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Title: Very impressvive :-)
Post by: Karlos on December 14, 2003, 02:38:24 AM
Well, I finally got to see OS4 running on some genuine A1 kit today at the Bath show. Arrived a little late due to my lax navigation, but it was worth it in the end.
I had some high expectations, and well..It's nice not to be dissapointed ;-) Not exactly perfection yet, but certianly heading in the right direction.

Good work Hyperion, keep it up!
Title: Re: Very impressvive :-)
Post by: x56h34 on December 14, 2003, 02:49:16 AM
That's some good news, Karlos.

Any more details as to what was impressive and what still needs work?
Title: Re: Very impressvive :-)
Post by: Linchpin on December 14, 2003, 02:52:41 AM
Saw OS4 at the micromart fare... SwEEeEeEET!!
Title: Re: Very impressvive :-)
Post by: Wolfe on December 14, 2003, 02:59:59 AM
What about the MicroA1?
Title: Re: Very impressvive :-)
Post by: Karlos on December 14, 2003, 03:13:05 AM
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x56h34 wrote:
That's some good news, Karlos.

Any more details as to what was impressive and what still needs work?


From what I saw demonstrated, it seemed that only the graphics.library is slowing it down. Specifically gui redraw - not window moving etc, just actual gadget redraw. It is still mostly emulated 68K at this moment, once fully PPC native I expect that to change ;-).

However, you can take it from me that irrespective of that, it seems very responsive indeed. As long as you arent always solid resizing gui windows, its fine. I dunno who mentioned window moving being slow, but it was better than my PC for that :lol:

Apparently the IDE drivers are still unfinished too, but it didn't exactly seem to impact too badly - certianly booted up fast.

Quake 2 was busy showing the new OS4 native warp3d implementation, which was very fluid. Even old quake 1 using software rasterizer was, I am annoyed to confess, much smoother than GLQuakeWOS on my BlizzPPC/BVision in the same resolution.

All in all, a nice foreataste :-)
Title: Re: Very impressvive :-)
Post by: x56h34 on December 14, 2003, 06:46:20 AM
@Karlos:

Good report! Thanks. :-)(http://amiga.org/images/subject/icon14.gif)
Title: Re: Very impressvive :-)
Post by: Rogue on December 14, 2003, 11:45:03 AM
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it seemed that only the graphics.library is slowing it down.


Well, the current state of affairs is that graphics is PPC native now (largely) but not being used as-is because Picasso96 isn't, yet. That's going to be tackled in the coming week.

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Apparently the IDE drivers are still unfinished too, but it didn't exactly seem to impact too badly - certianly booted up fast.


Well, the IDE drivers are rather slow at the moment. It shows when running disk-intensive things like the C compiler. Full UDMA drivers are in the works.
Title: Re: Very impressvive :-)
Post by: mikeymike on December 14, 2003, 11:47:41 AM
@ Karlos

What else was demo'd with OS4?
Title: Re: Very impressvive :-)
Post by: ikir on December 14, 2003, 12:29:43 PM
Quake2 in opengl in a window kick ass! :-o

@ x56h34

Very nice Amy specs: Amiga Mirage 4000 Pro Tower! Impressive! Congratulations!
Title: Re: Very impressvive :-)
Post by: hnl_dk on December 14, 2003, 12:55:21 PM
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Rogue wrote:
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it seemed that only the graphics.library is slowing it down.


Well, the current state of affairs is that graphics is PPC native now (largely) but not being used as-is because Picasso96 isn't, yet. That's going to be tackled in the coming week.

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Apparently the IDE drivers are still unfinished too, but it didn't exactly seem to impact too badly - certianly booted up fast.


Well, the IDE drivers are rather slow at the moment. It shows when running disk-intensive things like the C compiler. Full UDMA drivers are in the works.


Nice to hear :-D
Title: Re: Very impressvive :-)
Post by: BADHead on December 14, 2003, 03:14:42 PM
i wanted to go but had to goto work  :-( .My AOne is just gathering dust in a corner waiting waiting & waiting for OS4  :-(
Title: Re: Very impressvive :-)
Post by: Magic-Merl on December 14, 2003, 04:30:10 PM
Sounds to me like AOS 4  development is going backwards.

Yes it's being demo'd that's good.  But it still sounds like it's some way from being complete.

Was there any indication of a time frame when we can all go and buy it.  Come on, get real.  We've been waiting alot of years and demo's show nothing more than good intentions, that isn't good enough anymore.
Title: Re: Very impressvive :-)
Post by: alx on December 14, 2003, 04:43:53 PM
@Karlos

Sounds great - shame I couldn't make it :-)

@Magic-Merl

Check you're PM ;-)
Title: Re: Very impressvive :-)
Post by: bloodline on December 14, 2003, 06:09:48 PM
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Magic-Merl wrote:
Sounds to me like AOS 4  development is going backwards.

Yes it's being demo'd that's good.  But it still sounds like it's some way from being complete.

Was there any indication of a time frame when we can all go and buy it.  Come on, get real.  We've been waiting alot of years and demo's show nothing more than good intentions, that isn't good enough anymore.


I know it seems frustratingly slow, but remember that Operating systems do take a long time to make (especially from scratch) and even longer to test...

I suppose all one can say is that the best things come to those who wait :-) If you are patient you can get to use the operating system of your choice. As far as OS4 is concerned, these demos are a very positive step.
Title: Re: Very impressvive :-)
Post by: elendil on December 14, 2003, 06:16:36 PM
What? A post about an operating system with no mention of AROS?!

I hope you get well soon, Bloodline :)

Sincerely,

-Kenneth Straarup.
Title: Re: Very impressvive :-)
Post by: Karlos on December 14, 2003, 06:20:54 PM
Hi,

I arrived a little late, Alan Redhouse was giving a presentation at that point, but the room was packed and I couldn't get a look in :-) So whilst that was going on, I had a wander and saw what was going on with the machines on display.

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mikeymike wrote:
What else was demo'd with OS4?


As for software, I saw photogenics (v4 I think) running nicely under emulation and various system tools and so on working away.

Some people just wanted to mess about with the preferences to see how garish they can make the GUI look. And indeed you can make it very garish :lol: However, the basic theme looks very nice and clean.

I bumped into one feller who wasn't an amigan, but clearly a linux/other-alternative-os fan.

It was pretty funny, I asked what his background was (after he announced he wasn't actually an amiga user) and he took it all the wrong way explaining his considerable computing / mathematical qualifications as his hackles rose...

Then I said 'er, I mean't which platform?'

After he realised I wasn't attepmting to insult him, we had an interesting chat :-) He was quite heavily into the notion of a static 680x0 to PPC binary converter, ie translate once. That wandered off onto a strange meandering debate as to the (un)feasability of it...
Title: Re: Very impressvive :-)
Post by: bloodline on December 14, 2003, 06:37:31 PM
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elendil wrote:
What? A post about an operating system with no mention of AROS?!

I hope you get well soon, Bloodline :)

Sincerely,

-Kenneth Straarup.


ooh err... Feel dizzy...  :crazy: Of course if you are impatent for OS4 and have a PC then why not DL AROS and give it a quick spin ;-) It's not finished either, but it is fun.