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Amiga computer related discussion => Amiga community support ideas => Topic started by: Franko on February 05, 2011, 10:50:36 PM
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Hmm... Just received an email from "commodore@amiga.com" in regard to my CommodoreScotland.com site...
date:
2011-02-05
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21:23:48 UTC
Please Enter Your Email Address In Order To Receive A Reply, Thank You...:
commodore@amiga.com
Please Give A Subject Matter For A Quicker Response...:
Software piracy on your site
Please Enter Your Message Or Question Here...:
You are risking jail time for this:
I wonder who this could be !!! and what his actual complaint is, seem the games afoot now... :)
Just wondering especially from those of you who are both members here and members of my site what your opinions on this are and if you find my CommodoreScotland.com site entertaining & useful (for what it is so far)... :)
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Don't worry pal.
It is just a troll. If not, i assume they "copy and pasted" a mail they got in the past : D
Just kidding!!! No war!
Really, this is just a troll.
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Oi! Approve me! :furious:
:laughing:
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Oi! Approve me! :furious:
:laughing:
Approve you for what ???
(Do you really need my approval... ;))
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Existential, man!
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Highly doubt a lawyer would have that email address. Consequently, tell them to piss off.
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Highly doubt a lawyer would have that email address. Consequently, tell them to piss off.
piss is too nice a word.
I'd say the words you should use, but someone might complain that im being rampantly negative and profane. lol
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piss is too nice a word.
I'd say the words you should use, but someone might complain that im being rampantly negative and profane. lol
Reported.
:D
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Hmm... Just received an email from "commodore@amiga.com" in regard to my CommodoreScotland.com site...
I wonder who this could be !!! and what his actual complaint is, seem the games afoot now... :)
Just wondering especially from those of you who are both members here and members of my site what your opinions on this are and if you find my CommodoreScotland.com site entertaining & useful (for what it is so far)... :)
Forgive me for not understanding this well, atm.
Is this claimed to be coming from amiga.com, which is AI?
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Reported.
:D
Just curious as to why is there such a big gap between what you say..
and the smilie? :D
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Forgive me for not understanding this well, atm.
Is this claimed to be coming from amiga.com, which is AI?
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Dunno that's the email address it was sent from... :(
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So fake it hurts :D
Ignore it, and only worry if a physical letter actually arrives from a actually existing advocate located in your very own country.
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Just curious as to why is there such a big gap between what you say..
and the smilie? :D
It's
the
annoyance
factor
:laughing:
also could be called the "Burma Shave" effect :D
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Also, totally offtopic, but with that behemoth of an A1200T you have, Franko, how have you NOT gotten that thing on the net if you wanted to?
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Also, totally offtopic, but with that behemoth of an A1200T you have, Franko, how have you NOT gotten that thing on the net if you wanted to?
Kinda feel that putting my Amiga on the net is dirty in a weird sort of way... :)
Don't mind soiling these old macs with the net, but I think "Albert" that's my towered Miggies name (named of my old tortoise, gawd rest his/her soul) would be upset to read all the nasty things going on in AmigaLand... :)
Best let Albert think all's hunkey dorey in the world, methinks... :)
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Exactly what software is in question of piracy?
Also one of the directors at c=usa is a lawyer and daughter of the main director :)
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Exactly what software is in question of piracy?
Also one of the directors at c=usa is a lawyer and daughter of the main director :)
Well it could be the 8000+ Amiga Game ADF disk images... :)
Or
It could be the Workbench Disk Sets... :)
Or
It could be the Kickstart ROM images... :)
Not sure really he didn't say much... :)
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Exactly what software is in question of piracy?
Also one of the directors at c=usa is a lawyer and daughter of the main director :)
It's the email address that makes no sense.
Everything at Amiga Inc. has always been:
[personalname]@amiga.com
This address has to be a joke, since it makes it look like a Commodore interest is working out of Amiga.com, no?
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@ all
Thanks guys for the replies, much appreciated... :)
Anyway I've decided to ignore whomever the wee jobby is as he hasn't had the bottle to respond to an email I sent... :)
The Download page is now back up & running and if some wee crapbag want's to anonymously challenge me on it again then he'd better have something a bit more to say next time... :)
(hope it was a big company though, it's becoming my new hobby taking on the big boys and I haven't been involved in a good court case in years... :))
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Let me know if you have any more issues. I did a really interesting explosives course while I was in the army and I've never had the chance to try it out on a grand scale. ;-)
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Let me know if you have any more issues. I did a really interesting explosives course while I was in the army and I've never had the chance to try it out on a grand scale. ;-)
Well... there is this old fart a few doors down who's ruddy cat keeps doing dooh dahs in me garden and frightening the squirrels away... :madashell:
Reckon your talents could come in quite handy in solving that wee problem... ;)
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Well... there is this old fart a few doors down who's ruddy cat keeps doing dooh dahs in me garden and frightening the squirrels away... :madashell:
Reckon your talents could come in quite handy in solving that wee problem... ;)
I'll be over in May. Need pics of his cat.
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Well it could be the 8000+ Amiga Game ADF disk images... :)
Or
It could be the Workbench Disk Sets... :)
Or
It could be the Kickstart ROM images... :)
Not sure really he didn't say much... :)
Only Commodore branded games are their concern (were there even any for Amiga like in the VIC/C64/C16 days?) unless they own any old gaming companies. The rest is illegal yes :roflmao:
Just because the 'from:' bit is marked as commodore@amiga.com doesn't mean it came from there really either. You need the full path of the incoming message showing it was sent from a server on the Amiga.com domain.
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You do have kickstart and workbench for download don't you? (not that I care but some people do get quite pissy about such things)
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I'll be over in May. Need pics of his cat.
(http:// http://www.nationalreview.com/images/DavidCameronatCommons.JPG)
He lives at 10 Downing Street, London.
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I'm glad people are starting to have the courage to leave workbench disks and roms online. Its ridiculous for anyone to cry about it. Usually its the people raping the corpse of amiga that care.
A side note Franko, I have been meaning to check out your files and I tried to download a few game disks. How do I open an lzx file?
Os3.9 lha-ram won't do it.
7zip on windows won't do it.
Xarchiver on linux won't work either?
Steven
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(http:// http://www.nationalreview.com/images/DavidCameronatCommons.JPG)
He lives at 10 Downing Street, London.
Oi! I'm a Tory! :D
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I'm glad people are starting to have the courage to leave workbench disks and roms online. Its ridiculous for anyone to cry about it. Usually its the people raping the corpse of amiga that care.
A side note Franko, I have been meaning to check out your files and I tried to download a few game disks. How do I open an lzx file?
Os3.9 lha-ram won't do it.
7zip on windows won't do it.
Xarchiver on linux won't work either?
Steven
http://aminet.net/package/util/arc/UnLZX2
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@ haywirepc
You just need LZX (available on Aminet) just the same as LHA but better compression... :)
@ Digiman
Doesn't really matter now, if it's real then I'm up for the challenge if it's just some numptie, then who cares... :)
@KThunder
I ain't gonna argue over that, just reckon unless Workbench was still available and easy for folks to buy then it wouldn't be on my site, as far as I'm aware the only supposed legal way to purchase Workbench is on the Amiga forever disks and that's hardly fair if Amiga forever is no good to you... :)
@ Darrin
I'll take a pic of it in the morning, although that pic that nicholas put up has a pretty strong resemblance (it's just a big pussy)... :)
(and tory or not, I'll pay you anyday to blow the bugger to hell...:lol:)
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Well... there is this old fart a few doors down who's ruddy cat keeps doing dooh dahs in me garden and frightening the squirrels away... :madashell:
Neighbours sure can get on your nerves Franko :madashell: Mine just knocked on my door at 3:10am. Can you believe that?! 3:10am!! Luckily for him I'm still up playing my trumpet! ;)
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Neighbours sure can get on your nerves Franko :madashell: Mine just knocked on my door at 3:10am. Can you believe that?! 3:10am!! Luckily for him I'm still up playing my trumpet! ;)
I know... but you didn't answer the ruddy door to me... :madashell:
Now keep that bloody noise down or play a tune I like... ;)
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Let me know if you have any more issues. I did a really interesting explosives course while I was in the army and I've never had the chance to try it out on a grand scale. ;-)
Is this why you have no testicles? :confused:
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Is this why you have no testicles? :confused:
No, that was due to a smart idea of mine to trim my pubic hair with a scythe.
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@ Darrin
I'll take a pic of it in the morning, although that pic that nicholas put up has a pretty strong resemblance (it's just a big pussy)... :)
(and tory or not, I'll pay you anyday to blow the bugger to hell...:lol:)
@Franko. A word of caution. I would think twice about letting Darrin anywhere near your house/cat. His downstairs situation means the best he could do is turn the cat into a girl. Or worse - turn you into a girl! :nervous:
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goram pussies - I just started my drinking!
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goram pussies - I just started my drinking!
i started last year.
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Maybe remove the Kicks just incase, not worth the headache :)
Love the WHDload installs :D
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Well it could be the 8000+ Amiga Game ADF disk images... :)
Or
It could be the Workbench Disk Sets... :)
Or
It could be the Kickstart ROM images... :)
Not sure really he didn't say much... :)
Nice collection of kickstart/WB for download. Any reason you haven't put up OS4 ISOs yet or WB 3.5/3.9? AO sure has changed since Pyro took over, never thought piracy would be freely advertised.
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Nice collection of kickstart/WB for download. Any reason you haven't put up OS4 ISOs yet or WB 3.5/3.9? AO sure has changed since Pyro took over, never thought piracy would be freely advertised.
If you've got the bottle take me up in a legal battle over it, and just to answer your question OS4.0 is crap and I wouldn't waste the storage space with it...
Still it's a bit rich coming from CUSA biggest FanBoy who's hero proudly promotes on his Website that "as practically every game you ever owned is now readily available on the internet."... ;)
DAMMYS FAVOURITE WEBSITE HELPS PROMOTE PIRACY (http://www.commodoreusa.net/CUSA_OS.aspx)
It's all a bit rich coming from the likes of you eh.. :)
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Actually there have been successful attempts to legally force people to remove wb/ks rom images from peoples sites. Personally I think youre potentially asking for trouble keeping them there, especially in light of you drawing attention to yourself. I dont really care myself, but I'd be surprised if it wasnt just a matter of time before you received genuine emails over it. As for OS4.x, it's the amiga based OS I have least interest in, but to call it crap just 'cos it doesnt run well on an old bppc+aga combo is a bit far fetched.
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Actually there have been successful attempts to legally force people to remove wb/ks rom images from peoples sites. Personally I think youre potentially asking for trouble keeping them there, especially in light of you drawing attention to yourself. I dont really care myself, but I'd be surprised if it wasnt just a matter of time before you received genuine emails over it. As for OS4.x, it's the amiga based OS I have least interest in, but to call it crap just 'cos it doesnt run well on an old bppc+aga combo is a bit far fetched.
To be perfectly honest I don't give a S&!T about the legal arguments, I'm just glad hundreds of folk have already been able to download these for free. If it comes to a legal case I'm quite happy to fight it...:)
The same stuff on my site can be found easily on the net and why no-ones complaining about them I don't know. Simple fact here is those who pretend to be all high and mighty on the subject are nothing but a bunch of two faced hypocrites... :)
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Does your system allow you to check the ip address of who sent the comment? My quess is it wasn't anyone even remotely connected to C=USA or AI.
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Does your system allow you to check the ip address of who sent the comment? My quess is it wasn't anyone even remotely connected to C=USA or AI.
Dunno, I'm not sure what an IP address means or how to go about checking it... :(
Now if someone could give me few tips I'd be happy to try and find out (although judging by the other thread Dammy AKA MR SUPERGRASS has all but admitted it was him)...
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The same stuff on my site can be found easily on the net and why no-ones complaining about them I don't know. Simple fact here is those who pretend to be all high and mighty on the subject are nothing but a bunch of two faced hypocrites... :)
Sure, it's not hard to find them (ks images), but there's been more than a few situations where sites hosting them have been forced to remove them, instigated by A.Inc (although Im dubious your email is from them and in the last year or so they seem to have stopped persuing it with the vigour they once did). If it comes to that then you'll lose if you choose to fight it. Love or hate them, it is thier property. Again though, I personally dont really care.
I assume your last sentence is in regards to Dammy, and I have to agree that yes, it's just Dammy being Dammy.
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Sure, it's not hard to find them (ks images), but there's been more than a few situations where sites hosting them have been forced to remove them, instigated by A.Inc (although Im dubious your email is from them and in the last year or so they seem to have stopped persuing it with the vigour they once did). If it comes to that then you'll lose if you choose to fight it. Love or hate them, it is thier property. Again though, I personally dont really care.
I assume your last sentence is in regards to Dammy, and I have to agree that yes, it's just Dammy being Dammy.
Well as I never received a reply to the email I sent to whomever sent that one to me, then the site shall remain as is until whomever it is clarifies just what they are objecting to in detail... :)
Then and only then will I decide whether to remove whichever items them are referring to or whether to challenge them further... :)
Yes, Last comment was directed at MR SUPERGRASS... :)
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Dunno, I'm not sure what an IP address means or how to go about checking it... :(
Yet you spent the time and money for anonymous domain registration?
Now if someone could give me few tips I'd be happy to try and find out (although judging by the other thread Dammy AKA MR SUPERGRASS has all but admitted it was him)...
Why would I even bother sending you an email? I wouldn't bother to email you Mr.Pirate, who is costing Cloanto sales. I would send it to abuse@names.co.uk and to Pyro that your spamming your pirate wares site on his site. But I haven't because Pyro seems to feel comfortable with you promoting your pirate site.
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To be perfectly honest I don't give a S&!T about the legal arguments, I'm just glad hundreds of folk have already been able to download these for free. If it comes to a legal case I'm quite happy to fight it...:)
The same stuff on my site can be found easily on the net and why no-ones complaining about them I don't know. Simple fact here is those who pretend to be all high and mighty on the subject are nothing but a bunch of two faced hypocrites... :)
I'd like to think that the reason OS4.x isn't on there is more because it is an active product which you can still purchase, unlike the other stuff.
I just realised that AI never even bothered putting copies of WB3.1 for sale in their online shop.
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I must admit, Im surprised at how easy it is to find AmigaOS4.x online for download. I dont really understand why people would bother to upload it being that the hardware to run it on typically comes with OS4.x (apart from classic version), but for whatever reason they have. If something like sheepshaver or qemu worked with OS4.x then Id understand, but as yet they dont.
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Yet you spent the time and money for anonymous domain registration?
Why would I even bother sending you an email? I wouldn't bother to email you Mr.Pirate, who is costing Cloanto sales. I would send it to abuse@names.co.uk and to Pyro that your spamming your pirate wares site on his site. But I haven't because Pyro seems to feel comfortable with you promoting your pirate site.
Right I've gathered by now that your very dim indeed, I spent the time all 20 minutes of it in response to a thread on here a while back buying the site name CommodoreScotland.com which dummy is not anonymous although judging by your lack of intelligence you obviously think that anonymous means something with a name, you really are thick aren't you... :lol:
You can send emails to whomever you like and while your at it why not send one about your beloved CUSA promoting the availability of pirated software, I could have easily done this myself but I'm not a petty sniveling little turd like you are... :)
Why do you keep bringing Pyro into this ?, seems you just can't handle anything that's said against your bum chum & his rip off site. Do me favour and go and play in the traffic although you'd probably complain when you get run over that the car that hit you was not the latest CUSA model and was just a crappy Rolls Royce that ran you down... :)
I've met some very weird folk in my time but you've gotta rate as one of the all time saddest and weirdest little pieces of crap I've even had the misfortune to come across... :)
Keep up with your personal attacks, your doubting who I am and all the rest of the BS you spout, as to be honest with you I find this a great way to spend a Sunday afternoon... :)
I can't wait to see what you wee brain cell manages to come up with next... :)
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Right I've gathered by now that your very dim indeed, I spent the time all 20 minutes of it in response to a thread on here a while back buying the site name CommodoreScotland.com which dummy is not anonymous although judging by your lack of intelligence you obviously think that anonymous means something with a name, you really are thick aren't you... :lol:
You can send emails to whomever you like and while your at it why not send one about your beloved CUSA promoting the availability of pirated software, I could have easily done this myself but I'm not a petty sniveling little turd like you are... :)
Why do you keep bringing Pyro into this ?, seems you just can't handle anything that's said against your bum chum & his rip off site. Do me favour and go and play in the traffic although you'd probably complain when you get run over that the car that hit you was not the latest CUSA model and was just a crappy Rolls Royce that ran you down... :)
I've met some very weird folk in my time but you've gotta rate as one of the all time saddest and weirdest little pieces of crap I've even had the misfortune to come across... :)
Keep up with your personal attacks, your doubting who I am and all the rest of the BS you spout, as to be honest with you I find this a great way to spend a Sunday afternoon... :)
I can't wait to see what you wee brain cell manages to come up with next... :)
Oi Franko! That's no way to talk to C-USA's new Public Relations Manager! :D
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I'd like to think that the reason OS4.x isn't on there is more because it is an active product which you can still purchase, unlike the other stuff.
I just realised that AI never even bothered putting copies of WB3.1 for sale in their online shop.
OS4 isn't there because it's still on sale same as OS3.9 isn't on there, everything else that's there is because other than downloading them from sites like mine from the net there is not other way for folk to easily (if at all) purchase them anymore... :)
As I've said anyone can easily find every piece of Amiga software on the net, just reckon it's way past the time to stop pretending that this is not the case and put an end to all the nonsense that this is somehow harming sales somewhere and pretending that this doesn't happen... :)
I've already said here that you can get hold of KS ROMS & Some Workbench versions by purchasing Cloanto's Amiga Forever but what about folk who have no use for Amiga Forever why should they have to pay over the odds for something when all they need is a working copy of some Workbench disks... :)
At the end of the day I don't make a single penny from my site in fact it costs me money to run the thing, so what the fuss is all about I really don't know... :)
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Oi Franko! That's no way to talk to C-USA's new Public Relations Manager! :D
Just talking to him in the same manner they address the Amiga Community... ;)
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Guys, the name-calling is getting really pathetic. Why can't these topics be discussed maturely? Franko, you never used to behave this way. Your posts always used to be very entertaining.
I don't think anybody wants to read childish, insulting comments. It makes this site quite unpleasant. So please, everyone, just be civil or let it go.
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moto
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Guys, the name-calling is getting really pathetic. Why can't these topics be discussed maturely? Franko, you never used to behave this way. Your posts always used to be very entertaining.
I don't think anybody wants to read childish, insulting comments. It makes this site quite unpleasant. So please, everyone, just be civil or let it go.
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moto
Sorry you feel that way moto but he started this crap with his "Mr Pirate" BS and so I just respond in kind to folk like that... :(
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Sorry you feel that way moto but he started this crap with his "Mr Pirate" BS and so I just respond in kind to folk like that... :(
"He started it"? Seriously?!
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moto
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OS4 isn't there because it's still on sale same as OS3.9 isn't on there, everything else that's there is because other than downloading them from sites like mine from the net there is not other way for folk to easily (if at all) purchase them anymore... :)
As I've said anyone can easily find every piece of Amiga software on the net, just reckon it's way past the time to stop pretending that this is not the case and put an end to all the nonsense that this is somehow harming sales somewhere and pretending that this doesn't happen... :)
I've already said here that you can get hold of KS ROMS & Some Workbench versions by purchasing Cloanto's Amiga Forever but what about folk who have no use for Amiga Forever why should they have to pay over the odds for something when all they need is a working copy of some Workbench disks... :)
At the end of the day I don't make a single penny from my site in fact it costs me money to run the thing, so what the fuss is all about I really don't know... :)
People here used to be crazy on the attack when they found any copyright infringement (which like it or not is what you are doing) Many of them have left or don't attack as much anymore.
Ebay stuff was especially bad, they would email ebay if a commodore logo, or disc filled with copyrighted stuff was for sale.
Like I said though, offering copyrighted material for download, even if you don't make money, and even if you don't make money on it.
I bought Amiga Forever several times for a variety of reasons, and I don't really care what you do with your site, but they could concievably come after you, they have before.
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I'm afraid weather you like it or not you are breaking the law, even if a product is not available to purchase you are still braking the law. Sorry mate, I like your website it reminds of the good old days of the internet which is why I'm a member, but just giving you a warning that you may lose this one.
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@ KThunder & AmigaNG
I do know what I am doing you know, whether legal or not that is my problem to deal with when the time comes. It's only my opinion but it's way past time this whole subject was brought out into the open and debated properly... :)
At the end of the day if no company is willing to re-release all this old software at a price that is fair & reasonable and make it easily available to purchase, then perhaps what I am doing may result in something being done to help bring this about... :)
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"He started it"? Seriously?!
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moto
Yeah I know it sounds childish but you did ask the question, what did you want me to say OOOh sorry moto I won't do it again and not even put my point across to your question, c'mon...
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@ KThunder & AmigaNG
I do know what I am doing you know, whether legal or not that is my problem to deal with when the time comes. It's only my opinion but it's way past time this whole subject was brought out into the open and debated properly... :)
At the end of the day if no company is willing to re-release all this old software at a price that is fair & reasonable and make it easily available to purchase, then perhaps what I am doing may result in something being done to help bring this about... :)
It has been discussed before, it has been it the courts before and they have always sided with the copright holder. If the copyright holder wants you to take it down they can legally force you to, and can even sue you for losses in Amiga Forever sales.
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Personally I'd just leave it as it is until (if) you get genuine requests to remove particular content from resepctive copyright holders. Sure, some of it is technically piracy, but as you mentioned a lot of the stuff thier simply isnt available to buy anymore, so it's not like youre costing anyone money for 99% of the content. The KS ROM images are probably the main exception here, and the things you're most likely to get genuine requests to remove.
Im reluctant to use the phrase, but it is a bit of a grey area in some ways. Legally its fairly black and white, but with a lot of software that is still copyrighted some of the companies dont even exist anymore, or have simply forgotten about some of thier software for non mainstream options from last centuary, or possibly even unaware theyre the copyright holders to some software (from when mergers or buyouts, etc. happen).
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Yeah I know it sounds childish but you did ask the question, what did you want me to say OOOh sorry moto I won't do it again and not even put my point across to your question, c'mon...
No, I don't expect that. I didn't ask you not to express your opinions. I simply asked for those opinions to be expressed without name-calling. I'm not singling you out here, I'm just surprised to some of the posts you've been making recently.
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Personally I'd just leave it as it is until (if) you get genuine requests to remove particular content from resepctive copyright holders. Sure, some of it is technically piracy, but as you mentioned a lot of the stuff thier simply isnt available to buy anymore, so it's not like youre costing anyone money for 99% of the content. The KS ROM images are probably the main exception here, and the things you're most likely to get genuine requests to remove.
Im reluctant to use the phrase, but it is a bit of a grey area in some ways. Legally its fairly black and white, but with a lot of software that is still copyrighted some of the companies dont even exist anymore, or have simply forgotten about some of thier software for non mainstream options from last centuary, or possibly even unaware theyre the copyright holders to some software (from when mergers or buyouts, etc. happen).
You've just summed up quite well what I've been trying to get across here, I intend as I've said before to leave things as is on the site and decide which actions to take if or when I receive any legal or warning from any company who may still hold copyrights to stuff there and demand I remove it... :)
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No, I don't expect that. I didn't ask you not to express your opinions. I simply asked for those opinions to be expressed without name-calling. I'm not singling you out here, I'm just surprised to some of the posts you've been making recently.
As I said moto and I don't mean this to sound childish (just can't think of any other way to word it) but Dammy started with the name calling crap and so I treat folks the same way they treat me if that means sinking to their level then so be it but I'm not the type of person who just sits there and lets folk say things about me without responding... :)
Sorry if you have found all this offensive, but I can't explain it any better than that... :)
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Responding in that way is your decision. I only ask that you consider the other people who frequent this forum and may want to read debate rather than name-calling.
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moto
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Hmm... Just received an email from "commodore@amiga.com" in regard to my CommodoreScotland.com site...
I wonder who this could be !!! and what his actual complaint is, seem the games afoot now... :)
Just wondering especially from those of you who are both members here and members of my site what your opinions on this are and if you find my CommodoreScotland.com site entertaining & useful (for what it is so far)... :)
holly horse... and a smoking salmon... a threat from a "possible" email from commodore! :rtfm: :lol:
go get those tomatoes... :roflmao:
Interesting reading though.. :afro:
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Refer them to the reply given in the case of Arkell v. Pressdram.
B.
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Tell them to contact Commodore Amiga Iran with any legal disputes ;)
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Sorry you feel that way moto but he started this crap with his "Mr Pirate" BS and so I just respond in kind to folk like that... :(
Sorry Franko, I enjoyed your posts in the past but you are a pirate, there is no denying that. Kickstart images are actively being sold. (http://www.amigaforever.com/).
I think your link to commodoreschotland in your signature should be removed.
greets,
Staf.
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If the email did not come from someone specified as legal council from wherever it came, and it did not mention specifics on exactly copyright infringing you supposedly did (specific title/software names) - tell them to stop uttering threats and wasting your time.
Looks like a troll to me. No company in their right mind would send such a thing without providing more information directly from their legal reps.
Ask them to mail you the proper and specific paperwork like they should have to start with if they believe you are infringing on their assets.
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If the email did not come from someone specified as legal council from wherever it came, and it did not mention specifics on exactly copyright infringing you supposedly did (specific title/software names) - tell them to stop uttering threats and wasting your time.
Looks like a troll to me. No company in their right mind would send such a thing without providing more information directly from their legal reps.
Ask them to mail you the proper and specific paperwork like they should have to start with if they believe you are infringing on their assets.
Its worth adding that copyright infringement, at least in the US, is a civil matter, not a criminal matter. Hence, the email's gibber about jail time is nonsense.
Could be different in the UK of course.
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Sorry Franko, I enjoyed your posts in the past but you are a pirate, there is no denying that. Kickstart images are actively being sold. (http://www.amigaforever.com/).
I think your link to commodoreschotland in your signature should be removed.
greets,
Staf.
Amiga Forever is fine if you're okay with buying pirated games along with your legit KS ROMs.
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Amiga Forever is fine if you're okay with buying pirated games along with your legit KS ROMs.
No S***, right?
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Amiga Forever is fine if you're okay with buying pirated games along with your legit KS ROMs.
Seriously?
I thought it was just the kickstart itself and some emulation software?
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Guys no links to confirmed pirated warz please. That includes software that is activity being sold.
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Hi Franko
I am not 100% sure about this, but I think Amiga Forever now own rights to the Amiga Kickstart Roms, they were included on the purchased CD / DVD.
Some of the games are still copyright by there original owners eg.
Team 17, Psygnosis (Sony), Electronic Arts, Cinemaware http://www.cinemaware.com/ .
Take a look at Back to the Roots website http://www.back2roots.org/ they have a policy on the site if a game or image is copyright and it belongs to you, contact them and they will remove the file.
Might be an idea to speak to Lemon Amiga admins http://www.lemonamiga.com/ admins as they have a ton of Electronic Arts games on thier site.
PS Commodore Scotland is a nice site well done mate. :)
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I know Team 17 gave their amiga stuff away for free online, but I doubt they want it to be resold. The rest, likely didn't.
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Cinemaware have allowed free distribution for a decade now, but not for resale though.
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@ Fats
Your entitled to your opinion fats but for the reasons already given things shall remain as they are on my site until someone who holds the copyrights to whatever contacts me directly and points outs their objections properly & in full... :)
@ Duce
Already emailed them but received no reply.... :)
@ Transition
The Link to my site has been here since I started my site and anyone who visits it and happens across the downloads page are clearly warned that any software they download is only for the purpose of replacing damaged software/floppies that they legally own and have no other way to purchase a replacement or back up of their legally owned software. At the end of the day as I've already said when the appropriate people respond to my site & it's contents then I shall decide what action to take... :)
@ All
We all have our opinions on this subject and I think I have made mine quite clear on the matter, so until I receive an "official" complaint from a copyright holder then things on the site shall remain as is. If you don't like "Piracy" then fine but to me when something like these old pieces of software have no other way to be obtained legally and easily then it's time all this nonsense was brought out into the open and cleared up finally one way or the other... :)
It's seems to me only certain people here actually care about calling what I'm doing as "Piracy", I as most will know am quite new to the net and find it really quite strange that folk hold such views on old Amiga software, when in my short time on the net I have easily found hundreds of site where the same stuff can be downloaded and by the looks of things have been doing so for years or can be constantly bought on ebay on DVD & CD collections which ebay only remove when a complaint is made and about two hours later the stuff is re-listed again.
I do not make any money from this and wouldn't even attempt to do so to me doing that is "piracy" it costs me money every month to keep my site running and advert free and to me it's far better that folk are able to download stuff from sites such as mine rather than going to the likes of ebay and helping someone make a pretty penny from this old software by actually paying for these DVD/CD collections... :)
Why are folk here not complaining about all the other sites on the net where all this software can be downloaded and only mine is being complained about, seems a bit odd that to me... :)
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I dont have a dog in this race but, to be fair, the people who moderate this site has a reasonable right to what they think is okay, what with them moderating the site and all :)
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I dont have a dog in this race but, to be fair, the people who moderate this site has a reasonable right to what they think is okay, what with them moderating the site and all :)
I never said they didn't Runequester, I respect the mods on this site and if they ask me to remove something then of course I will... :)
I just personally think it's high time this subject was brought out into the open and debated reasonably once and for all, there's no point in sticking you head in the sand and pretending that such things don't happen... :)
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I never said they didn't Runequester, I respect the mods on this site and if they ask me to remove something then of course I will... :)
I just personally think it's high time this subject was brought out into the open and debated reasonably once and for all, there's no point in sticking you head in the sand and pretending that such things don't happen... :)
I dont disagree in principle, but these discussions tend to never go well ;)
Not that that ever stopped anybody ;)
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I dont disagree in principle, but these discussions tend to never go well ;)
Not that that ever stopped anybody ;)
I don't think from what I have seen in my short time here most discussions ever go as planned on this site, but at least here we are allowed to voice our opinions without much censorship which a few other sites should take note of and learn from... :)
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Guys no links to confirmed pirated warz please. That includes software that is activity being sold.
So what is your call on the kickstart and WB on Franko's site?
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So what is your call on the kickstart and WB on Franko's site?
Just can't give it a rest can you... :rolleyes:
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Just proves how much of a child he (dammy) is, ofcourse since he doesn't have the intellect to argue with you what else can you expect.
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Just proves how much of a child he (dammy) is, ofcourse since he doesn't have the intellect to argue with you what else can you expect.
I've not been online here much tonight as I've been having to answer more emails and members questions on my site tonight about who this Dammy guy is and what his agenda is all about...
In the past 24 hours I've received more visitors and emails than I normally get in an entire month... :)
So I've explained to these folk just who DAMMY (MR RANDY VICE) is and given all contact details I have about him out to these very angry people, so that they can contact MR VICE himself and express their views directly to him... :)
If at the end of the day Randy wishes to continue with his little vendetta and I have to remove certain links then the homepage on my site shall contain all contact details for Mr Vice where folks can take the matter up directly with him, as this will save me having to reply to all these folk individually. From most of the emails I've received I wouldn't like to be in his shoes from the things folk have to say about him... :) (some very angry & scary folk out there)
Oh well, it's not my problem if Randy wishes to put himself in this position, just hope for his sake that some of the things folk have said about him don't come true... :)
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Yet you spent the time and money for anonymous domain registration?
Why would I even bother sending you an email? I wouldn't bother to email you Mr.Pirate, who is costing Cloanto sales. I would send it to abuse@names.co.uk and to Pyro that your spamming your pirate wares site on his site. But I haven't because Pyro seems to feel comfortable with you promoting your pirate site.
Really? I thought that CUSA is promoting Franko instead: No need to bother with floppy disks, as practically every game you ever owned is now readily available on the internet. Source: http://www.commodoreusa.net/CUSA_OS.aspx .
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@Franko
I really like this sentence: All files available here [...] to be downloaded if you own the original software. Source: http://www.commodorescotland.com/#/downdloads/4544411715 . Well, I own MOS 2.x and AOS4.x, would you be kind hosting a digital image of the above mentioned OSes in case my CDs fail?
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Really? I thought that CUSA is promoting Franko instead: No need to bother with floppy disks, as practically every game you ever owned is now readily available on the internet. Source: http://www.commodoreusa.net/CUSA_OS.aspx .
App store will be up at time of launch. ;)
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App store will be up at time of launch. ;)
Will it feature, practically every game which I owned or will it link to tpb?
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Sorry, I may be a little late on this thread (7 pages in!) however, the site in question does indeed have seem to have pirate copies of the Amiga system files, which Cloanto currently sell (and at a very reasonable price I might add too). The domain is also hiding behind an anonymising agent. All of which comes across as decidedly dodgy.
edit:
I've done some more reading. Franko, sort yourself out. I suspect nobody on Amiga.org is 15 years old anymore.
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Sorry, I may be a little late on this thread (7 pages in!) however, the site in question does indeed have seem to have pirate copies of the Amiga system files, which Cloanto currently sell (and at a very reasonable price I might add too). The domain is also hiding behind an anonymising agent. All of which comes across as decidedly dodgy.
The site in question as you call it is run by me Frank Spiers and is hardly anonymous. I don't control how the domain is displayed so why this appears dodgy is beyond me.
If Cloanto has a complaint about my site it is very easy for them to contact me and tell what the problem is as I am unaware of anything on my site that has come from Cloanto.
Would you care to explain what you mean by the term dodgy... :)
Look pal don't tell me to sort myself out, get a life and stop your ruddy whinging...:)
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The site in question as you call it is run by me Frank Spiers and is hardly anonymous. I don't control how the domain is displayed so why this appears dodgy is beyond me.
If Cloanto has a complaint about my site it is very easy for them to contact me and tell what the problem is as I am unaware of anything on my site that has come from Cloanto.
Would you care to explain what you mean by the term dodgy... :)
Look pal don't tell me to sort myself out, get a life and stop your ruddy whinging...:)
Franko, your promotion of pirate roms has gone under radar until now it seems. Promoting pirate software is a clear violation of the TOS (http://www.amiga.org/index.php?pageid=posting_guidelines).
Do not post links or requests for warez.
Warez in our definition is illegal software up to and including "abandonware". The exception is if the person is KNOWN to have the legal right to distribute said software. This is not debatable.
This is a formal warning.
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Franko, your promotion of pirate roms has gone under radar until now it seems. Promoting pirate software is a clear violation of the TOS (http://www.amiga.org/index.php?pageid=posting_guidelines).
Do not post links or requests for warez.
Warez in our definition is illegal software up to and including "abandonware". The exception is if the person is KNOWN to have the legal right to distribute said software. This is not debatable.
This is a formal warning.
Well as I see you have already removed my signature yourself the PM I just sent you was a complete waste of time.
I have also just sent you another PM asking you to remove all links to Commodore USAs site as they actively promote Piracy on their site but as you seem to issue infractions then go ahead and delete things without even giving the user a chance to read & respond to your PMs then it's only fair that I respond here in public to you as you don't have the decency to even allow someone to respond to your PMs.
If you would care to check out this active promotion of Piracy by CUSA here...
http://www.commodoreusa.net/CUSA_OS.aspx
I refer of course to the text "No need to bother with floppy disks, as practically every game you ever owned is now readily available on the internet."
It would be only fair to ask you to remove all links to Commodore USA and any references to them from Amiga.org as you said to me in the PM "refrain from promoting pirate software on Amiga.org.", this of course should include any links you may have made yourself.
Yours Sincerely
Frank Spiers
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Well as I see you have already removed my signature yourself the PM I just sent you was a complete waste of time.
I have also just sent you another PM asking you to remove all links to Commodore USAs site as they actively promote Piracy on their site but as you seem to issue infractions then go ahead and delete things without even giving the user a chance to read & respond to your PMs then it's only fair that I respond here in public to you as you don't have the decency to even allow someone to respond to your PMs.
If you would care to check out this active promotion of Piracy by CUSA here...
http://www.commodoreusa.net/CUSA_OS.aspx
I refer of course to the text "No need to bother with floppy disks, as practically every game you ever owned is now readily available on the internet."
It would be only fair to ask you to remove all links to Commodore USA and any references to them from Amiga.org as you said to me in the PM "refrain from promoting pirate software on Amiga.org.", this of course should include any links you may have made yourself.
Yours Sincerely
Frank Spiers
CUSA has no pirate software available for download and I have been told they intend to have an online store similar to iTunes.
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Oi! I'm a Tory! :D
Don't worry, it's not quite incurable.
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CUSA has no pirate software available for download
Franko, why don't you just put links to torrent files, instead of hosting the actual downloads. That way you'll be sweet and nobody can complain.
Magnet links are good.
If you don't do it, I will.
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CUSA has no pirate software available for download and I have been told they intend to have an online store similar to iTunes.
I have just received your PM stating the above and as you wish to make this public I shall repeat my everything in full here as you seem quite determined to just single out me for some reason.
PM from Redrumloa...
Dear Franko,
You have received an infraction at Amiga.org.
Reason: Signature Rule Violation
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Remove link to pirate software in signature and refrain from promoting pirate software on Amiga.org.
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This infraction is worth 1 point(s) and may result in restricted access until it expires. Serious infractions will never expire.
Original Post:
http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?p=613169
Quote:
@ KThunder & AmigaNG
I do know what I am doing you know, whether legal or not that is my problem to deal with when the time comes. It's only my opinion but it's way past time this whole subject was brought out into the open and debated properly...
At the end of the day if no company is willing to re-release all this old software at a price that is fair & reasonable and make it easily available to purchase, then perhaps what I am doing may result in something being done to help bring this about...
All the best,
Amiga.org
Response From Me...
While I dispute the reason for this infraction and I dispute the the claim you make that this is a link to pirated software. I shall remove the link from my signature as requested...
Franko
I would like to point out here that within seconds of you issuing the infraction and without even reading the above PM sent by me you had already removed my signature with having the decency to allow me to do so myself.
PM from me to RedRumloa...
Hi Redrumloa
As it would seem only fair that I have to remove the link to my site from my signature for the reasons you gave.
I feel it only fair to ask you to remove all links to CommodoreUSAs site here on Amiga.org as they actively promote Piracy on their site.
See here for details...
http://www.commodoreusa.net/CUSA_OS.aspx
I refer of course to this line in their text, "No need to bother with floppy disks, as practically every game you ever owned is now readily available on the internet."
Thank You
Frank Spiers
Response from Redrumloa...
They do not have pirate software available for download. They intend to have an iTunes-like store.
Response from me...
I did not claim that they had pirate software to download. My point is that they are actively promoting piracy on their site.
Which if you claim and Amiga.org claims you do not condone or tolerate such things on this site then all links to Commodore USA should be removed also if you are to treat everyone fairly.
Now while you claim that any link to piracy will not be tolerated or condoned how is it then that there are many other such links on this site that have not been removed.
I give you this one for example (sorry petemaxi) which allows you to download PDF file of the OS3.9 manuals which are still under copyright and still available to buy from the likes of Vesalia. Piru had already pointed this out but why has this one not been removed and infractions issued.
http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthread.php?t=56084
Seems to me that you are interpreting the site rules to suit yourself and lack any decency or fairness in this matter, strange how this has all come about since your cosy wee visit with Barry & Dammy and your sudden change of heart towards CUSA.
Still if you want to be petty about this then I can lower myself to play that game too.
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Well, I own MOS 2.x and AOS4.x, would you be kind hosting a digital image of the above mentioned OSes in case my CDs fail?
Aside from the size of the images and the resulting bandwidth usage, there's little harm in hosting them.
MOS is freely distributable since it's shareware that needs a paid registration to actually function properly for more than half an hour.
AOS might as well be, since most anyone with hardware capable of running it has already paid for a license.
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Franko, why don't you just put links to torrent files, instead of hosting the actual downloads. That way you'll be sweet and nobody can complain.
Magnet links are good.
If you don't do it, I will.
Don't know anything about how to do that, but I'm more than happy to keep the downloads page on my site open until someone who has a genuine complaint about my site informs me personally... :)
In the past few days mainly thanks to CUSA & Dammy I've had more visitors to my site than I usually get in an entire month... :)
Still all the people who use my site (and many of them are members here) are quite happy to download stuff and support my efforts know how to find my site... :)
I had during the night received two emails from soldiers still stationed in Iraq who were most upset that certain folk are trying to force me to close the downloads section. As it seems they are running Amiga emulators on their laptops during their R&R time and find my site quite handy for games to download and play... :)
I have emailed them back with all of Dammys details (which were in the public domain before I even published them) and asked them to take it up with him as he is the cause of all of this... :)
It's just a shame for everyone else that the holier than thou brigade are out in force once again spewing their venom, but all details of such folk will be passed on to the folk who email me at my site enquiring just who these numpties are, as I've said that's their problem to deal with when the time comes... :)
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@Franko
It appears Commodore USA have changed the wording on their website to clarify the idea of legal downloads (http://www.commodoreusa.net/CUSA_OS.aspx).
No need to bother with floppy disks, as many games can be legally puchased and dowloaded from the internet directly on to your computer.
If you have a problem with my moderation, feel free to take it up with Pyromania.
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Aside from the size of the images and the resulting bandwidth usage, there's little harm in hosting them.
MOS is freely distributable since it's shareware that needs a paid registration to actually function properly for more than half an hour.
AOS might as well be, since most anyone with hardware capable of running it has already paid for a license.
I'll have to look into it and see what I can do, wouldn't want Red or Dammy or the other Copyright Mafia getting upset if I host something that lot think is illegal and can go screaming blue murder about... :)
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Cloanto are not the copyright holders of old Amiga OS, they just have a license to distribute. I would expect that for every copy of Amiga Forever that they sell, some money tickle in the direction of Amiga Inc. OTOH, Amiga Forever also includes an updated and altered kickstart, named kickstart 3.X, which pretty much is an OS 3.9 kickstart - I do wonder what legal rights Cloanto has to sell such an altered kickstart, I highly doubt that it too is coverered the original 1994 or so deal they have.
Oh, and I got my copy of AmigaForever for free from Cloanto, in exchange for linking to them from my site, and I assume, from my involvement in back2roots back in the days. :-)
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@Franko
It appears Commodore USA have changed the wording on their website to clarify the idea of legal downloads (http://www.commodoreusa.net/CUSA_OS.aspx).
If you have a problem with my moderation, feel free to take it up with Pyromania.
Bit late in the day now for them to do that, it's already well known what their site previously said, I'd laugh at it if it weren't so sickening...
As for your moderation the main dispute I have with your moderation is as I've made quite clear, you didn't even give me the opportunity to remove the link myself and within seconds of you sending the infraction PM and I was responding to it within seconds to inform you that I would remove the link. You removed my signature yourself without the decency to allow me to do so.
Trouble is Red if you'll just admit it your now of the opinion that CUSA are wonderful and anyone who disagrees with you or has anything to say about Barry or CUSA that you don't personally like are now threatened with infractions & censorship.
A bit hypocritical considering some of the things you've posted in the past about CUSA before your wee cosy meeting with Barry & Dammy.
Amazing to think that someone can be bought with a can of Coke Zero... :)
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It appears Commodore USA have changed the wording on their website to clarify the idea of legal downloads (http://www.commodoreusa.net/CUSA_OS.aspx).
Good to know that I can legally purchase and download games for the Commodore PET now.
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Bit late in the day now for them to do that, it's already well known what their site previously said, I'd laugh at it if it weren't so sickening...
As for your moderation the main dispute I have with your moderation is as I've made quite clear, you didn't even give me the opportunity to remove the link myself and within seconds of you sending the infraction PM and I was responding to it within seconds to inform you that I would remove the link. You removed my signature yourself without the decency to allow me to do so.
Trouble is Red if you'll just admit it your now of the opinion that CUSA are wonderful and anyone who disagrees with you or has anything to say about Barry or CUSA that you don't personally like are now threatened with infractions & censorship.
A bit hypocritical considering some of the things you've posted in the past about CUSA before your wee cosy meeting with Barry & Dammy.
Amazing to think that someone can be bought with a can of Coke Zero... :)
Oh, back to conspiracy. I need to go buy more popcorn, seems Franko can't accept he was wrong and will continue the drama even further. :crazy:
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Dammy,
Your horribly mistaken if you think anyone can prove ownership of the roms at this point in time...
No one can legally prove ownership of os1.x-3.x either.
Its only the people raping the corpse of amiga trying to make money off ancient disks and roms that care about anyone posting files.
And another thing to the moderators. You better start checking everyone's signatures. I just download abandonware from people's sites all the time. I get those links from their sites, which are usually in their signatures.
Someone IS being a bit unfair to franko, that is for certain.
If you want to apply rules, they must apply to all here.
Steven
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Oh, back to conspiracy. I need to go buy more popcorn, seems Franko can't accept he was wrong and will continue the drama even further. :crazy:
Randy, Randy, Randy, that's about all there is worth saying about you really... :)
(Not much is it... :))
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Randy, Randy, Randy, that's about all there is worth saying about you really... :)
(Not much is it... :))
Try sitting on a ice pack, perhaps that will reduce the pain your feeling.
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Try sitting on a ice pack, perhaps that will reduce the pain your feeling.
Ha, butt jokes and bad grammar, this dude's gotta be about 12.
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And another thing to the moderators. You better start checking everyone's signatures. I just download abandonware from people's sites all the time. I get those links from their sites, which are usually in their signatures.
Someone IS being a bit unfair to franko, that is for certain.
If you want to apply rules, they must apply to all here.
Steven
They do apply to everyone. Moderators don't check every sig link, but we do check when something is reported. Franko's pirate site was pointed out to me this morning, no one has ever reported it before. If someone else is linking to pirate kickstart roms, click the report button.
I personally do not care about abandonware, up to and including KS ROMS. The truth of the matter is the TOS includes this for a specific reason. In years past this website has received credible legal threats which prompted the rule. Wayne clarified this rule a few years back to where general discussion of piracy is allowed, but linking to specific pirate software is stil not. Kickstart roms are still legally licensed and legally available as a commerical product (see Amiga Forever).
You could ask Pyromania to relax the rule even further if you wish.
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Hmm... Just received an email from "commodore@amiga.com" in regard to my CommodoreScotland.com site...
I wonder who this could be !!! and what his actual complaint is, seem the games afoot now... :)
Just wondering especially from those of you who are both members here and members of my site what your opinions on this are and if you find my CommodoreScotland.com site entertaining & useful (for what it is so far)... :)
Only read the first post, But I think its because you don't have the right to use the commodore name. Simple. You will loois
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Cloanto are not the copyright holders of old Amiga OS, they just have a license to distribute. I would expect that for every copy of Amiga Forever that they sell, some money tickle in the direction of Amiga Inc. OTOH, Amiga Forever also includes an updated and altered kickstart, named kickstart 3.X, which pretty much is an OS 3.9 kickstart - I do wonder what legal rights Cloanto has to sell such an altered kickstart, I highly doubt that it too is coverered the original 1994 or so deal they have.
Oh, and I got my copy of AmigaForever for free from Cloanto, in exchange for linking to them from my site, and I assume, from my involvement in back2roots back in the days. :-)
http://www.amigaforever.com/kb/3-122.html
The text on that page has been updated, and it's a good reference as to their position.
It has always been understood that until all lawsuits and/or settlements are complete that no amiga/amigalike companies will ever be able to conduct business in peace and without threat of further legal activity.
Then again, it seems that is the true legacy, so...
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Only read the first post, But I think its because you don't have the right to use the commodore name. Simple. You will loois
As usual JJ you are wrong I legally purchased the domain name CommodoreScotland.com and there is nothing you can or anyone else can do about it...simples... :)
(PS: how do I loois and what do I loois... :))
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As usual JJ you are wrong I legally purchased the domain name CommodoreScotland.com and there is nothing you can or anyone else can do about it...simples... :)
(PS: how do I loois and what do I loois... :))
Well, obviously the issue isn't the domain. Many sites have the word 'Amiga' in them and are happily linked from here.
However, I have been here a fair while, and Amiga.org (and AWN etc) have always clamped down on linking to sites that allow downloading of S/W that is not GPLd or proven to be free. KS ROMs and workbench were always a total no no.
It's been a fair while since I noticed any of these threads so it is easy to see how Franko missed this. I must admit, I heard of C-Scotland for a while but I never went there - I was pretty slack jawed when I did visit and saw the links on the front page!
I can't see the point really because;
1:) People can use their own ROMs off a real Amiga
2:)Use Cloantos ROMs
3:)If poor or desperate, Google down a few pages and finf them that way.
A-org never facilitated this process and I guess they never will - I suspect you got away lightly given that this is 2011 not 2003.
All IMHO of course!
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Well, obviously the issue isn't the domain. Many sites have the word 'Amiga' in them and are happily linked from here.
However, I have been here a fair while, and Amiga.org (and AWN etc) have always clamped down on linking to sites that allow downloading of S/W that is not GPLd or proven to be free. KS ROMs and workbench were always a total no no.
It's been a fair while since I noticed any of these threads so it is easy to see how Franko missed this. I must admit, I heard of C-Scotland for a while but I never went there - I was pretty slack jawed when I did visit and saw the links on the front page!
I can't see the point really because;
1:) People can use their own ROMs off a real Amiga
2:)Use Cloantos ROMs
3:)If poor or desperate, Google down a few pages and finf them that way.
A-org never facilitated this process and I guess they never will - I suspect you got away lightly given that this is 2011 not 2003.
All IMHO of course!
Your perfectly entitled to your opinion... :)
But I do find it a wee bit odd that you were "pretty slack jawed" about my site when you then go on here to explain to folk that they can just google for them anyway... seem like advocating "Piracy" to me, just like I have been accused of... :)
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You could ask Pyromania to relax the rule even further if you wish.
Please don't relax them. Piracy promotion should be left to other sites.
I'm an open source proponent and I feel that if all licenses would be obeyed more open source would grow a lot.
greets,
Staf.
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I can't seem to find KS ROM socket in my PC.
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They do apply to everyone. Moderators don't check every sig link, but we do check when something is reported. Franko's pirate site was pointed out to me this morning, no one has ever reported it before. If someone else is linking to pirate kickstart roms, click the report button.
I personally do not care about abandonware, up to and including KS ROMS. The truth of the matter is the TOS includes this for a specific reason. In years past this website has received credible legal threats which prompted the rule. Wayne clarified this rule a few years back to where general discussion of piracy is allowed, but linking to specific pirate software is stil not. Kickstart roms are still legally licensed and legally available as a commerical product (see Amiga Forever).
You could ask Pyromania to relax the rule even further if you wish.
Damn I get tired of these anal retentive arguments on this subject!
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Damn I get tired of these anal retentive arguments on this subject!
Yeah that may be true, but you are not the one footing the bill to keep the server up and running. The owner of THIS board is the one that will have the legal issues if someone posts links to known piracy sites...
It amazes me how everyone bitches about the facts and take it out on the moderators and board owners. The facts are that there are laws and if they are not followed someone will enforce them and quite often this will cause a lot of issues for folks that have absolutely NOTHING to do with the infraction.
For all you folks that disregard the courts and want to sponsor files and what-not that legally belong to someone else, by all means go ahead as Franko has and knock yourselves out.. But don't disregard the rules on this forum and cause issues for Amiga.org...
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...some outlaw! ;)
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...some outlaw! ;)
HaHa.. OK that was pretty funny...
For the record, I am not going to give any views for or against in regards to the relative merits of pirating or not pirating software.. I will also not be dragged into a debate as to the LEGITIMACY of the current laws regarding piracy and how they relate to the current Amiga entity or it's related software... The legal arguments are complex and the money involved substantial...
Unfortunately, people get too hung up on their own personal opinions regarding a particular law or how a particular company enforces the law, but the sad fact is that the law is just that. Whether you like it or agree with it.. Or not.
My email above is simply stating that Amiga.org has to follow the law to the letter or risk everything. We as forum dudes risk nothing and while our opinions are important, they are not the end all be all...
Take a second and ask yourself.. If it was my board and my money and my sweat running it... Wouldn't you put measures in place to safeguard it too?
You can bet your ASS I would!
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I too am fed up with all this CUSA crap, yes I know I've been a big part of it only because I feel so strongly about it, still it's no excuse however for the division and harm that it's causing the Amiga community here.
I have done my part and removed the downloads page from my site and would like to offer my advice to Pyromania that the best thing to do would be delete and ban/lock all posts/threads that have anything to with CUSA from the site altogether... :)
Why should I advice Pyromania on this, simple he has been asking members on EAB for advice on what folk think he should do with all the problems the CUSA threads are causing here on Amiga.org.
See this link for Pyromanias comments...
http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=57665
I know banning all references to CUSA may seem draconian but even I know as time goes on it's only going to get worse as my feelings on CUSA are so strong that I know I would be unable not to reply to some of the things I find objectionable posted here on Amiga.org with regard to CUSA.
This thread and the others currently running are perfect examples of this and I do take my share of the blame for starting some of them. I would be more than happy never to read another comment here with regard to CUSA and it would stop me from wasting other members here and my own time by responding to them and keeping this whole sorry episode going, for which I apologise to all the members here for spoiling your enjoyment of this great site.
Perhaps Pyromania has had enough feedback now on EAB to make his decision and could let us all know what he has decided. Personally though I reckon for all involved here that it's time to bring an end to this and I admit it myself by my own actions the pathetic and childish at times fighting and squabbling here on Amiga.org.
At the end of the day I honestly think this would only be for benefit of all members here on Amiga.org... :)
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So fake it hurts :D
Ignore it, and only worry if a physical letter actually arrives from a actually existing advocate located in your very own country.
true. the guy is a raving loon.
Actually there have been successful attempts to legally force people to remove wb/ks rom images from peoples sites. Personally I think youre potentially asking for trouble keeping them there, especially in light of you drawing attention to yourself. I dont really care myself, but I'd be surprised if it wasnt just a matter of time before you received genuine emails over it. As for OS4.x, it's the amiga based OS I have least interest in, but to call it crap just 'cos it doesnt run well on an old bppc+aga combo is a bit far fetched.
I have only looked at page one of this thread but when I went to the site in question I saw who was (once again) to blame.
I must say, that i am MOST impressed by the use of Stiff Little Fingers. One of my ALL time favorite bands :pint:
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As I said moto and I don't mean this to sound childish (just can't think of any other way to word it) but Dammy started with the name calling crap and so I treat folks the same way they treat me if that means sinking to their level then so be it but I'm not the type of person who just sits there and lets folk say things about me without responding... :)
Sorry if you have found all this offensive, but I can't explain it any better than that... :)
dammy is a moron and you shouldn't lower yourself to his level
that said, I understand your feelings
and i do wish to add that I have bought Amiga Forever and I did so for a variety of reasons (Since I did use WinUAE for years). One is to support a great product. another is to have a variety of "Amigas" under one roof. And this way i get to play with AmigaSys (altho it appears that pngs don't get seen. I guess that set up needs Powericons), AmiKit (although I borked something and that isn't booting right now.) and even run an Amiga 1000 just for kicks.
I didn't see your site before so I can't say i know what was/is going on there. But unless we are talking about dickless "I Love to Waterboard" chaney I see no reason for name calling :)
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dickless "I Love to Waterboard" chaney
What'd Lon ever do to you?!
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ldabc4jYH41qblt5bo1_400.jpg)
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true. the guy is a raving loon.
I have only looked at page one of this thread but when I went to the site in question I saw who was (once again) to blame.
I must say, that i am MOST impressed by the use of Stiff Little Fingers. One of my ALL time favorite bands :pint:
Cheers Cecilla for you kind comments... :)
I aint even gonna mention that persons name here, lets just say I hope for his sake he can handle some of the every angry responses I've had on my sight from folks all over the world on my site, his problem now not mine... :)
On a brighter note and just for the sheer hell of it (and to rub it in to Warner Music Group) here's S.L.F. and they can't ban it cos they lost the little battle with me... ;)
[youtube]ll8KTae3AA0[/youtube]
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Right now we got that cleared up you know some of your mp3 might be....ho never mind. :)
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I too am fed up with all this CUSA crap, yes I know I've been a big part of it only because I feel so strongly about it, still it's no excuse however for the division and harm that it's causing the Amiga community here.
I have done my part and removed the downloads page from my site and would like to offer my advice to Pyromania that the best thing to do would be delete and ban/lock all posts/threads that have anything to with CUSA from the site altogether... :)
Why should I advice Pyromania on this, simple he has been asking members on EAB for advice on what folk think he should do with all the problems the CUSA threads are causing here on Amiga.org.
See this link for Pyromanias comments...
http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=57665
I know banning all references to CUSA may seem draconian but even I know as time goes on it's only going to get worse as my feelings on CUSA are so strong that I know I would be unable not to reply to some of the things I find objectionable posted here on Amiga.org with regard to CUSA.
This thread and the others currently running are perfect examples of this and I do take my share of the blame for starting some of them. I would be more than happy never to read another comment here with regard to CUSA and it would stop me from wasting other members here and my own time by responding to them and keeping this whole sorry episode going, for which I apologise to all the members here for spoiling your enjoyment of this great site.
Perhaps Pyromania has had enough feedback now on EAB to make his decision and could let us all know what he has decided. Personally though I reckon for all involved here that it's time to bring an end to this and I admit it myself by my own actions the pathetic and childish at times fighting and squabbling here on Amiga.org.
At the end of the day I honestly think this would only be for benefit of all members here on Amiga.org... :)
comment from that board:I kinda like some aspects of Amiga.org, but it is fast becoming moobunny in a suit...
WHAT???? not even close! bunny is certifiable. AO actually has interesting discussions.
there are crazy people all over but I never felt that AO let things get too nutty. and we have socks here!
yes indeed! :)
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Right now we got that cleared up you know some of your mp3 might be....ho never mind. :)
Don't push yer luck matey, the MP3's are not for downloading and are provided as part of the contract of the SiteMaker Package from NamesCo the host whom I have to pay a fee every month to allow the use of the MP3 Player... :)
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What'd Lon ever do to you?!
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ldabc4jYH41qblt5bo1_400.jpg)
spell checker fail
LOL
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comment from that board:WHAT???? not even close! bunny is certifiable. AO actually has interesting discussions.
there are crazy people all over but I never felt that AO let things get too nutty. and we have socks here!
yes indeed! :)
I used to have socks, but I ate them... :)
(PS: it's not the crazy folk that worry me, It's the ones who claim to be sane the give me the heebie jeebies... ;))
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Anyone who complained about your site is probably one of the people still trying to rob the grave of amiga. (or they have close friends who are those people)
These people will never concede it, but no one can prove ownership of anything like amiga roms or wb 1.x-3.x. They never prove they own anything, merely say "prove I don't own it." which is a bullshit argument.
If I own something, a car a house, I can certainly show proof of ownership and would if there was ever any question. The same would go for any business holdings I have.
Never once has any of these people claiming ownership proven ownership of either os roms, source, names, trademarks, patents.
NEVER. Not once. Now they may sue each other and claim ownership, but never has anyone really challenged any of their claims.
The rights have transferred so many times and most of those contracts are no longer valid because many of the parties do not exist.
In regards to AINC especially, illegal and unlawful transfer of ownership from shell to shell would negate their legal claims. Look it up.
A decent lawyer would destroy them in court.
Amiga IP transferred so many times, no one can legally prove ownership of anything. If they tell you otherwise, I have an attorney who can surely prove otherwise.
In regard to the games, I think a message saying if anyone objects to their content being hosted here, merely email me and it will be taken down as soon as I receive the email is suffecient. The truth is, most people don't object. Like I said, its only the amiga grave robbers that cry and
complain and always try and start trouble.
As far as A.org having liability. Placing a notice in the terms of service stating that if you post pirate/commercial links YOU are responsible not A.org, thats suffecient to cover themselves legally. This is a bullshit argument for siding with the grave robbers. (no offense)
Franko...
Care to mirror your old site? I have alot of bandwidth I'm not using and great bulldog lawyer.
Steven
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Hi Steven
Thanks for the comments and offer, but things aren't over yet or quite as they seem. Right now I have several backers who are working out things behind the scenes thanks to some very kind and generous offers I received in personal emails to me through my site.
In fact some of the names involved totally shocked me and I though it was a joke at first but have managed to verify that they are in fact genuine and very well known in the Amiga community.
As they have asked not to have their names disclosed yet and for me not give away any specific details about what they are planning, I shall have to respect their wishes and can only say this.
To all the greeting face gits here who whine about copyright it would seem your in for a very big surprise sometime in the future if all goes according to plan. My little "crusade" seems to have drawn a hell of a lot of attention from some of the former big players in the Commdore/Amiga industry and they plus the countless others who have joined this cause are currently along with myself planning a course of action that should put an end once and for all to those who cry "Piracy"... :)
The only reason the downloads page has been removed for now is so as not to cause any damage to the plan of action. It's not going to be easy as I've had it explained to me but I know a thing or two myself that hadn't crossed the minds of those who tried to solve these issues in the past and things even at this early stage are looking very bright indeed... :)
All I can say for now is watch/wait and see as it looks like a whole new saga in the history of the Amiga is only just about to begin... :)
And to all those who want to cry BS and prove it, I have no need to as time will show itself just who is talking BS... :)
To put it simply I have never lost a court case in my life as I am wise enough to know when something can or can't be won otherwise I wouldn't even waste my time on it... :)
Anyway, Steven thanks once again for the kind offer, Much appreciated and I'll keep you informed on what is happening... :)
Cheers
Franko
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Good for you Franko.
Some of us see right through the source of this trouble for you.
I will gladly donate hosting space for your files, an ftp mirror, legal services in the united states, or anything else I can provide to help you.
You've got the grave robbers running scared. Good for you.
Its about time we all started standing up to the grave robbers.
Steven
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Good for you Franko.
Some of us see right through the source of this trouble for you.
I will gladly donate hosting space for your files, an ftp mirror, legal services in the united states, or anything else I can provide to help you.
You've got the grave robbers running scared. Good for you.
Its about time we all started standing up to the grave robbers.
Steven
Agreed 100%... :)
I shall have to ask first about your offer as I don't want to to anything that may jeopardise anything that is being put in place right now... :)
The grave robbers have no idea what is coming and that's the way it has to remain until the time is right, but I have had quite a lot of support on my site from members here although the vast majority don't really bother with such things and that's fine, it's the ones who constantly moan about things but never back up their words that should put their money where there mouth is and start to do something about it... :)
Oddly enough most of the support is coming from folk who don't even use these forums but still actively use there Amigas which a certain member here tried to tell me just a few days ago that there were no such people still out there, kinda make me wonder if any of these folk ever leave their keyboards and dare to venture out into the big bad world... :)
Cheers
Franko
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Anyone who complained about your site is probably one of the people still trying to rob the grave of amiga. (or they have close friends who are those people)
These people will never concede it, but no one can prove ownership of anything like amiga roms or wb 1.x-3.x. They never prove they own anything, merely say "prove I don't own it." which is a bullshit argument.
If I own something, a car a house, I can certainly show proof of ownership and would if there was ever any question. The same would go for any business holdings I have.
Never once has any of these people claiming ownership proven ownership of either os roms, source, names, trademarks, patents.
NEVER. Not once. Now they may sue each other and claim ownership, but never has anyone really challenged any of their claims.
The rights have transferred so many times and most of those contracts are no longer valid because many of the parties do not exist.
In regards to AINC especially, illegal and unlawful transfer of ownership from shell to shell would negate their legal claims. Look it up.
A decent lawyer would destroy them in court.
I guess Hyperion didn't have a decent lawyer then, otherwise instead of a settlement there would have been a judgment against AInc. Or is the settlement an example of Ben Hermans generosity?
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I guess Hyperion didn't have a decent lawyer then, otherwise instead of a settlement there would have been a judgment against AInc. Or is the settlement an example of Ben Hermans generosity?
Read all the court documents. Hyperion's lawyers never challenged AINC's lawful ownership of IP, trademark or copyrights. That may have been a costly adventure to their cause in the end.
Steven
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@jorkany
If you read all the Amiga Inc. vs Cloanto docs and decisions, you'll see it's about "usage".
Long story short...the judge is in hysterics over AI's claims.
Much like the Amiga Inc. vs Garry Hare case where the judge basically said "stop wasting my time".
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@Franko
I reported your original post, not through any mean spirited feeling towards you or your site. Frankly I couldn't care less what you host on your site but when you start a thread and the first post links directly to your downloads page you could get this site into legal trouble. So I reported the post so the owner/mods knew what was been discussed.
Whether its naivity, stupidity or arrogance on your part, is not for me to say. Having been a member of a user group that received legal threat from A.inc for selling boing ball case stickers I know how easy it is to fall foul of copyright law, and it would be easier for A.inc to have a go at Amiga.org than commodorescotland as they are in the same country.
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isn't A inc dead?
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isn't A inc dead?
No.
#6
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Your perfectly entitled to your opinion... :)
But I do find it a wee bit odd that you were "pretty slack jawed" about my site when you then go on here to explain to folk that they can just google for them anyway... seem like advocating "Piracy" to me, just like I have been accused of... :)
Well, like I said, most of these old threads would start with 'Where do I get to download KS, etc', then run with folk baying for the people who posted links and the OP to get banned. Invariably the thread would end with some old lag saying 'Why didn't they just drill down through a dozen google pages and leave A.org out of it. I figured this was common knowledge. When I saw the site I figured that either A.org policy would change or you would get a slagging off - that's why I was slack jawed!
I don't have an opinion either way about the actual ethics of the content of the site other than it looked like a lot of work went into it. I don't believe anyone these days deserves to 'own' the IP for that stuff.
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@Franko
I reported your original post, not through any mean spirited feeling towards you or your site. Frankly I couldn't care less what you host on your site but when you start a thread and the first post links directly to your downloads page you could get this site into legal trouble. So I reported the post so the owner/mods knew what was been discussed.
Whether its naivity, stupidity or arrogance on your part, is not for me to say. Having been a member of a user group that received legal threat from A.inc for selling boing ball case stickers I know how easy it is to fall foul of copyright law, and it would be easier for A.inc to have a go at Amiga.org than commodorescotland as they are in the same country.
Not to worry gazgood you did what you felt was right for your own reasons, I bear no ill will towards you. In fact events which basically stemmed from the various threads here over the past week have actually begun to prove very positive for my site and for my so called "crusade".
I knew perfectly well what I was doing and it succeeded perfectly as planned, now that things are underway behind the scenes I have very high hopes that my simple plan to try and put an end to all the crap that the Amiga community has had to put up with over all these years will hopefully sometime in the near future be laid to rest once and for all... :)
Just wish some more members of the community here would help to support this cause and not just leave up to folk like myself or those who don't even involve themselves in the forums but are still active Amiga users worldwide... :)
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Whether its naivity, stupidity or arrogance on your part, is not for me to say. Having been a member of a user group that received legal threat from A.inc for selling boing ball case stickers I know how easy it is to fall foul of copyright law, and it would be easier for A.inc to have a go at Amiga.org than commodorescotland as they are in the same country.
Did it occur to you if you rotated or flipped the boing ball either direction the trademark is no longer valid therefore A.inc can't do bollocks? :)
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Not to worry gazgood you did what you felt was right for your own reasons, I bear no ill will towards you. In fact events which basically stemmed from the various threads here over the past week have actually begun to prove very positive for my site and for my so called "crusade".
I knew perfectly well what I was doing and it succeeded perfectly as planned, now that things are underway behind the scenes I have very high hopes that my simple plan to try and put an end to all the crap that the Amiga community has had to put up with over all these years will hopefully sometime in the near future be laid to rest once and for all... :)
Just wish some more members of the community here would help to support this cause and not just leave up to folk like myself or those who don't even involve themselves in the forums but are still active Amiga users worldwide... :)
So i'm assuming you and others are going to challenge A.inc over their copyrights/trademarks on Amiga? This should be interesting :)
If you want help from me i will summon my army of nazi zombies to help you :)
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No.
#6
For all intents and purposes a.inc has been dead for years, and only in a zombie-like vegetative state before that...
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For all intents and purposes a.inc has been dead for years, and only in a zombie-like vegetative state before that...
No argument.
#6
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For all intents and purposes a.inc has been dead for years, and only in a zombie-like vegetative state before that...
That's exactly what John Hurt thought about the Alien egg.....
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That's exactly what John Hurt thought about the Alien egg.....
True, but the Alien egg didn't get sued by his landlord.
He just changed locations. Oh wait...
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If anybody owns the kick-start roms, wouldn't it be Acer? They bought Gateway 2000 iirc, not that they probably even know they own anything Amiga, anybody ever tried contacting them?
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That's exactly what John Hurt thought about the Alien egg.....
Great, now I have an image of McBill facehugging people in my head.
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Great, now I have an image of McBill facehugging people in my head.
Here's a new image for you!
(http://cbmvax.com/cornholio.jpg)
Should've had this one days ago.
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@tone007
haha Excellent
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Here's a new image for you!
(http://cbmvax.com/cornholio.jpg)
Should've had this one days ago.
Oooh.. you can be cruel so you can...
I'll have you know that according to those soldiers in Iraq who emailed me I'm regarded now as some sort of Cult figure over there, at least I think that's what they meant, I think they made a typo in the word Cult... :)
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Here's a new image for you!
(http://cbmvax.com/cornholio.jpg)
Should've had this one days ago.
and then there's this:
Authority! (http://www.sawneybean.com/extra/images/CartBuck.mov)
:roflmao:
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Hi Franko
Sorry to be a pain but read this page on the Cloanto website about copyright
http://www.amigaforever.com/kb/13-122
PS Still think your site is good.
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here's a new image for you!
(http://cbmvax.com/cornholio.jpg)
should've had this one days ago.
frankholio
need amiga for him bunghole.
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No.
#6
Shame...
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S.L.F.
[youtube]ll8KTae3AA0[/youtube]
My parents used to run about with Stiff Little Fingers and other punk bands.
By all accounts, SLF were complete kittys.
Just thought i'd let you know.
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(http://datbase.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/i_like_where_this_thread_is_going1.jpg)
:pint: :banana: :hat: :afro: :D
/me throws a bag of popcorn in the microwave...
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My parents used to run about with Stiff Little Fingers and other punk bands.
By all accounts, SLF were complete kittys.
Just thought i'd let you know.
That's fine by me some of my best friends & family are like that... :)
Gotta be honest, I couldn't care if they were mass murders or even CUSA employees, they made some of the best punk music ever... :)
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(http://datbase.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/i_like_where_this_thread_is_going1.jpg)
:pint: :banana: :hat: :afro: :D
/me throws a bag of popcorn in the microwave...
Could you tell me where it's going, cos I haven't got the foggiest... :)
On a totally unrelated subject however I would just like to take this opportunity to say...
Chocolate spanners, mince 'n' tattie, worms with big bums and of course the obligatory Wibble... :)
Oi you get down off my ceiling...
Where did my dead dog go...
The fairies at the bottom of me garden are really, really fat & smelly and they're at least 200 feet tall sideways...
My meds are running out...
Help...
Too late beyond help now... :)
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wait....
what? :afro:
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Could you tell me where it's going, cos I haven't got the foggiest... :)
On a totally unrelated subject however I would just like to take this opportunity to say...
Chocolate spanners, mince 'n' tattie, worms with big bums and of course the obligatory Wibble... :)
Oi you get down off my ceiling...
Where did my dead dog go...
The fairies at the bottom of me garden are really, really fat & smelly and they're at least 200 feet tall sideways...
My meds are running out...
Help...
Too late beyond help now... :)
OK, funs over! One of you blocks take the poor li'le sod back to he's rubber room! I think he's tuckered!
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Yeah that may be true, but you are not the one footing the bill to keep the server up and running. The owner of THIS board is the one that will have the legal issues if someone posts links to known piracy sites...
It amazes me how everyone bitches about the facts and take it out on the moderators and board owners. The facts are that there are laws and if they are not followed someone will enforce them and quite often this will cause a lot of issues for folks that have absolutely NOTHING to do with the infraction.
For all you folks that disregard the courts and want to sponsor files and what-not that legally belong to someone else, by all means go ahead as Franko has and knock yourselves out.. But don't disregard the rules on this forum and cause issues for Amiga.org...
OMG! And who are you?! I am pretty sure Jim knows what I was aiming at, even if you obviously don't have a clue. Sorry if that went over your head.
You should re-read your 2nd paragraph, and then re-read my post. Maybe it'll sink in....
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OMG! And who are you?! I am pretty sure Jim knows what I was aiming at, even if you obviously don't have a clue. Sorry if that went over your head.
You should re-read your 2nd paragraph, and then re-read my post. Maybe it'll sink in....
Not sure why you are upset with my posting.. I guess I am clearly missing your point.. Genuinely sorry if I offended anyone, I just thought you were complaining about the debate and I was simply trying to clarify WHY the debate...
No offense was intended...
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Not to worry gazgood you did what you felt was right for your own reasons, I bear no ill will towards you. In fact events which basically stemmed from the various threads here over the past week have actually begun to prove very positive for my site and for my so called "crusade".
I knew perfectly well what I was doing and it succeeded perfectly as planned, now that things are underway behind the scenes I have very high hopes that my simple plan to try and put an end to all the crap that the Amiga community has had to put up with over all these years will hopefully sometime in the near future be laid to rest once and for all... :)
Just wish some more members of the community here would help to support this cause and not just leave up to folk like myself or those who don't even involve themselves in the forums but are still active Amiga users worldwide... :)
Commodore Amiga Iran will be hosting all legacy Kickstarts and installation media for Amiga OS versions from 1.x to 4.x on their website as free downloads as a gift to the community.
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Commodore Amiga Iran will be hosting all legacy Kickstarts and installation media for Amiga OS versions from 1.x to 4.x on their website as free downloads as a gift to the community.
If there is any ROMs or indeed any Amiga software Commodore Amiga Iran requires then Commodore Scotland will be more than happy to supply it free of charge of course... ;)
(might even ask Mr George Galloway if he can deliver them personally on his next trip... :))
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basically feel the same - I don't have to marry the guys in SLF, I just want to listen to the music.
I swear it always felt as if Jake was singing directly to me. now THAT is a talent
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Commodore Amiga Iran will be hosting all legacy Kickstarts and installation media for Amiga OS versions from 1.x to 4.x on their website as free downloads as a gift to the community.
When does the Commodore Amiga Iran site go up? I need some free downloads! :)
You could use Commodore Amiga China also, they don't subscribe to our laws on copyrights and ignore them all the time. :roflmao:
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When does the Commodore Amiga Iran site go up? I need some free downloads! :)
You could use Commodore Amiga China also, they don't subscribe to our laws on copyrights and ignore them all the time. :roflmao:
Well I was hoping to have my new site up and running today "AmigaUK.com" and thus allowing CommodoreScotland.com to get back to business as usual... :)
Unfortunately my old host of "AmigaUK.com" mucked up the transfer and so it's going to be a few more days before you can access your nice free downloads again... :(
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When does the Commodore Amiga Iran site go up? I need some free downloads! :)
We don't want to put up a "shop front" nor bullshi^H^H^H^H^H speculate about our future products unlike certain other companies that have similar names to ours.
Not long now though. :)
You could use Commodore Amiga China also, they don't subscribe to our laws on copyrights and ignore them all the time. :roflmao:
The China branch is our manufacturing wing.
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If there is any ROMs or indeed any Amiga software Commodore Amiga Iran requires then Commodore Scotland will be more than happy to supply it free of charge of course... ;)
(might even ask Mr George Galloway if he can deliver them personally on his next trip... :))
Want me to give him your salaams next time I see him? :)
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Want me to give him your salaams next time I see him? :)
If you would please, and ask him where that barrel of oil is he promised me for certain favours I did when he MP for Glasgow Hillhead district... ;)
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I think Franko is highlight here a very good question:
"Who does actually own AMIGA OS?"
I very much doubt that any of the parties claiming to own the OS can legally prove this.
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I think Franko is highlight here a very good question:
"Who does actually own AMIGA OS?"
I very much doubt that any of the parties claiming to own the OS can legally prove this.
The court case was not a judgment, it was a settlement.
According to Hyperion:
"the rights of Hyperion to the "AmigaOS" trademark are exclusive, nobody but Hyperion can release AmigaOS 5, 6 etc."
The name Amiga OS still exists on amiga.com, which shows that ownership is different than right to develop and distribute.
http://www.amiga.com/sales
"LET'S TALK ABOUT" (snip) "AmigaOS"
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I think Franko is highlight here a very good question:
"Who does actually own AMIGA OS?"
I very much doubt that any of the parties claiming to own the OS can legally prove this.
I can, but the documents are all written in Farsi.
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I think Franko is highlight here a very good question:
"Who does actually own AMIGA OS?"
I very much doubt that any of the parties claiming to own the OS can legally prove this.
Well according to that well know Amiga history site it looks like nobody owns it.
I very much doubt that anyone could succesfully seek damages against someone giving away 3.1 ROMS or even OS 3.1 itself.
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I think Franko is highlight here a very good question:
"Who does actually own AMIGA OS?"
I very much doubt that any of the parties claiming to own the OS can legally prove this.
Gateway was the last rights holder after escom folded. A inc licenced the rights.
he who holds the rights, controls the rights -(so says maud'dib of commodore iran)
I notice red has gone very quiet...and no pyro either?
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Well according to that well know Amiga history site it looks like nobody owns it.
I very much doubt that anyone could succesfully seek damages against someone giving away 3.1 ROMS or even OS 3.1 itself.
Although you must consider what has transpired since settlement, this thread still offers the best information from several different standpoints.
Hyperion/ITEC/AMINO Agreement posted on Justia.com (http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?mode=viewtopic&topic_id=30248&forum=2&start=0&viewmode=flat&order=0)
A lot of the pre-OS4.x angles are discussed here.
At the very least, it's a good starting point to understanding.
As with most amiga truths, most of it comes down to which posters you trust to be objective.
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At the end of the day I really don't give a monkey's who owns any of it... :)
If all these a-hole companies who claim to own it then why don't they do one of two things...
Release the damn stuff at a fair price so that folk looking for it can easily purchase it and don't give me the crap that you can legally buy it on Amiga Forever, why should someone who has no use for Amiga Forever be forced to purchase that to obtain just the Workbench disks or ROM images... :madashell:
Or cut the crap out altogether and just let it be placed in the public domain where it really belongs in this day and age... :)
There is fat chance of either happening as the A-holes who claim ownership over this stuff would rather let it rot than see the Amiga community putting it to good use... :madashell:
F the lot of them I say and same to all those who harp on about it still being copyright... :)
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Release the damn stuff at a fair price so that folk looking for it can easily purchase it and don't give me the crap that you can legally buy it on Amiga Forever, why should someone who has no use for Amiga Forever be forced to purchase that to obtain just the Workbench disks or ROM images... :madashell:
Or cut the crap out altogether and just let it be placed in the public domain where it really belongs in this day and age... :)
Amen to that.
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Release the damn stuff at a fair price so that folk looking for it can easily purchase it and don't give me the crap that you can legally buy it on Amiga Forever, why should someone who has no use for Amiga Forever be forced to purchase that to obtain just the Workbench disks or ROM images... :madashell:
You can look at it differently: 9.99EUR for ROM 1.3 and OS 1.3, 29.99EUR for all ROMs and Workbench versions. And you get a free simulation program with it that you may choose not to use.
greets,
Staf.
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You can look at it differently: 9.99EUR for ROM 1.3 and OS 1.3, 29.99EUR for all ROMs and Workbench versions. And you get a free simulation program with it that you may choose not to use.
greets,
Staf.
Or you can look at it this way, just google the net and get them for free and then you don't have to be conned into buying a "simulation program" that you don't want... :)
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You can look at it differently: 9.99EUR for ROM 1.3 and OS 1.3, 29.99EUR for all ROMs and Workbench versions. And you get a free simulation program with it that you may choose not to use.
Mandatory bundling is already the plague of the modern marketplace; I'll be damned if I accept it worming its way into retrocomputing.
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Mandatory bundling is already the plague of the modern marketplace; I'll be damned if I accept it worming its way into retrocomputing.
So much for respecting other people's property.
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So much for respecting other people's property.
Both the names Commodore and Amiga belong to me.
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So much for respecting other people's property.
If "respecting other people's property" necessitates playing along when someone buys the distribution rights to something they didn't even create and then makes it available only when purchased with other products, then I will disrespect other people's property proudly and without regret, thank you.
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You can look at it differently: 9.99EUR for ROM 1.3 and OS 1.3, 29.99EUR for all ROMs and Workbench versions. And you get a free simulation program with it that you may choose not to use.
Indeed, WinUAE is free anyway, so you're basically only paying for the ROMs and OS.
Or you can look at it this way, just google the net and get them for free and then you don't have to be conned into buying a "simulation program" that you don't want... :)
You can take the same approach to music and movies. There's no need to let what's right or wrong come into it. :rolleyes:
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Release the damn stuff at a fair price so that folk looking for it can easily purchase it and don't give me the crap that you can legally buy it on Amiga Forever, why should someone who has no use for Amiga Forever be forced to purchase that to obtain just the Workbench disks or ROM images... :madashell:
Amiga Forever is a good program and I feel should be supported, ok it not an ideal way of getting roms and workbench disks and can understand your frustration if you are purchasing the programs for just the workbench disks, but would it help to know your supporting a long standing Amiga company, one of the last few Cloanto, you would help them improve their products, that they have actively supported Amiga shows and events in the past, they support amiga based competitions, give there software away to alot of amiga users and user groups for testing and review purchases and they even support the Kickstart replacement effort and other bounty's, which I find really odd as it will go directly agiest their business. So I say £30 or less is not much to pay to effectively get every AmigaOS 1.0 to 3.1 and a load of games and other extras, and to support one of the few remaining Amiga legacy software publishers still going.
Plus another question, why do you need the roms files? If people have a physical Amiga, there is no need for the Kickstart Rom files unless it for emulation.
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So much for respecting other people's property.
Property rights mean nothing to those with a sense of entitlement.
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Release the damn stuff at a fair price so that folk looking for it can easily purchase it and don't give me the crap that you can legally buy it on Amiga Forever, why should someone who has no use for Amiga Forever be forced to purchase that to obtain just the Workbench disks or ROM images... :madashell:
Amiga Forever is a good program and I feel should be supported, ok it not an ideal way of getting roms and workbench disks and can understand your frustration if you are purchasing the programs for just the workbench disks, but would it help to know your supporting a long standing Amiga company, one of the last few Cloanto, you would help them improve their products, that they have actively supported Amiga shows and events in the past, they support amiga based competitions, give there software away to alot of amiga users and user groups for testing and review purchases and they even support the Kickstart replacement effort and other bounty's, which I find really odd as it will go directly agiest their business. So I say £30 or less is not much to pay to effectively get every AmigaOS 1.0 to 3.1 and a load of games and other extras, and to support one of the few remaining Amiga legacy software publishers still going.
Plus another question, why do you need the roms files? If people have a physical Amiga, there is no need for the Kickstart Rom files unless it for emulation.
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Plus another question, why do you need the roms files? If people have a physical Amiga, there is no need for the Kickstart Rom files unless it for emulation.
No one with an Amiga needs to buy Amiga Forever as you say because they can just rip the rom from the machine.
Though for those whose machines refuse to boot anymore it is scandalous to expect them to pay for another copy of the ROM they already own.
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Plus I also forgot they are in a legal battle with Amiga Inc over the Workbench name and you know which company is hoping to get it, so even more reason to support them! :)
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Though for those whose machines refuse to boot anymore it is scandalous to expect them to pay for another copy of the ROM they already own.
Not really, if you had to get you Amiga repaired and running and replace the roms, you wouldn't expect to get the roms free would you? Plus I dont consider £10 scandalous, certainly not for all the roms and software you get. To buy just A1200 3.1 roms on their own cost £17 from Amigakit, so it not that bad, is it?
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The price isn't the point, though - it's the mandatory purchase of other software. Would it kill them to offer the ROM separately for, say, $5?
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I think Franko is highlight here a very good question:
"Who does actually own AMIGA OS?"
I very much doubt that any of the parties claiming to own the OS can legally prove this.
The court case was not a judgment, it was a settlement.
According to Hyperion:
"the rights of Hyperion to the "AmigaOS" trademark are exclusive, nobody but Hyperion can release AmigaOS 5, 6 etc."
The name Amiga OS still exists on amiga.com, which shows that ownership is different than right to develop and distribute.
http://www.amiga.com/sales
"LET'S TALK ABOUT" (snip) "AmigaOS"
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OK, assuming that we by "Amiga OS" mean Hyperion's take of it, the "OS4", then here is the situation after the settlement:
Hyperion has built a house (OS4). They have built it by heavily relying on construction materials that are *loaned* (Amiga OS 3.1), and then they added their own stuff to the construction as well of course.
Well, Hyperion actually acknowledge in the settlement that the loaned bricks and planks (Amiga OS 3.1) used to build the OS4 house are indeed owned by Amiga Inc. And then Amiga Inc acknowledge in the settlement that the house is owned by Hyperion, *except* for the loaned bricks and planks they used to actually build the house, which *are still* owned by Amiga Inc!
Now, who owns the house?
The situation gets even more problematic if you actually consider OS4 to be true derivate work, since there are several unattended ownership/copyright issues surrounding various parts of Amiga OS 3.1.
http://sites.google.com/site/freeamiga/
And there are even third party entities (like Cloanto for example) claimed to be co-authors (hence a stake holder) of Amiga OS 3:
http://tinyurl.com/yj576m7 (Page 3)
"We always had a very good relationship with Commodore, which was bundling our software like
Personal Paint with their computers. In the early 1990s we had also done some operating system improvements, e.g. to
printer drivers and DataTypes, among others. This resulted in our code being included in the 3.1 release. So,
technically (and legally), we are co-authors of 3.1."
http://tinyurl.com/yga8zlp
"Cloanto Italia srl, being the publishers of Amiga Forever and a coauthor
of the operating system, obtained multiple licenses over
different versions and components of these original ROM and
operating system files, as well as over components designed to
provide binary compatibility with the original operating system. This
licensing process began before the initial publication of Amiga Forever
in 1997 (the first operating system distribution licenses date back to
before the 1994 Commodore liquidation, by which time Cloanto
already was both a co-author and a license holder), and continued for
more than 10 years, also resulting in multiple licenses covering the
same items. We felt that this was necessary because of a perceived
lack of clarity over some transactions which involved the ROM and
operating system files, and which at times resulted in controversies
(which however never affected Amiga Forever)."
So they are definitely claiming to be coauthors of the operating system, and Cloanto seems to have their paperwork in order, so they are most definitely able to *prove this*, if should be required.
I think many more like this could exist. William S. Hawes is the author of AREXX, which AFAIK Commodore included in OS 3 without his permission, which Hyperion still does AFAIK. There are others as well. Did anyone bother to ask Haage&Partner about their stance in this issue?
I think it's a valid question to raise: how much is this settlement between Amiga Inc and Hyperion worth at all? Does Amiga Inc even have the right to make deals with Hyperion regarding the IP in the first place? It might work just fine as long as no old stake holder with his documents in order is opposing it? Like a house built of a deck of cards; it might look like a pretty construction as long as it's left alone. But as soon as someone opens the window on a windy day and let the drag in (i.e. when opportunity for real money comes into the equation), it can collapse in an instant!
OK, so this much is established: Hyperion doesn't own it, but has a contract with *the current* IP owner saying they have the right to use it.
But then what happens?
Pluritas ... is currently accepting offers to acquire the worldwide rights to the AMIGA trademarks and associated intellectual property (http://www.benzinga.com/press-releases/10/11/b566868/pluritas-engaged-by-amiga-inc-to-market-the-global-ip-rights-to-the-ico)
Possibly a new IP owner, real money into the equation, etc! Wow...
(http://thumbs.dreamstime.com/thumblarge_278/1213072739076oqQ.jpg)
Anyway, back to biggun's question and the point he made:
"Who does actually own AMIGA OS?"
I very much doubt that any of the parties claiming to own the OS can legally prove this.
I think this is very true!
I think it's a mess...
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@takemehomegrandma
Pluritas ... is currently accepting offers to acquire the worldwide rights to the AMIGA trademarks and associated intellectual property (http://www.benzinga.com/press-releases/10/11/b566868/pluritas-engaged-by-amiga-inc-to-market-the-global-ip-rights-to-the-ico)
This might be the part to focus on.
Imagine you are a bidder. You inquire with Pluritas as to what they are offering.
I should think Pluritas' attorneys would determine ownership before they inform you what you are bidding on, right?
Would this not be the easy way to put some of the mystery of ownership to bed?
Then again, if the response is along the lines of "we really don't know who owns what we're selling", that too would be enlightening.
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Not really, if you had to get you Amiga repaired and running and replace the roms, you wouldn't expect to get the roms free would you? Plus I dont consider £10 scandalous, certainly not for all the roms and software you get. To buy just A1200 3.1 roms on their own cost £17 from Amigakit, so it not that bad, is it?
Downloading them from the net or copying them from a friend is even cheaper and if you already own the physical ROM it is not illegal in any country that I know of.
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Downloading them from the net or copying them from a friend is even cheaper and if you already own the physical ROM it is not illegal in any country that I know of.
Are you sure? Are you a lawyer or are you just guessing?
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Are you sure? Are you a lawyer or are you just guessing?
"that I know of"
May I ask how old you are btw?
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You can look at it differently: 9.99EUR for ROM 1.3 and OS 1.3, 29.99EUR for all ROMs and Workbench versions. And you get a free simulation program with it that you may choose not to use.
greets,
Staf.
You don't get the ROMs at all, you get a file on a DVD/CD that costs 10 pence to produce.
REAL ROMs that need to be manufactured cost less! And Cloanto are scum full stop. No arguments allowed. If you can't see that charging £30 for some files that were on the net for half a decade, 2 seconds of encryption and a FREE Windows emulator written by someone STUPID enough to allow Cloanto to sell it is a rip-off then you're an idiot :)
When Cloanto finance £99 040 accelerator card production or £299 Natami mass production I will have respect for them...until then I have more respect for what my bran flakes produce at the bottom of the toilet bowl when I get up in the morning :roflmao:
Far far superior Amiga DVDs are produced which cram 20gb of games, magazines, MP3 tunes and cover art all on ONE DVD exist. F**K Cloanto and their sheep brained followers lining their filthy pockets
*flame proof jacket on and zipped up*
You may now commence to call me a pirate and what not in your pathetic defence of this scumbag scam called 'Amiga Forever' now
edit: Oh and C64 Forever is an even bigger scam, highly illegal in games included aspect and even more of a rip-off. Almost forgot that giant smelly turd brother to Amiga Forever whoops
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You don't get the ROMs at all, you get a file on a DVD/CD that costs 10 pence to produce.
REAL ROMs that need to be manufactured cost less! And Cloanto are scum full stop. No arguments allowed. If you can't see that charging £30 for some files that were on the net for half a decade, 2 seconds of encryption and a FREE Windows emulator written by someone STUPID enough to allow Cloanto to sell it is a rip-off then you're an idiot :)
When Cloanto finance £99 040 accelerator card production or £299 Natami mass production I will have respect for them...until then I have more respect for what my bran flakes produce at the bottom of the toilet bowl when I get up in the morning :roflmao:
Far far superior Amiga DVDs are produced which cram 20gb of games, magazines, MP3 tunes and cover art all on ONE DVD exist. F**K Cloanto and their sheep brained followers lining their filthy pockets
*flame proof jacket on and zipped up*
You may now commence to call me a pirate and what not in your pathetic defence of this scumbag scam called 'Amiga Forever' now
edit: Oh and C64 Forever is an even bigger scam, highly illegal in games included aspect and even more of a rip-off. Almost forgot that giant smelly turd brother to Amiga Forever whoops
Time of the month or summat?
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Are you sure? Are you a lawyer or are you just guessing?
If you own said Amiga and have the ROM and don't download that identical version of Kickstart via torrent* it is no different to creating the Kickstart rom file using a real Amiga and a program to read out the contents of your own machine's ROM to a file to use with WinUAE.
No different to ripping a CD track to MP3 to play on your media player vs downloading identical music track in MP3 format saving you the effort of ripping it yourself.
(*if you download via a torrent you are technically partially seeding the file helping others download who don't own an Amiga for a few milliseconds potentially...other than that there is no legal issue)
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Time of the month or summat?
Nope just the truth mate. People purchasing Amiga Forever however may well be on the time of the month/odd lunar cycle :roflmao:
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May I ask how old you are btw?
I'm 26 years old. Not sure what you are implying though...
As for your "that i know of" you have been defiant about Amigan laws and rights so i was assuming your statement was meant as fact. I'm sorry but i don't think "that i know of" was meant as modesty but as fact. It's not what words you use it's how you use them.
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I'm 26 years old. Not sure what you are implying though...
As for your "that i know of" you have been defiant about Amigan laws and rights so i was assuming your statement was meant as fact. I'm sorry but i don't think "that i know of" was meant as modesty but as fact. It's not what words you use it's how you use them.
What are "Amigan laws"?
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What are "Amigan laws"?
All laws relevant to the Amiga brand. For example: who owns Amiga? who owns AOS4? CommodoreUSA, etc, etc
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wow, I just don't understand the Cloanto hate AT ALL!!!
I have given my hard earned money to purchase Amiga Forever and am a happy costumer. It is a mature product that updates files, comes with historic videos, pictures etc. and various Amiga configurations that I can try all or some. It's not "just" roms.
and I get treated very respectfully. what the heck is wrong with some people??
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All laws relevant to the Amiga brand. For example: who owns Amiga? who owns AOS4? CommodoreUSA, etc, etc
I own both the names Commodore and Amiga, I also own the company Commodore Amiga.
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Wowsers... :eek:
What's with the sudden the sudden let's attack or support Cloanto malarky in this thread... :confused:
Must be because the "they that shall not be named" threads have disappeared off the front page... :biglaugh:
Personally I've got nowt against Cloanto, as they seem quite happy to "give away" along with their products old games (even though they do claim that they have permission to do so) so to me Cloanto and their "Amiga/ C64 Forever" products are just encouraging people to find old games/apps online to use... :)
Lets face it and be honest here, how many folks who bought Amiga Forever to use on a PC had kept all their original (or even owned in the first place) games and then cracked/converted them to ADFs to use with Amiga Forever on their PC, not many I'd reckon... :)
Basically Cloantos "Forever" products just encourages folk to find old game or apps from all those online sites where you can either download them for free or worse pay these sites a fee for x amount or unlimited downloads and yet oddly I don't hear the copyright mafia screaming blue murder about Cloanto encouraging the use of old & still copyrighted software that can really only be obtained in such "illegal" ways these days... :rolleyes:
Amiga ROM images don't need "Amiga Forever" or a PC to use them, for example folks with real Amiga Hardware can use ROM images in the likes of BlizKick to name but one... :)
Me I just give them away totally free and in fact it costs me money to run the site, so who's really the baddie here... :)
(PS: I do own Cloantos Amiga Forever which I bough a few years ago and have had no use for it, not even the ROM images and why do they encode the ROM images on their CDs ")
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If you would please, and ask him where that barrel of oil is he promised me for certain favours I did when he MP for Glasgow Hillhead district... ;)
oh dear dare l say " has he got you over a barrell
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(PS: I do own Cloantos Amiga Forever which I bough a few years ago and have had no use for it, not even the ROM images and why do they encode the ROM images on their CDs ")
I can't say exactley why Cloanto encodes the ROM images, but my guess is that it was done to appease someone who claimed to own rights to the ROMs.
It might be worth asking Cloanto, who knows, they might answer.
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@ actung_bab
I think it's an empty barrel, still one day old gorgeous George may just "Roll out the Barrel"... :)
@ AmigaEd
Not sure meself, but to be honest I don't know where all this Cloanto stuff has sprung up from, maybe it's the next big thing round here thread after thread about Cloanto and perhaps Red could do another in depth report/visit to their HQ (just need to make sure they don't slip him some more "Coke" this time...) :)
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I own both the names Commodore and Amiga, I also own the company Commodore Amiga.
Sorry nicholas - you don't own Commodore or Amiga. Are you really that arrogant?
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Sorry nicholas - you don't own Commodore or Amiga. Are you really that arrogant?
As far as I'm concerned, any one of us has a more legitimate claim to the names than a company that licensed them from a scavenger, which got them from a scavenger, etc.
Though at least Cloanto is using it for something actually Amiga-related, and that's more than you can say for some licensees...
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wow, I just don't understand the Cloanto hate AT ALL!!!
I have given my hard earned money to purchase Amiga Forever and am a happy costumer. It is a mature product that updates files, comes with historic videos, pictures etc. and various Amiga configurations that I can try all or some. It's not "just" roms.
and I get treated very respectfully. what the heck is wrong with some people??
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Lets face it and be honest here, how many folks who bought Amiga Forever to use on a PC had kept all their original (or even owned in the first place) games and then cracked/converted them to ADFs to use with Amiga Forever on their PC, not many I'd reckon... :)
Ok I would support you on that part of it, if the Roms and Workbench where not legally for sale any where then I would support and understand you position. Simple fact they are.
If you really want the Kickstart to be free and open you should support the Kickstart Replacement effort, like Cloanto have. http://www.power2people.org/projects/profile/6
Me I just give them away totally free and in fact it costs me money to run the site, so who's really the baddie here...
Do you intend to support Amiga shows, put money towards bounty's and help further develop Amiga emulation? With money Cloanto raise that is what they do. You may not think your doing anything wrong and provide a service that a lot of other people already provide, but I like Amiga Forever and its program and hope it continues to be developed, your efforts only hurt them efforts by cloanto.
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@takemehomegrandma
Pluritas ... is currently accepting offers to acquire the worldwide rights to the AMIGA trademarks and associated intellectual property (http://www.benzinga.com/press-releases/10/11/b566868/pluritas-engaged-by-amiga-inc-to-market-the-global-ip-rights-to-the-ico)
This might be the part to focus on.
Imagine you are a bidder. You inquire with Pluritas as to what they are offering.
I should think Pluritas' attorneys would determine ownership before they inform you what you are bidding on, right?
Would this not be the easy way to put some of the mystery of ownership to bed?
Then again, if the response is along the lines of "we really don't know who owns what we're selling", that too would be enlightening.
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Of course the attorneys will present one clear ownership situation to a potential buyer, but the essence of my post was that views of the ownership situation *may vary*, that there are *many equally valid* paper traces to follow, and that the ownership can be challenged (in part or in whole) as soon as it becomes worth the hassle.
Like biggun said above, I simply don't think it's possible for *any* IP stakeholder to fully prove his ownership in Amiga OS.
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wow, I just don't understand the Cloanto hate AT ALL!!!
I have given my hard earned money to purchase Amiga Forever and am a happy costumer. It is a mature product that updates files, comes with historic videos, pictures etc. and various Amiga configurations that I can try all or some. It's not "just" roms.
and I get treated very respectfully. what the heck is wrong with some people??
Cloanto is a very good company. I have bought both Personal Paint and two versions of Amiga Forever from them. Solid products, well worth supporting! :)
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Must be because the "they that shall not be named" threads have disappeared off the front page... :biglaugh:
You know that you are the dubbed king of keeping "the 'they that shall not be named' threads" on the front page, right?
:)
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Ok I would support your on that part of it, if the Roms and Workbench where not legally for sale any where then I would support and understand you position. Simple fact they are.
What I don't like is the part where they (or their minions) prevent updated ROM images from being distributed, or prevent people from selling updated kickstart chips (like Cosmos want to do), and I also question their legal rights to distribute modified and updated ROM images themselves (the 3.X) kickstart.
As for AmigaForever, the value of that package is really not in the kickstarts and OS images, but in all the extras, videos etc. I never used any of the software on those DVDs/CDs.
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Franko where is this big plan of yours that's supposedly going on behind the scenes? :confused:
You can't declare war like that and not back it up :rtfm:
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Sorry nicholas - you don't own Commodore or Amiga. Are you really that arrogant?
Wrong, I do own Commodore Amiga.
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Though for those whose machines refuse to boot anymore it is scandalous to expect them to pay for another copy of the ROM they already own.
The world is a mean, nasty place innit? People in that situation could still get a chip reader and dump the rom, which would probably cost them more than AF + ROMS would cost.
Perhaps said people should save their money and buy some cement to eat so they can harden the f*** up.
Amigans have always been known as tight arses. Make something for them and they'll either bitch that its too expensive or just copy it.
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I own both the names Commodore and Amiga, I also own the company Commodore Amiga.
Excellent.
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Wrong, I do own Commodore Amiga.
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Excellent.
Unlike certain other companies with similar names to ours we will only make product announcements when our products are ready to ship.
Crazy eh? :)
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Have to agree. I have bought several products from cloanto and they are a great company all round.
Franko has some master plan? is that to annoy as many people as possible.
If I am 100% honest I don't see Franko's participation on Amiga.org as beneficial in anyway shape or form.
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Unlike certain other companies with similar names to ours we will only make product announcements when our products are ready to ship.
Crazy eh? :)
Crap, I did it wrong. I produced and shipped a product but forgot to make an announcement, I sold my first A200 a few days ago!
(http://cbmvax.com/jungle/a200.jpg)
I guess this means I've matched C=USA for sales, and more than beaten them in the profit department!
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Ok I would support you on that part of it, if the Roms and Workbench where not legally for sale any where then I would support and understand you position. Simple fact they are.
If you really want the Kickstart to be free and open you should support the Kickstart Replacement effort, like Cloanto have. http://www.power2people.org/projects/profile/6
Do you intend to support Amiga shows, put money towards bounty's and help further develop Amiga emulation? With money Cloanto raise that is what they do. You may not think your doing anything wrong and provide a service that a lot of other people already provide, but I like Amiga Forever and its program and hope it continues to be developed, your efforts only hurt them efforts by cloanto.
Why would I support Amiga Shows, there hasn't been in my neck of the woods for at least 15 years ???
Why would I support Amiga Emulation I don't use it and never will ???
You may like Amiga Forever but to me it's a program for PCs and I have no interest in PCs whatsoever, I've got nothing against Cloanto I bought and paid for PPaint a long, long time ago and I've even bought Amiga Forever about 2 years back when I was considering actually buying a PC until I came to my senses... :)
Don't understand why you would think I personally would support such things, obviously you have never actually read any of my posts before or you would have known this by now... :)
As for supporting things I did say in a thread quite a while back that I would be willing to support the NatAmi project but it seems that the NatAmi team did not need financial support... :)
On the question of support why do you not help to support Amiga.org yourself by paying for a membership, I mean you use it often enough to post your views so the least you could do is help support them... ;)
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You know that you are the dubbed king of keeping "the 'they that shall not be named' threads" on the front page, right?
:)
Bow before your mighty king... peasant... :)
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Franko where is this big plan of yours that's supposedly going on behind the scenes? :confused:
You can't declare war like that and not back it up :rtfm:
Nothing "supposed" about it...
For several days now there has been a hell of a lot going on behind the scenes and it's not good strategy to release your battle plans to the enemy is it... :)
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Have to agree. I have bought several products from cloanto and they are a great company all round.
Franko has some master plan? is that to annoy as many people as possible.
If I am 100% honest I don't see Franko's participation on Amiga.org as beneficial in anyway shape or form.
Tough S&!t Mr Hypocrite, what you think of me doesn't matter one wee bit... :)
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Don't see how not liking you makes me a hypocrite ? Please explain
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Don't see how not liking you makes me a hypocrite ? Please explain
I never said you not liking me made you a hypocrite, I call you a hypocrite based on these posts and the fact that you seem to respond to me personally in a lot of yours posts !!!
and now you suddenly claim ...
If I am 100% honest I don't see Franko's participation on Amiga.org as beneficial in anyway shape or form.
I refer you to these posts... :)
http://www.amiga.org/forums/showpost.php?p=610104&postcount=15
http://www.amiga.org/forums/showpost.php?p=610713&postcount=79
http://www.amiga.org/forums/showpost.php?p=576352&postcount=6
Now if that's not being a hypocrite then gawd knows what is... ;)
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Why would I support Amiga Shows, there hasn't been in my neck of the woods for at least 15 years ???
Why would I support Amiga Emulation I don't use it and never will ???
You may like Amiga Forever but to me it's a program for PCs and I have no interest in PCs whatsoever, I've got nothing against Cloanto I bought and paid for PPaint a long, long time ago and I've even bought Amiga Forever about 2 years back when I was considering actually buying a PC until I came to my senses... :)
What I was trying to point out is that Cloanto is only able to support Amiga Shows, Amiga related bountys, Amiga Users, and future develop their software through sales of Amiga Forever and it roms, if your offering them for free, how do you expect them to contiue to support such areas?
On the question of support why do you not help to support Amiga.org yourself by paying for a membership, I mean you use it often enough to post your views so the least you could do is help support them..
Why, when the web site free, unlike the Roms. :)
I do like amiga,org and if it ever really needed money to say online I might help it out, and I have donated to a few bounty and bought a lot of games and attended a few amiga shows, hope to run amiga web site soon myself (out of my own money) and run a you tube account and planning to get an OS4 machine this year so I believe I support the Amiga community quite well thank you.
PS: Franko I dont want to get into a war with you over this, I do understand what you are saying, maybe you should ask Cloanto on if there could be somekind of soultion for users who just want to buy the Roms the workbench disks, but I think £30 is not much to ask for every AmigaOS from 1.0 to 3.0 and all the other extras your getting, you must of thought this your self at one point to buy Amiga Forever.
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I just sharted alittle.
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What I was trying to point out is that Cloanto is only able to support Amiga Shows, Amiga related bountys, Amiga Users, and future develop their software through sales of Amiga Forever and it roms, if your offering them for free, how do you expect them to contiue to support such areas?
Why, when the web site free, unlike the Roms. :)
I do like amiga,org and if it ever really needed money to say online I might help it out, and I have donated to a few bounty and bought a lot of games and attended a few amiga shows, hope to run amiga web site soon myself (out of my own money) and run a you tube account and planning to get an OS4 machine this year so I believe I support the Amiga community quite well thank you.
If Amiga.org did not need any monetary help from it's users then what would be the point in them asking for a very reasonable fee to have a full membership, or for them to have a section for folk to donate money towards maintaining the site ???
So instead of claiming you support the Amiga community put your money where your mouth is and either donate or pay for a full membership, as I say you do use it very regularly... :)
In the past 25 years I have bought countless Amiga games and attended some shows, but as there hasn't been a show anywhere near where I live for at least 15 years then why would I choose to pay to support shows that I cannot attend ???
You don't have to pay for a YouTube account so what does that have to do with anything ???
And what does you buying an "OS4 machine" have to do with supporting the Amiga Community ???
You really have some strange ways of looking at things... :)
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just encase you missed it
Why, when the web site free, unlike the Roms :)
your very cleverly moving off topic, you can say I dont support the Amiga community, I dont care, but I dont hurt company by making Roms free, this is all I'm saying. This is my last post on the matter because I dont want to get into a long drawn out debate, and I half agree with what your saying. So it been fun, but I wont post again in this topic any way I know when to quit before we get into name calling territory and saying he started, I started etc etc, I see too many threads like that on here already.
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PS: Franko I dont want to get into a war with you over this, I do understand what you are saying, maybe you should ask Cloanto on if there could be somekind of soultion for users who just want to buy the Roms the workbench disks, but I think £30 is not much to ask for every AmigaOS from 1.0 to 3.0 and all the other extras your getting, you must of thought this your self at one point to buy Amiga Forever.
Never said I wanted a war either, just logged in this morning only to find all these crazy posts about Cloanto (who I don't have anything against)... :)
The only reason I bought Amiga Forever a couple of years ago was because family and friends had been going on at me for years to ditch my Amigas and buy a "real computer" (ie:a PC) as they call them.
So I bought Amiga Forever to test out on my sisters PC first and didn't like it and it's been lying in a cupboard ever since... :)
But I still don't agree with having to buy "Amiga Forever" just to get hold of some rom images, it's not the price or the fact that you gets DVDs with it, it's the simple case that the rom images if they are to be sold should be available individually and not bundled with stuff I don't want or require so Cloanto can try and justify the price... :)
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just encase you missed it
Why, when the web site free, unlike the Roms :)
Sorry can't make that out, think my eyesight must be failing... :)
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Didn't your Mother tell you it would make you go blind?
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But I still don't agree with having to buy "Amiga Forever" just to get hold of some rom images, it's not the price or the fact that you gets DVDs with it, it's the simple case that the rom images if they are to be sold should be available individually and not bundled with stuff I don't want or require so Cloanto can try and justify the price... :)
Too bad. You don't own it and therefore it's not your call to make. If it wasn't for property rights nobody would have ever developed the Amiga hardware or written the operating system in the first place.
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I never said you not liking me made you a hypocrite, I call you a hypocrite based on these posts and the fact that you seem to respond to me personally in a lot of yours posts !!!
and now you suddenly claim ...
I refer you to these posts... :)
http://www.amiga.org/forums/showpost.php?p=610104&postcount=15
http://www.amiga.org/forums/showpost.php?p=610713&postcount=79
http://www.amiga.org/forums/showpost.php?p=576352&postcount=6
Now if that's not being a hypocrite then gawd knows what is... ;)
Eh, what has my views on CUSA got to do with anything. I have an opinion I have voiced, I have not made it some crusade, but I must be some sort of fucktard but I don't get how that make me hypocrite. Can you please explain it to a thicky.
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Eh, what has my views on CUSA got to do with anything. I have an opinion I have voiced, I have not made it some crusade, but I must be some sort of fucktard but I don't get how that make me hypocrite. Can you please explain it to a thicky.
You said it, not me... :)
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Well that still does not expalin anything
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Well that still does not expalin anything
Well as you seem so desperate for an explanation of why I used the term "hypocrite" let me explain in simple terms as you obviously can't understand your own posts... :)
In one post you said about CUSA...
The whole thing stinks and their business practices( if you want to call them that) are laughable.
I have never said this before, and its nothing to do with the commodore name as it hold no attachement to me, I hope this business fails so bad.
are you with me so far... :)
then in a later post about the X1000 you said...
No, why would anyone want to fail at something especially if its their passion and they stand to loose money.
You would have to be some sort of prick to wish that
Still following, not too confusing is it... :)
Now if you can't see the hypocrisy in your own statements, then perhaps your other comment may be accurate... :)
but I must be some sort of fucktard
Ok JJ, I get the fact you don't like me but your opinion on me counts for nothing, so why do you even bother to respond to my posts, gotta be honest I find most of your post rather amusing especially when they're of the type shown above... :)
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Ok fair play caught me out there. Not so much hypocritical more of a changable opinion. Sometimes get caught up in the moment.
I don't think I dislike you as a person, how could I, I don't know you. I just feel that you seem to rather find the fault in thins rather than the joy.
You are correct my opinion of you does not count for anything.
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And what does you buying an "OS4 machine" have to do with supporting the Amiga Community ???
Franko, you'll find that many OS4 supporters treat Hyperion and Co. as a charity. There are even some out there who don't have the hardware to run OS4 but they still buy the software. They also actually believe that OS4 *is the Amiga*, and therefore by supporting the OS4 charity they are somehow supporting the Amiga.
I know, it's pretty screwy, but that's just how it is.
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Franko, you'll find that many OS4 supporters treat Hyperion and Co. as a charity. There are even some out there who don't have the hardware to run OS4 but they still buy the software. They also actually believe that OS4 *is the Amiga*, and therefore by supporting the OS4 charity they are somehow supporting the Amiga.
I know, it's pretty screwy, but that's just how it is.
I'd kinda gathered that about certain folk & OS4, but then again the same can be said about all things in the twilight zone we call the Amiga Community... :)
To be honest I don't think there is one solitary person (myself included) in the Amiga Community who would stand a chance of being declared normal or sane if their freedom from a padded cell depended on it... :)
But I reckon that's what make the whole Amiga thing special, we're all stark raving mad... :)
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Franko, you'll find that many OS4 supporters treat Hyperion and Co. as a charity. There are even some out there who don't have the hardware to run OS4 but they still buy the software. They also actually believe that OS4 *is the Amiga*, and therefore by supporting the OS4 charity they are somehow supporting the Amiga.
I know, it's pretty screwy, but that's just how it is.
While there is truth is what you say, there is little difference between how OS4 users look at Hyperion vs how supporters of the other amiga/amigalike options look at the ones they support.
I gather you single out Hyperion because some of the other options have no official management/company behind them?
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:roflmao: ok, that's funny
to get back to my point, I bought AmigaForever to use IFX and then bought Hollywood. I have no interest in games. I did buy Deluxe Paint and Digi Paint many many years ago and would love to use them but at the moment have no way to access my old floppies.
(I did get access to DP files, however).
And there's nothing wrong with emulation. I was originally attracted to it when I realized I could use WinUAE on a laptop making my Amiga files portable. I also make my PC laptop multiboot so I have Windows, Linux AND Amiga emulation on ONE machine.
I consider that very clever. :)
But I need Windows ONLY for AfterEffects and the fact that I can also use it for Amiga emulation is a GOOD thing.
being flexible is a sign of Intelligence, by the way :banana::angel:
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While there is truth is what you say, there is little difference between how OS4 users look at Hyperion vs how supporters of the other amiga/amigalike options look at the ones they support.
I gather you single out Hyperion because some of the other options have no official management/company behind them?
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Well, for AROS that's true enough. I'm aware of a few AROS users who seem to also consider AROS "the Amiga", though they seem to be tongue in cheek about it. MorphOS seems to be about doing the MorphOS thing, I can only think of one person who seems to think MOS is "the Amiga", it's even in his signature, and the management behind MOS doesn't promote it as "the Amiga". UAE, MiniMig, and Natami - supporting these means supporting real Amiga software, so in a sense with those two systems you ARE supporting the Amiga.
It's only because Hyperion was so anxious to get the Holy Name that they have so many who think that supporting OS4 means supporting Amiga. I'm pretty sure if you ask any AROS or MOS user if they think they're OS of choice is the actual Amiga, most will admit it's merely Amiga-like.
I wonder what will happen when CUSA is added to the mix?
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:roflmao: ok, that's funny
to get back to my point, I bought AmigaForever to use IFX and then bought Hollywood. I have no interest in games. I did buy Deluxe Paint and Digi Paint many many years ago and would love to use them but at the moment have no way to access my old floppies.
(I did get access to DP files, however).
And there's nothing wrong with emulation. I was originally attracted to it when I realized I could use WinUAE on a laptop making my Amiga files portable. I also make my PC laptop multiboot so I have Windows, Linux AND Amiga emulation on ONE machine.
I consider that very clever. :)
But I need Windows ONLY for AfterEffects and the fact that I can also use it for Amiga emulation is a GOOD thing.
being flexible is a sign of Intelligence, by the way :banana::angel:
Amusing as if I find all this stuff, I've just taken delivery of a nice Blizzard030 64Mb Ram 50Mhz & FPU @ 50Mhz, so I'm off now to try it out... :)
I'll just leave you all with this for the time being, until I return once again with me big wooden spoon... :)
[youtube]Cml_YsTznRU[/youtube]
(PS:Never wanted to be intelligent and I'm quite happy being a bamstick, thank you... :))
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Well, apart from all the butthurt that happens here on Amiga.org (which for the most part I chalk up to the general lack of sarcasm awareness or thick skin amongst the english as second or third or fourth language crowd), for the most part I am humored by the railings for or against some issue that was decided years ago. I will be straight up honest - every piece of software on my amigas is pirated. 100%. the original owner should have wiped his drive as I never paid for any of the software on it. I can't be sure that even he did. You point me to a company manufacturing original 3.1 workbench disks and who can demonstrate that they hold intellectual rights to the contents 100% and I'll buy them. Hell, I can't even be sure the 3.1 ROMS I purchased off ebay from some dude in California are even legit - they have some laserprinted sticker on them that anyone could have made and slapped on roms that anyone could have burned. They work it seems, but there is the possibility that dude burned them himself and sold them "illegally." Tell me who I am financially impacting by my piracy and I will cut an apology letter post haste. This is without even touching the whole WHDload games issues. There are some software people I plan to support (a WHDload license; possibly turboprint, assuming I can get the version I "acquired" to demonstrate some usefulness; MorphOS, because I like the look of some mac hardware), and some hardware (NATAMI!! ZORam, Indivision, Deneb for sure...possibly mediator). As for all the rest? I'm sorry, but I would simply be unable to use an amiga today for anything but a desk weight if it wasn't for "abandonware" and "piracy." And if you are truly honest to yourself, there isn't ONE PERSON on this board who stands in lily white purity. Ergo, every time you open your hole to rail against piracy you may as well slap your own face with your own hypocrite hand.
EDIT: To be more specific, this is not directed at Cloanto or AOS4 (had to put that in, because I really don't want assaulted for suggesting that some time in the future I may or may not purchase a MorphOS license). I'm sure AmigaForever is a cool product. And AOS 4 looks like a cool OS as well. Also, not directed at any specific person, as you are all wonderful and special in your own way. Also, no kittens were harmed during this posting...at least not by me or anyone in my vicinity.
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Well, for AROS that's true enough. I'm aware of a few AROS users who seem to also consider AROS "the Amiga", though they seem to be tongue in cheek about it. MorphOS seems to be about doing the MorphOS thing, I can only think of one person who seems to think MOS is "the Amiga", it's even in his signature, and the management behind MOS doesn't promote it as "the Amiga". UAE, MiniMig, and Natami - supporting these means supporting real Amiga software, so in a sense with those two systems you ARE supporting the Amiga.
It's only because Hyperion was so anxious to get the Holy Name that they have so many who think that supporting OS4 means supporting Amiga. I'm pretty sure if you ask any AROS or MOS user if they think they're OS of choice is the actual Amiga, most will admit it's merely Amiga-like.
I wonder what will happen when CUSA is added to the mix?
Agree with most of what you say. I think MorphOS is quite satisfied with -not- being embroiled in any of the shenanigans and legal affairs surrounding trademarks and such. They've made that quite clear.
I understand what you say about C=USA, but I'm still more interested atm, in following what comes of the Pluritas venture.
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