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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga Marketplace => Topic started by: RepoOne on February 07, 2011, 01:06:32 AM
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Edit: I'm no longer searching. I found an A1200 for a good price and ordered it.
I'm looking to expand my Amiga collection, so I'm looking for a new Amiga that isn't a 1000. If anyone has an NTSC Amiga that they are looking to sell, send me a message and we can see if something can be worked out.
I'd like not to spend more than $100; I figure that somebody has an unexpanded Amiga of some sort that they would be willing to sell for about that price. A 1200 is really what I'm looking for, but what I really want to do is make demos, listen to chiptunes, and play games.
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I'm looking to expand my Amiga collection, so I'm looking for a new Amiga that isn't a 1000. If anyone has an NTSC Amiga that they are looking to sell, send me a message and we can see if something can be worked out.
I'd like not to spend more than $100; I figure that somebody has an unexpanded Amiga of some sort that they would be willing to sell for about that price. A 1200 is really what I'm looking for, but what I really want to do is make demos, listen to chiptunes, and play games.
Unless you have specific reasons for wanting NTSC, for games and demo stuff, you will be 300% happier with a PAL machine.
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The main reason I want NTSC is that the shipping costs will be lower, and that I am currently using an NTSC TV w/composite connections with my Amiga. Sadly, that is what I have to work with now, although I may be getting an Amiga monitor soon from a father of a friend.
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Are you in the US? Might still be able to get a PAL machine from someone state-side.
Do you have an extra 100 to spend? If so, you can get an external scan doubler that works great with a normal PC monitor.
The reason I ask is that the majority of games are in PAL format, and will work poorly, if at all, on an NTSC machine.
EDIT: For games and demo's, a 500 or 1200 is probably your best bets. A 500 is more compatible with truly classic stuff, but a 1200 will run most, and its far easier to transfer files to and from it.
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I understand that the majority of games run too fast, and sometimes not at all on an NTSC machine. I'm just trying to get a 1200 of any kind, and an NTSC would probably be my best bet, as I'm in the United States. I already have a A1000, so I can run a lot of the earlier A500 games.
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Gotcha :)
Just trying to make sure you get something that will work well for you. Good luck!
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i know there is an NTSC/PAL issue, but I have never had a problem with that on my NTSC A2000 by simply holding down the mouse buttons at boot and choosing "PAL."
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i know there is an NTSC/PAL issue, but I have never had a problem with that on my NTSC A2000 by simply holding down the mouse buttons at boot and choosing "PAL."
What ROMs do you have in yours?
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What ROMs do you have in yours?
3.1s. I thought you could do that with the 2.x series as well, just not the 1.x series... I may very well be mistaken tho!
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You definitely can't with the 1.X ROMs. I've never had a machine with the 2.X ROMs, so I don't know if they support it or not.
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Couldn't one just use Degrader?
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Hey, I've got one of those PAL 1200s in the US just collecting dust...
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Can it be switched to NTSC mode?
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Sure, just like any other 1200, boot up while holding down both mouse buttons and pick "NTSC." There's probably another way, but I've only ever used it in PAL mode since that's what most of the games floating around require.
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I'm looking to expand my Amiga collection, so I'm looking for a new Amiga that isn't a 1000. If anyone has an NTSC Amiga that they are looking to sell, send me a message and we can see if something can be worked out.
I'd like not to spend more than $100; I figure that somebody has an unexpanded Amiga of some sort that they would be willing to sell for about that price. A 1200 is really what I'm looking for, but what I really want to do is make demos, listen to chiptunes, and play games.
You need to email C-USA as they are the only people apparently making Amigas and for an extra $100 they'll put another sticker on their PC for you that says "NTSC".
All part of the service apparently and you'll even get a free jar of KY-Gel. :D
I have a spare Elbox towered NTSC A1200, but I'm saving that for eBay. Might be a while until I list it though as work has been keeping me busy.
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It doesn't even have to be an NTSC A1200, as long as it is an A1200 or better. I'm just trying to find the best deal.
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do yourself a favour and check out amibay as well. Its a site set up more or less specifically for trading and selling. Mostly european, but there's a good share of US members too
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do yourself a favour and check out amibay as well. Its a site set up more or less specifically for trading and selling. Mostly european, but there's a good share of US members too
I posted there before I posted here, actually, but I have yet to receive any responses. I'm actually on the second page, if I'm correct. I've posted on Craigslist, Freecycle (I'm also asking for a 486 laptop here), here, and AmiBay.
The only site where I've gotten decent responses to anything at all is this one; the community here rocks.
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I posted there before I posted here, actually, but I have yet to receive any responses. I'm actually on the second page, if I'm correct. I've posted on Craigslist, Freecycle (I'm also asking for a 486 laptop here), here, and AmiBay.
The only site where I've gotten decent responses to anything at all is this one; the community here rocks.
yeah, this does have a great community. I hope something turns up for you.
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yeah, this does have a great community. I hope something turns up for you.
Thanks. I've just been looking to expand my Amiga collection, as I've just gotten started and my 512K A1000 doesn't do absolutely everything I want to do with an Amiga. :lol:
The AGA 90s Amigas are what I'm really looking at, mostly because of my interest in that era, I post on a 90s forum every once and a while. All Amigas are amazing machines, though. I can't see why they never took off.
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Thanks. I've just been looking to expand my Amiga collection, as I've just gotten started and my 512K A1000 doesn't do absolutely everything I want to do with an Amiga. :lol:
The AGA 90s Amigas are what I'm really looking at, mostly because of my interest in that era, I post on a 90s forum every once and a while. All Amigas are amazing machines, though. I can't see why they never took off.
Thats a story thats both long, painful and full of self proclaimed experts (such as myself) :)
A 1200 is, in my opinion, about the ideal machine though, especially if / when you decide to expand the girl a bit more.
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All part of the service apparently and you'll even get a free jar of KY-Gel. :D.
For you, Darrin? No gel, just some spit if you're lucky and probably a handful of sand to add interest and texture :lol:
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For you, Darrin? No gel, just some spit if you're lucky and probably a handful of sand to add interest and texture :lol:
Spit on it first, if its the blokes birthday. Its only fair
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A couple of questions. I'm definitely interested in an unexpanded A1200, but I'm curious about some things.
First of all, if I get a PAL one, could this be used to output to an NTSC TV?
http://amigamaniac.com/RGB_to_PAL_NTSC_adapter.html
Also, would I be able to use an PCMCIA ethernet card to connect it to the internet and do text-based browsing and telnet BBSes with the unexpanded 2MB ChipRAM?
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I too am looking for A3000's, A4000's and A1200's for $100 or less. All_day_long I've got *that* kind of money. Especially for CIB examples :laughing:
Craigslist maybe. But for that kind of dough, you're realistically going to be in the A2000 range. An excellent computer to be sure, but a lot of people don't care for how large they are and as a result, you can typically find better deals on 'em. A500's seem to be getting more expensive these days for whatever reason.
I'm surprised no one else took a stab at a price guide for the guy:
A500 - $35-$100
A1200 - $150-$300
A2000 - $free-$300
A3000 - $200-$400
A4000 - $250-$500
...depending on various things such as configs and cosmetic shape to name a couple.
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Well, I actually was offered a pretty good deal on an A1200, so I'll probably just purchase one of those as soon as my PayPal is functioning.
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The TCP/IP stack might eat into the chip ram. I'd look at getting even a modest accelerator later on. Even a tiny bit of fast RAM makes an amazing boost to a 1200, and if you want to run a hard drive later, you'll want it
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I mean, my plan is to run a hard drive via IDE and an ethernet PCMCIA card. Would an unexpanded run that at all, or...?
I mean, I don't really want to WHDLoad anything, I could just play games from floppies. I'd probably just store MODs and random images, text files, and whatnot on the hard drive I have.
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the hard drive will work. Where I ran into trouble on an unexpanded 1200 was that AGA games tend to require the full 2 megs of ram, so wouldn't run off the HD. Running off floppies works fine of course.
Thats a pretty specific concern, so it may or may not be important to you :)
All things considered, over the next few months, I'd put aside a bit of money for an accelerator card, even a modest 030, but you'll be able to do stuff just fine without it.
I cant speak to the web stuff for unexpanded. Someone else would have to pitch in there.
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Alright. So what I plan on getting is the following:
1. An A1200, hopefully the person I was planning on buying from still has it.
2. An IDE cable to connect to an unused 20GB laptop drive I have.
3. A PCMCIA Ethernet Card
4. The RGB -> PAL/NTSC adapter if I get a PAL version
OR
4. A Commodore 1084 that a friend is probably going to give me
Does that sound like a decent starting A1200 config for demos, music, games, and ASM programming?
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Alright. So what I plan on getting is the following:
1. An A1200, hopefully the person I was planning on buying from still has it.
2. An IDE cable to connect to an unused 20GB laptop drive I have.
3. A PCMCIA Ethernet Card
4. The RGB -> PAL/NTSC adapter if I get a PAL version
OR
4. A Commodore 1084 that a friend is probably going to give me
Does that sound like a decent starting A1200 config for demos, music, games, and ASM programming?
that sounds like a pretty good start yeah. The 1200 is nice in that you can expand it quite a bit.
For file transfers, I'd almost say go with a PCMCIA compact flash adapter, rather than the ethernet. Its super easy if you have a card reader for a PC. Something to consider anyways.
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The monitor I'm getting locally is actually a Commodore 1080 or 1081. Those can take PAL signals, can't they?
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The monitor I'm getting locally is actually a Commodore 1080 or 1081. Those can take PAL signals, can't they?
Well, they won't roll or display the wrong colors if that's what you mean but they will chop off a small portion of the bottom of the screen. You need a 1084 or better in order to display PAL images proper. Plus, the 1084's offer up more picture adjustment options, which are pretty invaluable for switching between modes really. Commodore must have figured nobody would be swapping discs to and fro the pond when the A1000 and 1080's rolled out.
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Don't know about over the pond, but iv'e tried a couple of LCD TV's on my various Amigas. They all ran in PAL and NTSC, & generally flicker free, even in interlace mode. If you have one of those knocking around the house.
of course they you'll mis the phospher glow that you'd get from a CRT, means the colours won't blend as well. But it's another possible solution.
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All I have in this house are CRT TVs and a variety of early-to-late 90s CRTs: A Digiview HR-40, an Acute Network Technologies 17DB07, and an AT&T CRT329D. I have a 2003 MultiSync NEC FS991SB, but it is completely broken. My TVs include a 1989 RCA XL100, a couple of tiny TVs from the 2000s, and a Sharp TV from 1999. I don't think any of those can take a PAL signal. I'll probably just end up getting the 1080 and dealing with the slight cut-off.
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The RGB to S-video adapter from Amigamaniac would work perfectly to connect a PAL A1200 to an NTSC TV.
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The RGB to S-video adapter from Amigamaniac would work perfectly to connect a PAL A1200 to an NTSC TV.
not quite true. the Narmi circuit that Amigamaniac uses (AD724 encoder chip) is designed to allow both PAL and NTSC display, however, you cannot correctly display an out of region Amiga correctly on a different region TV, for instance, a PAL Amiga will not display colour on an NTSC TV as the colour burst frequency is different. The purpose of the PAL/NTSC switch on the Amigamaniac circuit is so that the adapter can be used anywhere in the world as long as you use the correct region Amiga with the same region monitor/TV.
If you want freedom to display any region on a TV then you would need to buy a multi region TV that will display all formats like for example...
http://www.world-import.com/Sony_KLV-26T400A_Multi-System_LCD_TV.htm
edit... may be a bit expensive but it works perfect for all displays
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I got the 1080. It runs in PAL mode without any cutoff. All I had to do was adjust the V-height.