nicer than Medal of Honor. Much bigger levels too.
 
 
In the end though, 15some years later, we can enjoy them on their own :)
Title: Re: To hell with it.
Post by: coldfish on February 10, 2011, 03:00:34 AM
Like Bruce Campbell movies.  Cheesy but enjoyable.
Title: Re: To hell with it.
Post by: runequester on February 10, 2011, 04:12:11 AM
Quote from: coldfish;614543
Like Bruce Campbell movies.  Cheesy but enjoyable.


Pretty much yeah :)
Title: Re: To hell with it.
Post by: fishy_fiz on February 10, 2011, 04:19:51 AM
While it is good to have eventually gotten some games that assume a person has at least a moderately upgraded aga machine, I find it a shame that there were no games that required an expanded aga machine that played to it's strengths rather than copying the trends elsewhere. A '030 based aga machine with 8 meg fast (as a random example) couldve been much closer to saturn/ps1/3do/pc quality than megadrive/snes had it been used to its strengths. Who knows, maybe one day we'll still see something like that :)
Title: Re: To hell with it.
Post by: fishy_fiz on February 10, 2011, 04:20:47 AM
Oh, and speaking of Bruce Campbell, if anyone wants to know what it's like to be on drugs, without actually having to do them, just watch Bubba Ho-Tep.   :)
Title: Re: To hell with it.
Post by: coldfish on February 10, 2011, 06:22:40 AM
I loved Bubba Ho-Tep 1. If you liked that, watch My Name is Bruce.

On your first point; the A500 being the target platform for 99% of games is a real problem if you have something with better specs.
 
I was a bit frustrated once I had a moderately upgraded A1200 to find very little (any?) AAA titles that used my hardware.  For games, it was really not much better than owning an A500 apart from the FPS stuff.
Title: Re: To hell with it.
Post by: runequester on February 10, 2011, 06:23:51 AM
Quote from: coldfish;614584
I loved Bubba Ho-Tep 1. If you liked that, watch My Name is Bruce.

On your first point; the A500 being the target platform for 99% of games is a real problem if you have something with better specs.
 
I was a bit frustrated once I had a moderately upgraded A1200 to find very little (any?) AAA titles that used my hardware.  For games, it was really not much better than owning an A500 apart from the FPS stuff.


yeah, game developers were really to blame there.
Title: Re: To hell with it.
Post by: coldfish on February 10, 2011, 06:35:53 AM
I guess there wasnt room on the OCS/ECS floppy for AGA enhanced code, and anyway it would've been more work for a fraction of the market.  Still, for an eye candy junky, like me it wouldve been nice to see more sprites, rotation, scaling, transparancy effects in games.
Title: Re: To hell with it.
Post by: runequester on February 10, 2011, 07:54:04 AM
Quote from: coldfish;614587
I guess there wasnt room on the OCS/ECS floppy for AGA enhanced code, and anyway it would've been more work for a fraction of the market.  Still, for an eye candy junky, like me it wouldve been nice to see more sprites, rotation, scaling, transparancy effects in games.


It seems better/more sound effects was more common, but that was more a function of more RAM than anything else.
Title: Re: To hell with it.
Post by: desiv on February 10, 2011, 04:08:45 PM
Quote from: runequester;614588
It seems better/more sound effects was more common, but that was more a function of more RAM than anything else.
It's interesting that, in general, PC developers didn't feel the same way.
They pretty consistantly developed at hardware that wasn't common, basically forcing people to upgrade to really enjoy their games.

And it worked..

There wasn't a huge CDROM market on PCs when Myst and 7th Guest were released..  a lot of people bought CDROMs just for that..
(Well, and the Groliers Encyclopedia that I got with my first 1x CDROM ;-)

But they got you in small increments..  
A video card was, generally (there were always the high end, but) $200.
Sound card, less than $200.  CDROM, less than $200.  Faster CPU, less than $200, etc..

But, to upgrade the Amiga, it was:
Accelerator/RAM, $500.
CDRom (for the 1200, would have been something like the Squirrel PCMCIA and an external CDROM) for .. something much more than $200...

Just, on the Amiga, the chunks were too huge..

PCs got me a smaller chunk at a time..
(I hope you appreciate that I didn't do a really bad CHUNK/CHUNKY2PLANAR joke here...  I was considering it... :) )

Actually, if there was something like WHDLOAD at the time, that would have been a huge reason to upgrade..  The ability to put your games on the Hard Drive (a lot of which were "floppy only") AND not have to reboot to exit them?  That "might" have been worth the cost of an accelerator/RAM at the time..  If I could have scraped it up (College Student then..)..

desiv
Title: Re: To hell with it.
Post by: runequester on February 10, 2011, 04:35:01 PM
I dont remember costs being quite that cheap, but some of that depends on location too,I imagine. I grew up in Denmark, and our first PC was about 1300 US dollars, for a piece of crap in 98.

Your point stands though.


Apologies people for not starting a thread last night. Work kind of killed me :(
Title: Re: To hell with it.
Post by: coldfish on February 11, 2011, 02:10:19 AM
My first PC was a used 386 for $200.  A love/hate sort of thing so I didnt want to blow too much cash on a PC.

I soon got hooked on the incremental upgrade/tweak cycle, (loads of cheap used parts) 486DX board for $30, 8x as much RAM $20, bigger HD $10...  in the end that machine booted Win3.1 in about 5 seconds and was fast and stable and I actually liked using it.  AND to stay on topic, after the board and RAM swap FPS's flew; from 16-20 to 90+ frames per second, it was a massive visible upgrade.

To get similar for my A500 wouldve cost $1000+.
Title: Re: To hell with it.
Post by: runequester on February 11, 2011, 04:46:04 AM
Quote from: coldfish;614744
My first PC was a used 386 for $200.  A love/hate sort of thing so I didnt want to blow too much cash on a PC.

I soon got hooked on the incremental upgrade/tweak cycle, (loads of cheap used parts) 486DX board for $30, 8x as much RAM $20, bigger HD $10...  in the end that machine booted Win3.1 in about 5 seconds and was fast and stable and I actually liked using it.  AND to stay on topic, after the board and RAM swap FPS's flew; from 16-20 to 90+ frames per second, it was a massive visible upgrade.

To get similar for my A500 wouldve cost $1000+.


yeah, second hand helps. In hindsight, with the time Ive spent with an 030 lately, I wish I had gotten that on a 1200 rather than switch to a PC when I did :)

Not trying to bicker with you btw. Your experiences are just as valid as mine, just interesting to me that we ended up with different experiences.

Today at least, hardware is cheap even for brand new stuff, and with linux, there's finally something out there that isn't concerned with whether I am doing something MS/Apple doesn't want me to.

But maybe thats an entirely different thread :)

Unrelated but because its cool.. On a whim, I set up Ibrowse to use RAM as cache instead of the hard drive, and its moving a lot nicer now. Dont imagine I'll ever max out the 64 megs of RAM I have now, so its all good.

Getting kinda used to downloading files to RAM too, and then unpacking them to wherever they are supposed to go. Good stuff
Title: Re: To hell with it.
Post by: fishy_fiz on February 11, 2011, 06:13:35 AM
Personally I went against the grain and held out in getting a PC for a while. All my friends around me, and my brother went pc, but rather than jump ship I instead started upgrading my Amiga instead. This wasnt due to any particular overt loyaly, but rather the simple fact that I still enjoyed the amiga, and it's software was different to what was found elsewhere, and I had plenty of pcs around me at the time so could use one whenever I wanted to. I was tempted to go pc earlier, mostly due to the fact I was always a big fan of emulation, and a pc was a much better experience for that (mostly). Eventually when the pentium200mmx cpu's were released I decided to jump onboard. Around this time things were pretty glum in the amiga world, with very few bits of new software available, so I started using a pc more and more. After a few years (Win)UAE had progressed nicely, and pc hardware was powerful enough to replace my aging 68030 based a1200, so being skint for a $, decided to sell my amiga. For a few years I was pc only, and my amiga usage was soley through Winuae. Upgrade by upgrade I convinced myself that this was the way to go, after all a real 68k amiga didnt have anything like the raw speed available via Winuae, and I got "freebies" like rtg and rta thrown in for "free". After a while the amiga side of things became my most used aspect of the pc and my upgrades where in part decided by what would improve the amiga side of things more.

Enter Amithlon.

This really changed my computing world. No longer would I require Windows to get my fast amiga + rtg + rta, etc. fix. And considerably faster than Winuae as well. However at the time pc hardware wasnt fast enough to run 68k uae on the emulated 68k cpu in amithlon in a way I was content with. OCS/ECS stuff was fine, full framerate, but aga stuff was only 1/2way there (ironically a similar situation to os4.x today (which is a bit sad considering I experienced this about 10 years ago on an emulated cpu)). Because of this I decided to get myself an a1200 again and slowly but surely upgraded it (bppc/grex/voodoo3/sb128/etc). At the time however it barely got used as I'd grown used to using pcs and thier ways of doing things, and the raw grunt of amithlon was soooo much better at this. Eventually the a1200 died and I went back to soley amithlon for a while with occasionaly trying to use a dedicated Winuae box instead (never was happy with it despite taking the concept about as far as it can go (less than 100meg for windows side, booting straight into amiga os,etc.).

Finally, just a month or so ago I decided to get myself a classic amiga again, and Im having an absoulte blast. I was so concerned with competeing with the outside world for so long that I'd forgotten to appreciate the amiga for itself, warts and all. This time around I find Im using the classic more than amithlon/os3.9 and pretty quickly found an '040 accelerator (which Im still waiting on) to make the experience a little more flexible. I still really enjoy amithlon/os3.9, but Ive rediscovered the charms of real amiga hardware too moreso than I have in probably a decade. The 2 (amithlon/a1200) complement each other very well, and I couldnt be happier :) (well, I guess when my '040 card arrives I'll be a little happier)  :)

Anyway, sorry for the long winded, mostly pointless post, it just seemed to fit in with the last few posts of this, seemingly mostly random thread :)
Title: Re: To hell with it.
Post by: runequester on February 11, 2011, 06:22:58 AM
Nice story, and don't worry, this thread is pretty random, and that is totally okay :)
Title: Re: To hell with it.
Post by: ElPolloDiabl on February 11, 2011, 07:37:26 AM
I went to Classic Mac (040 256 color) before I went to PC (Pentium 100 24-bit S3 Virge graphics card). Up until about 2000 I still used the A1200 about 50% of the time. After that I found WinUAE more convenient and used Windows software a lot more too, so the 1200 went into storage.
Title: Re: To hell with it.
Post by: coldfish on February 11, 2011, 09:07:24 AM
Quote from: runequester;614763
yeah, second hand helps. In hindsight, with the time Ive spent with an 030 lately, I wish I had gotten that on a 1200 rather than switch to a PC when I did :)

Not trying to bicker with you btw. Your experiences are just as valid as mine, just interesting to me that we ended up with different experiences.

Today at least, hardware is cheap even for brand new stuff, and with linux, there's finally something out there that isn't concerned with whether I am doing something MS/Apple doesn't want me to.

But maybe thats an entirely different thread :)

Unrelated but because its cool.. On a whim, I set up Ibrowse to use RAM as cache instead of the hard drive, and its moving a lot nicer now. Dont imagine I'll ever max out the 64 megs of RAM I have now, so its all good.

Getting kinda used to downloading files to RAM too, and then unpacking them to wherever they are supposed to go. Good stuff


Dont get me wrong, I wouldve upgraded my Amiga (back in the mid 90's) if I'd had the cash.  I used that machine exclusively just about every day for years.  When I got an A1200 with 030 years later I found out what I'd been missing, once youve had an Amiga with a HD and WHDload there's no going back to floppies. :)

I use Win, OSX and Linux almost daily now so I've kinda become platform agnostic, which isnt to say I dont find annoyances with each of them at times.